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[iguanaiguana]

Hey RR. If Jan flips town, who do you think looks the worst from the reveal and subsequent interactions?  What about if he flips scum?

If he flips town I think I look the worst lol. No, I look the second worse, behind Seprix.

I haven't given much thought to eho looks bad if he flips scum. Teamlyle looks good, Seprix looks okay, Faust looks slighty scummy I suppose.

But I'll be able to answer these questions tomorrow. Right? Right?

not if you die!

[silverspawn]

Actually, that was me. Hi.

You also did it, but for you it's not scummy.

[faust]

So here is the thing.

gkrieg probably went at this RMM by coming up with a lot of unique roles. Just give town a lot of  unique roles and compensate some way and try to make it balanced. Maybe a double ability theme.

But if you do that, then it's not a stretch to give a redirecting to scum. On the other hand even if both(?) factions have a redirecting, it's still solid evidence because it increases his chance to be scum to 50%.

He could also be a SK or something.

So... there is really nothing conclusive we can get from that. At least I can't.

Although I do dislike the way faust handled the claim. Instead of trying to figure out details, his reaction was to go after Seprix for his reaction, which I didn't even find scummy. let's vote: faust

I may be OMGUSing a bit, but this just reads super-fake. I don't buy that you get nothing from the whole RR/Jan situation, I don't. There we have two confirmed redirective roles (RR has it now that he targeted Jan), and you're simply willing to let that slide, making every action we take tonight have questionable results? And we don't play "outguess the mod". It mostly ends badly.

I don't know what kind of "details" I did presumably not try to figure out. You mean the claims you forced? Everything that Jan and RR said was already posted, except the Future sight thingy, and that would be the one that would best be kept hidden. So I posit that you asking for "details" was actually an anti-town move. I, on the other hand, asked for a flavor claim, which helped a lot more because it helped me figure out whether his power lines up with the flavor (it does). I also asked for clarification on whether self-targeting is possible as that was relevant information to determine whether we can afford to let scum!redirectors live (they can self-target though, so we should not let them live).

I meant to vote for Jan a while ago (I think I even posted something to that extent), but did not want a quickhammer. And you find me scummy for what, disagreeing with you? Come on, you can do better than that.

[faust]

Because one is a mechanical reason and one is a content reason. If I vote for Jan than he has nothing to defend himself for, since he is either mafia or happened to be unlucky. So I'd move on with the game, and at the end of the day we can decide if whatever cases are around then are better than the Jan thing. If not, we can still lynch him.

It is the end of the day. Deadline is Sunday, so we have only a weekend left; you know how weekends tend to go. Also I am VLA playing Empires all of Saturday and most of Sunday, so don't expect much from me after tonight.

[faust]

Thus, it is time to Vote: Jan.

I would also point out that his reaction didn't feel genuine and that I cannot begin to understand why he, as town, would choose to reveal his Future Sight ability.

[faust]

Scum team is silver/Jan/Seprix. Easy.

[iguanaiguana]

Roadrunner, do something heroic for once and hammer the scum! Sacrifice yourself!!!!

[iguanaiguana]

I BELIEVE IN YOU

[silverspawn]

I don't know what kind of "details" I did presumably not try to figure out. You mean the claims you forced? Everything that Jan and RR said was already posted, except the Future sight thingy, and that would be the one that would best be kept hidden. So I posit that you asking for "details" was actually an anti-town move. I, on the other hand, asked for a flavor claim, which helped a lot more because it helped me figure out whether his power lines up with the flavor (it does). I also asked for clarification on whether self-targeting is possible as that was relevant information to determine whether we can afford to let scum!redirectors live (they can self-target though, so we should not let them live).

Why are you lying?

Jan was talking about bus driver, which contradicted with RR's claim of what he did.

RR claimed a role that would copy another player's role, but had only received part of that role.

We didn't know how RR's role was phrased, which is important for its believability.

In other words, it was nowhere near clear or "already posted".

Further details could have easily shown that one of them is lying. They didn't. The claims both ended up being believable. That does not mean that trying it wasn't the right way to go, instead of randomly pursuing a Seprix case which you now already gave up. What happened?

Huge red flag here. This does not feel like town!faust.

[faust]

Why are you lying?

I'm not. Nice try though.

Jan was talking about bus driver, which contradicted with RR's claim of what he did.

He did not say that RR's info was wrong, so I understood that "Bus Driver" meant "Redirector" for him.

RR claimed a role that would copy another player's role, but had only received part of that role.

No, he claimed it would copy a "night action ability", not a role.

We didn't know how RR's role was phrased, which is important for its believability.

We still don't know how it is phrased, because quoting is forbidden.

Further details could have easily shown that one of them is lying. They didn't. The claims both ended up being believable. That does not mean that trying it wasn't the right way to go, instead of randomly pursuing a Seprix case which you now already gave up. What happened?

Please read. I already said I would switch to Jan (if not for quickhammers) before you even voted for me. I gave up the Seprix lynch as soon as I learned that Jan could self-target.

[silverspawn]

Jan was talking about bus driver, which contradicted with RR's claim of what he did.

He did not say that RR's info was wrong, so I understood that "Bus Driver" meant "Redirector" for him.

We both know that relying on guesses when analyzing claims would be horrendously stupid.

No, he claimed it would copy a "night action ability", not a role.

so... what? it was a contradiction. You can't seriously tell me that because he used the word "a" instead of "all" it was immediately obvious that it only copies one action. It was a claim from Roadrunner. Not to mention that the mechanic is unusual in the first place.

We still don't know how it is phrased, because quoting is forbidden.

You probably know what I mean. we now know it's a 2 parter, and that there might be a 2part theme. that changes the believability of both claims. any such thing could have happened.

[faust]

No, he claimed it would copy a "night action ability", not a role.

so... what? it was a contradiction. You can't seriously tell me that because he used the word "a" instead of "all" it was immediately obvious that it only copies one action. It was a claim from Roadrunner. Not to mention that the mechanic is unusual in the first place.

There was no contradiction until you asked Jan to specify, because before that he only said that his role had some other part (which could very well have been passive or something). I do not think that Jan specifying his role helped town.

We still don't know how it is phrased, because quoting is forbidden.

You probably know what I mean. we now know it's a 2 parter, and that there might be a 2part theme. that changes the believability of both claims. any such thing could have happened.

I guess the difference between our approaches is that I never doubted that both claims were true (i.e. their true roles) after Jan confirmed RR's accusations.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 1.8

Roadrunner7671(1): chairs
faust(1): silverspawn
Jan(6): Cellovix, Seprix, Haddock, teamlyle, iguanaiguana, faust {L-1}
Cellovix(1): Jan
Seprix(3): fontisian, Cron, J Reggie

Not Voting(1): Roadrunner7671

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends Sunday July 17, 12PM forum time

[Roadrunner7671]

Roadrunner, do something heroic for once and hammer the scum! Sacrifice yourself!!!!

I actually don't think I'll get night killed but I don't want to take the risk yet. I'm around this weekend.

[faust]

Roadrunner, do something heroic for once and hammer the scum! Sacrifice yourself!!!!

I actually don't think I'll get night killed but I don't want to take the risk yet. I'm around this weekend.

What are you waiting for, precisely?

[Seprix]

That nobody is lynching Jan is telling.

[faust]

That nobody is lynching Jan is telling.

I'm not sure what you mean. I've only put him to L-1 recently, and the only players to have posted since are RR and silverspawn.

[Seprix]

That nobody is lynching Jan is telling.

I'm not sure what you mean. I've only put him to L-1 recently, and the only players to have posted since are RR and silverspawn.

People have been watching.

[silverspawn]

vote: Jan
vote: faust
unvote

I don't know.

[faust]

vote: Jan
vote: faust
unvote

I don't know.

That must be the derpiest derphammer that has ever been derped.

[silverspawn]

Jan's vote does make a lot of sense as a scum role. That's undeniable. Redirect and investigative in a package.

I think it might be good if people state whom they want to lynch right now. For me it's only faust and Jan who are options. RR is towny, Seprix is towny, font is only slightly scummy and the rest seems not to have been in the game.

[silverspawn]

aw crap

[faust]

It should be a hammer though, right? I mean... each vote counts, even if a vote follows in the very same post.

[silverspawn]

yes

why did no-one say anything? don't we have announces on L-1? I had no idea that he was even close.

[faust]

yes

why did no-one say anything? don't we have announces on L-1? I had no idea that he was even close.

There is a vote count on this very page that states that Jan is at L-1. I did say I did not want to vote him before because I did not want to risk a quickhammer.