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[Jan]

Jan > lio > Seprix > e

Not moving yet.

Talk to me about the why.

I have seen you play one time. I know you can use words.
The are not as good as mine, but they are still words.

[Awaclus]

Seprix >>>> liopoil > Jan

Not going to be on any other wagon today.

[Seprix]

1. e has posted very little of actual substance throughout the entire game

Sure, he's voted for Seprix, gkreig, Hydrad, Jan, Seprix again, and sure he's made 1 or 2 readslists, but that's incredibly basic stuff.

2. e's reaction to Seprix

I go from scum to null-scum to town to scum again. Highly inconsistent.

3. e jumped on the Jan wagon

I think that Jan was a terrible wagon to begin with. Yes, Jan is a little tryhard with reads and content by perhaps overdoing it a bit, but that is overall much better than e has been doing throughout the game, which is basically very little.

[2.71828.....]

Seprix >>>> liopoil > Jan

Not going to be on any other wagon today.

I think you should switch to seprix in that case

[Seprix]

I didn't find that incredibly scummy post though. Man, let me go find it. I went through e's posts, so it wasn't him.

[Seprix]

So.  Liopoil.  Opens the game with a bit of fun.  The scumslip argument....'next person to vote reggie' thing...we should make more dominion references...yeah.  These are all liopoil getting into the game, getting comfortable.  Finding his groove.  Nothing wrong with that.  I actually like the general flow and ease with which he posts these.  Would have to be very contrived for scum!liopoil to be doing, and it doesn't look like that at all.

Then he jumps right into the game with some good input and a vote.  There is nothing scummy about this at all.  In fact, I find it quite townie. 

Continuing on we get a bunch of other posts....none of them scummy.  Basically, shame on you guys for thinking liopoil is scum.  Totally town.

That being said, I find jan's unvote interesting. He doesn't immediately jump on the liopoil wagon (which makes sense from a self preservation perspective). But he doesn't close the door on it either. Doesn't want to be on a mislynch?

Before I continue with my search, this is not terrible by e. I can see this. I don't disagree with it.

[faust]

I unvoted. Do I need to also state the player name?

Fixed.

[2.71828.....]

Yes, Jan is a little tryhard with reads and content by perhaps overdoing it a bit

I would still lynch Jan, but I really don't get people pushing a "tryhard = scum" thing.

[Seprix]

I can't find it so far, someone was reacting to Jan and wrote something really odd. I actually think it was liopoil...

[silverspawn]

Jan > lio > Seprix > e

Not moving yet.

Talk to me about the why.

I have seen you play one time. I know you can use words.
The are not as good as mine, but they are still words.

The case I made on you still applies. Your reaction to being the biggest wagon was not good at all, you gave the impression of scum flailing in sight of your inevitable lynch, instead of town who tries to avoid a stupid mislynch. Your weird semi-tunneling of me without voting isn't good either.

e is a strong (relative to day1) townread for me. His reaction/flip is genuine, I've talked about that I believe

Seprix just seems to get himself into trouble unnecessarily, and his pushing of me is not good but weird as scum. I put him on the towny side of null.

and lio I don't really have a grasp on, but with how the others stand he's definitely between you and Seprix

[silverspawn]

and the way your wagon dissolved was weird, because your defense wans't towny at all. It could have been scum recognizing a chance to hop off.

[Seprix]

Man, I just can't find it at all. Sorry guys. :/

[Jan]

and the way your wagon dissolved was weird, because your defense wans't towny at all. It could have been scum recognizing a chance to hop off.

Then who was the scum bussing me that jumped off?
 There were 5 people voting me total.

3 jumped off.

Melisandre was on me for merely a minute and jumped on when the lio wagon was building (worst timing if he was my partner)

E is a strong townread for you.

That leaves .. Reggie. So you think reggie is a possible scum for jumping off?
I give you that his phrasing was weird, when voting and unvoting me.

[Jan]

and lio I don't really have a grasp on, but with how the others stand he's definitely between you and Seprix

What is your opinion on the people voting lio right now?

Who is town who is possible scum?

[Jan]

@Fontisian

Compare wagons with me.

E at his height :
2.71828..... (4): gkrieg13, Jan, A Drowned Kernel, fontisian

you can add Seprix to that list since he is voting him now.

Lio at his height :
liopoil (6): Teproc, Haddock, Hydrad, Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, gkrieg13,

you can interchange RR with ADK since they both voted lio.


Talk to me about the people on those wagons.
ADK and gkrieg being on both. (Feel free to add me to that list since i was voting lio before switching to E and would vote either at this moment)

What do you think of the people pushing lio and the timing of the push.

What do you get out of it?

[Jan]

And yes i have my own opinions, but i want yours before i talk too much about it.

[silverspawn]

and the way your wagon dissolved was weird, because your defense wans't towny at all. It could have been scum recognizing a chance to hop off.

Then who was the scum bussing me that jumped off?
 There were 5 people voting me total.

3 jumped off.

Melisandre was on me for merely a minute and jumped on when the lio wagon was building (worst timing if he was my partner)

E is a strong townread for you.

That leaves .. Reggie. So you think reggie is a possible scum for jumping off?
I give you that his phrasing was weird, when voting and unvoting me.

I had not looked into it more closely. Now you did the work for me, so... thanks.

e might be a "strong town read", but that's a read and it's day 1. It means ~20% instead of ~30% chance to be scum. He could still be a partner scum jumping off. and yes, JReggie. It could also be townies jumping off, it's just that it's weird to see a wagon dissolve after the defense should make it more attractive than before, in my mind.

Melisandre I'm with you, not looking like a partner inmteraction.

[fontisian]

1. If you are mafia, gkreig and ADK are likely partners.
2. If e is mafia and lio isn't, the mafia are probably around slot 3 or 4 on his wagon, but not consecutive.
3. The shift to lio benefited e more than it did you.
4. The players on this site like to bandwagon all at once.
5. If neither you nor e are mafia, then ADK and gkrieg are probably town? for shifting from one towny to another when they could have coasted.

[silverspawn]

liopoil (6): Teproc, Haddock, Hydrad, Awaclus, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671
Now the championship feature where it links to every post where the vote was made would be useful. Let me search them by hand.

Just reread Jan, don't have the time for a detailed reread but I don't want to lynch him. The e vs Jan thing feels like typical town v town overblowing things, but especially Jan's frustrated reaction to our meta reads townie : I think scum is a lot more likely to try to silently adapt to it while town will express that frustration and continue doing what they're doing.

Don't want to lynch e either (changing your mind radically is a town tell if anything, on top of everything else)... silverspawn I guess ? I don't know if I'll be around for deadline, but I feel fine leaving my vote where it is, the leading wagons are just not any good.

OK.
Let's try vote: liopoil.  I don't think he's been very towny.

and we are close to deadline.

Vote: liopoil

That seems like a fun wagon. Lets see what happens.

Vote: liopoil

If Seprix isn't happening.

vote: liopoil looks good to me.

I haven't had enough time recently for this game with moving and stuff. Of the two larger wagons, I would rather go liopoil based on what I remember from this game. Neither of lio and Jan stuck out as super townie/don't want to lynch, and more of my town reads are on the lio wagon.

Busyness  should decrease by the start of the next day

vote: liopoil

Vote: Liopoil
L-2

Haddock: good. People have started calling lio's posts towny, and I can totally understand him going like "... what why lio is not towny let's vote"

Hydrad: Well it's Hydrad but he is overplaying his Hydradness. Scummy.

Awaclus: Nothing really, it's like every other Awaclus vote.

ADK: hard to say. It was an important vote to turn it into a serious wagon, but I don't think the wagon is bad. So it's okay I guess.

gkrieg: no idea. "I would rather go liopoil based on what I remember from this game." could be from anyone.

RR is likewise null be he is towny for other reasons

So the only vote here that really seems like "I want a mislynch" is Hydrad's

[Jan]

and the way your wagon dissolved was weird, because your defense wans't towny at all. It could have been scum recognizing a chance to hop off.

Then who was the scum bussing me that jumped off?
 There were 5 people voting me total.

3 jumped off.

Melisandre was on me for merely a minute and jumped on when the lio wagon was building (worst timing if he was my partner)

E is a strong townread for you.

That leaves .. Reggie. So you think reggie is a possible scum for jumping off?
I give you that his phrasing was weird, when voting and unvoting me.

I had not looked into it more closely. Now you did the work for me, so... thanks.

e might be a "strong town read", but that's a read and it's day 1. It means ~20% instead of ~30% chance to be scum. He could still be a partner scum jumping off. and yes, JReggie. It could also be townies jumping off, it's just that it's weird to see a wagon dissolve after the defense should make it more attractive than before, in my mind.

Melisandre I'm with you, not looking like a partner inmteraction.

Wait you believe it is possible that e and I are scum together?

Do you mind looking at my initial case, his reactions and then my reactions? the fact that we were voting at each other and noone for the longest time was trying to get a wagon outside of us going.
Can you explain why you are thinking that is a world ever?


You might have found the words, but the order you put them in is lacking the logic, son.

[Jan]

Why do we need to be 2 horus before end of day for you people to do some work. finally something worth reading, maybe.

[silverspawn]

Wait you believe it is possible that e and I are scum together?

Of course it is possible. It's also possible that the scum team is RR/e/Mesliandre.

The momentum argument is separate from the reads argument, and since reads are weak, it doesn't affect it too much.

Do you mind looking at my initial case, his reactions and then my reactions?

The honest answer to this is "yes", but I can do it anyway.

[Jan]

Wait you believe it is possible that e and I are scum together?

Of course it is possible. It's also possible that the scum team is RR/e/Mesliandre.

The momentum argument is separate from the reads argument, and since reads are weak, it doesn't affect it too much.

Do you mind looking at my initial case, his reactions and then my reactions?

The honest answer to this is "yes", but I can do it anyway.

don't do it if you have made up your mind about it anyway. my point is not to waste your time, it is to open your eyes.

You keeping your options open and the way you are doing it here is just kind of suspect to me.

[silverspawn]

Oh right that was the big fight. Had forgotten that it was you too.

It doesn't look scummy. I'd say it makes you less likely to be partners. But not by much. I've staged big fights with partners before and people gave more town cred to that then they should have as one of us flipped. It's not that hard.

[silverspawn]

my point is not to waste your time, it is to open your eyes.

Aren't we arguing about a detail here? Even if I came to the conclusion that you and e being partners is monumentally unlikely, it would hardly change my mind on you.

How am I "keeping my options open?"