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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #700 on: February 22, 2016, 07:23:41 am »

Well, I like the idea of faking/withholding result info to get reactions, but lying about yours on me being incriminating seems like bad form at L-1.

Which is why I highly doubt that was the case.
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #701 on: February 22, 2016, 07:34:58 am »

Look, I'll make you a deal.

Last time I did a big thing like this and scumread you, I was totally right (it was also totally obvious), and I never got to lynch you, and you won the game by poisoning me to death.

This time, I'm gunna lynch you (tomorrow, probably). If you are town this time, you can bring this is up next time and be like "But remember that other time when you were totally wrong about me?"

If Ash is town then lynching me loses the game, so I don't like your plan.  I'll make you a  better deal.  We lynch the Mafia Goon and then I am 100% cleared.  It could have already happened.
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #702 on: February 22, 2016, 07:36:07 am »

Look, I'll make you a deal.

Last time I did a big thing like this and scumread you, I was totally right (it was also totally obvious), and I never got to lynch you, and you won the game by poisoning me to death.

This time, I'm gunna lynch you (tomorrow, probably). If you are town this time, you can bring this is up next time and be like "But remember that other time when you were totally wrong about me?"

If Ash is town then lynching me loses the game, so I don't like your plan.  I'll make you a  better deal.  We lynch the Mafia Goon and then I am 100% cleared.  It could have already happened.

How is ash town?
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia
« Reply #703 on: February 22, 2016, 07:36:18 am »

I'm also confused, because:

The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #704 on: February 22, 2016, 07:36:37 am »

Look, I'll make you a deal.

Last time I did a big thing like this and scumread you, I was totally right (it was also totally obvious), and I never got to lynch you, and you won the game by poisoning me to death.

This time, I'm gunna lynch you (tomorrow, probably). If you are town this time, you can bring this is up next time and be like "But remember that other time when you were totally wrong about me?"

If Ash is town then lynching me loses the game, so I don't like your plan.  I'll make you a  better deal.  We lynch the Mafia Goon and then I am 100% cleared.  It could have already happened.

How is ash town?

.. how would you know?
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #705 on: February 22, 2016, 07:38:28 am »

I'm also confused, because:

The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!
That's bothered me too.  But I think that's referring to the PRs - for every PR there's a PR modifier that could exist that messes with results.  Given that we know for certain that Ash is not a PR, I think it IS possible to be completely certain now (up to the possibility of lying town, which had better not be happening).
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #706 on: February 22, 2016, 07:41:30 am »

.. how would you know?

How would you not know? There's a result on him that incriminates him beyond doubt by an IC.
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #707 on: February 22, 2016, 07:44:19 am »

.. how would you know?

How would you not know? There's a result on him that incriminates him beyond doubt by an IC.

Mistakes are things that happen.

And I don't know because I have no way of knowing.. this is a silly discussion.
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #708 on: February 22, 2016, 07:45:29 am »

I also never said Ash is town and don't understand why you're having it in the first place.
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #709 on: February 22, 2016, 07:49:21 am »

Mistakes are things that happen.

No, they're not.
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #710 on: February 22, 2016, 07:51:28 am »

I think we should probably keep this twilight discussion to a minimum now. 

It's only going to help the remaining scum pick a target more effectively.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #711 on: February 22, 2016, 07:53:51 am »

Mistakes are things that happen.

No, they're not.

Do you make an effort to be a caricature of yourself?
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #712 on: February 22, 2016, 08:03:03 am »

I told you!

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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #713 on: February 22, 2016, 08:04:49 am »

The fact that two people who reread both of us came to the conclusion that ash is townier blows my mind, though. Making sense is apparently scummier than adhering to confirmation bias.

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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #714 on: February 22, 2016, 08:07:09 am »

you even said it. well, about a part.

They're decent defenses, they make sense.

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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #715 on: February 22, 2016, 09:39:05 am »

Eh, you were scummy!
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #716 on: February 22, 2016, 09:43:45 am »

Can we do this flippy thing?
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #717 on: February 22, 2016, 09:48:48 am »

So if Ash is scum, wouldn't that make WW the only person who could be the partner...?

Bussing Ash loses you the game and all...
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #718 on: February 22, 2016, 09:51:26 am »

why does bussing lose the game for the scum partner?

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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #719 on: February 22, 2016, 09:52:24 am »

why does bussing lose the game for the scum partner?

The remaining players can lynch all VTs in any order and win.
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #720 on: February 22, 2016, 09:53:00 am »

Which is also why we know this is a mislynch unless WW is scum.
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #721 on: February 22, 2016, 09:55:24 am »

no, that doesn't sound logical. scum wins when there are no more towns than scums. Lynching a scum decreases the number of town and scum by 1. That doesn't make it impossible to lose. I think the scum players need all of the VT's lynched to win - whether one of them gets lynched too is irrelevant.

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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #722 on: February 22, 2016, 09:57:14 am »

SS still hasn't paraphrased is QT.  easiest scum tell ever.
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #723 on: February 22, 2016, 10:02:41 am »

I think scum still wins even if Ash is scum and we mislynch the rest of the game. 
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Re: M76: Soap Opera Mafia (D2)
« Reply #724 on: February 22, 2016, 10:04:39 am »

I think scum still wins even if Ash is scum and we mislynch the rest of the game.

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