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[iguanaiguana]

although I think I'm feeling townish on iguana.

  Bros4lyfe 

Name one time we were not the same alignment. We are even same tribe!

[Haddock]

Wow.

Deathly silence.

Anyone around?

I might post a reads list at some point just to kick some discussion off, but I think I'll have to actually reread first, I'm losing track of things.

The first things I remember are that I find Joseph a bit scummy (obviously), e is still slightly scummy too, and I don't much like Ash's latest comments - don't know if that means he's scum, just that I don't like them.

Iguana seems towny I guess.  Can never read Hydrad but I need to reread him anyway.

[Awaclus]

The first things I remember are that I find Joseph a bit scummy (obviously), e is still slightly scummy too, and I don't much like Ash's latest comments - don't know if that means he's scum, just that I don't like them.

In my experience, ash tends to post stuff that I don't like as both alignments.

[ashersky]

Hey man, no need to get so defensive (about being caught).

You asked why agreeing with you is scummy -- I gave you a reason.  Doesn't mean I'm right.

(I am.)

So you seriously think that the scum team is like 4 people and somehow it's also been possible to discuss Joseph's VT claim in response to your proposed plan in a scum QT today?

Yh this is a non-starter really.
It requires 4 scum people, in which case this game is already wildly imbalanced (as a D1 mislynch would lose the game).

No, this is Awaclus twisted something to fit his combative style of play.

I said "agreeing with Awaclus is scummy" and he asked why.  I gave a reason.

This has nothing to do with the number of scum in this game, or a plan, or balance, or anything.  Why would anyone even suggest that?

We already know there are two scum -- it's in the setup.

Someone agreeing with Awaclus does not require 4 scum.
Awaclus stating a thought process in a scum QT that a partner could agree with does not require 4 scum.

That's all there is to this discussion.  People are spinning it up into something more.  Go back and read the whole exchange again.

[ashersky]

First, Haddock says this.

On principle, it bugs me that I'm agreeing with Awa.

Then, I say:

Agreeing with awa is scummy.

Then, Awaclus says:

Why?

Then, I reply:

Because you never post your thoughts in thread, so if someone agrees with you, they are more likely to have learned your thoughts in your shared scum QT.

This is the point at which Awaclus somehow makes the leap to a 4-man scum team:

Yeah because the scum team is like 4 people and somehow it's also been possible to discuss Joseph's VT claim in response to your proposed plan in a scum QT today.

I post my votes in the thread, you don't have to know the reasons why I think someone is scum to agree with the conclusion.

Why does he do that?  I have no idea.  There is nothing in my posts to suggest anything about the scum team size, or Joseph's VT claim, or my proposed plan.

I said agreeing with Awaclus is scummy and gave a reason, the end.

[Awaclus]

Hey man, no need to get so defensive (about being caught).

You asked why agreeing with you is scummy -- I gave you a reason.  Doesn't mean I'm right.

(I am.)

So you seriously think that the scum team is like 4 people and somehow it's also been possible to discuss Joseph's VT claim in response to your proposed plan in a scum QT today?

Yh this is a non-starter really.
It requires 4 scum people, in which case this game is already wildly imbalanced (as a D1 mislynch would lose the game).

No, this is Awaclus twisted something to fit his combative style of play.

I said "agreeing with Awaclus is scummy" and he asked why.  I gave a reason.

This has nothing to do with the number of scum in this game, or a plan, or balance, or anything.  Why would anyone even suggest that?

We already know there are two scum -- it's in the setup.

Someone agreeing with Awaclus does not require 4 scum.
Awaclus stating a thought process in a scum QT that a partner could agree with does not require 4 scum.

That's all there is to this discussion.  People are spinning it up into something more.  Go back and read the whole exchange again.

Me stating a thought process in a scum QT that a partner could agree with does kind of require me being able to post into a QT. I don't think scum has day talk in this setup (it should be mentioned in the setup post of a semi-open if they did, right?).

[ashersky]

Fairly certain you would have been able to communicate on Night 0, though.

[Haddock]

Ash, I agree that your comments have been blown way out of proportion by Awa (nothing new there). 

But you've gotta admit your original comment was pretty weaksauce.  People can independently reach the same conclusion without them both being scum.
Sure, maybe it microscopically increases the likelihood - which is probably all you were saying anyway - but let's not get hung up on it.

[Awaclus]

Fairly certain you would have been able to communicate on Night 0, though.

Because on Night 0, I totally knew that you would propose this plan and Joseph would react by claiming VT.

[Witherweaver]

Ash and Awaclus scum team, obviously.

[ashersky]

Fairly certain you would have been able to communicate on Night 0, though.

Because on Night 0, I totally knew that you would propose this plan and Joseph would react by claiming VT.

What does my plan have to do with comment whatsoever?

[ashersky]

Ash, I agree that your comments have been blown way out of proportion by Awa (nothing new there). 

But you've gotta admit your original comment was pretty weaksauce.  People can independently reach the same conclusion without them both being scum.
Sure, maybe it microscopically increases the likelihood - which is probably all you were saying anyway - but let's not get hung up on it.

It was mostly a joke, but then it seems to have picked up way more steam than it should have, which makes me think it has something to do with reality.

[Witherweaver]

Ash, I agree that your comments have been blown way out of proportion by Awa (nothing new there). 

But you've gotta admit your original comment was pretty weaksauce.  People can independently reach the same conclusion without them both being scum.
Sure, maybe it microscopically increases the likelihood - which is probably all you were saying anyway - but let's not get hung up on it.

It was mostly a joke, but then it seems to have picked up way more steam than it should have, which makes me think it has something to do with reality.

It's mostly null I think; Awaclus is not one to pass up the chance to comment/argue on something.  Though, Awaclus is sharing thoughts (albeit, none that have anything to do with the game) with us, which is inherently scummy.

[iguanaiguana]

Ash, I agree that your comments have been blown way out of proportion by Awa (nothing new there). 

But you've gotta admit your original comment was pretty weaksauce.  People can independently reach the same conclusion without them both being scum.
Sure, maybe it microscopically increases the likelihood - which is probably all you were saying anyway - but let's not get hung up on it.

It was mostly a joke, but then it seems to have picked up way more steam than it should have, which makes me think it has something to do with reality.

It's mostly null I think; Awaclus is not one to pass up the chance to comment/argue on something.  Though, Awaclus is sharing thoughts (albeit, none that have anything to do with the game) with us, which is inherently scummy.

He's not really sharing thoughts. He's really just defending himself the same way he always does.

Also, I think Awaclus is a good enough player to adapt to playing around the meta that he is only helpful as scum. As soon as everyone accepts that as his meta, all he has to do is being unhelpful and everyone assumes he's town, making his scum games a cakewalk.

Ash and Awaclus are both playing in their normal style. Let's not mistake that for scumminess or towniness; scum is always pushing those same tired mislynches.

[Haddock]

Ash, I agree that your comments have been blown way out of proportion by Awa (nothing new there). 

But you've gotta admit your original comment was pretty weaksauce.  People can independently reach the same conclusion without them both being scum.
Sure, maybe it microscopically increases the likelihood - which is probably all you were saying anyway - but let's not get hung up on it.

It was mostly a joke, but then it seems to have picked up way more steam than it should have, which makes me think it has something to do with reality.

It's mostly null I think; Awaclus is not one to pass up the chance to comment/argue on something.  Though, Awaclus is sharing thoughts (albeit, none that have anything to do with the game) with us, which is inherently scummy.

He's not really sharing thoughts. He's really just defending himself the same way he always does.

Also, I think Awaclus is a good enough player to adapt to playing around the meta that he is only helpful as scum. As soon as everyone accepts that as his meta, all he has to do is being unhelpful and everyone assumes he's town, making his scum games a cakewalk.

Ash and Awaclus are both playing in their normal style. Let's not mistake that for scumminess or towniness; scum is always pushing those same tired mislynches.

The man makes the sense.

[silverspawn]

No - claiming that things are null is scummy.

[2.71828.....]

I still like haddock here

[Joseph2302]

Noticing that Awaclus has been a lot more active than usual- not sure if it's a scum/town trait, but could be worth looking at.

Also, it's kind of convenient that ash propose something, and then doesn't claim himself- if he's a good PR then he would have had some setup info anyway (so did he need this claiming?) and otherwise he's scum.

[ashersky]

Noticing that Awaclus has been a lot more active than usual- not sure if it's a scum/town trait, but could be worth looking at.

Also, it's kind of convenient that ash propose something, and then doesn't claim himself- if he's a good PR then he would have had some setup info anyway (so did he need this claiming?) and otherwise he's scum.

Really?  Can't think of anything other than super PR or scum?

[iguanaiguana]

No - claiming that things are null is scummy.

I thought you would say that!

[Awaclus]

Noticing that Awaclus has been a lot more active than usual- not sure if it's a scum/town trait, but could be worth looking at.

Also, it's kind of convenient that ash propose something, and then doesn't claim himself- if he's a good PR then he would have had some setup info anyway (so did he need this claiming?) and otherwise he's scum.

I'm always this active when someone is trying to argue for something stupid, like ash was now.

What does my plan have to do with comment whatsoever?

Because the thing that we are agreeing upon is how Joseph responded to your plan. We could not have possibly agreed upon that before we knew how Joseph was going to react to your plan.

[Roadrunner7671]

"At this point in life, I would consider a soap. It would allow me to act and still do other things with my life. -Joe Lando

Vote Count 1.3
2.7 (1): Iguanaiguana
WW (1): Ashersky
Joseph2302 (2): Awaclus, Haddock
Awaclus (1): WW
Iguanaiguana (1): silverspawn
Haddock (2): 2.7, Joseph2302

Not voting (1): Hydrad

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day1 will end February 19 at 6:00 PM

[Joseph2302]

Noticing that Awaclus has been a lot more active than usual- not sure if it's a scum/town trait, but could be worth looking at.

Also, it's kind of convenient that ash propose something, and then doesn't claim himself- if he's a good PR then he would have had some setup info anyway (so did he need this claiming?) and otherwise he's scum.

Really?  Can't think of anything other than super PR or scum?

There's VT (which I missed- because once again I forgot that VTs weren't meant to be claiming!)
And there's weak PR, in which case you would have claimed.

[ashersky]

Noticing that Awaclus has been a lot more active than usual- not sure if it's a scum/town trait, but could be worth looking at.

Also, it's kind of convenient that ash propose something, and then doesn't claim himself- if he's a good PR then he would have had some setup info anyway (so did he need this claiming?) and otherwise he's scum.

I'm always this active when someone is trying to argue for something stupid, like ash was now.

What does my plan have to do with comment whatsoever?

Because the thing that we are agreeing upon is how Joseph responded to your plan. We could not have possibly agreed upon that before we knew how Joseph was going to react to your plan.

Then you misunderstood me.  I meant agreeing with you, ever, about anything (in mafia games) is scummy.  Nothing to do with the subject of said agreement.

[Haddock]

I still like haddock here

And my record of being found scummy D1 in every mafia game I've ever played continues.  <fist-pump>

Seriously, though, I don't know what I've done to deserve your suspicion.  You've not, as far as I can see, shown any reaction to my response dealing with your original point, so what gives?

Oh yeah, you're scum.