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[Ampharos]

Yo yo I forgot about the game over the weekend and then it was night O_o

I'm here.  I'm can see why you think I might be, but just go look at my play - I think it's not scummy as a whole.  Add Teproc's stuff to it.  Idk.  Just go look.

Oh, also

Vote: Awaclus

[Witherweaver]

There is a me this game.  I'm not really sure what's best here.

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I am really thinking silverspawn or Awaclus

Ampharos, why Awaclus?

meh, vote: silverspawn

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There is a me this game.  I'm not really sure what's best here.

Witherweaver, lost in a sea of words, unable to find the answers he seeks.

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You know who faust consistently thought was scum?  silverspawn

[silverspawn]

didn't he realize he was wrong near the end?

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Here is silverspawn's vote history:

1 Feb Awaclus
2 Feb ADK
2 Feb Hydrad

These were all mostly RVS.

2 Feb RR
3 Feb Hydrad
4 Feb yuma
4 Feb RR
5 Feb gkrieg
5 Feb RR
7 Feb Hydrad
8 Feb RR
9 Feb day ends

This is not "pushing Hydrad all day".

Hey, this is kind of like what I was saying yesterday.

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So this is why Ampharos is town.

1. Teproc had a little townslip thing going on. See here:

Well Fruit Vendor only occurs if they have JOAT/Roleblocker or Rolecop/2-Shot Strongman...

So ... all the other ones. Right ?

I don't think it's likely to be a fakeclaim for reasons outlined above, but it's a "safe fakeclaim" in most setups.

No. Take, for instance, a setup where scum has JOAT/Goon. One of those setups has a Tracker, and one has a Commuter, both roles that cannot appear together with Fruit Vendor. So if scum were to claim Fruit Vendor, they would immediately get countered. You can go through all scenarios and see that there will always be the chance of a counterclaim.

Right, I'm dumb.

So scum certainly thinks about which fakeclaims are safe on N0. I guess not all scum do, but I'm confident that Teproc does. I just finished modding a game with Teproc, and we both thought scum should analyze the setup more. So assuming Teproc is scum, I am pretty sure that he knows that no fakeclaim is safe. Which means the above post can only be fabricated or come from town!Teproc. Teproc just doesn't seem like the guy that fabricates townslips.

2. Teproc is pushing for Hydrad pretty hard. So if he's scum, that would be a bus. I don't think it's "easy" or "early D1"; scum!Teproc is talking himself into a position from which it will be hard to argue against a Hydrad lynch when it happens. It's not out of the question that scum busses Hydrad - after all, he only was a Goon and thus the least important member of the team - but if that's your plan, you certainly talked about it in the mafia QT. Now let's assume this talk happened. Mafia agrees to bus Hydrad. Once Ampharos takes over, for sure he reads the QT. Would he just ignore the plan there and start voting for someone else, never returning to Hydrad? I don't think so. Ampharos' switch is actually evidence that he is town.

3. The wagon. I mean, seriously. silverspawn starts it for really weak reasoning that applies to at least 2 other players in this game. (that vote is sill fine mind you, it's the first vote on Amph after all) The IC joins in. Ony then do people start to sheep - and who? chairs, who is just as guilty of the things Ampharos is accused of, and who needs to divert attention from the wagon that is forming on himself, RR who also is a major lynch candidate today, Ww who just quoted evidence that Teproc is town. That is not a wagon I want to be on even without the above points.

So I believe all of this should maybe not convince you that Ampharos is town, but at least give solid reasons why Ampharos is a bad lynch for today.

more good stuff from faust.  Like, really, WW, if you need direction, just do a reread of faust.  He has some good stuff to say

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didn't he realize he was wrong near the end?

Haven't got there yet.  Give me time

[silverspawn]

let's say you lynch me and... well I guess you would probably die in the next night, so it's pointless to ask what you'd do from there.

[silverspawn]

LOOOOK I'M TOWN! someone else out there is not town. Go push him instead!

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No, but seriously.  You are totally scum.  Like, you killed faust before you killed the chairs.  Sure, it didn't matter the order, chairs was only even-night tracker.   Except....faust contributes more.  And faust was gunning for silverspawn like every day except D3 (which was a pretty lame day)  (and yeah, it was mostly D1).

So, if I am WW, or Ampharos, or Awaclus.....I leave faust alive.  He will totally help you get that silverspawn lynch that you need to win the game. 

Sure, reading into the thoughts of scum is always dangerous business and total speculation with a lot of WIFOM.  But you have to wonder....

[silverspawn]

but I'm not... 

[silverspawn]

I'M NOOOOOOOOT SCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

[silverspawn]

mh. wouldn't I have killed faust day 1?

[Witherweaver]

let's say you lynch me and... well I guess you would probably die in the next night, so it's pointless to ask what you'd do from there.

What, you really think you'd be the most likely night kill?

mh. wouldn't I have killed faust day 1?

This is a bad argument to make

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mh. wouldn't I have killed faust day 1?

uh, no.  gkrieg was a claimed JK.

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let's say you lynch me and... well I guess you would probably die in the next night, so it's pointless to ask what you'd do from there.

What, you really think you'd be the most likely night kill?

He was referring to me

[Witherweaver]

let's say you lynch me and... well I guess you would probably die in the next night, so it's pointless to ask what you'd do from there.

What, you really think you'd be the most likely night kill?

He was referring to me

Oh, I can't read.  I thought he said he'd probably die.

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These posts occurred back-to-back

vote: hydrad

err what? why hydrad?

I made my little case against him.  Get the ball rolling.  Do something.  Gauge reactions.  How did he react? 

Buddying
A vote for WW
frowny face that you are voting me

None of these reactions are how I think town!hydrad reacts.  But I totally see scum!hydrad doing each of these things.

why aren't you voting to get RR to L-1

Previously (as can be seen in the voting record that faust posted that I quoted), silverspawn had flirted with Hydrad.  But after my case, completely gone from sight (except for one mention asking him to quote his qt, which was ignored)

Instead, silverspawn goes after RR
Talks about claiming
creates a hulabaloo about QTs
Quotes his QT
Sees two people (gkrieg and chairs) vote Hydrad, WW votes faust, and silverspawn ignores the Hydrad votes and questions the faust vote.

I mean, full on ignore, talk about other things, hope people forget about Hydrad mode.

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I mean, it really doesn't matter who we lynch today, but if it is not silverspawn please lynch him tomorrow.

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Like, you don't want that awful feeling I felt after reading a post like this one:

Like, what the fuck guys?

Actually, I'm reasonably enough convinced that its Teproc and Voltaire that I wouldn't mind being lynched today, PROVIDED ALL OUR PR PEOPLE LISTEN TO ME ONCE I'M DEAD. I will be very cross if you follow up my mislynch with manda's and mcmc's.

It makes perfect sense, I don't NEED to live, I need to be listened to. Obviously I'd prefer not to be lynched, but I'm most concerned about how you will control the game when I'm dead. So I'm posting that warning.

Well, but it's more important to convince you that I am town, because then you'll be more likely to defer to my case. I can make a case on anybody, you have to be able to believe me...

It IS sort of based on feeling, which is why knowing you can trust me (if you are town) is so important.

The problem with lynching me is, okay, you'll get Voltaire tomorrow, but then what will you do? You better lynch Teproc. It's Voltaire/Teproc. Voltaire's recent comment sealed the deal. He said if I'm scum it probably means Teproc is. He said this because knows I will flip town, and then you will lynch him (Voltaire), and so he wants to do a light bus on his partner, to disassociate.

It's them. It's them. It's them.

Okay, well kill me, this day can be over whenever you all wish.

Tomorrow, LYNCH VOLTAIRE. Next day, LYNCH TEPROC.

You should absolutely lynch. I will vote for myself if that's what it takes. Better for me to be lynched and have you figure out that you can trust me and should listen to me, than No Lynch. Better still just to lynch Voltaire.

Because I was town there.  I had the power to lynch scum.  And I lynched town.  And it was awful.

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Anyone else around?

[Awaclus]

Yes.

[Ampharos]

for as much as I keep voting awaclus, i wouldn't be surprised to see the last scum either ww or ss

can someone update me on our ICs / probable ICs?  I'm being super lazy this game.