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[2.71828.....]

I post dozens of times in my QT, even as a VT.

But that is 100% confidential until the end of the game and I'm never ever sharing from my QT. Cause that's dumb. And you know me, I never do anything dumb.

you know what?

RR needs to share his QT, now. That's so much evidence and you want me to believe that he just blatantly refuses to use it? It can't get much more anti town than that.

Lekkit has just posted his reads.  Just posted a ton of stuff to comment on.  And you switch the conversation back over to a bottomless black hole that you know will result in meaningless discussion.  Sure you get your interactions.  But I say these interactions are not worth very much to the game at all.

vote: ss

[faust]

So for some more analysis of the silverspawn situation, I want to look at how he reacts to pressure as scum and as town. The only game on record where scum!silver was lynched is M50, so beware, it may be a little outdated. M62 is a game where he was mislynched as town.

Well M62 is pretty much rubbish because the lynch was a last-minute thing and silverspawn never really got a chance to react. Meh. No other mislynch except the recent one in M74, and that one had math, PRs and a self-hammer involved.

Anyway, how does M50 look? Not good, there's lots of things going on and silver was half-outed and anyway it was like his second game.

silver, if you could provide examples that you remember of games in which you were close to being lynched as either alignment, that would be helpful.

[2.71828.....]

At L-1 I will share my QT.
PPE

oh, nevermind then.

let's see if this town wants to win the game or not.

meh.  good point.

vote: hydrad

[silverspawn]

vote: hydrad

err what? why hydrad?

[2.71828.....]

vote: hydrad

err what? why hydrad?

I made my little case against him.  Get the ball rolling.  Do something.  Gauge reactions.  How did he react? 

Buddying
A vote for WW
frowny face that you are voting me

None of these reactions are how I think town!hydrad reacts.  But I totally see scum!hydrad doing each of these things.

[silverspawn]

why aren't you voting to get RR to L-1

[faust]

why aren't you voting to get RR to L-1

Why do you want to force a D1 claim?

[silverspawn]

silver, if you could provide examples that you remember of games in which you were close to being lynched as either alignment, that would be helpful.

siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... sure.

I was pretty close in sss mafia here, and in College town.

Both were day 1, and I was town in both of them.

There aren't any scum examples, I believe. In Forest fire I wasn't under a lot of pressure I believe (for whatever reason), and my latest scum game previous to that is a long time ago

[silverspawn]

why aren't you voting to get RR to L-1

Why do you want to force a D1 claim?

what kind of question is that?

[faust]

why aren't you voting to get RR to L-1

Why do you want to force a D1 claim?

what kind of question is that?

What kind of answer is that?

I can do this all day.

[2.71828.....]

why aren't you voting to get RR to L-1

Why do you want to force a D1 claim?

what kind of question is that?

forcing D1 claims is bad for town.  Especially if it is a PR

[silverspawn]

You usually want to get votes on people that are good scum candidates anyway. Now here we have the same with the added bonus of RR also probably confirming his alignment if he's at L-1. So it's like normal but better

I also cannot imagine anyone telling me that RR is towny if you reread him.

[silverspawn]

forcing D1 claims is bad for town.  Especially if it is a PR

day 1 claims are exceptionally good for town, because they're always the alternative of a lynch. You never lynch someone without giving him the opportunity to claim. Talking about the claim in a vacuum doesn't make sense.

[faust]

forcing D1 claims is bad for town.  Especially if it is a PR

day 1 claims are exceptionally good for town, because they're always the alternative of a lynch. You never lynch someone without giving him the opportunity to claim. Talking about the claim in a vacuum doesn't make sense.

Well, but if I don't want to lynch RR, then I have no reason to put him to L-1, have I?

[Roadrunner7671]

forcing D1 claims is bad for town.  Especially if it is a PR

day 1 claims are exceptionally good for town, because they're always the alternative of a lynch. You never lynch someone without giving him the opportunity to claim. Talking about the claim in a vacuum doesn't make sense.

Well, but if I don't want to lynch RR, then I have no reason to put him to L-1, have I?

Unless you're super desperate to see my QT.

[silverspawn]

forcing D1 claims is bad for town.  Especially if it is a PR

day 1 claims are exceptionally good for town, because they're always the alternative of a lynch. You never lynch someone without giving him the opportunity to claim. Talking about the claim in a vacuum doesn't make sense.

Well, but if I don't want to lynch RR, then I have no reason to put him to L-1, have I?

well... that depends how much credit you give the QT issue. If it is little, then yes. If it is a lot, then you do have the reason of creating an IC or catching scum, even if you don't have a scum read on him yet.

But really, why would you not want to lynch RR

The other guy I cannot read? I mean he's a decently good scum player, and a relatively bad town player, so lynching him would not be the worst. But that's really the only thing this lynch has going for it, and it's not enough.

The other thing he has going for him is that he is not towny. town!RR is towny.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I was about to vote for Hydrad, then looked at the vote count and realized I was already voting for him. More people need to be on this lynch.

Silverspawn being super tunnel-y and stubborn doesn't look too much like scum!SS to me. Silverspawn, if you're town, just switch to Hydrad, it's a good lynch.

[faust]

Okay, so looking at silver's performance in M65.

The wagon on silver there really gets going as Teproc makes a case on him, just like I made a case on him here. He does a point-by-point response to this, similar to what he does here. Well I think he arguments he makes in M65 are a lot better, and more rational, than they are here. That alone does not have to mean he's scum though.

Quoting for hilarity:

@faust: you're good at reading me

Oh look, I found Teproc's case bad. I thought I did. Well I was scum, so it's an easy thing to say.

And I see it's the fakehammer game. Well after that things are probably not worth analyzing anymore.

Overall the focus of town!silver in that game seems to lie more on convincing people he's town and less on pushing another lynch through. I would not call the evidence decisive though. It's just too short a time span where he is actually under pressure. So I guess it does not do a lot to change my stance on silver. Meh. I hoped this would be better.

[Witherweaver]

forcing D1 claims is bad for town.  Especially if it is a PR

day 1 claims are exceptionally good for town, because they're always the alternative of a lynch. You never lynch someone without giving him the opportunity to claim. Talking about the claim in a vacuum doesn't make sense.

Well, but if I don't want to lynch RR, then I have no reason to put him to L-1, have I?

Is there something holding you back from RR other than Silver being for him and your general feeling of Trumpishness?

[faust]

The other thing he has going for him is that he is not towny. town!RR is towny.

No. Well, not to me. If you can explain to me how to read RR though, I will be ever thankful.

[faust]

Is there something holding you back from RR other than Silver being for him and your general feeling of Trumpishness?

I think Hydrad and silver are both better lynches in terms of information and likelihood that they are scum.

By the way: silver, do you want to quote your QT?

[faust]

Silverspawn being super tunnel-y and stubborn doesn't look too much like scum!SS to me. Silverspawn, if you're town, just switch to Hydrad, it's a good lynch.

What does scum!silver look like?

[silverspawn]

I had more patience that game, and I played more solid.. that made it easier to make good points against the teproc case.

By the way: silver, do you want to quote your QT?

uh no

I'll do it if necessary, but it's more about the QT issue and less about the game...

[Roadrunner7671]

I had more patience that game, and I played more solid.. that made it easier to make good points against the teproc case.

By the way: silver, do you want to quote your QT?

uh no

I'll do it if necessary, but it's more about the QT issue and less about the game...

I'm no longer sharing my QT.

[faust]

I had more patience that game, and I played more solid.. that made it easier to make good points against the teproc case.

By the way: silver, do you want to quote your QT?

uh no

I'll do it if necessary, but it's more about the QT issue and less about the game...

Take care not to be "horrifically anti town"...