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[Witherweaver]

that's most confused player

I challenge you to replicate that confusion in your next scum game.

[chairs]

So FWIW, I never actually thought SS was the top scum read in the final Day, but due to RL stresses I couldn't remember meaningfully who it was. I figured that pressuring SS would let him go on a tear about why I was wrong (it did) and ultimately remind me why it should be Ghacob (it did). Sorry to make you stress out so much, SS! I really wish you'd not have self-voted, though, as I was really concerned when i saw the self vote.

You also are probably the hardest person on f.ds for me to read when you're scum because I always read you as Town, so I really, really wanted to force you in particular to explain yourself.

[silverspawn]

that's most confused player

I challenge you to replicate that confusion in your next scum game.

I'm already afraid

[silverspawn]

So FWIW, I never actually thought SS was the top scum read in the final Day, but due to RL stresses I couldn't remember meaningfully who it was. I figured that pressuring SS would let him go on a tear about why I was wrong (it did) and ultimately remind me why it should be Ghacob (it did). Sorry to make you stress out so much, SS! I really wish you'd not have self-voted, though, as I was really concerned when i saw the self vote.

all fine, it worked out well. Self-voting was my gut reaction, and sticking to that does as I said seem to work out for me.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Amusingly, the vig and the MYLO rather than LYLO situation made it so Ghacob couldn't have hammered you for the win anyway.

[faust]

Amusingly, the vig and the MYLO rather than LYLO situation made it so Ghacob couldn't have hammered you for the win anyway.

I don't think you can call this a MyLo situation MyLo stands for "mislynch and lose", which obviously wasn't the case here.

So much for nitpicking... I there going to be an MVP? I feel that town played this pretty badly overall (including me).

[faust]

I am wondering if it would have been a good plan for Ghacob to target chairs in the last night, forcing a no-kill.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I agree that town played pretty bad, I think Mimes played the best, but got unlucky also Axxle didn't think to claim Vig fast enough.

So I'm debating the town MVP, but there will definitely be one!  I actually feel like everyone has a couple of things against declaring them MVP in this case (no offense to anyone, it was confusing) so it's a weighing the pros and cons thing.

[silverspawn]

not me.

I think it should be faust or chairs, but I agree that it's not clear.

[Witherweaver]

I agree that town played pretty bad, I think Mimes played the best, but got unlucky also Axxle didn't think to claim Vig fast enough.

So I'm debating the town MVP, but there will definitely be one!  I actually feel like everyone has a couple of things against declaring them MVP in this case (no offense to anyone, it was confusing) so it's a weighing the pros and cons thing.

It's okay, I'll go ahead and take the MVP so you don't have to be under such pressure.

[Witherweaver]

I'd probably say Chairs though.  He ultimately chose correctly in the end, and he did shoot me and Axxle (well, target).

[UmbrageOfSnow]

not me.

I think it should be faust or chairs, but I agree that it's not clear.

I mean, these are my two lead candidates, yes.

I'm leaning Faust over chairs because I actually liked his opening gambit (and it was hilarious) and because chairs missed submitting an NK (although it didn't actually matter.)

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Both Vigs had pretty good accuracy.  Town made excellent use of their PRs.

Which is why I'm torn about whether town needs any sort of nerf, all the PRs performed very well here, and all the PRs got outed while the Neapolitan found mimes, which seems better than the expected result honestly.

If I were going to nerf town, it'd be changing Watcher to Tracker I think.  Which isn't a huge nerf anyway.  Tracker is a bit more cop-like though, and I was liking the way Watcher works in terms of what behaviors lead you to target someone.

[chairs]

I'd love to play this again. I think if I'd been Faust, I'd have shot sudgy again N2. I can see the argument against it, though.

[chairs]

The hilarity for me, of course, was how mad I was that the vig "wasn't doing anything" when in fact faust was shooting every night.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Yeah, I think chairs wins most amusing QT.

[Witherweaver]

Is the Neapolitan really needed?  I mean, fake claims seem a pretty big risk here for both scum teams, and it's not necessarily dangerous for the vig to decide to just shoot a (known) fake claimer instead of bothering to lynch them.

I guess Neapolitan can be "antitown" when it outs town PRs.  Though doing so also creates ICs, in effect.  I don't know, it basically just felt like I had no good options once I was outed.  I mean getting lynched was "good", but with only one Mime alive, the Mime can't Jailkeep himself and there are two killing roles trying to hit him. 

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I feel like town needs more investigative power than just the Watcher, but that a Cop is way too good.

What do you guys think of Watcher, Tracker, Vig, Backup Vig?  And maybe give the Mafia a 1-shot Ninja in that case?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Hider might be hilarious too.

[silverspawn]

so I think I like weak PR's better than strong ones, generally. instead of cutting the weak PR, I would much rather nerf the strong ones.

[silverspawn]

^ That was actually an error at the start of the line but it happened to make sense

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Vig, Backup Vig, Tracker, Hider? (Hider dies behind Mimes as well?)

Or is that too weak?

[silverspawn]

Vig, Backup Vig, Tracker, Hider? (Hider dies behind Mimes as well?)

Or is that too weak?

The Hider thing always raises the question of assigning flavor names to letters... I'd try to avoid that.

Just replacing Watcher with tracker might be fine.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Vig, Backup Vig, Tracker, Hider? (Hider dies behind Mimes as well?)

Or is that too weak?

The Hider thing always raises the question of assigning flavor names to letters... I'd try to avoid that.

Just replacing Watcher with tracker might be fine.

You're welcome. 

I still like Hiders though.  I believe it can be worked around easily enough.

[silverspawn]

Vig, Backup Vig, Tracker, Hider? (Hider dies behind Mimes as well?)

Or is that too weak?

The Hider thing always raises the question of assigning flavor names to letters... I'd try to avoid that.

Just replacing Watcher with tracker might be fine.

You're welcome. 

I still like Hiders though.  I believe it can be worked around easily enough.

I mean, sure, you can disallow it in the rules - if you want to do that. You could also allow it if you think it's good.