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[QuickSync]

OK Seprix I have the strongest Townread on you next to Seprix.

Lol

Should be SS, My bad

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Vote Count 3.3
It is the loose ends with which men hang themselves. ― Zelda Fitzgerald

Ghacob (2): chairs, Axxle
Witherweaver (2): QuickSync, Seprix
Seprix (1): Witherweaver
silverspawn (1): Ghacob
Not Voting (3): silverspawn, XerxesPraelor, faust

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, 5 to no-lynch.
Day 3 ends Friday September 11 at 2 PM forum time..

[Axxle]

unvote for now

[QuickSync]

Unvote

[Witherweaver]

So what I'm saying is I don't know what CC means

[QuickSync]

So what I'm saying is I don't know what CC means

Counter Claim

[faust]

A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.

[faust]

okay, let me do some clean analysis. I'll assume that our two claims are conf!town for now.

These are 9 players left alive, consisting of

2 Vanilla Townies
1 Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes
1 Goon
QS the Watcher
Seprix the Neapolitan

Now let's analyze a massclaim. First, let's see how many lynches we have left. Right now it is

6/1/2

So, in order to have the majority, we need 4 town players left alive. That means we can lynch, no-kill, lynch, shoot (worst case). That makes 2 safe kills, 1 blockable kill.

Now let's assume everyone claims. Let's also not include our two confirmed towns to simplify things. Then we have

2 Vanilla Townies claiming VT
1 Vigilante claiming Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante claiming Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes claiming ?
1 Goon claiming ?

That will leave us with an overlap of 3 spaced out over 3 categories. How useful that is depends on how they distribute their claims. I should probably stop here...

It does seem good to me though. Note also that, if the vig shot a mime, we have additional information

I think I'm in favor of a massclaim.

So let's actually think that through.

If everyone claims, I think it's safe to assume we would hit 1 scum with our two lynches. The vig shots will most certainly be blocked. After the two lynches, QS and Seprix will be dead, so no additional information. Then we have one deciding lynch, and we lose if that lynch hits the Mime or a towny. Overall, I don't really see this increasing our odds of finding scum.

Now things would be different if the vig could confirm a Mime. Then I think we will pretty much have won. So vig, if you shot someone tonight that didn't die, I think that's worth sharing, and then (and only then) will I be in favor of a massclaim.

Otherwise, why don't we just lynch lying scum?

Vote: WW

[silverspawn]

A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.

what we gain is the ability to divide the remaining players into factions. As in, there is one scum between A, B,  and C, and the other two between E, F, G, H, and I, and J is an IC.

However. QS. You got it wrong. In a massclaim, scummy people claim first, townie people last. Not vice versa.

Scum wants as much information as possible to minimize the effectiveness of the aforementioned factions. Me claiming first is a really bad idea.

Tell us who you find scummiest. He claims first.

[QuickSync]

A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.

Even if it does not automatically win us the game I don't see why you are opposed to it.. At this point the more info Town has to work with the better.

[QuickSync]

okay, let me do some clean analysis. I'll assume that our two claims are conf!town for now.

These are 9 players left alive, consisting of

2 Vanilla Townies
1 Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes
1 Goon
QS the Watcher
Seprix the Neapolitan

Now let's analyze a massclaim. First, let's see how many lynches we have left. Right now it is

6/1/2

So, in order to have the majority, we need 4 town players left alive. That means we can lynch, no-kill, lynch, shoot (worst case). That makes 2 safe kills, 1 blockable kill.

Now let's assume everyone claims. Let's also not include our two confirmed towns to simplify things. Then we have

2 Vanilla Townies claiming VT
1 Vigilante claiming Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante claiming Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes claiming ?
1 Goon claiming ?

That will leave us with an overlap of 3 spaced out over 3 categories. How useful that is depends on how they distribute their claims. I should probably stop here...

It does seem good to me though. Note also that, if the vig shot a mime, we have additional information

I think I'm in favor of a massclaim.

So let's actually think that through.

If everyone claims, I think it's safe to assume we would hit 1 scum with our two lynches. The vig shots will most certainly be blocked. After the two lynches, QS and Seprix will be dead, so no additional information. Then we have one deciding lynch, and we lose if that lynch hits the Mime or a towny. Overall, I don't really see this increasing our odds of finding scum.

Now things would be different if the vig could confirm a Mime. Then I think we will pretty much have won. So vig, if you shot someone tonight that didn't die, I think that's worth sharing, and then (and only then) will I be in favor of a massclaim.

Otherwise, why don't we just lynch lying scum?

Vote: WW

You are aware that if Seprix is telling the truth that WW pretty much has to be mime here?

[QuickSync]

A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.

what we gain is the ability to divide the remaining players into factions. As in, there is one scum between A, B,  and C, and the other two between E, F, G, H, and I, and J is an IC.

However. QS. You got it wrong. In a massclaim, scummy people claim first, townie people last. Not vice versa.

Scum wants as much information as possible to minimize the effectiveness of the aforementioned factions. Me claiming first is a really bad idea.

Tell us who you find scummiest. He claims first.

I forgot a reason why Town should claim first and that is that there is not guarantee that scum will want to play ball and Claim at this point. Most people are not in favor of a Mass Claim so I am trying to get it to actually work by encouraging Town to Claim.

[silverspawn]

well, I'm not going to claim first. that's ridiculous.

[faust]

You are aware that if Seprix is telling the truth that WW pretty much has to be mime here?

No. Why?

[faust]

A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.

what we gain is the ability to divide the remaining players into factions. As in, there is one scum between A, B,  and C, and the other two between E, F, G, H, and I, and J is an IC.

However. QS. You got it wrong. In a massclaim, scummy people claim first, townie people last. Not vice versa.

Scum wants as much information as possible to minimize the effectiveness of the aforementioned factions. Me claiming first is a really bad idea.

Tell us who you find scummiest. He claims first.

Yes, but what's the point really? We already found one lying scum, we can look for the rest tomorrow AND still get to use our PRs.

[faust]

Also, silver, why would you not claim first? I think you're scummy.

[silverspawn]

Also, silver, why would you not claim first? I think you're scummy.

QS is the IC. if he thought I was scummy, fine. But since he thinks i'M towny... no. just, wtf. and I know that I'm town, so me claiming first is just plain bad. I also think it's pretty important here, mb more than in your average masslcaim.

[Axxle]

Maybe qs thinks ur scummy and wants to lampshade his read so you don't shoot him!

[silverspawn]

author=Axxle link=topic=13735.msg522635#msg522635 date=1441544647]
Maybe qs thinks ur scummy and wants to lampshade his read so you don't shoot him!
[/quote]
nah man. not everyone can be wrong here.

[Axxle]

But yeah, I agree that whoever qs thinks is scummiest should go first. Then maybe popcorn it?

[XerxesPraelor]

A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.

what we gain is the ability to divide the remaining players into factions. As in, there is one scum between A, B,  and C, and the other two between E, F, G, H, and I, and J is an IC.

However. QS. You got it wrong. In a massclaim, scummy people claim first, townie people last. Not vice versa.

Scum wants as much information as possible to minimize the effectiveness of the aforementioned factions. Me claiming first is a really bad idea.

Tell us who you find scummiest. He claims first.

I forgot a reason why Town should claim first and that is that there is not guarantee that scum will want to play ball and Claim at this point. Most people are not in favor of a Mass Claim so I am trying to get it to actually work by encouraging Town to Claim.

No - we get the scummiest people to claim first precisely so that we don't end up in a situation where town's PRs have claimed and a mix of scum and town haven't.

Claiming first makes it harder to fake claim because scum  has to decide what to do before knowing all the relevant information.

[silverspawn]

yeah.

[QuickSync]

Fine, if that's the way its going to be.

Faust, your up first.

[faust]

Fine, if that's the way its going to be.

Faust, your up first.

Cool. I'm not claiming.

[XerxesPraelor]

And this why it's good Faust went first - massclaims are only good when everyone participates.