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[silverspawn]

well, maybe silverspawn

nope, sorry.

[QuickSync]

It is not trivial to come up with fake reasons for voting and feel sincere however.

How it's not trivial? Just think of a reason why town would vote that way, then make sure it's not inconsistent with your previous actions, and that's it.

I think the point they are trying to make is that its way harder to come up with legit reasons for a vote as scum as opposed to Town. Take Scott Howard Rule Of Odd Posts for example.

You can safely assume that no one here knows what that is (well, maybe silverspawn ?). So, what is it ?

The basic idea behind it is that Scum psychologically have difficulty giving a read on their scumbuddies that seems genuine. This necessitates that they, since knowing who town are, also have a hard time psychologically coming up with believable read for Town being Scum.

[sudgy]

Not all scum.  Different people play a lot differently, and some people as scum get mad in a situation like this.  Town does too, but as I said, I think it looked more like frustrated scum, not frustrated town.

Why?

I don't quite know how to explain why I think it's frustrated scum and not frustrated town.  It's more of a gut read.  It might be because of how scum will often get mad about votes that don't make sense, but that isn't necessarily it.

[Awaclus]

Ok... if it is trivial, how is it you think we catch scum ?

Looking at the things you can't fake, like voting or unvoting people.

[Teproc]

Ok... if it is trivial, how is it you think we catch scum ?

Looking at the things you can't fake, like voting or unvoting people.

You are aware than explained votes are still votes, right ? How does explaining them make it easier for scum ?

[Seprix]

Awaclus Mime 2015

[Awaclus]

You are aware than explained votes are still votes, right ? How does explaining them make it easier for scum ?

Well, it doesn't necessarily make it easier. It is a great chance to say things to manipulate town into seeing the fake town narrative, but scum has other ways of doing that besides explaining their votes.

[QuickSync]

Not all scum.  Different people play a lot differently, and some people as scum get mad in a situation like this.  Town does too, but as I said, I think it looked more like frustrated scum, not frustrated town.

Why?

I don't quite know how to explain why I think it's frustrated scum and not frustrated town.  It's more of a gut read.  It might be because of how scum will often get mad about votes that don't make sense, but that isn't necessarily it.

If all you're going on is gut at this point I can tell you right now its completely wrong.

[QuickSync]

You are aware than explained votes are still votes, right ? How does explaining them make it easier for scum ?

Well, it doesn't necessarily make it easier. It is a great chance to say things to manipulate town into seeing the fake town narrative, but scum has other ways of doing that besides explaining their votes.

The problem with your strategy of not explaining votes is that because of the way it works, to have integrity, all you should be doing is voting and unvoting and nothing else.

[sudgy]

Not all scum.  Different people play a lot differently, and some people as scum get mad in a situation like this.  Town does too, but as I said, I think it looked more like frustrated scum, not frustrated town.

Why?

I don't quite know how to explain why I think it's frustrated scum and not frustrated town.  It's more of a gut read.  It might be because of how scum will often get mad about votes that don't make sense, but that isn't necessarily it.

If all you're going on is gut at this point I can tell you right now its completely wrong.

Scum is more likely to be mad than town because a mafia dying is worse for the mafia than a townsperson is bad for the town. 

[QuickSync]

Not all scum.  Different people play a lot differently, and some people as scum get mad in a situation like this.  Town does too, but as I said, I think it looked more like frustrated scum, not frustrated town.

Why?

I don't quite know how to explain why I think it's frustrated scum and not frustrated town.  It's more of a gut read.  It might be because of how scum will often get mad about votes that don't make sense, but that isn't necessarily it.

If all you're going on is gut at this point I can tell you right now its completely wrong.

Scum is more likely to be mad than town because a mafia dying is worse for the mafia than a townsperson is bad for the town.

This makes not sense at all. People do not work that way in reality. It is natural to not want to be voted off and it takes a lot of guts for a person as Town to not caring about being voted off. A very small percentage of people actually act out this way in practice. I mean, you are basically saying that the average person only gets upset for getting voted off as Scum and NOT Town. Its a theory that doesn't hold up to scrutiny when looking at the psychological effects of when people are put under pressure and what people as individuals do when that happens.

[Teproc]

That theory absolutely does hold up in practice, combine with the fact that scum tends to oevrreact to pressure because they know they're guilty.

[Witherweaver]

I grow weary of this discussion. 

[QuickSync]

That theory absolutely does hold up in practice, combine with the fact that scum tends to oevrreact to pressure because they know they're guilty.

But only in part. You cannot be dogmatic about this kind of theory. People DO behave differently on an individual basis. Some people are more reactive than others, this, I am ok saying, is fact.

[Teproc]

Obviously.

@WW : It's not the best, but frankly I don't have anything better to say at the moment.

[XerxesPraelor]

Teproc makes sense. Awalcus is mime, nohing new though.

[Seprix]

I grow weary of this discussion.

[QuickSync]

Teproc makes sense. Awalcus is mime, nohing new though.

That's a conclusion without providing how you came to it which is just like voting without providing reasons.

[Seprix]

Sometimes in life, you just have to close your eyes, pull the trigger, and wince.

Which you don't have to, because Awaclus is mime.

[QuickSync]

Sometimes in life, you just have to close your eyes, pull the trigger, and wince.

Which you don't have to, because Awaclus is mime.

Why? Is this a meta read or something?

[Seprix]

Awaclus is pushing to get lynched for saying poor opinions.

[QuickSync]

Awaclus is pushing to get lynched for saying poor opinions.

Can you link specific posts where he has done this?

[Awaclus]

The problem with your strategy of not explaining votes is that because of the way it works, to have integrity, all you should be doing is voting and unvoting and nothing else.

Not really. I can also state my reads regarding people I'm not voting, and participate in theory talk.

[XerxesPraelor]

I ought to be able to participate more now that I'm done with College Mafia.

[chairs]

I feel like this day has been dominated by QuickSync and responses to QuickSync.