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[ashersky]

You realize I didn't ask Arch, right?  I'm saying that a mod won't answer questions about other people's roles.

[ashersky]

And lastly, that Faust has been painting a picture of me as a cheating bastard is completely unfair and dirty, and has nothing to do with a game of mafia.  I would have, as a mod, warned him that he's breaking the civility pledge.

Why is it a personal attack?  It's well established on f.ds that threatening the quit/sub out is not fair play, no matter how you feel about it.  To say I'd purposefully do it anyway is to say ashersky the person, not ashersky the mafia games player, is so disrespectful to his fellow players and mods and friends that he'd do it anyway.

That is hurtful.  If you think I'm a lying bastard with no feelings, maybe that my fault.  But hopefully you can see why I don't want to play with you anymore.

I'm doing my best to just understand that you are scum and don't really mean it, and I need to just forgive and forget.  But it's hard sometimes.

I'm sorry to have hurt your feelings. for me, there were only two options:

- you seriously wanted out after heating on a discussion. I did not do anything for you to be offended about (in my opinion). You didn't give me a chance to explain myself, you just said, quote, "fuck it", and went.
- you are scum using a replacement to appear townie.

As I'm sad to say, neither of these options puts you into a very good light for me. The latter would actually be more understandable for me.

I have two mods who can confirm I definitely, 100% wanted to quit this game and only stayed in because they couldn't find a replacement.  Obviously they can't do that until the game ends (unless you think they'll answer that, too?  Anything I say a mod won't answer you automatically say is wrong.), but it's the truth.

[ashersky]

And that #3 is the rub.

You have to think I barreled headlong into a situation where lying was 100% sure to be caught on purpose, whereas Faust ensured he was in a position to manipulate everyone and everything from a position of complete safety.

Why did I throw game if I'm scum?  Because Arch couldn't find a sub?

You did not throw the game. Obviously.

If I'm scum, game over for scum because of something I did on purpose.  That's the very definition of "throwing the game."

[faust]

You realize I didn't ask Arch, right?  I'm saying that a mod won't answer questions about other people's roles.

What "role" are you talking about, specifically?

[ashersky]

Faust refusing to see things in any way other than his own narrow way is telling.

There are literally dozens of ways for all of these claims to play out.  I can imagine all of us telling the truth and some hidden scum player having made all this happen.  One bus-drive is all it took.

I think Joseph is lying because of all the things this game, plus my result not matching his claim.  I think Faust is scum for defending Joseph so much (his claim doesn't even disprove mine!). 

Meanwhile, Faust is trying to get me mislynch by lying and saying his result catches me in a lie.

Faust claims 2.7 was targeted by a Weak Poisoner.  That has nothing to do with me at all and only circumstantially confirms Joseph's lie.  And yet that makes me the liar?

Look, I could have received killing as my result on Joeseph and nothing would be different.  I'd be pushing for joe and Faust, Faust would have lied and been pushing me.

People need to decide -- trust me and my ability to play this game, or trust the pair of Joseph/Faust.

Is it more likely that those two are unknown town partners perfectly playing together all game?  They haven't claimed masons yet...but they are playing as if they gave a QT and know each other's roles and alignments.

It's because they do.  They are scum partners.

[faust]

I have two mods who can confirm I definitely, 100% wanted to quit this game and only stayed in because they couldn't find a replacement.  Obviously they can't do that until the game ends (unless you think they'll answer that, too?  Anything I say a mod won't answer you automatically say is wrong.), but it's the truth.

Yes, and I never doubted it.

[faust]

And that #3 is the rub.

You have to think I barreled headlong into a situation where lying was 100% sure to be caught on purpose, whereas Faust ensured he was in a position to manipulate everyone and everything from a position of complete safety.

Why did I throw game if I'm scum?  Because Arch couldn't find a sub?

You did not throw the game. Obviously.

If I'm scum, game over for scum because of something I did on purpose.  That's the very definition of "throwing the game."

How is the game over for scum?

[ashersky]

If you say "do factional abilities count as role abilities for other players" no mod can answer that.  The stock response is "I can only answer questions related to your role, not the roles of other players."

That's the "role" I'm talking about.

[faust]

There are literally dozens of ways for all of these claims to play out.  I can imagine all of us telling the truth and some hidden scum player having made all this happen.  One bus-drive is all it took.

[...]

It's because they do.  They are scum partners.

Aha.

[faust]

If you say "do factional abilities count as role abilities for other players" no mod can answer that.  The stock response is "I can only answer questions related to your role, not the roles of other players."

That's the "role" I'm talking about.

Did you read how Arch just answered a question WW had about scum's attack? Publicly?

[ashersky]

And that #3 is the rub.

You have to think I barreled headlong into a situation where lying was 100% sure to be caught on purpose, whereas Faust ensured he was in a position to manipulate everyone and everything from a position of complete safety.

Why did I throw game if I'm scum?  Because Arch couldn't find a sub?

You did not throw the game. Obviously.

If I'm scum, game over for scum because of something I did on purpose.  That's the very definition of "throwing the game."

How is the game over for scum?

How is it not?  If I'm Hydrad's partner, scum can't kill every night (2 lynched plus all night actions for every night kill?  Impossible odds.). If I'm not with hydrad, slightly better, but the numbers are way down and I'd bet any amount of money scum can't win it.

I like high risk/high reward play.  That's no secret.  But this "gambit" as scum was high risk/zero reward.  If I wanted to mislynch someone, I just would have mislynched him.  Go read my previous games as scum.

[faust]

And that #3 is the rub.

You have to think I barreled headlong into a situation where lying was 100% sure to be caught on purpose, whereas Faust ensured he was in a position to manipulate everyone and everything from a position of complete safety.

Why did I throw game if I'm scum?  Because Arch couldn't find a sub?

You did not throw the game. Obviously.

If I'm scum, game over for scum because of something I did on purpose.  That's the very definition of "throwing the game."

How is the game over for scum?

How is it not?  If I'm Hydrad's partner, scum can't kill every night (2 lynched plus all night actions for every night kill?  Impossible odds.). If I'm not with hydrad, slightly better, but the numbers are way down and I'd bet any amount of money scum can't win it.

I like high risk/high reward play.  That's no secret.  But this "gambit" as scum was high risk/zero reward.  If I wanted to mislynch someone, I just would have mislynched him.  Go read my previous games as scum.

You win with a mislynch though.

And how is what Joseph/me are doing (if we're scum) not throwing the game?

[ashersky]

If you say "do factional abilities count as role abilities for other players" no mod can answer that.  The stock response is "I can only answer questions related to your role, not the roles of other players."

That's the "role" I'm talking about.

Did you read how Arch just answered a question WW had about scum's attack? Publicly?

He answered a mechanics question.

Hey, bold a question about your role and how it interacts with another player's role and see if he answers it.

Here, I'll do it for you:  If silverspawn roleblocked Faust, will his action still succeed?

[faust]

If you say "do factional abilities count as role abilities for other players" no mod can answer that.  The stock response is "I can only answer questions related to your role, not the roles of other players."

That's the "role" I'm talking about.

Did you read how Arch just answered a question WW had about scum's attack? Publicly?

He answered a mechanics question.

Hey, bold a question about your role and how it interacts with another player's role and see if he answers it.

Here, I'll do it for you:  If silverspawn roleblocked Faust, will his action still succeed?

He answered a question about a factional ability, which is the same as what you would have needed. Stop acting like that, please.

[ashersky]

Hey Faust, why didn't scum kill you last night?  After XP, your claimed role, confirmed by me and your result, was EASILY the most dangerous remaining.

They killed XP no problem.  Any reason you were left alive?

(hint: it's because you are scum and didn't shoot yourself)

[ashersky]

If you think he'll answer, why don't you ask?

[faust]

Hey Faust, why didn't scum kill you last night?  After XP, your claimed role, confirmed by me and your result, was EASILY the most dangerous remaining.

They killed XP no problem.  Any reason you were left alive?

(hint: it's because you are scum and didn't shoot yourself)

e.

[faust]

If you think he'll answer, why don't you ask?

Ask what?

And why are you only selectively answering my posts?

[ashersky]

Hey Faust, why didn't scum kill you last night?  After XP, your claimed role, confirmed by me and your result, was EASILY the most dangerous remaining.

They killed XP no problem.  Any reason you were left alive?

(hint: it's because you are scum and didn't shoot yourself)

e.

What?

[ashersky]

And that #3 is the rub.

You have to think I barreled headlong into a situation where lying was 100% sure to be caught on purpose, whereas Faust ensured he was in a position to manipulate everyone and everything from a position of complete safety.

Why did I throw game if I'm scum?  Because Arch couldn't find a sub?

You did not throw the game. Obviously.

If I'm scum, game over for scum because of something I did on purpose.  That's the very definition of "throwing the game."

How is the game over for scum?

How is it not?  If I'm Hydrad's partner, scum can't kill every night (2 lynched plus all night actions for every night kill?  Impossible odds.). If I'm not with hydrad, slightly better, but the numbers are way down and I'd bet any amount of money scum can't win it.

I like high risk/high reward play.  That's no secret.  But this "gambit" as scum was high risk/zero reward.  If I wanted to mislynch someone, I just would have mislynched him.  Go read my previous games as scum.

You win with a mislynch though.

And how is what Joseph/me are doing (if we're scum) not throwing the game?

You win with a mislynch, though, right?

If you get the mislynch (me), you win, according to you.
If you fail and Joseph is lynched, you still have you left to force my mislynch.
If you fail and you are lynched, that's probably game over.

2/3 chance of winning isn't throwing the game, in my estimation.

[faust]

Hey Faust, why didn't scum kill you last night?  After XP, your claimed role, confirmed by me and your result, was EASILY the most dangerous remaining.

They killed XP no problem.  Any reason you were left alive?

(hint: it's because you are scum and didn't shoot yourself)

e.

What?

e can redirect the scum attack from me. Scum either knows that and doesn't want to target me, or e is scum and doesn't want to appear scummy when I die.

[ashersky]

If you think he'll answer, why don't you ask?

Ask what?

And why are you only selectively answering my posts?

What haven't I answered?  Literally every post you write is a lie anyway.

Ask whatever question it is you want me to have asked Arch.

[ashersky]

Hey Faust, why didn't scum kill you last night?  After XP, your claimed role, confirmed by me and your result, was EASILY the most dangerous remaining.

They killed XP no problem.  Any reason you were left alive?

(hint: it's because you are scum and didn't shoot yourself)

e.

What?

e can redirect the scum attack from me. Scum either knows that and doesn't want to target me, or e is scum and doesn't want to appear scummy when I die.

Oh, you mean 2.7...  What if 2.7 didn't target you?  No one knew that ahead of time.  Why didn't XP survive if 2.7 can affect the killing ways of scum so much?

[faust]

And how is what Joseph/me are doing (if we're scum) not throwing the game?

[ashersky]

And how is what Joseph/me are doing (if we're scum) not throwing the game?

And that #3 is the rub.

You have to think I barreled headlong into a situation where lying was 100% sure to be caught on purpose, whereas Faust ensured he was in a position to manipulate everyone and everything from a position of complete safety.

Why did I throw game if I'm scum?  Because Arch couldn't find a sub?

You did not throw the game. Obviously.

If I'm scum, game over for scum because of something I did on purpose.  That's the very definition of "throwing the game."

How is the game over for scum?

How is it not?  If I'm Hydrad's partner, scum can't kill every night (2 lynched plus all night actions for every night kill?  Impossible odds.). If I'm not with hydrad, slightly better, but the numbers are way down and I'd bet any amount of money scum can't win it.

I like high risk/high reward play.  That's no secret.  But this "gambit" as scum was high risk/zero reward.  If I wanted to mislynch someone, I just would have mislynched him.  Go read my previous games as scum.

You win with a mislynch though.

And how is what Joseph/me are doing (if we're scum) not throwing the game?

You win with a mislynch, though, right?

If you get the mislynch (me), you win, according to you.
If you fail and Joseph is lynched, you still have you left to force my mislynch.
If you fail and you are lynched, that's probably game over.

2/3 chance of winning isn't throwing the game, in my estimation.

How actively are you trying to paint me as scummy?  On the same page, man.