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[faust]

What if you are lying scum, Joseph is misplayed town, then do you win with a mislynch?

(You can sub my name for yours in that line, and it still works, right?)

Err, yes. But if you believe that, why do you vote for Joseph?

Thanks for admitting it.  And thanks for walking right into your own trap.

Either of us, as scum, had the game won with a mislynch IF Joseph is town, per your own admission and posts.

I was pushing for Joseph's lynch today.  If I'm scum, I want to lynch him to win, right?  You sat tempted to stop that with your result claim.  So you took an active measure to redirect the pressure, votes, etc. to me.  Why?  Because Joseph isn't town, but your partner.

You ensured we got a mislynch on D3 with your quick hammer.  Had I gone after someone else, or had anyone else been the top lynch candidate, you would have just gone with it.  But I stumbled upon your partner, the only person you can't lynch for a win (edge case - Hydrad's partner).

You used the fear of mylo to create a viable narrative for why I would go so far out on a limb.  But your own logic proves that the much more likely scenario is that you and Joseph are partners and we aren't in mylo.

Because if I were scum, I'd be happy lynching any town, not Joseph specifically.  And that's where your scum narrative for me falls apart.

1. Once more, if Joseph/me are scum together, how did I not throw the game?

2. My scum narrative doesn't fall apart. You need one more mislynch. You chose some way to get it that seems more risky than other ways, but it also ensures you don't happen to lynch your unknown partner. Scum claiming a result on a specific person to frame the at MyLo is a thing.

[Awaclus]

Ash, if scum!you is throwing the game here, but scum!faust isn't, then why does faust have more votes than you do?

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Ashersky

Dancing around the role issue is reminding me of WoT.

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vote: ashersky

[faust]

That's the hammer.

[faust]

Reposting this:

Ichi: If we lynch, it's down to two players you can choose, right? I think that's too dangerous (see: today). In my opinion, you should do nothing. But: I might want to check so. So... you could just target chairs, he's going to die anyway? That seems like a good choice.
silver: Blocking may be crucial. But you can only block on 2 people, that's not very impressive. The right choice might make a big difference still. I think with ash gone we're 1/1 on the scum team, so we might actually direct who you block publicly in case you die. But it's probably still better not to.
e: Your main task is to try and stay alive. Or at least attract scum's attack. So choose at will.
chairs: Man, you're going to die. It would be nice if you could collect your thoughts post-lynch and send a reads list to someone you think will stay alive. Only if you've got the time of course.
me: I'm not sure there's much more to be done with my role. What I want to do most I think is check WW. So it would be cool if his target was publicly announced.
WW: This leaves the question, who's the best target? We already have e and silver, so the next best thing would be Ichi I guess? Awaclus is the only other reasonable target, but his play suggests he's town.
Awaclus: I'll be doing some targeting. Since I may be a scum target, it may be good for you to steal my result. But then you could be in the center of scum's attention. I think you should do something equivalent to flipping a die here... think about how likely scum is targetting me, and then do something according to that.
Joseph: I'm not sure we want another poisoning... then again, we might. Can we decide on a target? Ichi? silver? WW? Awaclus?

[faust]

WW: Please target Ichi.

[Witherweaver]

I'm not going to make intended targets public.

[Witherweaver]

But I'll take it into consideration.

[Witherweaver]

e did you mean to hammer?

[Witherweaver]

Well if e is scum, this isn't MyLo, right?  So quickhammer doesn't make sense.

[faust]

Not really... I'm still interested in the reasons to do this.

[faust]

silver and e read most like ash's partners to me, with WW a possibility as well.

For Hydrad's partner... don't know, gotta reread.

[Witherweaver]

silver and e read most like ash's partners to me, with WW a possibility as well.

For Hydrad's partner... don't know, gotta reread.

Ash makes sense as Hydrad's partner.  Silver as well.

[faust]

silver and e read most like ash's partners to me, with WW a possibility as well.

For Hydrad's partner... don't know, gotta reread.

Ash makes sense as Hydrad's partner.  Silver as well.

Uhh... I really don't think ash would play that way as Hydrad's partner.

[faust]

Joseph: I don't know if you should poison... silver seems the best poison shot, but he can just block you, so that's not good. Other than that, I think no poisoning might be better for now.

[Witherweaver]

silver and e read most like ash's partners to me, with WW a possibility as well.

For Hydrad's partner... don't know, gotta reread.

Ash makes sense as Hydrad's partner.  Silver as well.

Uhh... I really don't think ash would play that way as Hydrad's partner.

Why do you say that?

He had almost nothing to say on Hydrad Day 1 except that there wasn't much of a case against him.  It doesn't seem different than how Ash has treated partners before.

[faust]

Why do you say that?

He had almost nothing to say on Hydrad Day 1 except that there wasn't much of a case against him.  It doesn't seem different than how Ash has treated partners before.

I say that because today's move doesn't seem to make a lot of sense if ash doesn't know his partners.

[faust]

I mean, a) he doesn't know about whether or not it's MyL, b) it's much worse if he dies because then their team loses an attack, so he would want to play safe.

[Witherweaver]

Okay.

How are you certain he's scum, though?

[Witherweaver]

This is a blatant lie or a scum slip.  Scum can 1000000% kill their partners in any normal mafia game, so why would this be different?  If they can't think game, it's because you asked and found out.

Sure. I asked and found out, then I posted the answer here, cause that's the clever kid I am.

- Attacks from one faction can affect members of the other faction. [color]

So I read this as "mafia can't self-attack". It's ambiguous though.

So you never actually asked about this?

[faust]

Okay.

How are you certain he's scum, though?

By his play. I'll eat my hat if he's town.

[faust]

This is a blatant lie or a scum slip.  Scum can 1000000% kill their partners in any normal mafia game, so why would this be different?  If they can't think game, it's because you asked and found out.

Sure. I asked and found out, then I posted the answer here, cause that's the clever kid I am.

- Attacks from one faction can affect members of the other faction. [color]

So I read this as "mafia can't self-attack". It's ambiguous though.

So you never actually asked about this?

No... it didn't matter much to me? I thought I read in the OP that mafia can't self-attack. Apparently I was wrong. Isn't reading the setup a scum tell anyway?

[faust]

By the way, I can only see each role once. Better to get this out now.

[Witherweaver]

Well, you believing that Mafia cannot self attack when they can is like an antiscum tell.  Unless you're playing some high level mind games here.