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[Witherweaver]

Yes, but I believe it's also more likely that town insists on claiming last than scum does.  Scum doesn't want to blatantly do things that give them an advantage

[Ichimaru Gin]

I also recall Ash saying in Flavorless that town normally always claims last...

[chairs]

I don't have any notice saying I've been replaced, so just a heads-up I'm now home from the hospital.

Baby and mommy are fine, I'll catch up and get back in this game.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.1

ashersky (3): faust, Awaclus, Witherweaver
faust (3): ashersky, Ichimaru Gin, 2.7

Not Voting (3): Joseph, silverspawn, chairs

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Tuesday, April 7th at 10:30 AM.

[Joseph2302]

Vote Count 1.1

ashersky (3): faust, Awaclus, Witherweaver
faust (3): ashersky, Ichimaru Gin, faust

Not Voting (3): Joseph, silverspawn, chairs

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Tuesday, April 7th at 10:30 AM.

Mod: This vote count has a mistake. Apparently faust is voting for ash and himself.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.1

ashersky (3): faust, Awaclus, Witherweaver
faust (3): ashersky, Ichimaru Gin, faust

Not Voting (3): Joseph, silverspawn, chairs

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Tuesday, April 7th at 10:30 AM.

Mod: This vote count has a mistake. Apparently faust is voting for ash and himself.

Fixed! Thank you.

[Witherweaver]

e unvoted, right?

[chairs]

So let me make sure I'm clear.

ashersky claims joseph used a "manipulative" role.

faust claims "weak poisoner" was used.

This is why we're debating between them.

Correct?

[Joseph2302]

So let me make sure I'm clear.

ashersky claims joseph used a "manipulative" role.

faust claims "weak poisoner" was used.

This is why we're debating between them.

Correct?

"Limited poisoner", but yes.

[Joseph2302]

Ash claims Joseph used a Manipulative role last night.  This does not preclude Joseph from using other types of roles; Ash only receives one role type from his target if they used multiple.

Faust claims that e had a role with title Weak Poisoner used on him last night.

Joseph claims he is Weak Poisoner and targeted e and Chairs by using the 1-Shot Duplicator he received from ADK.

Ah. Thank you very much.
The thing that really gives me pause here is seeing the dual motivation in faust claiming last. If he's town, he wants a chance to catch scum in a fakeclaim that contradicts his own result.

Yet if he's scum, claiming last gives him total advantage to come up with his own fakeclaim that counter's Ash's. Mmmm. Can we not lynch anyone just yet? I have to go to class soon, but will be back later today.

This is essentially the problem I'm having. faust going last could either be town confirming me as town, faust whiteknighting me, or we're a scum team (although I know the last one isn't true).
I'm failing to see how town!Ash could get a "manipulative role" read on me, there isn't a way he could have been redirected or something? If not, then ash must be scum (from my perspective, as I know that I double-poisoned).

[Witherweaver]

I don't think Faust white knights like this.

[2.71828.....]

ok.

vote: faust

I honestly don't know who is telling the truth in that whole mess.  Unfortunately for faust, his flip gives us the most information.  If Ash flips scum or Joseph flips town, narratives still exist in which we do not know faust's identity.

Whichever way faust flips, we will know the alignment of both Joseph and Ashersky.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Also this is a horrible reason to vote for someone. I'm town, that's easy to realize, and then you can conclude about ash's and Joseph's alignment from there. No need to lynch me first.

Lynching one person to gain two ICs or catch two scum is not a terrible reason to lynch someone.  But I realized later that my reasoning was a little faulty

If faust is scum, then the result he shared about Joseph....could be true still?  I mean, if it is (and Joseph is town), then that means faust and Ashersky are both scum.  Which could actually be the case maybe?  Which actually negates the supposed benefit of voting faust over Ashersky or Joseph.

Also, I did unvote, so the vote count is wrong.  I still don't know who I want to lynch.  My question right now is why is Ichi in such a hurry for a lynch?

Can we not lynch anyone just yet? I have to go to class soon, but will be back later today.

[Ichimaru Gin]

My question right now is why is Ichi in such a hurry for a lynch?

Can we not lynch anyone just yet? I have to go to class soon, but will be back later today.

Um. This is me telling people to take it slow. I'm telling them to not lynch anyone right now. Am I overestimating people's eagerness?

[2.71828.....]

My question right now is why is Ichi in such a hurry for a lynch?

Can we not lynch anyone just yet? I have to go to class soon, but will be back later today.

Um. This is me telling people to take it slow. I'm telling them to not lynch anyone right now. Am I overestimating people's eagerness?

sorry, read you wrong

[2.71828.....]

I think I know who I want to vote for, but want to hear more from other people before I vote.  Especially silverspawn and awaclus and chairs.

Chairs, to make things more straightforward for you because you don't have tons of time, I am most interested in what you think about this post.  faust poked some holes in it (which was great), but I want to know what you guys think.

[Awaclus]

I think I know who I want to vote for, but want to hear more from other people before I vote.  Especially silverspawn and awaclus and chairs.

What would you like to hear?

[silverspawn]

all caught up. that was a lot of posts.

Despite my previous reads, I'm inclined to vote for faust now. Besides the reasons which have already been mentioned in the thread,

- I think the "let me vote for faust" thing from Joseph looks super staged. I also don't think faust's reaction points towards genuine town, I think scum!faust has just as much reason to be frustrated there

- I don't buy that you're suddenly convinced about ash being scum. I recall you saying that ash's tunneling made him feel townier - what happened to that?

- I don't feel scum!ash anymore. At first I thought his tunneling was staged, but then he started to actually make good points, and... well, basically this:

The scum narrative for me?  You have to think I'm the biggest asshole in the world...fake fight, fake quitting, someone got Arch to fake seek a replacement, fake a result....all for what?  It's pretty early to be suiciding.

And there's also the thing about how day 2 played out - I mean you did (quick!)hammer town, after all.

Don't get me wrong, I think you played an excellent game, but that's just it, you're an excellent player, you can do this as scum. If it was anyone else, I'd probably say what you're doing (defending Joseph super hard, insisting on claiming last) is too bold for scum, but you're capable of it.


Also this:

Look, the scum narrative for Joseph/Faust is super clear.  There have been shit claims (Joseph #1, the backpedal, admitting he targeted XP who died and was the key to our plan, Faust claiming to directly save him); they have been tied together for self-preservation (faust's non-stop, non-sensical defense of Joseph, faust's quick hammer of town, faust claiming a result to save Joseph after he's caught out -- which is why Faust wanted to go last, btw).

Another thing - let's say ash is scum. Would he really try to connect this game to the contest to the Mafia championship thing if he knows you are right? Definitely no. This is more than just staging a fight.

I'm also pretty confident about Joseph being scum now. We all gave him allowances for his screw ups, but man, at some point we have to assume that it's staged, especially if you're partners. and if we are lynching among you two, it seems better to lynch you first.

and lastly, I don't feel very good about your votes on me. I don't remember any game when you tunneled me and we were both town.

so, vote: faust, L-2

[faust]

Good job addressing none of my points, man.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Actually, I kind of agree with faust here. I mean, I still think he is scum, but silver's switch to him looks a little odd.

[Witherweaver]

Yes, I don't really like that last Silver post.

[silverspawn]

I'm sorry? man, what can I say, I read everything and came to a conclusion. I also didn't "address" any of ash's points.

[Joseph2302]

But this is so simple. Either someone messed with my actions, or ash is scum. There's been no evidence that someone messed with my actions, therefore ash is scum.

[silverspawn]

But this is so simple. Either someone messed with my actions, or ash is scum. There's been no evidence that someone messed with my actions, therefore ash is scum.

this just makes me feel worse about you and your faust vote

[Ichimaru Gin]

Door number 3 = You are scum.

[Witherweaver]

Door number 3 = You are scum.

Well if he's scum and Faust is town, we still have to figure out what it means for scum to have his role name.