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And if other people think that Ashersky is correct (including Ashersky), I think that the only reasonable thing to do is vote Joseph.  I don't care about petty arguments.  I want to win.  Manipulators hurt town so much more than rolecops.

If joseph flips a non-manipulator role, we lynch Ashersky. 

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but ugh.  Lots of people dying issues.

If Ashersky is scum (like in the situation I described in my earlier post) and joseph/faust are telling the truth....then we are totally screwed if we mislynch either of joseph/faust because numbers and everything.

vote: ashersky is more winning than voting the other way.  If he flips town, we have two scum lynches in Joseph and faust the next two days

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lets think this through.

Assuming worst case scenario and Joseph telling the truth Ashersky is lying

9 alive, 2 will die of poison, 2 from scum tonight.

so 4 alive, 3 scum.  game over.

Assuming Ashersky is telling the truth, Joseph is lying

9 alive, 2 primed to die.  we mislynch, 6 alive, 3 scum.  game over.  Unless roleblocking and other stuff work in our favor.

These numbers are so variable I don't even want to think about all the situations

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In what crazy gambit does scum tie themselves together so closely though?  I mean, faust and joseph are joined at the hip.  I didn't see this too much earlier, but man, it really looks that way.

If Joseph is telling the truth, Ash is scum.  Faust might be scum still as a rolecop
If Joseph is lying, faust is lying, Ash is telling the truth
If Ash is telling the truth, joseph is lying scum, which means faust is scum
If Ash is lying, then joseph is town, faust maybe scum? But not Ashersky's partner
If faust is lying, then Joseph is lying.  Ash is town and telling the truth
If faust is telling the truth, then Joseph is telling the truth and Ash is scum

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Anyway, what I said earlier about not lynching in {ash, joseph, faust}.  Yeah.  We need to lynch here

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ok.

vote: faust

I honestly don't know who is telling the truth in that whole mess.  Unfortunately for faust, his flip gives us the most information.  If Ash flips scum or Joseph flips town, narratives still exist in which we do not know faust's identity.

Whichever way faust flips, we will know the alignment of both Joseph and Ashersky.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ok. I don't see scum thinking this much out loud and going from Joseph --> Ash --> faust (right choice btw).

Townread on e. Too bad Joseph poisoned him. chairs is still in this game right? Has he even posted today?

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unvote until I get some feedback.  I think that might have been L-1?  Vote count?  I don't want a lynch quite yet.

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Ok. I don't see scum thinking this much out loud and going from Joseph --> Ash --> faust (right choice btw).

Townread on e. Too bad Joseph poisoned him. chairs is still in this game right? Has he even posted today?

He has a new kid.  He posted about getting a replacement.  Which is still possible per the rules. 

[Ichimaru Gin]

Oh yeah, I should have known that. Congrats chairs!

Last vote count was here...so it's been a little while. I really have no idea where votes are right now.

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Ok. I don't see scum thinking this much out loud and going from Joseph --> Ash --> faust (right choice btw).

Townread on e. Too bad Joseph poisoned him. chairs is still in this game right? Has he even posted today?

So you believe faust is scum, yet you still think Joseph poisoned me?  That actually can't happen.  If faust is scum, then the result he shared about Joseph....could be true still?  I mean, if it is (and Joseph is town), then that means faust and Ashersky are both scum.  Which could actually be the case maybe?  Which actually negates the supposed benefit of voting faust over Ashersky or Joseph.

Other peoples.  Think about this.  I need to go to bed now. 

And lets not lynch anyone until chairs either gets a replacement or whatever.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I'm not sure I entirely understand. It's getting late here as well, I'll be back in the morning.

My role is another reason to lynch faust though.

[faust]

Re-read and made my decision.

Vote: ashersky

Good choice, man.

[Witherweaver]

Lynching Ash would give just as much information.

[silverspawn]

I think a lurker is most likely Hydrad's partner -- so Silverspawn or 2.7 or chairs.  Is ADK still playing?

hey, I'm not lurking. I had an exam yesterday and it was my birthday and I had to play in a tournament. I'll catch up later today.

[Witherweaver]

The biggest thing is I feel Ash came into today with a "me or Faust" showdown, and I don't see much of a narrative for that unless he knew Faust would be countering him.  Which he knew would happen if he were coming up with a fake result.  The entire "gauntlet throwing" post does not read particularly organic to me.  It looks more constructed argument than genuine frustration. 

Again, it came before Faust claimed any kind of results, which is a big thing that bothers me.  What was everyone else's feeling on that post?

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Ashersky

[faust]

It's hilarious how people are voting for me when there's no compelling scum narrative here.

Me&Joseph are scum
Doesn't make sense. I would almost ensure getting us both lynched before the game ends with this move, even if we lynch ash first. Plus, had Joseph been my partner, he wouldn't have messed up claiming like that.

I am scum & Joseph is town
Why would I defend Joseph? I mean, if I'm scum and Joseph town, I'm very happy if ash gets rid of a major threat to my team. Why object? Had I not intervened, the Joseph lynch would have been a sure thing, and I would have been very close to victory.

[faust]

Could we get a vote count, please?

No lynching before we make plans for tonight. I feel like it's vital to have plans for tonight.

[faust]

ok.

vote: faust

I honestly don't know who is telling the truth in that whole mess.  Unfortunately for faust, his flip gives us the most information.  If Ash flips scum or Joseph flips town, narratives still exist in which we do not know faust's identity.

Whichever way faust flips, we will know the alignment of both Joseph and Ashersky.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Also this is a horrible reason to vote for someone. I'm town, that's easy to realize, and then you can conclude about ash's and Joseph's alignment from there. No need to lynch me first.

[Witherweaver]

I'm having a little trouble reading e's turnabouts. 

[faust]

Also this:

If Joseph is telling the truth, Ash is scum.  Faust might be scum still as a rolecop

There's a tiny chance that we are all telling the truth and someone messed with us here, otherwise this is fine. I might even be scum and not be a rolecop.

If Joseph is lying, faust is lying, Ash is telling the truth

I think ash could still be scum here, but it doesn't matter anyway.

If Ash is telling the truth, joseph is lying scum, which means faust is scum

Well, again ash's results could be messed with. Rather unlikely though. Yeah, if Joseph is lying about his role, obviously so am I.

If Ash is lying, then joseph is town, faust maybe scum? But not Ashersky's partner

Why would I not be ashersky's partner? I could see as team of me/ash stage something like this. One of us would get out of it looking really towny. Sounds like fun. Also Joseph could still be scum with his role, but it's unlikely.

If faust is lying, then Joseph is lying.  Ash is town and telling the truth

I don't see why it follows that ash is town here.

If faust is telling the truth, then Joseph is telling the truth and Ash is scum

Yeah. Again tiny disclaimer, but mostly yeah.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I think lynching Ash is a mistake. How long do we have until the deadline?

Would it be possible for someone to make as simple a summary as possible of the conflict between each of Ash's, faust's and Joseph's claims? I feel like there's something I'm missing.

[Witherweaver]

Ash claims Joseph used a Manipulative role last night.  This does not preclude Joseph from using other types of roles; Ash only receives one role type from his target if they used multiple.

Faust claims that e had a role with title Weak Poisoner used on him last night.

Joseph claims he is Weak Poisoner and targeted e and Chairs by using the 1-Shot Duplicator he received from ADK.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ash claims Joseph used a Manipulative role last night.  This does not preclude Joseph from using other types of roles; Ash only receives one role type from his target if they used multiple.

Faust claims that e had a role with title Weak Poisoner used on him last night.

Joseph claims he is Weak Poisoner and targeted e and Chairs by using the 1-Shot Duplicator he received from ADK.

Ah. Thank you very much.
The thing that really gives me pause here is seeing the dual motivation in faust claiming last. If he's town, he wants a chance to catch scum in a fakeclaim that contradicts his own result.

Yet if he's scum, claiming last gives him total advantage to come up with his own fakeclaim that counter's Ash's. Mmmm. Can we not lynch anyone just yet? I have to go to class soon, but will be back later today.