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[Witherweaver]

We can also verify my role by just lynching my target tomorrow. That would be cool, but  I'm not sure how much utility it would offer.

[Witherweaver]

Oh actually Ash gave Hydrad his excuse, not Faust.

[2.71828.....]

We can also verify my role by just lynching my target tomorrow. That would be cool, but  I'm not sure how much utility it would offer.

Depends on the target.  I am extremely hesitant to put someone at L just to prove your role. 

[Witherweaver]

We can also verify my role by just lynching my target tomorrow. That would be cool, but  I'm not sure how much utility it would offer.

Depends on the target.  I am extremely hesitant to put someone at L just to prove your role.

Is there a Role Follower/Role Tracker?/whatever? 

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm not joking.  It is bad.

In what world is voting bad?

When I'm town.

See, now you're not even trying.

It's not really my job to convince you I'm town, and it's probably pointless, but I'll play.

1) I obviously didn't have a good understanding of how Mafia works in this setup as I was engaging with Ichi based on a flawed understanding of the scum team.  I didn't notice he townslipped because I didn't know he was wrong.  You can say constructed or whatever, but it wasn't.

2) Does scum get Governor?  I don't know, maybe, but to me it seems a lot more powerful for scum than for town.  And if I was scum Governor, I easily could have made up some modification to make it higher town utility.  Now of course you can argue that I was planning to make this argument, but man that requires some foresight on my part.

3) Joking me is not scum me.  Joking me is joking me.  We had this conversation last time you tried to lynch me when I was town, by the way.

How is not your job to convince me that you're town? I'm town and looking to lynch scum, if you can eliminate yourself from the pool of potential lynchees then that's good. And I was mostly voting for you for saying that voting was bad, which is just nonsensical. These are all good points, you should be saying them.

I do feel like Hydrad is a lot more likely scum than WW. So I'm going to switch. vote: Hydrad That's L-1.

PPE: ash is a role follower.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I don't doubt that you're a governor, I'd be very surprised if anyone lied during the massclaim (except by omission), these are all very confirmable roles.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Let's lynch faust.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Let's not.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Let's not.

But whyyyyyyyyyyy?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Because I'm pretty sure he's town.

[silverspawn]

 Ichi trying to deflect from the Hydrad lynch?

[ashersky]

We can also verify my role by just lynching my target tomorrow. That would be cool, but  I'm not sure how much utility it would offer.

I'd guess none.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ichi trying to deflect from the Hydrad lynch?

Why do you want to lynch Hydrad so bad? faust is so much scummier.

I agree with Ash's thoughts about Hydrad.

[silverspawn]

well, the problem is that I don't think faust is particularly scummy. He's not even in my lynchpool because of his role.

[silverspawn]

Although I admit that going for the next biggest wagon would be a more effective way of deflecting from the lynch than tunneling faust.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Well. We still have like 5 days--at the same time I think there's already been a ton that's happened today: the massclaim, ADK's and my fight, etc. So ending it now is fine.

Eh. His role doesn't look super strong...should I hammer?
I feel like scum is manipulating me to go along with this lynch though.

[A Drowned Kernel]

It feels like you're manipulating yourself. So maybe scum is manipulating you?

Vote however you want to. I hereby give you permission.

[Ichimaru Gin]

It feels like you're manipulating yourself. So maybe scum is manipulating you?

Vote however you want to. I hereby give you permission.

I could still lynch you.

[Witherweaver]

Who's manipulating you?  But here's a question:

You're scum and think one of the leading wagons is scum from the other team/QT.  How do you treat that?

[Witherweaver]

"you" here is to everyone.  Well the latter ones. The first question was to Ichi

[Ichimaru Gin]

To answer the first question, I just get this bad feeling about certain lynches. I just feel so confident that faust is scum, it feels kind of bad to settle for anyone else today. But unfortunately it doesn't look that's happening. I often just go along with what other people think as town--and I feel like that's hurt me in the past.

For the general one. I think this setup kind of sucks for scum in that regard. They can't really get any towncredit for bussing known or unkonwn--since it could be by accident. They're going to have to balance looking like they're really scumhunting (which they kind of are)--and then maybe back off if they think they identified one of their unknown partners?

[2.71828.....]

Who's manipulating you?  But here's a question:

You're scum and think one of the leading wagons is scum from the other team/QT.  How do you treat that?

I would treat everyone as town unless except for my qt-buddy.  So I would have no problem expounding on Person A's scumminess and building a case against him and trying to lynch him

[2.71828.....]

Also, not super excited about a Hydrad lynch.  I am not planning on hammering at least

[A Drowned Kernel]

Who's manipulating you?  But here's a question:

You're scum and think one of the leading wagons is scum from the other team/QT.  How do you treat that?

I'd follow my usual methods of scumhunting and trust my own rotten reads to prevent me from hitting my partners.

[silverspawn]

Well. We still have like 5 days--at the same time I think there's already been a ton that's happened today: the massclaim, ADK's and my fight, etc. So ending it now is fine.

Eh. His role doesn't look super strong...should I hammer?

uh, no? why would you want to hammer.

you seem to be nervous about this lynch though. which by the way is going a little bit too easily. Although I guess with two different scum pairings that's less of a tell than normal.

let's try something else. unvote

vote: ADK