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[silverspawn]

what exactly is "this"?

"scum!me doesn't do this, so I have to be town"

oh yeah, that's a great defense

[Witherweaver]

I'm not joking.  It is bad.

In what world is voting bad?

When I'm town.

[ashersky]

so, ADk, was
- fighting the massclaim
- voting for XP because he claimed
- overjustifies his actions
- says Ichi has a super towny role, but then he votes Ichi after he makes a good post, and then there is this huge fight with him.
- then there's the town slip reaction

well and now he put Hydrad at L-2 put unvoted in the same post because Hydrad... made a response?

well, a lot of that isn't necessarily scummy. but it seems different from how he usually plays.

For now, I still like my vote on Hydrad

This entire post (until the last line) looks like you are making a case on ADK, then end it with being happy with your vote on Hydrad.  This makes no sense.

[Hydrad]

so, ADk, was
- fighting the massclaim
- voting for XP because he claimed
- overjustifies his actions
- says Ichi has a super towny role, but then he votes Ichi after he makes a good post, and then there is this huge fight with him.
- then there's the town slip reaction

well and now he put Hydrad at L-2 put unvoted in the same post because Hydrad... made a response?

well, a lot of that isn't necessarily scummy. but it seems different from how he usually plays.

For now, I still like my vote on Hydrad

This entire post (until the last line) looks like you are making a case on ADK, then end it with being happy with your vote on Hydrad.  This makes no sense.

I was going to post something like that until I thought I was biased since he was voting me. I'm glad someone else shares my opinion.

[Hydrad]

Vote:SS

[Witherweaver]

I want to lynch the Hydrad.

[Hydrad]

I want to lynch the Hydrad.

why?

I'm still not sure where my votes came from.

[Awaclus]

Vote: Hydrad

Yeah, I'm starting to like lynching the Hydrad as well.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Uh. Pretty sure that's L-2. I don't know guys...I'm not really feeling the Hydrad lynch. I am terrible at reading him though.

[Hydrad]

all I really want to know is why...

Even saying its just a gut read or something is better then whats happening.

[Awaclus]

all I really want to know is why...

Because you're scum.

[Hydrad]

all I really want to know is why...

Because you're scum.

...

Lets try this then. Would you mind pointing out some things that made you feel I was scum?

[Awaclus]

all I really want to know is why...

Because you're scum.

...

Lets try this then. Would you mind pointing out some things that made you feel I was scum?

Yes.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm not joking.  It is bad.

In what world is voting bad?

When I'm town.

See, now you're not even trying.

[silverspawn]

This entire post (until the last line) looks like you are making a case on ADK, then end it with being happy with your vote on Hydrad.  This makes no sense.

I said I was going to reread him, so I did; I posted the things I noticed, he was kinda scummy but not overly so, so I didn't switch. I don't think that's particularly strange.

[silverspawn]

and yeah, I also didn't want to deflect from the Hydrad wagon, because I do think it's decent

[ashersky]

Can someone tell me why we should lynch Hydrad?  I'm just not seeing a case anywhere.  I mean, I'm fairly ambivalent on the whole thing, and you know I like hammering in general, but still, it'd be nice to know why he's at L-2 with no one making an actual case.

If it's one person's gut read and a bunch of sheeping, that's cool.  At least we know there's scum on the wagon.

[Archetype]

Good thing: We can't lose this game anyway. Once it looks like we're going to lose, Arch will just step forward and modkill all the remaining mafia.

What does this post mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina

Oh thats interesting. It would be fun if Arch does have some say suddenly in this game.

Hi

[Joseph2302]

Good thing: We can't lose this game anyway. Once it looks like we're going to lose, Arch will just step forward and modkill all the remaining mafia.

What does this post mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina

Oh thats interesting. It would be fun if Arch does have some say suddenly in this game.

Hi

Request: Vote Count

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.5

XerxesPraelor (1): Hydrad
Ichimaru Gin (1): faust
faust (1): Ichimaru Gin
Witherweaver (4): 2.7, chairs, ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
Hydrad (5): XerxesPraelor, Witherweaver, silverspawn, Joseph, Awaclus

Not Voting (0):

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 deadline is March 15th at 5:45 PM.

[XerxesPraelor]

Hydrad wasn't coming up with his own arguments, and it felt to me like he was manufacturing his outcome.

[silverspawn]

Hydrad wasn't coming up with his own arguments, and it felt to me like he was manufacturing his outcome.

yeah, and I don't think he responded well to the pressure

[Witherweaver]

I'm not joking.  It is bad.

In what world is voting bad?

When I'm town.

See, now you're not even trying.

It's not really my job to convince you I'm town, and it's probably pointless, but I'll play.

1) I obviously didn't have a good understanding of how Mafia works in this setup as I was engaging with Ichi based on a flawed understanding of the scum team.  I didn't notice he townslipped because I didn't know he was wrong.  You can say constructed or whatever, but it wasn't.

2) Does scum get Governor?  I don't know, maybe, but to me it seems a lot more powerful for scum than for town.  And if I was scum Governor, I easily could have made up some modification to make it higher town utility.  Now of course you can argue that I was planning to make this argument, but man that requires some foresight on my part.

3) Joking me is not scum me.  Joking me is joking me.  We had this conversation last time you tried to lynch me when I was town, by the way.

[Witherweaver]

Hydrad you're scum because you've provided no content and have only commented casually on setup stuff.  That Silverspawn vote was very scummy, because you didn't do it right away because you knew it looked bad, but then once Faust gave you the justification you went ahead and did it.

ADK is next likely scum.  Town!him does more scum hunting.  There are four I guess... I don't know who the other two are.  Ash?  Nah, I'm null there.. Silver I'm null.. Faust I'm still town.. Ichi town.. Awaclus I don't have any recollection of stuff he's done.. there's a possibility.  Is Chairs in this game?  I never know there.. XP is town here.. e is probably town.  So the defacto list becomes {Silver, Awaclus, Chairs}.

[Witherweaver]

We can also verify my role by just lynching my target tomorrow. That would be cool, but  I'm not sure how much utility it would offer.