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Author Topic: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (Town Wins!)  (Read 192573 times)

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #425 on: March 10, 2015, 05:31:23 pm »

vote: WW.  This latest round of interactions with IG feels like he's going left, then right.

Is hedgey WW scum WW? I don't think so.

I do.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #426 on: March 10, 2015, 05:31:31 pm »

Good thing: We can't lose this game anyway. Once it looks like we're going to lose, Arch will just step forward and modkill all the remaining mafia.

What does this post mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina

Oh thats interesting. It would be fun if Arch does have some say suddenly in this game.
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For anyone else, such a statement would be a scum tell.  For Hydrad, it's simply a tell that you're reading something from Hydrad.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #427 on: March 10, 2015, 05:37:24 pm »

Also for the sudden waves of votes on me did people misunderstand what I was saying? Because I'll be honest I don't really understand XP's post on me and this is one of the first times I'm getting votes where I don't really understand why.

Sheepy? what does this part mean.

The scum partner part? is it because I said he was town and pointed a small possible scummy part?

Just curious.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #428 on: March 10, 2015, 05:40:37 pm »

vote: hydrad, L-2 I believe. I like a wagon and I don't like how he's ignoring the one on him.

Also, joseph's pretty quiet for someone who's been basically declared an IC.

PPE: well, unvote, at least that's a response. Maybe I'll go back and give him a read.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #429 on: March 10, 2015, 05:41:12 pm »

Vote: Witherweaver for being a force to be reckoned with.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #430 on: March 10, 2015, 05:42:10 pm »

Didn't you all hear me say that voting me was bad?
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #431 on: March 10, 2015, 05:43:44 pm »

Oh, I know this one! Jokey WW is scum WW. vote: WW
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #432 on: March 10, 2015, 05:44:22 pm »

How many votes is that?

@ADK I agree

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #433 on: March 10, 2015, 05:45:27 pm »

Vote Count 1.4

XerxesPraelor (1): Hydrad
Ichimaru Gin (1): faust
faust (2): Awaclus, Ichimaru Gin
Witherweaver (4): 2.7, chairs, ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
Hydrad (4): XerxesPraelor, Witherweaver, silverspawn, Joseph

Not Voting (0):


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 deadline is March 15th at 5:45 PM.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #434 on: March 10, 2015, 05:45:37 pm »

I'm not joking.  It is bad.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #435 on: March 10, 2015, 05:46:57 pm »

Eh. I feel that Ichi recalls that he usually gets in a big fight with me and tries to reproduce this meta here. He's making a big fuss over things I already responded to. It doesn't feel genuine.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #436 on: March 10, 2015, 05:47:31 pm »

Eh. I feel that Ichi recalls that he usually gets in a big fight with me and tries to reproduce this meta here. He's making a big fuss over things I already responded to. It doesn't feel genuine.

I don't think he faked the townslip.  Only other option was his partner and him legitimately thought they were in multiball.  Do you think that likely?
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #437 on: March 10, 2015, 05:49:31 pm »

Eh. I feel that Ichi recalls that he usually gets in a big fight with me and tries to reproduce this meta here. He's making a big fuss over things I already responded to. It doesn't feel genuine.
Um. By my reckoning I didn't start things (you'll probably disagree). I still have no idea why you're voting me.
I feel like you know that you usually find me scummy for some reasons I think is awful--and you're trying to replicate that here. We fought in Yoshi's island too--just saying.

PPE: Maybe WW isn't scum.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #438 on: March 10, 2015, 05:50:02 pm »

Not sure how where these WW/Hydrad wagons suddenly come from. I mean, these are not bad lynches, but I'll have to reread. I would usually fear scum driving attention away from Ichi, but with only one partner, I doubt they can manage such a shift... so it's probably just natural.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #439 on: March 10, 2015, 05:52:10 pm »

Eh. I feel that Ichi recalls that he usually gets in a big fight with me and tries to reproduce this meta here. He's making a big fuss over things I already responded to. It doesn't feel genuine.

I don't think he faked the townslip.  Only other option was his partner and him legitimately thought they were in multiball.  Do you think that likely?

I think it can be faked. Or it can be a wrong understanding of what multiball means.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #440 on: March 10, 2015, 05:53:42 pm »

Not sure how where these WW/Hydrad wagons suddenly come from. I mean, these are not bad lynches, but I'll have to reread. I would usually fear scum driving attention away from Ichi, but with only one partner, I doubt they can manage such a shift... so it's probably just natural.
Um. Did anyone aside from you and ADK ever think I was scum? I don't think there was ever really any real attention on me; and therefore no way that said attention could theoretically be diverted. It doesn't feel like you think I'm scum--it feels like your're pretending and doing a poor job of it.

ftr. I made a  note of how quickly Hydrad's wagon grew.

PPE: Please. I know what multiball means. It's like multiple scumteams that are competing with each other.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #441 on: March 10, 2015, 05:53:47 pm »

Why I voted Ichi:

Well, isn't this a typical Ichi? Why would scum!me be "purposefully dishonest"? I mean, scum!me would probably try to genuinely scumhunt here. I voted for you because your role seemed to be meh for town, but for scum it's a cool role that requires high-level play to get the most use out of it, and I know that's a thing Archetype likes, so it seemed more likely to me that he would give this role to scum. Also, reactions, which we now obviously got.

See earlier response. Also, I feel that roles that would be "too good" for scum are also unlikely to be scum. The poison kill fits this very much, but to a smaller degree also Xerxes' role.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #442 on: March 10, 2015, 05:56:24 pm »

Not sure how where these WW/Hydrad wagons suddenly come from. I mean, these are not bad lynches, but I'll have to reread. I would usually fear scum driving attention away from Ichi, but with only one partner, I doubt they can manage such a shift... so it's probably just natural.
Um. Did anyone aside from you and ADK ever think I was scum? I don't think there was ever really any real attention on me; and therefore no way that said attention could theoretically be diverted. It doesn't feel like you think I'm scum--it feels like your're pretending and doing a poor job of it.

ftr. I made a  note of how quickly Hydrad's wagon grew.

PPE: Please. I know what multiball means. It's like multiple scumteams that are competing with each other.

Look. You've played with me as town, you've played with me as scum. Do you think scum!me plays like this? Cause I don't.

PS: I'm calling this the silverspawn defense from now on.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #443 on: March 10, 2015, 05:58:13 pm »



Also, joseph's pretty quiet for someone who's been basically declared an IC.



Been busy, going to reread soon, and give some proper thoughts.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #444 on: March 10, 2015, 06:00:01 pm »

So I'm scummy because...I don't see anything there.

What about WW's role?
Seriously, if you're voting me just because of my role, that is horrid.

PPE: We were just partners together in flavorless. You could be changing your scum playstyle because of that. I mostly think you're scum because of how you've tunneled me for virtually no reason and are refusing to give up. It feels lazy and subversive. I let Teproc talk me out of feeling this way about tunneling me in Musical Mafia--and it didn't exactly work out for me.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #445 on: March 10, 2015, 06:03:44 pm »

my current reads in my current lynchpool:

ADK - feels off... and I he had this untypically emotional fight with Ichi. And I don't like how fast he gave up upon Ichi's town slip. Also, his scum read on me came out of nowhere.
Hydrad - Hydrad is hard to read, but I don't like his recent play. Plus he's been blending in.
Awaclus - has been blending in even more
WW - I can't read WW
chairs - kind of blending in but also making sense. feels normal.
IG - feels really genuine. I think with scum!IG you usually feel like something is wrong.

I'll reread ADK

PS: I'm calling this the silverspawn defense from now on.

what exactly is "this"?

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #446 on: March 10, 2015, 06:12:52 pm »

what exactly is "this"?

"scum!me doesn't do this, so I have to be town"
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #447 on: March 10, 2015, 06:16:17 pm »

2.7 - role could definitely be scum, however only protective role, so probably not IMO.
A Drowned Kernel - role could be either, getting a null read
ashersky - cannot see how this is a scum role, good town player
XerxesPraelor - kind of think this is too good for scum, so I think town
Hydrad - role could be either, logic with faust thing seems a bit weak.
Awaclus - could definitely been scum role, "If I was partners with XP, I would kill silverspawn." seems like a pointless statement, as I'm pretty sure XP is town. Not too much else to go on.
faust - role could be either, null read on posts.
Joseph2302 - me
silverspawn - role could be either, posts don't seem very scummy to me.
Witherweaver - can you target scum with this role? If so, seems scummy role. But play hasn't been scummy.
chairs - needed for the plan, role could be scummy, but his play doesn't seem scummy to me
Ichimaru Gin - possible scum role. Seems pretty defensive.

PPE: Lots (3?)
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #448 on: March 10, 2015, 06:21:34 pm »

I'm not joking.  It is bad.

In what world is voting bad?
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #449 on: March 10, 2015, 06:25:55 pm »

so, ADk, was
- fighting the massclaim
- voting for XP because he claimed
- overjustifies his actions
- says Ichi has a super towny role, but then he votes Ichi after he makes a good post, and then there is this huge fight with him.
- then there's the town slip reaction

well and now he put Hydrad at L-2 put unvoted in the same post because Hydrad... made a response?

well, a lot of that isn't necessarily scummy. but it seems different from how he usually plays.

For now, I still like my vote on Hydrad
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