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[ashersky]

Scum!ww thinks things through if he's fake claiming, I think.  Scum kills the cop and say he protected the IC or vice versa.

I think WW is town.

[Hydrad]

I think I like a lynch more then a no lynch right now.

If we lynch and we get a doctor protecting someone we can get a extra lynch. where if we no lynch and he misses a kill nothing really happens.

[A Drowned Kernel]

WW is probably town.

ash is the hard part. I know from Philosopher's Mafia that he is demonstrably capable of carrying out a crazy scum gambit like "claim cop, get my partner lynched, then try to ride out the towncred until the end," because he did that after I got lynched day one in that game. He got killed by the SK, but the point is he's willing to do it.

I think there might be a way to resolve it, actually, that involves no-lynching, but I think it assumes that scum strongman killed faust. I'll have to look at it later when I have more time.

In a vacuum, I find Silverspawn and sudgy scummier than Hydrad or ash, but I'm not discounting the possibilities.

[ashersky]

Silverspawn's hammer on D1 is scummier than sudgy missing the lynch on D3, I think.

I prefer a Silverspawn lynch at this point.

I don't know what to think about hydrad, though.

[silverspawn]

Silverspawn's hammer on D1 is scummier than sudgy missing the lynch on D3, I think.

I prefer a Silverspawn lynch at this point.

I don't know what to think about hydrad, though.

hammering scum is scummy?

[Hydrad]

I'm fine with either sudgy or SS. I think the chances are low that scum fakeclaimed.

I think SS is townier though as he was kinda crazy and brining attention to himself this game which feels slight towny to me from him.

So I'd rather a sudgy lynch today.

[sudgy]

So I'd rather a sudgy lynch today.

You think it's scummier to be pushing for your partner's lynch for ages instead of hammering them for the towncred when it looks like he's going to be lynched anyway?

[ashersky]

I am planning on a full reread Monday.

The end of D1, though, I originally thought silver hammered out of nowhere.  He did post before hand, sort of asking permission.

Scum often hammer partners for cred if possible.

[silverspawn]

I'm fine with either sudgy or SS. I think the chances are low that scum fakeclaimed.

I think SS is townier though as he was kinda crazy and brining attention to himself this game which feels slight towny to me from him.

So I'd rather a sudgy lynch today.

upvote, you are totally right.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Alright, here's what I came up with as an argument for a no-lynch:

The only way that scum has a full strongman is if both WW and ash are telling the truth. Scum wants to kill me as the only 100% IC, and I'm the obvious target for WW's protection, so if we no-lynch and I die, then that means either:

WW protected me and scum has full strongman (which means ash is telling the truth), or
WW is lying scum, (which also means ash is town)

This hinges on the assumption that scum strongman killed faust, which might be too big an assumption, but if we take it, a no-lynch leads to one of two things:

1) I die, but ash is a complete IC, and town still has two lynches to find scum
2) I live, and a non-me, non-ash person is eliminated from the voting pool

Now that I've considered this plan, I'm not sure I like it because I'm not sure that ash or WW being scum are high possibilities anyway, but I thought I'd at least put it out there to see what people think. And again, there is the slight possibility that WW was Roleblocked Night 1.

[2.71828.....]

Vote Count 4.1

silverspawn (1): sudgy

Not Voting (5): A Drowned Kernel, silverspawn, Witherweaver, Hydrad, Ashersky

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 will last 10 days. The deadline for Day 4 will be Sunday, January 18 at 6:30 pm forum time.

[ashersky]

Alright, here's what I came up with as an argument for a no-lynch:

The only way that scum has a full strongman is if both WW and ash are telling the truth. Scum wants to kill me as the only 100% IC, and I'm the obvious target for WW's protection, so if we no-lynch and I die, then that means either:

WW protected me and scum has full strongman (which means ash is telling the truth), or
WW is lying scum, (which also means ash is town)

This hinges on the assumption that scum strongman killed faust, which might be too big an assumption, but if we take it, a no-lynch leads to one of two things:

1) I die, but ash is a complete IC, and town still has two lynches to find scum
2) I live, and a non-me, non-ash person is eliminated from the voting pool

Now that I've considered this plan, I'm not sure I like it because I'm not sure that ash or WW being scum are high possibilities anyway, but I thought I'd at least put it out there to see what people think. And again, there is the slight possibility that WW was Roleblocked Night 1.

You are wrong in you beginning assumption.

CDDTTT has us all telling the truth and 1-shot strongman, for example.

[Witherweaver]

I did a little bit of rereading.. Silver doesn't seem all that likely to me from earlier D1.. especially interactions with Awaclus and Joseph.  Sudgy looks a little worse.  I'll try to find the quotes to substantiate tomorrow.

[silverspawn]

oh yeah, I'll need to vote: sudgy

[Hydrad]

I'm also fine with a Vote: sudgy

[sudgy]

Thinking back on it, I think it's Hydrad, not silverspawn.  There hasn't been much evidence for silverspawn, but Hydrad has just been silently riding it out.  Also, quickly rereading him, there's this:

oh interesting a claim. Hooray for action day 1!

I still see Joseph as scummy but don't see a real reason to lynch him today even if hes 90% scum as it doesn't really hurt us if we keep him alive for one night.

unvote for now.

which seems like "I see my partner as scummy but don't want to lynch him."

And then he just votes him later.

To get a lynch through I'll also vote for egork. I think hes kinda scummy anyways

"No!  Let's not lynch my partner!"

And, his vote for me just now seemed like "I need to wait until someone else votes so I don't look scummy for it..."

Also, both of the scum wagons he joined were early on when you didn't know what was going to happen yet.

[Hydrad]

Also I unvoted Joseph but I went back on him right away again within a page I think. I don't see how this part is scummy.

For the egork part that was when we were just a couple hours away from deadline. And it was looking like no one was getting lynched.

I had stated before Silvers vote that I would rather a sudgy lynch today. its not like I just voted you because someone agreed with me.

[sudgy]

Oh, I knew I forgot something from that post.  Vote: Hydrad.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Alright, here's what I came up with as an argument for a no-lynch:

The only way that scum has a full strongman is if both WW and ash are telling the truth. Scum wants to kill me as the only 100% IC, and I'm the obvious target for WW's protection, so if we no-lynch and I die, then that means either:

WW protected me and scum has full strongman (which means ash is telling the truth), or
WW is lying scum, (which also means ash is town)

This hinges on the assumption that scum strongman killed faust, which might be too big an assumption, but if we take it, a no-lynch leads to one of two things:

1) I die, but ash is a complete IC, and town still has two lynches to find scum
2) I live, and a non-me, non-ash person is eliminated from the voting pool

Now that I've considered this plan, I'm not sure I like it because I'm not sure that ash or WW being scum are high possibilities anyway, but I thought I'd at least put it out there to see what people think. And again, there is the slight possibility that WW was Roleblocked Night 1.

You are wrong in you beginning assumption.

CDDTTT has us all telling the truth and 1-shot strongman, for example.

You can both be telling the truth and there's a 1-shot strongman, but in order for there to be a full strongman you both have to be telling the truth- there isn't a five letter combination that leaves us with just a 1-shot doctor and a full doctor or a 1-shot doctor and a 1-shot cop.

If we enact this plan and someone other than me dies, that doesn't prove that one of ash or WW is lying, it's just that if we do and I do die, it proves they're both telling the truth (kind of, barring mafia having gotten a lucky RB)

[ashersky]

Starting my re-read from the beginning, focused on dead scum and remaining alive players that can be scum (hydrad/ww/ss/sudgy).

[ashersky]

Okay, I have Yule Ham and a Macintosh Laptop.

On top of scummy voting, and the crap vote for ADK on food, I will counter claim you right now.

I have the Yule Ham in my PM.

Unless two players submitted Yule ham (which seems improbable, given I don't think it's even a thing), we now have 100% caught scum.

Just choose, vote: Joseph2302 or me.

Remember when you all thought I was crazy for calling him out on the flavor thing?  And then he was scum.

[ashersky]

Calling scum teams day one is silly but if I had to guess it right now my guess would be chairs/faust/Silverspawn, and I'm okay lynching all those people right now.

Interesting, mine would probably be chairs/silverspawn/lurker (sudgy/Hydrad/Egor). I think lynching any on my lynch list would be okay right now, although there's still a few days for people to become townier.

Saying that, I seem to often think lurker = scum, and it's not always the case.

Early Joseph "scumteam" post.  Not that helpful.  If I had to guess, I'd say he included one of his partners in the (lurkers) section.

[ashersky]

my lynch pool for today is lurkers ∪ Joseph ∪ Awaclus. the first set is currently Sudgork and WW, but that could change.

Props.

[ashersky]

yay for stuff happening!

I like Vote: Joseph after rereading the past page.

Also silver when do you plan on actually voting

I'm missing how everyone is saying chairs is scummy. Feels more like chairs is just kinda having fun this game. Which is easier to do as town then as scum in my opinion.

I think this was kind of a towny post.

[ashersky]

Just to be clear, now we're agreed that my wagon is scummy?

I'm not totally convinced, but the general consensus is that chairs is an easy mislynch. Faust just feels scummy to me (for the combination of factors mentioned previously), in stark contrast to M53, when he seemed really towny to me.

Also, would like to see more posts from EgorK, and also WW/sudgy (although I know they're V/LA), think one of them is a lurky scummer.

For now, Unvote: chairs and Vote: Faust.

Joseph pointing out lurkers again.