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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #225 on: October 15, 2014, 01:14:05 am »

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #226 on: October 15, 2014, 05:35:59 am »

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

1) you already were voting me

2) I am at "shoot-1" so I think I should defend myself just a little

3) No one else has posted anything about anything for almost 24 hours except what you just posted

So  my question at this point is whether you were almost just a careless hammer, or manipulative scum trying to seem innocent about a hammer.  I think the latter. 

vote: Eevee
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #227 on: October 15, 2014, 05:40:08 am »

We should not be lynching e. Nothing has been happening in the past few days, and I doubt scm would just let their partner go down that easily.

Eevee maybe, but I'm much more convinced about WW.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #228 on: October 15, 2014, 09:23:47 am »

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #229 on: October 15, 2014, 09:29:31 am »

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #230 on: October 15, 2014, 09:30:47 am »

We should not be lynching e. Nothing has been happening in the past few days, and I doubt scm would just let their partner go down that easily.

Eevee maybe, but I'm much more convinced about WW.

Convinced about how awesomely town I am?
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #231 on: October 15, 2014, 10:11:50 am »

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.

But town should be defending themselves, and it's an argument you literally cannot argue against.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #232 on: October 15, 2014, 10:13:18 am »

Yeah it's not a scumtell at all. Well it might be for some people but it's generally way overblown an argument (see : Hydrad in Legend of Zelda)
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #233 on: October 15, 2014, 10:13:41 am »

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?

Wait, who was the L-1 thing about?  e?
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #234 on: October 15, 2014, 11:03:50 am »

Yes. I think he was at L-1.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #235 on: October 15, 2014, 11:52:11 am »

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.

But town should be defending themselves, and it's an argument you literally cannot argue against.
Problem isn't defending. It's overreacting to suspicion.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #236 on: October 15, 2014, 12:50:55 pm »

Yeah, I'm less and less convinced about e.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #237 on: October 15, 2014, 01:01:47 pm »

Honestly its just a thought and a pretty lame one. But this game has a higher then 50% winrate if town just randomly shoots someone every time.

It might be better to just ignore votes and stuff as mafia can influence it so much.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #238 on: October 15, 2014, 01:02:36 pm »

Honestly its just a thought and a pretty lame one. But this game has a higher then 50% winrate if town just randomly shoots someone every time.

It might be better to just ignore votes and stuff as mafia can influence it so much.

You're right, that is lame.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #239 on: October 15, 2014, 01:10:17 pm »

But it's basically sure that we can get a better win rate if we actually look for scum. The %50 is just a minimum.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #240 on: October 15, 2014, 01:21:56 pm »

Er, so I just looked at the wiki entry, and what's scum's actual win condition for this setup? Town can't technically be endgamed, since there's no lynch; if it ever got to one town, he could just shoot all the scum. So I assume scum wins when they outnumber town but it would be nice to know what it is precisely.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #241 on: October 15, 2014, 01:25:20 pm »

Er, so I just looked at the wiki entry, and what's scum's actual win condition for this setup? Town can't technically be endgamed, since there's no lynch; if it ever got to one town, he could just shoot all the scum. So I assume scum wins when they outnumber town but it would be nice to know what it is precisely.

They have to get a majority, including equality. 
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #242 on: October 15, 2014, 01:25:52 pm »

It's included in the sample games that are linked on the wiki.  At least the one I looked at.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #243 on: October 15, 2014, 01:26:45 pm »

Er, so I just looked at the wiki entry, and what's scum's actual win condition for this setup? Town can't technically be endgamed, since there's no lynch; if it ever got to one town, he could just shoot all the scum. So I assume scum wins when they outnumber town but it would be nice to know what it is precisely.

I believe its when they tie or out number town. Then I'm just going to imagine they all jump the notebook bearer and the town people can't stop them from stealing the book back since they no longer outnumber scum.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #244 on: October 15, 2014, 01:27:15 pm »

Yeah that's what it looks like. And the fact that scum wins at equality is important.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #245 on: October 15, 2014, 01:28:07 pm »

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

1) you already were voting me

2) I am at "shoot-1" so I think I should defend myself just a little

3) No one else has posted anything about anything for almost 24 hours except what you just posted

So  my question at this point is whether you were almost just a careless hammer, or manipulative scum trying to seem innocent about a hammer.  I think the latter. 

vote: Eevee

I actually think this is a kind of good point.  It's sort of accepted meta that town is much less careful than scum is, so scum can try to appear less careful.  Eevee's post looks a bit like the latter, especially considering he was already voting for e, and if he weren't, then it would have been a hammer. 
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #246 on: October 15, 2014, 01:29:18 pm »

So it's 7-4 now; we only have two missed shots before "MyLo". 
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #247 on: October 15, 2014, 01:30:31 pm »

So it's 7-4 now; we only have two missed shots before "MyLo".

but every time we hit scum we get a extra shot to miss before we lose again.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #248 on: October 15, 2014, 01:31:06 pm »

So it's 7-4 now; we only have two missed shots before "MyLo".

but every time we hit scum we get a extra shot to miss before we lose again.

Basically, yeah.  But we need to hit one in the first three.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #249 on: October 15, 2014, 01:33:26 pm »

That shouldn't be hard. Unlike normal games, the shooter has about a 1/3 - 1/2 chance, which is pretty high.
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