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[Eevee]

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

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e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

1) you already were voting me

2) I am at "shoot-1" so I think I should defend myself just a little

3) No one else has posted anything about anything for almost 24 hours except what you just posted

So  my question at this point is whether you were almost just a careless hammer, or manipulative scum trying to seem innocent about a hammer.  I think the latter. 

vote: Eevee

[Teproc]

We should not be lynching e. Nothing has been happening in the past few days, and I doubt scm would just let their partner go down that easily.

Eevee maybe, but I'm much more convinced about WW.

[XerxesPraelor]

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?

[Eevee]

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?

What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.

[Witherweaver]

We should not be lynching e. Nothing has been happening in the past few days, and I doubt scm would just let their partner go down that easily.

Eevee maybe, but I'm much more convinced about WW.

Convinced about how awesomely town I am?

[XerxesPraelor]

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?

What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.

But town should be defending themselves, and it's an argument you literally cannot argue against.

[Teproc]

Yeah it's not a scumtell at all. Well it might be for some people but it's generally way overblown an argument (see : Hydrad in Legend of Zelda)

[Witherweaver]

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?

Wait, who was the L-1 thing about?  e?

[XerxesPraelor]

Yes. I think he was at L-1.

[Eevee]

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?

What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.

But town should be defending themselves, and it's an argument you literally cannot argue against.

Problem isn't defending. It's overreacting to suspicion.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Yeah, I'm less and less convinced about e.

[Hydrad]

Honestly its just a thought and a pretty lame one. But this game has a higher then 50% winrate if town just randomly shoots someone every time.

It might be better to just ignore votes and stuff as mafia can influence it so much.

[Teproc]

Honestly its just a thought and a pretty lame one. But this game has a higher then 50% winrate if town just randomly shoots someone every time.

It might be better to just ignore votes and stuff as mafia can influence it so much.

You're right, that is lame.

[XerxesPraelor]

But it's basically sure that we can get a better win rate if we actually look for scum. The %50 is just a minimum.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Er, so I just looked at the wiki entry, and what's scum's actual win condition for this setup? Town can't technically be endgamed, since there's no lynch; if it ever got to one town, he could just shoot all the scum. So I assume scum wins when they outnumber town but it would be nice to know what it is precisely.

[Witherweaver]

Er, so I just looked at the wiki entry, and what's scum's actual win condition for this setup? Town can't technically be endgamed, since there's no lynch; if it ever got to one town, he could just shoot all the scum. So I assume scum wins when they outnumber town but it would be nice to know what it is precisely.

They have to get a majority, including equality. 

[Witherweaver]

It's included in the sample games that are linked on the wiki.  At least the one I looked at.

[Hydrad]

Er, so I just looked at the wiki entry, and what's scum's actual win condition for this setup? Town can't technically be endgamed, since there's no lynch; if it ever got to one town, he could just shoot all the scum. So I assume scum wins when they outnumber town but it would be nice to know what it is precisely.

I believe its when they tie or out number town. Then I'm just going to imagine they all jump the notebook bearer and the town people can't stop them from stealing the book back since they no longer outnumber scum.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Yeah that's what it looks like. And the fact that scum wins at equality is important.

[Witherweaver]

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

1) you already were voting me

2) I am at "shoot-1" so I think I should defend myself just a little

3) No one else has posted anything about anything for almost 24 hours except what you just posted

So  my question at this point is whether you were almost just a careless hammer, or manipulative scum trying to seem innocent about a hammer.  I think the latter. 

vote: Eevee

I actually think this is a kind of good point.  It's sort of accepted meta that town is much less careful than scum is, so scum can try to appear less careful.  Eevee's post looks a bit like the latter, especially considering he was already voting for e, and if he weren't, then it would have been a hammer. 

[Witherweaver]

So it's 7-4 now; we only have two missed shots before "MyLo". 

[Hydrad]

So it's 7-4 now; we only have two missed shots before "MyLo".

but every time we hit scum we get a extra shot to miss before we lose again.

[Witherweaver]

So it's 7-4 now; we only have two missed shots before "MyLo".

but every time we hit scum we get a extra shot to miss before we lose again.

Basically, yeah.  But we need to hit one in the first three.

[XerxesPraelor]

That shouldn't be hard. Unlike normal games, the shooter has about a 1/3 - 1/2 chance, which is pretty high.