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[sudgy]

Sorry, but Vote: No on rule 354.  I feel like this won't really add much to the game, and I don't see how it could.  I would rather work on the existing mechanics than add new ones I don't see a benefit to.

[mail-mi]

Vote: No on rule 354

Rule does not pass, 8/12 no's.

I declare it to be florrat's turn.

[Voltaire]

Updating in progress!

[Voltaire]

Grujah was charged for his unit and the tracking spreadsheet updated. I believe those were the only changes needed.

Now that I'm not creeping on these forums 24/7, I'm going to use my next rule to create officers/some sort of titles for people to keep track of each thing so we don't accidentally lose track.

[Voltaire]

Oh, mail-mi and EFHW both have colors! I took that part out of the rules as stated.

[florrat]

My current proposal is

Once per turn, the current player may spend 1 IP to spawn a treasure chest in any empty location. He does this by posting Treasure chest at ## where ## is the name of the tile where the treasure chest is spawned. This tile cannot be entered by any unit until the end of the turn.

When any unit enters a location with a treasure chest, the owner of that unit rolls 1d200. The result is added to that player's amount of Nomic dollars.

Remarks:
-A location is empty if it does not contain a unit, a treasure chest, or any future object. Should this be clarified?
-Initially I wanted to penalize spawning a treasure chest close to you (specifically: I wanted to make it only possible to spawn a treasure chest in a location which is furthest from any unit). I think that is not necessary, since you're not allowed to pick up the treasure you spawned that turn.
-I think this already creates nontrivial decisions when combined with the Proximity rule. If you want to use the proximity rule every turn, then you can't spawn the TC too far away, but if you spawn it too close, someone else might grab it (perhaps when giving up the proximity points). If you put it in a location where you need exactly 4 moves to grab it, others might block you. There can be kingmaking: maybe player A cannot grab a specific treasure chest, but might decide who can pick it up (by blocking the other player), and people can bride others with small amounts of Nomic dollars to block or not block.

Ideas, thought and comments are welcome!

[scott_pilgrim]

So why would someone spawn a treasure chest?  I guess because he gets a deal from someone else (i.e. someone says "I'll pay you N$100 to spawn a treasure chest next to me" or whatever)?  That seems okay.

I think it would be much more interesting if the amount of money in the treasure chest were determined (and announced) when the chest is spawned, not when it's opened.  Then I have to decide, do I go for the far away one that's worth more, or the closer one that's worth less, etc.  And then you don't end up traveling across the board only to find out that chest was worth N$3.

[sudgy]

I think just randomly spawning chests every turn or something would be better.  I would just always spawn one on me and get money for it.

[Voltaire]

I don't care strongly about the specifics but I like the concept, so I'm likely a yes vote no matter what.

[Jimmmmm]

Now that I'm not creeping on these forums 24/7, I'm going to use my next rule to create officers/some sort of titles for people to keep track of each thing so we don't accidentally lose track.

I agree with this. We should have official elected paid positions.

[Grujah]

Named after Dominion cards, for example, one updating the map is the Cartographer

[Jimmmmm]

I think just randomly spawning chests every turn or something would be better.  I would just always spawn one on me and get money for it.

You can't do that, since it can't be opened the turn that you play it.

One issue with florrat's proposal: assuming everyone spawns in treasure chest per turn. That will mean that on average N$100 will be entering the system every turn. If this is the case, there should be a similar amount leaving the system every turn. I think one way to make the game really boring is for everyone to have plenty of money.

[Grujah]

HEAVY taxing for the rich people!

[Jimmmmm]

A taxing system could be interesting if we created a pool of communal money which we then voted on how to use.

[Grujah]

A taxing system could be interesting if we created a pool of communal money which we then voted on how to use.

I like it.

[florrat]

@scott_pilgrim: "Why would you want to spawn a treasure chest?"
A: As said, you can make a deal with others. But perhaps more often, you can put it in a location not reachable by anyone else in one turn. I think this is possible fairly often, except when you're clumped in the middle of the board, and this rule was meant to provide incentives against clumping. For example: you can make a TC in C13 in your turn, and move 2 steps towards it, and no unit on the board will be able to get it. If you want I can add a clause that newly created units cannot pick up treasure chests on their first turn, so that the treasure chest will be guaranteed to be yours (barring rule changes). Maybe that's a good idea, especially if we will be able to place more than 1 unit on the board per player.

@Jimmmmm: yeah, maybe adding N$100 to the system is a bit much, but I want that the starting amounts of money isn't worth that much. For example, under the current rules we can survive for 100 rounds without getting any income, which will take years. So yeah: some new expenses need to be added, but that should be done even without this new income.

[EFHW]

Now that I'm not creeping on these forums 24/7, I'm going to use my next rule to create officers/some sort of titles for people to keep track of each thing so we don't accidentally lose track.

I agree with this. We should have official elected paid positions.

I like the idea too.  If we don't want to deal with elections, we could make them rotating positions.

[EFHW]

A taxing system could be interesting if we created a pool of communal money which we then voted on how to use.

I like it.

A good school system, health care, public safety.  Absolutely!

[EFHW]

Not loving the make treasure chest idea.  What if we had some kind of exploration, like in Civilization, where unexplored terrain is obscured by fog, and exploring could uncover treasure chests, and maybe other things, too.

[Jimmmmm]

I have a better idea than having money in chests: you could have some sort of commodity in the chests, like food or something, which can either be used or taken somewhere to exchange for money.

[florrat]

Create G10

I'm just going to finally propose my draft, since most comments were about things I could not propose this turn anymore, since they weren't in my draft. The only change is that new units cannot pick up treasure chests (and saying that this rule overrules the previous rule, because otherwise my movement restriction wouldn't have any effect)

Final Proposal for Rule 355: Once per turn, the current player may spend 1 IP to spawn a treasure chest in any empty location. He does this by posting Treasure chest at ## where ## is the name of the tile where the treasure chest is spawned. This tile cannot be entered by any unit until the end of the turn. Also, units cannot be created on locations with treasure chests or move to locations with treasure chests on the turn they are created. The previous two sentences overrule any rule allowing for such movement or creation.

When any unit enters a location with a treasure chest, the owner of that unit rolls 1d200. The result is added to that player's amount of Nomic dollars.

[Jimmmmm]

Okay, some ideas:

Whenever money is earned or transferred, the receiver owes a certain percentage of tax. They have to send a unit of theirs to a location on the map, the Tax Office to pay what they owe. Maybe interest is charged, or maybe there are penalties for having a certain amount of debt.

This money is used to pay our elected officials (people like the map updater and tax collector etc), and can also be used, after a vote of course, to pay for communal roads, buildings etc to be built. They can only be built by units, so we'd have to use it to pay whoever's willing to spare their units to complete the task, as well as for the materials to do so.

Roads can be a super useful way of getting around; maybe you can purchase or build a bike which lets your unit move twice per IP, but only if on a road.

I'm also thinking that maybe a bigger map is in order.

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: No on 355, sorry. I think we can do better than a direct source of money, such as my suggestion for a different commodity that can be exchanged for money.

[liopoil]

Vote: Yes on 355

[Jack Rudd]

Vote: Yes on 355