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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Interview with Donald X.
« on: July 03, 2024, 12:07:48 pm »There is. The rulebook enforces setup when those things are necessary. And for a case more real than Duchy, Rats cannot be gained by a Black Market Rats, but they can from a Ferryman Rats.So hold on... is it currently the case that if you get a Rats from Black Market, it will still gain you more Rats when played, due to the rule being that if you're instructed to gain a specific card then you do, even if it's not in the supply? I don't think I remember this being discussed back when the remove "from its pile" errata was first announced.
*Edit*, or, based on Donald X's last post, is "a non-Supply card" a card that specifically says it's a non-Supply card (Horses, etc)? Or is it any card that happens to not be in the Supply in this current game?
As Donald wrote above, the rule is: When a card tells you to gain a non-Supply card by name, you can gain it from its pile, even though it's not in the Supply.
So Rats can gain a Rats from the Rats pile, not from the box.
And actually, "gain a Duchy" does not mean "gain a Duchy from the Supply", it means "gain a Duchy from the Duchy pile". If Duchy could have been chosen for Ferryman's non-supply pile, Transmute could gain it from there.
The only thing stopping Transmute from gaining Duchies left in the box in 2-player games, has to be the clause that it can only gain cards from their pile.
It seems this still requires further rulebook clarification (that may already exist, I don't know) to tell us that card not taken out of the Box do not constitute "a pile". Does this work for Horses and Spoils? Are there rules specifically saying to take Horses and Spoils out of the box and make a pile of them if anything used this game can gain one?