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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 31, 2019, 06:46:17 am »

But also, since you really haven't had the time to do some sincere scumhunting and don't have strong reads, surely you wouldn't mind not voting today?

mail-mi not voting is one of the worst things he could do this day, a replacement's vote has a lot of value, he can read the game free of biases, thus getting a clearer vision on what happened; this obviously helps when scumhunting.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I see a shraeye!raerae scum team...just look at their interactions:

- raerae asks for shraeye's reason for voting me, he doesn't give it, she's annoyed; this is so easily orchestrated by two scum wanting to look like they're interacting with each other, but really, why did raerae have to ask that? There's no way shraeye would simply answer, this was a waste of time.

- pushes for a shraeye!MiX scumteam, votes shraeye first then me; all the talk about shraeye's suspicious in itself: sure they know each other IRL but "he's dangerous as scum, exceedingly dangerous" is...excessive, then there's the "if shraeye flips scum MiX's next" which could very well be "if my scumpartner dies let's mislynch someone".

- keeps throwing shade on me while voting for shraeye (#191 is a great example of this); easily explainable if you see that she's preparing to jump on my wagon.

- more interaction between them that leads nowhere, now about shraeye's (new) case on me, admits he's right; a much better question to ask here would be "why did you pick 3 people to guess?" but that would make shraeye have to answer it; he eventually does, but not due to raerae.

- votes for me, the tipping point? My interaction with shraeye...which would at best point to a shraeye!MiX team. She points out more, but most of it is sheeping other's cases...although they're right, I don't like how she swapped BECAUSE of a slip that could only exist in shraeye!MiX, for me this was an excuse to ditch her vote on shraeye and start pushing my wagon. This is all in #329.

- tells faust shraeye's case depended on me being scum...then why did she vote for shraeye? Again, this feels like creating interaction out of thin air.

- says her case on me is (and I quote) "shows knowledge of shraeye's intent pre-game". And...? Did she forget everything else she said? At this point she's voting for me because...what, the only person on shraeye's wagon is me? I would totally take that opportunity of scum bussing each other and lynch...the most dangerous one (note how, in her PoV, we're both bussing); she already admited shraeye's more dangerous...my answer? She wants an active player out of the game and a player whose meta she knows in.

Much more interested in a shraeye lynch, but this is looking much better...again, I ask all of you to review this and point out any flaws. Unlike shraeye, I haven't read previous raerae games, but she seems more active than him, maybe this brings out her meta more? I fear I can make these cases on everyone now...so please, destroy this and shraeye's case so I can improve as a player (or sheep if they're actually good  ).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 30, 2019, 08:08:28 pm »

So for fun let's look at the two biggest wagons. 

looks at MiX and raerae's wagons

Don't forget about LaLight!


I should probably step in: I'm fine with a LaLight lynch, but I would much prefer a shraeye lynch...I've been rereading some of his games, what I've concluded thus far is that he's much more consistent as scum, whereas he jokes way more as town. Now, I've only read 3 games, but I think this is a decent pool for me to get a taste of his meta...I'd love to hear the opinions from anyone who has more information on shraeye's meta (especially raerae). This meta matches with scum!shraeye this game, in fact, I'm confident enough to make a case:

- His initial vote on me is classic scumhunting: obvious, low effort and pro-town, I see this as scummy, since he doesn't do much between this and saying the reason.

- When stating his reason on his first vote, he compounds this with my flailing, saying that I went back and forth on his case; then, when I defended it, he essencially disregarded it, using it to further his scumread: I believe no one would do this as town; yes, WIFOM states that scum wouldn't do it either, but shraeye has definitly commited to mislynch me, at worst he doesn't have to make a good case on someone else, at best he gets a free mislynch based on towny's cases on me.

- Throws a lot of shade on uncle, especially for "looking for scummy things" against EFHW; I think that was towny from Uncle, as I was doing the same, I never said anything because I hadn't found enough, but uncle clearly thought otherwise, EFHW was an unscrutinized player and needed some pressure.

- Gives a townread on raerae, which is a very safe play, as she said (he would be called out if he hadn't said it), and...I don't see any more scumreads. For me this signals he very clearly intends to mislynch me today and will figure out the rest as he goes along, which is fine, scum only needs 1 scumread per day.

All in all, what I would expect as scum, almost TOO perfectly. Everyone, please tell me all the confirmation bias I am in, I have to admit I've never done a case on scum before, not of this importance, usually all that was needed was "oh he's fakeclaiming, lynch"; I would love EVERYONE's opinion on this.


mail-mi, ewww on that raerae vote, no explanation at this stage of the day is bad, as raerae posted, no one has good cases on her, if she's scum you'll need to convince people to join her wagon man.

And just to be clear, I also reread DatSwan and LaLight and I find both of them to be scummy.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 30, 2019, 03:07:53 pm »

answers debatepro

You said you didn't want big arguments this game right? I suggest you don't push this, I doubt it helps anyone, especially you.

@DatSwan, why is your vote still on mail-mi?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 30, 2019, 11:05:11 am »

Especially, when MiX has played in a way that is often considered 'book' scum. A town wouldn't do that, a scum might be over the top about it because the "no scum would be so overt" is a compelling to most but a flawed argument.

Can you point out my obvious scum ways? Actually you can't, since they don't exist...oh, I wonder how this will be interpreted.

Debatepro, do you think silverspawn is scum? What about me?

As a newb, I kind of feel I only have enough energy and confidence in my ability be outspoken about one highly regarded and good player in D1. And only when I had an initial early perception/read and I felt like it was confirmed.

And who is that? Not ss, I'm assuming...not faust either...if you had said it before I apologize, but I don't think you did.

ss's defence on me almost splits the day in two, the before and after reply #444. This consolidates my townread on ss.

What? All silver did in #444 was reiterate what I had already said.

Huh? Sure, you said my wagon is bad but not in the way ss did, he explained it further, in a way that I think everyone understands. If you have examples for you saying the same, show me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 30, 2019, 08:29:03 am »

ss's defence on me almost splits the day in two, the before and after reply #444. This consolidates my townread on ss.

Smashes ss's defence on me & other things

@Debatepro, do you think ss is scummy for that defence?

@raerae, after ss's defence, do you still think your vote belongs on me? If so, why?

@EFHW, why haven't you voted...ever? What are you waiting for, the perfect scumread? The perfect case? Hammer?

@DatSwan, you still haven't finished the summary...at this point, the early people are outdated...like EFHW, I think there's more to say about her now. Oh and shraeye. And do you think lying about being town is above third_party!faust?

@faust, do you think that EFHW behavior matches town!EFHW or scum!EFHW? Or could it relate to activity, thus null? I've never seen her do such a low effort game (sorry!), not sure what to think about it.

@shraeye, Lynch All Lurkers and not lynching someone because they're active are very different, the difference lies in what happens with the people in betweeen: in the first one, they're safe, in the second one, they aren't. Who else do you have a scumread on? (Or as you would put it, who's a scumbuddy with me?)

So it turns out I have too much homework tonight and won't be able to catch up. Tomorrow looks to be a little clearer so we'll see what happens. I'm sorry, I didn't realize I'd be this busy

You are the key to this day, never give up.


I'll need to reread a bunch of people, hopefully I follow through and post my thoughts on them.

PPE 2: "mixed on MiX", finally, I was waiting for that even since the day started

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 29, 2019, 03:39:50 pm »

MiX, how do you justify your early buddying? For example:

arishpshape posts EXACTLY how I would post my first post in my first game, therefore he is town

You really post like me...I like your style! Besides, even without the newbie pass, I still consider you town, I believe scum would talk to their summates first, diminishing that "first post" feel when they do talk in public, at least for a new person.

I am blatantly buddying you aren't I? I should prepare myself for when you're scum...

I don't know how to say that you post like I would. I got a good townread feel that hasn't died out over time, in fact, the more you talk, the more I see the connection to your first posts, which only strengthens it.

I knew I would be accused of buddying you after giving you that massive townread, so I said it. If you have further questions, say so.

shraeye, you missed one question:

re: flailing: It's true that MiX answers every comment immediately. I'm not sure that counts as flailing, though. I'd like to hear more of why Shraeye picked that word.

I've covered this

Oh flailing like a flag! Completely missed it.

Seconded. Scum loves all this attention on MiX.

Why are you defending MiX? Do you think he's town? If so, say it clearly, and give justification.

Yes, I think he's town. I think he's a capable player and it would have been so easy to not bring all this attention on himself. Plus the way people refuse to move away from that wagon shows that scum isn't interested in alternatives.

"MiX is a capable player" and "he has a persistent wagon" isn't gonna cut it. I'm sure people are willing to move away from the MiX wagon, if presented with a more scummy figure. Are you volunteering yourself?

"a more scummy figure" is shraeye, DatSwan...and Joseph? Mostly the first two.

@faust, what do you think of shraeye?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 29, 2019, 03:15:13 pm »

As a new player, aren't there some advantages to pulling the trigger a bit earlier than expected if you are fairly certain? I mean...  doesn't it give their scum!buddies a chance to build an alternative narrative impacting future votes.

Let's be honest, it's MiX, why keep them around? If you are their scum!buddy you have read the writing on the wall and you want to keep the day going long enough to build some alternative narratives. And if we're wrong... I'm not sure its a huge loss.

This is nothing against MiX, I'll be the first one to pour one out for them if they are town and put on the dunce hat. I think some of the issues are a change in the speed of the game compared to what they are used to and the available time.

I will not accept being the mislynch: I am very easily the most active player in the entire game, removing me from the game now is the biggest mistake town could make.

What do you mean pull the trigger? Hammer? Not enough people are certain I'm the correct lynch for that, next time try to say I'm scummy instead of saying I should get lynched "to pull the trigger earlier".

I am being very defensive here: I'm still the biggest wagon and my scumreads barely have any votes on them, getting desperate.

shraeye, you missed one question:

re: flailing: It's true that MiX answers every comment immediately. I'm not sure that counts as flailing, though. I'd like to hear more of why Shraeye picked that word.

People suspicious of DatSwan, can you produce a convincing case on him? I'll try to do the same for shraeye.

PPE 3: Joseph, is that all you have? If you really think raerae's scummy, surely you can say why, right?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 29, 2019, 02:32:53 pm »

Uncle's town, his case on me is outstandly solid yet he dropped his vote on me,

Wait what?

I'm not sure if shraeye's case is towny or not...some things are dead on
while others are clearly misinterpreting what I've said:

Wait what?

I just like to say the truth

Aka, just because I'm town, it doesn't mean every case on me is 100% wrong; I have to admit, I did some things that can be interpreted as scummy, the most obvious one was not mentioning buddying is scummy (which Uncle immediatly caught on), what's wrong with it?

I'll withhold my thoughts on the rest of your posts untill you are done; please state so.

PPE 4

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 29, 2019, 02:26:29 pm »

Now what do I think?

The buddying of Ari has turned into a play-acting of psychotic stalker who sees a relationship that isn't there. It's funny, but it's also obfuscating. What does he really think? If you are trying to scumhunt, you usually leave more room for uncertainty, and it's rare for town to town!tunnel someone, especially based on their first post.

re: flailing: It's true that MiX answers every comment immediately. I'm not sure that counts as flailing, though. I'd like to hear more of why Shraeye picked that word.

I really don't follow the "meaning/purpose vs. reason" distinction. I get that MiX wants to say the vote was intended to pressure him (meaning) but was silent on what provoked it (reason). He's trying to say that when he looked closer, he saw the intended purpose. But it really sounded at the time like he thought he knew the provocation. OTOH, what does scum!MiX gain from pretending to know something he doesn't?

re: raerae: The MiX/Shraeye QT theory seems really implausible. They could share a QT, but I don't see this as evidence of that at all. It's also odd when raerae defends MiX at 176, saying maybe he was reading quickly and thought he saw a reason that wasn't there. How would that happen? She seems all over the place about MiX.

Time to answer this immediatly...

I'm essencially trying to coach ari by now, that's how far my townread has gotten; I also believe I'm just falling for the sunk cost fallacy TOO much, but...everything he says seems to come from the same perspective, nothing is hidden, everything is clear, how could he be scum, tell me, how, I think I'm going crazy here.

I'm VERY active, which is why I answer things instantly, why would I wait?

If you have better words to distinguish between meaning and reason, I'm happy to incorporate them in my speech, otherwise I'll keep using these ambiguous terms. There is no way I could've known what shraeye thought I was scummy for, so at best scum!me would be lying, and for what?

That theory is paranoid town behavior, who would plan a scumread on a scumbuddy in N0? And how, I can't see how that would be possible.

I would add this to a general self-consciousness I have noticed in MiX's posts throughout. He's focused so much on being witty, though, that I can't tell if that is the source of the self-csness or if it is a guilty conscience.

It's my first game, I wanna set a standard for my posting, and I have a LOT of free time; I can think about everything in peace, pretty cool to be honest.

That's exactly the answer I was looking for: good, you didn't come up with a lie.

What lie could I have made up and why would I?

None, I didn't think of a better way to acknowledge your answer. As I said to Uncle, I had already answered it myself, so I had nothing else to say about it.

Defensiveness implies a guilty conscience.

Oh. The way I see it, even town can be defensive because the town doesn't want to die either. If we lynch town, we lost a town member and didn't lynch scum, which would be a disaster. Thus, I see no issues with defensiveness.

I would say town only cares about dismantling their wagon, otherwise they're not in a lot of danger.

PPE 3: I didn't see any "oh I could be wrong" or "hey someone else is scummy" shraeye, maybe you could...I don't know...do something else other than tunnel me? that would be great!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 29, 2019, 01:43:07 pm »

In addition, you two seem to be arbitrarily ganging up on me, with the "why so defensive" and the demonizing my defense. Whats wrong with defense? moat defends.

By the way, I never demonized anything. I asked a question, and you answered. If anything it seems like you are demonizing my asking that question.

Sense when has asking "why are you being so defensive" not been implying that it is improperly placed defense? There is no right answer to that question!

Ah, almost missed this is also aimed at me, you haven't actually said why you were defending, but I don't think there's a towny way to answer it. I would still like to see your attempt.

Ariship’s pile of posts in the past page are making it a lot harder to ignore the bizarre 180 from before. Despite other people’s opinions about how town they assume him to be, I can’t help but think he is a bit too shady.

What does ari's recent posts have to do with something he did way before?

The RVS (stands for random, right) vote just demonstrates I wasn't in the scum section of the wagon.

You unvoted me and then revoted me, which means your vote wasn't random; stating that it was is...scummy...

Defensiveness is incredibly important, because if I don't defend myself a non scum dies.

Does this mean that defending actively kills scum? You're not even close to being a lynch target...why would you say this?

Whats wrong with defense?

Defense does not help your scumhunting.

MiX buddyed me, the noob. I suspect it was an early attempt to get me on his side. For instance, saying I remind him/her/whatever (crap, I do need pronouns) of him/her/whatever, and saying he/she/whatever liked my style. I imagine MiX thought my noobness would make me like him and defend him and not vote for him. If I am right, he/she/whatever was wrong.

I am not this naive: buddying someone does not make a townread back, although I wish it did so I wouldn't have to do this post. I like your arrogance by saying that you're right and I'm wrong, precisely what I expected from you.

is anyone other than you asking a lot of questions?

I am and you just did, so...



Is there anything else I forgot to mention?

PPE 3: EFHW, I somewhat buried this question, but:

EFHW hasn't done much, maybe she doesn't have a lot of availability, but everything seems low effort...I guess I'll ask her a question: If you don't want to disclose your townreads, can you at least say your scumreads?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 29, 2019, 11:28:29 am »

Ariship’s pile of posts in the past page are making it a lot harder to ignore the bizarre 180 from before. Despite other people’s opinions about how town they assume him to be, I can’t help but think he is a bit too shady.

Vote: AIRship

See what you did ari? Your defensiveness is your undoing! How can I defend you when you do such scummy things? I continue to refuse this would be anything noob!scum does, but it's getting harder to say that by the minute.

Ariship’s pile of posts in the past page are making it a lot harder to ignore the bizarre 180 from before. Despite other people’s opinions about how town they assume him to be, I can’t help but think he is a bit too shady.

Vote: AIRship

180 from what to what?

Uncle already explained that before, your defence on my buddying into voting for me; yes you defended it, but I guess he doesn't believe you (I do, if that wasn't already public knowledge).

There is a lot going on right now, and I'm not really following it all b/c I haven't read the whole game yet. However I should have some time tonight to catch up.

You better, my lack of scumreads makes me think you're one of them...at least it would be nice if we had 13 players instead of 12.

PPE 1: Ha I just said that

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 29, 2019, 11:05:24 am »

For instance, saying I remind him/her/whatever (crap, I do need pronouns)

He.

To see one person's posts, just view their post history; most people only post here anyway. For further sorting you'll have to ask someone else.

Good vote, any other scumreads, ari? If none, can you look at shraeye? I need as many people as possible on him.

I might post a case on him if I have something really solid, no guarantees though...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 29, 2019, 10:59:11 am »

MiX and faust, the town team of doom, despair scum, we are here!

ari, FoS isn't voting; if your scumreads aren't enough to put votes down, you have to dig deeper: try to reread people, look at some cases to see if you agree with them, ask questions to people to dismantle some null reads...that's what I've been doing. This is also an answer to raerae.

faust is saying everything I want to say; I think this is towny, faust could be quiet and not help ari.

Ozle reference! And while I'm at it, I find it personally offensive that one of your favourite words is Mountebank, you must be a vile person 

PPE 2: I for one think your tunnelling on shraeye is perfectly valid.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 29, 2019, 10:36:15 am »

Pointing at a RVS vote to explain you're the first on a wagon??? Why ari, why, that whole post is so scummy, oh my god, focus on scumhunting, not defensiveness, PLEASE.

You also say "writing gigantic diatribes is what I do" but your last 2 posts are...short.

Did you say what your scumreads are yet? Phone posting, don't wanna check

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 29, 2019, 07:05:03 am »

Okay what's the hotkey for posting? Oh wow it's 3 keys at the same time, any way I can disable that?

Don't like how big the raerae wagon got, if she was scum she wouldn't leave shraeye's wagon since, as faust said, raerae's case on me implies shraeye's scummy, then there's

there's WIFOM but still.

Good feedback from Joseph and DatSwan, but I don't like Joseph's vote, as I said above.

LaLight, can you say wht raerae's scummy? I've heard from others but not from you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 29, 2019, 07:01:33 am »

Sorry, in my case against shraeye I stumbled on this (bolding is mine) and it's enough for me to change to vote: MiX, still REALLY don't like shraeye but this is just too obvious.  First he says he's never seen shraeye, then he says he knows what both town! and scum!shraeye would do, he obviously knew this wasn't just and RVS vote.  The only way to know that information is to have studied him previously OR discussed it with him in a QT.  That, combined with all his weird defending of shraeye's vote/case on him (posts #119, #132, #147, #161, and finally in #204), his most recent vote for shraeye, and his weird buddying (yes, it's still happening) w/ari, make me comfortable with this vote.

arishpshape posts EXACTLY how I would post my first post in my first game, therefore he is town; regardless, I do believe giving newbies a D1 pass has become customary: by those I clearly mean myself, arishpshape and Debatepro.

Love silverspawn's response, disagree with the votes as I've said.

I've read some recent games, in those, I don't think I've seen shraeye nor raerae, so I consider them my biggest threats.

In that case, vote: shraeye , you look like a better person to get reactions from, for no reason whatsoever.

Now, knowing the meaning, I approached it as a normal case, the case being whatever the initial reason was, which for me meant a minor slip (like me buddying or maybe just the way I worded things, I didn't know what, but I knew that town!shraeye and scum!shraeye would have some backing to that vote), so I mentioned it when stating cases on me; didn't want to leave out any information, that would just be scummy for no reason, more info is good.

This was my way of saying NO ONE would do that vote without something to back it up, it would destroy its purpose and would be scummy for no reason: thus, neither town!shraeye nor scum!shraeye would do that. If you don't understand my logic, please say so, but I believe it's evident.

You have a different way of seeing things: if you were anyone else I would think that misunderstanding was scummy, for you I think it's perfectly towny, if I am to believe EFHW

I suppose I should share my reads:
faust's null, his early votes are good and his questions are towny, but he could very well do all that as scum, still, it's pro-town, so I hope he continues it.
arishipshape's still towny and will forever be towny untill he does a very big scumslip, for recent evidence of his townyness I present his FoS on me and faust, which is precisely what I would expect from noob!town.

Does this imply that you think my FoS on Faust is wrong? Obviously you will think my FoS on you is wrong, but I want to hear more from you on Faust. You seem very neutral in your read. "Faust is null, Faust is towny but could be scummy" doesn't cut it for me. Are you truly neutral on Faust? Where do you lean?

I think the FoS on faust is correct; what's keeping me away from doing it myself is his pro-town behavior, I would like to keep him around just for that. Well, that and he's faust. So I guess slightly scummy? I feel like I always think faust is the opposite of what he is.

I know that is gonna come off as some weak ass reasoning to players that have not played with faust, but just go like read... any other game ever.. it will make sense.

I should do this: got any special mentions for town!faust and scum!faust games?


Don't like how big the raerae wagon got, if she was scum she wouldn't leave shraeye's wagon since, as faust said, raerae's case on me implies shraeye's scummy, then there's

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 28, 2019, 07:17:59 pm »

Speaking of which, pulling out the “it was all a test” maneuver? A classic play.

To be honest I wasn't quite sure what EFHW had meant at first, but after rereading her, to solidify my read on her, I realized she had said that immediatly after saying I was scummy, so that was the only logical answer.

I like these back-to-back posts we do, they're fun.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 28, 2019, 06:38:04 pm »

Yes, I am looking at ways to read people as scummy.

So you can provide good cases against your mislynches? Man it's easy to say this about you 

I strongly agree with everything else you say in that post.

Seeing your answer to Uncle's vote made me reread this:

I reread the game so far and I find that I agree with what has been said about MiX being scummy.

Developed some town reads, which is always helpful.

Holding off voting since it's so early, but once we have a rough consensus the day starts to feel over regardless.

PPE: silver

This rubs me the wrong way, EFHW: why did you think there was a consensus? And about who/what, if that's not too much information to divulge.

About you being scummy. But then other people spoke for the opposite perspective and the illusion of consensus was gone.

That's exactly the answer I was looking for: good, you didn't come up with a lie.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 28, 2019, 06:34:40 pm »

I suppose I should share my reads:


Debatepro's answers to my questioning are towny, if he keeps this up he might get a townread from me, for now I'll just give him a D1 pass.

faust's null, his early votes are good and his questions are towny, but he could very well do all that as scum, still, it's pro-town, so I hope he continues it.

mail-mi's still lurking...I wish we got a more active player, oh well.

ss...now that's a player who's hard to read. Unlike what faust/uncle said, I think not having scumreads when ss said he didn't isn't scummy...I didn't have any myself. Then ss made some towny posts about his town and scum reads, and...that's pretty much it. I think he's town, I guess.

Uncle's town, his case on me is outstandly solid yet he dropped his vote on me, just don't see scum doing that this early, then he went for someone who's practically unlynchable...all of this is town behavior.

DatSwan's scummy untill he finishes his read summary; remember that Swan? Pretty sure you said you were going to finish it. Not sure if not reading the setup is town!swan or scum!swan, it says nothing about post restrictions and UoS made it pretty clear EVERYTHING that could happen this game is in the setup post (because of how big it is).

LaLight's null/scummy? I feel like he tried to buddy me after he said he liked ari's style, but that's pretty insignificant. Need to see his weekday activity.

Joseph's null, but I want him to answer this:

If it's not too much to ask, what do you think of raerae/shraeye? Oh and Debatepro.

Just in case he missed it.

arishipshape's still towny and will forever be towny untill he does a very big scumslip, for recent evidence of his townyness I present his FoS on me and faust, which is precisely what I would expect from noob!town.

shraeye looks scummy: he hasn't done anything else other than create a case on me and attempt to reaffirm it with my reactions to it, hasn't defended his case after I challenged it nor revoted; yes, there was some effort on his play, but isn't that what scum would want?

EFHW hasn't done much, maybe she doesn't have a lot of availability, but everything seems low effort...I guess I'll ask her a question: If you don't want to disclose your townreads, can you at least say your scumreads? There's still nullreads so you won't give up precious information by PoE (Process of Elimination). Untill this (and the other question in the post above) is answered, nullish.

raerae's interesting, if this is her version of scumhunting then she's very town, since it has the correct amount of fishing for information, paranoia and pressure votes. Don't like how she's wrong about everything she says, but the way she says them is pretty towny, so...I guess it works out well.


Well, there it is, feel free to point out any inconsistencies, why some things I said here are just plain wrong and why a readslist at this stage of the game is the most pro/anti-town thing ever, depending on your stance on the matter.

This also ends in vote: DatSwan, to make sure you actually finish the summary, the first half was great, and vote: shraeye because that's where I want my vote to be in.

PPE 2

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« on: January 28, 2019, 05:12:08 pm »

Seeing your answer to Uncle's vote made me reread this:

I reread the game so far and I find that I agree with what has been said about MiX being scummy.

Developed some town reads, which is always helpful.

Holding off voting since it's so early, but once we have a rough consensus the day starts to feel over regardless.

PPE: silver

This rubs me the wrong way, EFHW: why did you think there was a consensus? And about who/what, if that's not too much information to divulge.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 28, 2019, 05:25:16 am »

My god, why is there a shortcut for posting?

What else is there...no idea how to interpret raerae's posts, Uncle's absolutely right that no scum would

would quickhammer that early in D1, they would be lynched immediatly in the following day.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 28, 2019, 05:24:08 am »

It is a disservice to this community to even insinuate that somebody would lie about an unexpected IRL event.

I withdraw my statement; I thought it was possible for scum to overexaggerate an IRL event to lurk just a little more, I guess it's not.

Now that the game has progressed, what do you think of literally anyone else? Anything about any other player besides us 3 is welcome.

• EFHW: first post was hilarious. In #266 she reads you as scummy. Could be i am searching for confirmation of my bias/opinion.
• Faust: first posts quoting Nietzsche was funny and it blew my newb mind when datswan hypothesized that it could be a role based restriction, which i had no idea could exist in the known universe.
• I don't understand the any of the justifications for voting for or by raerae or shraeye.
• Shraeye: I took comment about giving Joseph, faust, and eddie one guess as some kind of shared history/joke that I am not part of.
• Lalight: i didn't understand the SS scumslip! assertion but i had a slightly scummy vibe from SS which could also be confirmation bias.
• Joseph's post count summary was helpful, which i appreciated.
• Eddie's posts about you and ari reaffirmed my initial admittedly novice read.
• Datswans summary analysis post was awesome, thought i should borrow that technique sometime. Also hints at somewhat scummy read on you.
• Faust in #252 seems to suggest SS town read is scummy, which is how i took it.
• Mail-mi/Dylan - No opinion

This list is good, very good indeed, just one question left...

Oh "the most scummiest thing I have ever read in all of the mafia games I've ever played" is just this one...funny. Was that intentional?

If you are town, your wasting dialog time with me, because there are clearly better players you need to convince you are not scum. If you are scum and you are wasting your time with me, then I find it a brilliant strategy to project yourself as a newb player. Sticking with my reads for now.

Here I didn't want to destroy your scum read on me, since I think that's not possible (I tried and I just got confused with your answers) so instead I'm trying to destroy my scum read on you. So far your answers have been towny, but there's one question left!

What else is there...no idea how to interpret raerae's posts, Uncle's absolutely right that no scum would

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 27, 2019, 07:27:58 pm »

Time for a pointless reply:

We didn't have more on dylan, we could ASSUME we had more, since he could be lying about why he was lurking...I guess that's more than what we known about mail-me so far, so fair.

The wagon's only 2 people now, but surely dylan's lurking didn't make him go unnoticed, which is what you were saying.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 27, 2019, 07:08:40 pm »

I have a lot to say to Debatepro compared to everyone else, odd.

Re: why tunneling mix and ari... this is my first game, mix and ari makeup the bulk of the early posts and questions being asked and sequencing of votes and conversations with the two of you seem suspect.

Now that the game has progressed, what do you think of literally anyone else? Anything about any other player besides us 3 is welcome.

And to be more specific, what do you think of dylan's - now mail-mi's - wagon?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 27, 2019, 06:57:38 pm »

I've been reading, and something caught my eye...

@Debatepro, you've never played before, right? How much have you researched? Did you read any games, maybe some theory in mafiascumwiki...what is your knowledge about Mafia as a whole and where did you get it from?

Uncle, lurking enough to get a prod is NAI, not scummy; unless you had a reason to assume scum!dylan likes to lurk, this changes nothing! Besides, lurking does draw attention: look at his wagon!