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Author Topic: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (GAME OVER - MAFIA WINS!)  (Read 338043 times)

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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2800 on: July 03, 2012, 04:59:49 pm »

I really, really can't buy jo being mafia. His similarity to O's playstyle - I can't buy they'd both play like that. But I can sort of buy jo as an SK. Currently I think Robz the more likely SK. So I don't want to lynch jo. I do think he's town.

You could sell me on CF/Axxle. If you want to try and sell me on this plan, tell me what jo's flip tells us? Because his erratic play has made suspecting him completely defensible, so I don't think there's anyone who would look more or less scummy based on jo's flip.

I want to know why jo's death helps us if he flips town.

Actually, I think I figure that out myself. Forgive me if this is a little rough.

So if we kill jo and he comes up town, and DSell's kill on Axxle goes through, we're left with

DSell - we'll know one way or another, see below
Robz - probably the SK if jo isn't
CF - scum suspect #1
me - I know I'm town
pops - next most likely scum by POE?
Tables - basically confirmed town
SFS - basically confirmed town

Minus whoever the two scumteams kill (if DSell is telling the truth) or whoevever the other scumteam kills (If DSell is scum), unless Axxle or J is the serial killer. So we'll have 5 - 7 people left, and worse case scenario 3 scum. Either way, we'll know one way or the other if DSell is scum. If he is, we lynch him, and we might still have 2 scum to deal with, but we'll have a lot of information to find them. But they'll kill someone the night we lynch Dsell. So then we'll have 3 to 4 people left and up to 2 scum. If those two are on the same team, we lose. But I think our chances of not hitting the other scum during that time seem pretty low to me. Chances are even if we double mislynch we can still pull a win.

I have a scum read on Axxle, and I accept that jo might be SK, but I can't say I'm one hundred percent comfortable with this plan. At least I can say if jo flips town, Robz is most likely SK. That's not nothing.

The more I think about it, the more I can get behind this.

I'm in. Sorry for the wall-o-text.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2801 on: July 03, 2012, 05:02:49 pm »

@Glooble. I'm by no means convinced the plan is good. And I'm going to spend tomorrow convincing you I'm not SK. But maybe we'll flip the SK by morning! Anyway, all aboard for the plan. Dsell, you good to shoot Axxle? Axxle, if you have a role, now is the time. Jo same, but he's already claimed VT.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2802 on: July 03, 2012, 05:09:23 pm »

in a hurry much Robz?
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2803 on: July 03, 2012, 05:09:50 pm »

@Glooble. I'm by no means convinced the plan is good. And I'm going to spend tomorrow convincing you I'm not SK. But maybe we'll flip the SK by morning! Anyway, all aboard for the plan. Dsell, you good to shoot Axxle? Axxle, if you have a role, now is the time. Jo same, but he's already claimed VT.
I'm not going to claim unless we have a clear town consensus.  You trying to be the new leader is disconcerting.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2804 on: July 03, 2012, 05:10:39 pm »

in a hurry much Robz?

My wincon is Night 3 begins before 6:00 PM EDT. No hurry.

I'm just excited, that's all. This is a pretty suspenseful game.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2805 on: July 03, 2012, 05:13:56 pm »

i've become more interested in iso since I hit 30/31.  Sorry for not keeping up guys :(
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2806 on: July 03, 2012, 05:14:27 pm »

in a hurry much Robz?

My wincon is Night 3 begins before 6:00 PM EDT. No hurry.

I'm just excited, that's all. This is a pretty suspenseful game.

No doubt.  I wake up every day happy to be alive... in this thread.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2807 on: July 03, 2012, 05:24:50 pm »

Axxle halting premature roleclaims on himself after encouraging one from O is noted (if I recall right)

Jo should not be touched.  His effing twin says he's town.  Unless that twin flips scum, it's hand-off.  I don't know how many times I have to say it.

Axxle / Frisk death would be delicious, they are my highest of suspects. We should probably have Axxle be the one that gets shot, he's a bit less in the SK psychological profile
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2808 on: July 03, 2012, 05:27:15 pm »

Axxle halting premature roleclaims on himself after encouraging one from O is noted (if I recall right)

Jo should not be touched.  His effing twin says he's town.  Unless that twin flips scum, it's hand-off.  I don't know how many times I have to say it.

Axxle / Frisk death would be delicious, they are my highest of suspects. We should probably have Axxle be the one that gets shot, he's a bit less in the SK psychological profile

I very much agree with the point about Axxle. Still disagree with you on Jo.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2809 on: July 03, 2012, 05:30:19 pm »

Axxle halting premature roleclaims on himself after encouraging one from O is noted (if I recall right)

Jo should not be touched.  His effing twin says he's town.  Unless that twin flips scum, it's hand-off.  I don't know how many times I have to say it.

Axxle / Frisk death would be delicious, they are my highest of suspects. We should probably have Axxle be the one that gets shot, he's a bit less in the SK psychological profile
I did encourage one from O, but I think we were close to the deadline at that point right?

Your only reason for not killing J is because of the twinclaim? Should we kill Glooble to make sure?
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2810 on: July 03, 2012, 05:33:12 pm »

Your only reason for not killing J is because of the twinclaim? Should we kill Glooble to make sure?
Also, I have a brother, not a twin, but pretty close.  I would not put a huge amount of weight in being able to read him in a game I've had little experience with when he's had a substantial amount.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2811 on: July 03, 2012, 05:33:30 pm »

Yes, I am less opposed to killing Glooble.

No, the suggestion of "killing him to make sure" does not make me feel better about you
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2812 on: July 03, 2012, 05:52:53 pm »

Sorry, I've been on my ipod reading and posting most of the day because I've been getting ready for a Fourth of July party. On the compy now for a bit.

My top mafia suspects are:
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Jo & Axxle pretty evenly


My top SK suspects are:
Robz & Jo pretty evenly


I would rather lynch the person who has the best chance of being SK because of the chance that they're bulletproof. Since Jo is high in both categories, I think he's the ideal lynch. I would rather try to shoot mafia, so I would go with C_F or Axxle. I would choose C_F myself but I will shoot whoever is decided upon. Robz has a fair chance of being bulletproof so if Jo is not SK I would not want to shoot Robz, but I do think it makes it extremely likely that he's SK.

So basically, yes, I'm ok with the agreed-upon plan.


Minus whoever the two scumteams kill (if DSell is telling the truth) or whoevever the other scumteam kills (If DSell is scum), unless Axxle or J is the serial killer. So we'll have 5 - 7 people left, and worse case scenario 3 scum. Either way, we'll know one way or the other if DSell is scum.

This is not true! The fact that I had to reveal today means that I can be sabotaged by a mafia roleblocker or a bulletproof SK. I'm pretty screwed as it is but this line of reasoning completely ignores the fact that it's possible for me to be telling the truth AND for my shot to be sabotaged.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2813 on: July 03, 2012, 06:00:10 pm »

Okay, Dsell. I am glad you have confirmed the plan. Here goes nothing.

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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2814 on: July 03, 2012, 06:02:01 pm »

The plan is on:

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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2815 on: July 03, 2012, 06:05:15 pm »

Vote Count 3-14

Axxle (2): popsofctown, jotheonah
jotheonah (3): Axxle, Robz888, Captain_Frisk

Not voting {4}: Dsell, Glooble, Tables, SwitchedFromStarcraft

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Lynch Deadline:  Thursday, July 12, 4:59 p.m. EDT
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2816 on: July 03, 2012, 06:06:14 pm »

Vote: jotheonah let's not hammer him until he has a chance to respond though.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2817 on: July 03, 2012, 06:08:45 pm »

Unless I get any serious objections and brings them to us quickly (before the hammer), I will be using my shot on Axxle tonight.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2818 on: July 03, 2012, 06:10:07 pm »

Sorry about the horrible grammar in that last post, I hate iPod posting.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2819 on: July 03, 2012, 06:12:29 pm »

Unless I get any serious objections and brings them to us quickly (before the hammer), I will be using my shot on Axxle tonight.

if we lynch Joth, and he's scum I'd rather shoot Glooble or pops more than anyone else.


Of course, my opinion hardly matters.  I'm VT FWIW.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2820 on: July 03, 2012, 06:21:22 pm »

Not sure what you want from me. Don't trust Robz. If you kill me and we don't get a town win I'll be pissed.
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« Reply #2821 on: July 03, 2012, 06:27:08 pm »

I've already done the "self-vote" and the "please don't lynch me".  What CAN I do for an encore?

I already claimed mafia...
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #2822 on: July 03, 2012, 06:29:58 pm »

Ok, Tables and SFS are offline. Is everyone seriously expecting me to hammer my brother? I mean, I guess there's no real moral difference between doing it myself and waiting for someone else to, but seriously?

Should we wait for last thoughts from anyone else, or should I drop it?
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« Reply #2823 on: July 03, 2012, 06:30:45 pm »

As the lynch mob advanced upon him, he wondered aloud "How could I raise the bar of crazy? What can I do to end this game that's crazier than anything I've done thus far?"

A thought entered his head. A story he had heard about another traveller in another town, who had a strange way of talking. Many called him crazy for that. He would do the same. He would narrate his demise in the third person!


...nope this is stupid.
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« Reply #2824 on: July 03, 2012, 06:36:10 pm »

As Glooble turned the noose over in his hands, he wondered at the absurdity of a town that would require a man to lynch his own brother. But what else could he do? The town, it seemed, had decided. If he didn't do it, Tables certainly would. Indecision paralyzed him. He fell to his knees in despair.

This is silly.
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