LaLaight:
1) This is within minutes of LL's first meaningful post in the game (#109, LL's 11th in the game).In the post they point out that it is L-3 instead of L-2, because they thought there were 9 players in the game and not 10. This pings me as a potential slip. Reasoning, is a little weak, but also IDK how you would miss there are 10 players. Most slips are normally noticed in a more complex fashion, but I have found generally in regards to VCA - specifically when players mess up on the math because they are thinking as they would when talking in their Skum QT instead of in the forum. Example: In a 10 player game skum is going to plan stuff based on an 8 player pool of choices (10 players minus 2 skum). To lynch out of 8, you need 5.
That being said, he could of also just made a mistake about the setup I guess.
Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!
woah I had no idea there is a word "gad" in english. In Russian it means "a very bad guy" as well. This is awesome.
Also I'm russian for those of you who doesn't know or who cares. My english is good but sometimes I struggle with exact thoughts to express.
Also there is 10 players, I was sure it's 9. This means Awaclus is only on L-3
2) LL coming up with the 4 person down correction to the plan. Then pointing out that BOTH docs have to hit each other to negate the action. This is towny. There had been no time passed yet, so to say at this point they hadn't thought it all the way through to the downsides and were just brainstorming in the moment is kind of a concept I am comfortable believing.
actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice
3) The first part here is whatever - either an excuse or genuine. The second part I take as townish though. I would expect most people to act the way Awaclus did to my accusation about those that were on board with the plan. LL instead points out that they disagree it makes everyone that had something to do with the plan skum. This is less defensive to self, and more it seems to come from what a town mindset would be as town that had just been contributing to the idea and believes others could be doing the same. I also still think there is skum on the agree wagon for the plan though.
Oh, i was just glad there was a plan. I am a really bad setup speculator and usually i leave it to smarter people, thanks Swan
I don’t agree this plan makes half the game scum
5) Follows up a skum read list of Eddie, Chairs, and Thief and includes Raptor "because lurking is his skum meta". IDK if LL has only played with Raptor or not, but Raptor just lurks in general, not as a specific faction. He is also, because of this plus his newness, a great mislynch target for skum to randomly throw in the pool early on.
in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc
4) This is kind of skummy. LL is listed on the town block and then asks for skum reads. Creates great range if LL is skum when gathered with other read information.
I can't say that I have much of a read on Awaclus at all. Mostly because of the non-response to L-1. It seems like some of the folks are relying on his playstyle, which he says is super laid back. So, it makes it even harder to get a read.
Thinking over plans and asking about them in a game with newcomers isn't scummy, its learning. When we played last, there was a lot more overt teaching from some of the vets. That is not happening here (which is fine) but our relative newness does mean that posts like Swan's and Hydrad's are super helpful for thinking about how a particular plan may actually play out. So I am reading all that as neutral.
My townie thoughts right now are Eddie, Fang, LL, and Hydrad.
Who is scummy in your book?
6) Potentially could matter later after flips - Goes Chairs over Raptor when Raptor is already on Chairs and Chairs is not on Raptor - putting Raptor at L-2 and Chairs at L-3.
Checking in. I don’t think Eddie’s response was too townie, but chairs voting for WCD is just terrible. How about vote: chairs after all
Town Points:
- Content regarding the Doctor Plan def could be from a town PoV
- Defending the block of players regarding the doctor plan instead of just self
Skum Points:
- First post potential slip (maybe... lets say like half a point)
- Asking for the skum reads from a new player after they put them on their town block
I want to say that their inflated post count due to random converstaional stuff is skummy... but it isn't. LL just kind of does that a lot. I have seen the same play style from them as all three (skum, town, and SK).