Checking in with Snow to see if he is playing another one, I am at least going to be hovering, if nothing else. Once I get confirmation from him that he will join I am for sure in.
Checking in with Snow to see if he is playing another one, I am at least going to be hovering, if nothing else. Once I get confirmation from him that he will join I am for sure in.
That's not working out, I assume?
/tag
I can be a coach. I have a VLA upcoming in October, so I might be unavailable during the late stages of the game.
I don't like the idea personally, but I'm not playing, so sure! Unless any of the newer players objects, we'll do the coaching thing.
Btw how many games has raptor played?
Eh, I will /in regardless.
I'll make up the numbers but if anyone would rather play instead I won't be broken hearted.
They is listed as 4th thoughEh, I will /in regardless.
nice!I'll make up the numbers but if anyone would rather play instead I won't be broken hearted.
is this still a thing? If so you could take the last slot.
Wooo I’m excited!
Can I have a coach? :)
Oh also, all players with < 10 games (wcd, eddie, phyphor, raptor I thinnk) who want a coach should just choose one out of the list in the OP. there are 4 available, so there's enough for everyone!
mafia is hard already, if someone is being coached it'll be even harder to make meta arguments, why do you want to make it even harder still by having players not know who they're playing against? I definitely want who-coaches-who to be public knowledge.
N.B. I am also a noob.
N.B. I am also a noob.
right, sorry for forgetting you.
Ok, so on second thought I think distributing randomly is a better idea than doing it by choice. so what I'll do is just ask everyone eligible during N0 whether they want a coach, and if so send a randomly chosen coach a link to their QT. Then at game start I'll announce who got whom.
Yeah, and I want a confirmation from phyphor that it's still here and hasn't forgotten about the game.
I note that we're still not at 10 players but if we get two people wanting to play I'm happy to drop out, but if we only get 1 player I'm happy to make up the numbers.
I forgot to pledge. Right, done that now. Anything else? Is it ok that I've never heard of Adventure Time?
I note that we're still not at 10 players but if we get two people wanting to play I'm happy to drop out, but if we only get 1 player I'm happy to make up the numbers.
Looks like chairs and infangthief both want in, so I'm happy to duck out. There'll be another game soon enough!
hmmmmmmm some people asked for hosts some declined... That's an interesting addition to the game.
Anyway hi everyone, vote: hypercube!
vote: hypercube and hi to everyone again
ok, here I go. Something clearly doesn't want me to vote for hypercube. let's try vote: Xxraptorslayer96
(Awaclus is basically confirmed scum at this point, you can trust me on this, I’m a doctor)
Hey all! Didn’t realize this started. Reading now.
Welcome all new players!
Hey all! Didn’t realize this started. Reading now.
Welcome all new players!
Didn't vote for someone in first post, scummy.
Hey all! Didn’t realize this started. Reading now.
Welcome all new players!
Didn't vote for someone in first post, scummy.
Vote: Chairs
Am i town now ?
Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.
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Uncleeurope: Softclaimed doctor and then took it back. Scum.
vote: DatSwan for being a bit too keen to avoid being scumread so early.
Hi everyone!
For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.
vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.
It’s a bummer, though, I can’t vote for you because doing so would break my previously stated rule about wagons, what a shame. Seems like my only option is to squint furiously in your direction. Foiled by my own hand.
What is it a coach can do? Like are we playing with Faust?
Hi hello well this is progressing quickly. I love it!
Initial reads, alphabetical order.
Uncleeurope: Softclaimed doctor and then took it back. Scum.
WestCoastDidds: Got a couch. Scum.
Hi hello well this is progressing quickly. I love it!
Initial reads, alphabetical order.
Uncleeurope: Softclaimed doctor and then took it back. Scum.
WestCoastDidds: Got a couch. Scum.
Ooohhhhh....a couch! That would be far more comfortable than a coach. Like hyper said...coaches can read the QT and answer questions. I'm super new. I had never heard of Mafia until LL posted on Discord for new players last month. Since then, I have played once and Infang is right, there were no town deaths. Perhaps more importantly UncleEurope became known as Eddie. Who says he is a doctor, but not a Doctor. Wha???
vote: chairs which are like couches, only more singular.
I'm a she, or WCD, or whatever.
Hi everyone!
For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.
vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.
Hi everyone!
For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.
vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.
I wasn't asking if he was a Doctor, I was asking if he was claiming to be one. Asking people to clarify what they mean isn't PR-hunting.
rather vote: chairs because it's not yet 5am in Texas, and bolding is easy to forget
What is it a coach can do? Like are we playing with Faust?
Faust has access to my QT. I intend to do my own thing; it sounded nice to have some outside feedback on my play.
rather vote: chairs because it's not yet 5am in Texas, and bolding is easy to forget
And there I was assuming you lived somewhere which had a West Coast.
Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!
Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!
woah I had no idea there is a word "gad" in english. In Russian it means "a very bad guy" as well. This is awesome.
It's a lot of different words (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gad#English). It's also a psychological condition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalized_anxiety_disorder).
So, Eddie's nod to doctoring suggests that we might want to think some about how the Docs work since if they seek to protect one another, they nullify their power, right? Without actually outing the Docs, obvi.
Or is it too soon to think about that? (Full disclosure: I work from home on Wednesdays so I have more time today than I will later in the week and as a result, I'm thinking more now than I will have time to think later. Which means it's totally okay to tell me to slow my roll.)
actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
I like this plan.
actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
I like this plan.
This plan has a downside in what if doctors are 1 and 2, but this is a town wifom. I still like "choose a person you think is town, and if there is more than 1, choose the one in up to 4 places below you"
but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice
There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.
There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.
This makes no sense. Town is capable of having scummy ideas, but they are still more likely to come from or be supported by scum.
There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.
This makes no sense. Town is capable of having scummy ideas, but they are still more likely to come from or be supported by scum.
Yes it does. A lot of the time, scum doesn't want to draw attention to themselves by supporting an idea that is obviously scummy. Therefore, either the idea is not obviously scummy, or the people pushing it are probably not scum.
There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.
This makes no sense. Town is capable of having scummy ideas, but they are still more likely to come from or be supported by scum.
Yes it does. A lot of the time, scum doesn't want to draw attention to themselves by supporting an idea that is obviously scummy. Therefore, either the idea is not obviously scummy, or the people pushing it are probably not scum.
From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.
I'm fine with random if thats how we want it. But I would like to point out your theory has some flaws about how it can work.
I'll just make a super basic setup.
1. doc
2. doc
3. vt
4. vt
5. vt
6. vt
7. vt
8. vt
9. scum
10. scum
so in this scum could pick numbers 5-8. lynch 7. cop 6 and kill 8.
From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.
so here if we get the a) result. scum hasn't really learned anything about where the docs are at all.
I will agree b) could be bad still
c) this can happen in all random also, doing this number setup doesn't change it at all I believe.
d) this also can happen in all random I would say the same amount of time.
I'd also say when a person dies from lynching I wouldn't count them in the numbers personally anymore but if we don't think this plan is good we don't have to go through with it so I don't even have to discuss this part really.
(begin Reddit reference) Look that's all well and good but let's get back to focusing on the movie (end Reddit reference).
Plan is bad.
If Doctors are 1 and 2, and they both choose from "up to 4 below", 1 picks 3, 2 picks 3, both valid choices for them, prevents either from working. Doctors should pick from the entire pool.
vote: Awaclus and I'm p. sure that's L-1.
actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
I like this plan.
Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.
10/10 would lie as town again.
actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
I like this plan.
Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?
Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.
Chairs, please could you expand on this? Meta reasoning, or wagon incitement?
Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan
Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.
Chairs, please could you expand on this? Meta reasoning, or wagon incitement?
It is a meta reasoning. There is a history of Town people voting for Awaclus all the time because of his playstyle
Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan
I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count
vote: chairs
Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan
I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count
vote: chairs
It took me quite a while there to work out why you wrote "vote: chairs" when you were already on him. Makes sense now.
Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan
I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count
vote: chairs
It took me quite a while there to work out why you wrote "vote: chairs" when you were already on him. Makes sense now.
You're now on him as well (though I take it as intentional)
I'm alarmed at how quickly we've reached L-1. Especially as the first two votes on the Awaclus wagon were pretty random.
Hydrad and UncleEurope, please could you either give a reason for keeping your vote on Awaclus, or else unvote?
infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?I guess so. (Bang goes my cunning plan that no-one would ever vote for a name that's hard to shorten...).
infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?I guess so. (Bang goes my cunning plan that no-one would ever vote for a name that's hard to shorten...).
So it seems this time of forum-day is when you and I are awake and everyone else (presumably in the US?) is asleep.
I'm going to make one more post, on the doctor plan theory, then I'm going to try and shut up and wait for some responses from the other folk.
PPE: 1 (is that how I say that I typed this before Uncleeurope's post and haven't gone back to edit it after?)
infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?I guess so. (Bang goes my cunning plan that no-one would ever vote for a name that's hard to shorten...).
So it seems this time of forum-day is when you and I are awake and everyone else (presumably in the US?) is asleep.
I'm going to make one more post, on the doctor plan theory, then I'm going to try and shut up and wait for some responses from the other folk.
PPE: 1 (is that how I say that I typed this before Uncleeurope's post and haven't gone back to edit it after?)
yeah, I am used to being easter than anyone else
infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?
And while I'm here asking questions of particular people, here's another one:10/10 would lie as town again.
Uncleeurope (may I call you Eddie?) could you give us a percentage chance of how likely you are to lie as town in this particular game?
in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc
please, don't claim not a Doctor, this gives the scum an opportunity to PoE who doctors are. Also exactly this was the thing I have done as newb!scum once, so...
I'm gonna go back to vote: Uncleeurope
actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
I like this plan.
Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?
in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc
I am torn between thinking chairs is 100% scum, WCD is 100% scum and Eddie is 100% scum.
It's strange to me that you could scumread everyone at a point in the game where a lot of players haven't really interacted yet.
in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc
I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.
I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).
vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.
in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc
I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.
I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).
vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.
I am sincerely sorry, I know about your general availability. It is just putting people to L-1 is really dangerous. I don't know what good would derphammer of a newbie bring. I mean it worked in NM12, but it is not that guaranteed that both lynchee and hammerer are not town. I actually think we need to be more careful concerning this
malarkey
It's strange to me that you could scumread everyone at a point in the game where a lot of players haven't really interacted yet.
Oh I love jumping to early conclusions. In many games I felt like there is an obvious scum team (and i was right quite several times) and then they get slipped away by a lot of posting and I never am able to convince anyone. What I'm trying to say is I firmly believe my initial reads unless proven wrong, because I think scum needs time to adjust to a game, so in the beginning they are always scummier than in the end.
It's strange to me that you could scumread everyone at a point in the game where a lot of players haven't really interacted yet.
Oh I love jumping to early conclusions. In many games I felt like there is an obvious scum team (and i was right quite several times) and then they get slipped away by a lot of posting and I never am able to convince anyone. What I'm trying to say is I firmly believe my initial reads unless proven wrong, because I think scum needs time to adjust to a game, so in the beginning they are always scummier than in the end.
I don't think there's anything wrong with jumping to conclusions early, but to me your posts indicated indecisiveness, and also a feeling that you were obligated to be decisive.
in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc
I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.
I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).
vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.
I am sincerely sorry, I know about your general availability. It is just putting people to L-1 is really dangerous. I don't know what good would derphammer of a newbie bring. I mean it worked in NM12, but it is not that guaranteed that both lynchee and hammerer are not town. I actually think we need to be more careful concerning this
WCD early hammered on D1 of NM12 and she was town. I know, this is a little different as practically everyone scumread Simon Jester back then, but still
in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc
I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.
I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).
vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.
I am sincerely sorry, I know about your general availability. It is just putting people to L-1 is really dangerous. I don't know what good would derphammer of a newbie bring. I mean it worked in NM12, but it is not that guaranteed that both lynchee and hammerer are not town. I actually think we need to be more careful concerning this
WCD early hammered on D1 of NM12 and she was town. I know, this is a little different as practically everyone scumread Simon Jester back then, but still
That wasn't an early hammer really, it was < 8 hours before deadline iirc.
It seemed to me that you felt obligated (by a need to seem townie perhaps?).
obligated? By who?
Fixed quote failobligated? By who?
It seemed to me that you felt obligated (by a need to seem townie perhaps?).
Re: Eddie claiming not-Doctor, I can't see how that would be a rational move for scum!Eddie. Of course it's possible he made a mistake, but it doesn't strike me as a nefarious plot.
Quick thoughts: I don't think chairs putting Awaclus at L-1 is scummy. He was very upfront about it, and it led to someone having to defend themself for the first time this game. I'm still not really happy with Awaclus' reasoning; it seems more incoherent than I'd expect.Interestingly Awaclus did not make a single post during the time he was at L-1. What defence are you referring to?
I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually
in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc
I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.
I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).
vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.
I am sincerely sorry, I know about your general availability. It is just putting people to L-1 is really dangerous. I don't know what good would derphammer of a newbie bring. I mean it worked in NM12, but it is not that guaranteed that both lynchee and hammerer are not town. I actually think we need to be more careful concerning this
WCD early hammered on D1 of NM12 and she was town. I know, this is a little different as practically everyone scumread Simon Jester back then, but still
That wasn't an early hammer really, it was < 8 hours before deadline iirc.
well, it was sudden
Interestingly Awaclus did not make a single post during the time he was at L-1.
I can't say that I have much of a read on Awaclus at all. Mostly because of the non-response to L-1. It seems like some of the folks are relying on his playstyle, which he says is super laid back. So, it makes it even harder to get a read.
Thinking over plans and asking about them in a game with newcomers isn't scummy, its learning. When we played last, there was a lot more overt teaching from some of the vets. That is not happening here (which is fine) but our relative newness does mean that posts like Swan's and Hydrad's are super helpful for thinking about how a particular plan may actually play out. So I am reading all that as neutral.
My townie thoughts right now are Eddie, Fang, LL, and Hydrad.
Interestingly Awaclus did not make a single post during the time he was at L-1.
Not very interestingly. I went to sleep before chairs voted me and didn't wake up until after Uncleeurope unvoted.
Interestingly Awaclus did not make a single post during the time he was at L-1.
Not very interestingly. I went to sleep before chairs voted me and didn't wake up until after Uncleeurope unvoted.
I meant 'interestingly' in two senses.
1. Interesting that you made no response. You have given a (credible) explanation for that.
2. Interesting that hypercube thought that chairs' L-1 vote "led to someone having to defend themself for the first time this game".
I assume that's just hypercube not noticing the order of events. But interesting that he should use it as justification of chairs' vote like that nonetheless.
Honestly it's not going to put very much pressure on me if I know you're just doing it to get a reaction out of me, not because you really intend to lynch me.
Honestly it's not going to put very much pressure on me if I know you're just doing it to get a reaction out of me, not because you really intend to lynch me.
To be clear I would be completely fine with lynching you.
Honestly it's not going to put very much pressure on me if I know you're just doing it to get a reaction out of me, not because you really intend to lynch me.
To be clear I would be completely fine with lynching you.
on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.
Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
I like this plan.
Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?
It doesn't really give scum any information because doctors aren't obliged to follow it.
Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?
actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
I like this plan.
Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?
It doesn't really give scum any information because doctors aren't obliged to follow it.
I've been wondering what to make of this reply...
I'm going to go with: really, in a newbie game, how likely did you think it was that doctors were going to disregard a plan that several veterans said was good? I would guess even most veterans would be unlikely to disregard it. Vote: Awaclus
Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?
Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.
I've been wondering what to make of this reply...
I'm going to go with: really, in a newbie game, how likely did you think it was that doctors were going to disregard a plan that several veterans said was good? I would guess even most veterans would be unlikely to disregard it. Vote: Awaclus
Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?
Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.
This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?
Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?
Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.
This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?
Ah, I thought they had day chat. This is the level of my knowledge.... :/
This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?
I've been wondering what to make of this reply...
I'm going to go with: really, in a newbie game, how likely did you think it was that doctors were going to disregard a plan that several veterans said was good? I would guess even most veterans would be unlikely to disregard it. Vote: Awaclus
The plan itself included the notion that doctors could choose to target the towniest person regardless of position.
Is it just me, or has Awaclus only been responding to direct attacks against himself? He seems to ignore the other bits of dialogue happening and just respond with defense to his past statements.
Awaclus, did you deliberately reduce the scope of my quote so that it no longer contained the description of the plan, the one that you said you liked?
Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?
Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.
This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?
Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?
Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.
This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?
LL - If you are getting at what I think you are getting at, I would probably drop it. Murky mod-kill waters you may wade into there.
Is it just me, or has Awaclus only been responding to direct attacks against himself? He seems to ignore the other bits of dialogue happening and just respond with defense to his past statements.
I will need to reread later, I just noticed it and wanted to remember I had his thought
Also interesting that raptor has appeared.
This game is weird.
This game is weird.
Whoever is voting chairs for just making it L-1 should probably re consider. That is way too skummy of a vote on day one.Is that what is known as WIFOM?
Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?
Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.
This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?
LL - If you are getting at what I think you are getting at, I would probably drop it. Murky mod-kill waters you may wade into there.
Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?
Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.
This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?
LL - If you are getting at what I think you are getting at, I would probably drop it. Murky mod-kill waters you may wade into there.
Actually scratch that my theory doesn't make sense.
If anything it is a Town Slip. He called it a "Partner QT".
You should not think Awaclus is skummy for defending themselves without tons of other contribution - they do it both as skum and town. That being said they are also pretty sharp, so you should think they are skummy for not realizing the obvious error in the Doctoring plan.
actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
I like this plan.
The plan itself included the notion that doctors could choose to target the towniest person regardless of position.
Hi infang! How's the weather where you've been?Bit of rain yesterday evening, fine again today. Does it come across that obviously in my play style?
Yes, and he didn't even answer my question while he was in. But then I guess there was about a whole page of posts for him to process.
And Chairs dropped in to say he mostly drops out...
what about if you were scum along with another newbie?
Hi infang! How's the weather where you've been?Bit of rain yesterday evening, fine again today. Does it come across that obviously in my play style?
Hoping to go to the seaside tomorrow.
I don't think there was a scumslip. Seemed like a very townie response to me.what about if you were scum along with another newbie?
You caught a scumslip I was talking about!
Seems like a few Europeans in the game - Awaclus and hypercube too. And I was assuming Uncleeurope was, you know, with the name and everything. But he's just off to sleep (with an L-2 on Awaclus thrown in for good measure), so slightly less likely.Hi infang! How's the weather where you've been?Bit of rain yesterday evening, fine again today. Does it come across that obviously in my play style?
Hoping to go to the seaside tomorrow.
No, I just like the fact we're both online. I like to speak with people real time when playing Mafia and most active people are usually sleeping when I'm online
I don't think there was a scumslip. Seemed like a very townie response to me.what about if you were scum along with another newbie?
You caught a scumslip I was talking about!
I don't think there was a scumslip. Seemed like a very townie response to me.what about if you were scum along with another newbie?
You caught a scumslip I was talking about!
Supertownie, that's me! So far my meta is that she is super townie.
Definitely not a scumslip. I hadn't thought much about if I had been scum and it had been with another newb that I might have still wanted a coach. That scenario (coach and partner) seems really complicated to me to manage (I am usually doing this on my phone so having many tabs open is hard). I have been a coach advocate since the idea was introduced. I was basing that desire off of the conversations the scum had in the previous game, which were really helpful for me to read in retrospect. As far as my coach, I like having a question-answerer and I am also liking getting to know someone in this community a little bit better without having to be suspicious of him. Iguanaiguana knows stuff, is awesome, and likes cats.
Awaclus....I can't say that I find him scummy one way or another, but I don't find him at all helpful. Which is not awesome. My vote is still on Chairs, based on his first post when he called us all scummy, which was sort of randomly assigned since it was really early on, but he has done nothing to cause me to move it. He is also not helpful. Not helpful is as close to scummy as it gets.
I find Swan helpful. LL somewhat helpful. Eddie and Fang helpful. That makes them townie for me.
Hyper, Raptor, and Hydrad....don't know.
DS can I sheep you please (not right now though)sheep?
But while we're on the subject of animals...DS can I sheep you please (not right now though)sheep?
Why did you change the stance on Hydrad? You called him helpful and townie as well for the doctors' plan
How is Eddie helpful?
I love cats too. I am working part time in cat caffee - the place where we take cats from shelters to get people to know them and then give them to people free of charge. I have 2 cats from it myself. So cat adorer detected!
Iguanas are herbivorous, so I think it is unlikely that they like cats.
Thank you. It says "When a player votes for or argues against a player based on another players content."But while we're on the subject of animals...DS can I sheep you please (not right now though)sheep?
Follow like a sheep. This is helpful for the words http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16266.0
That being said they are also pretty sharp, so you should think they are skummy for not realizing the obvious error in the Doctoring plan.
So why didn't Awaclus at some point say "guys, this plan gives too much info to scum, we need to go with the softer version". Because now he is claiming that the softer plan is what he was liking all along.
Seems unlikely to be both him and Awaclus, however.
Thank you. It says "When a player votes for or argues against a player based on another players content."But while we're on the subject of animals...DS can I sheep you please (not right now though)sheep?
Follow like a sheep. This is helpful for the words http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16266.0
So, LaLight, I would be interested to know why your vote is not in the same place as DatSwan's.
Your cat work sounds cool too. Is it difficult to limit yourself to not having too many cats yourself?
Very unlikely that the scum is both me and chairs. The chances are 0%.
Your cat work sounds cool too. Is it difficult to limit yourself to not having too many cats yourself?
I have an arrangement with my wife in which I will be allowed to take more cats if I buy a bigger house.
vote count please
Why is that? Just because you are not scum?
Awaclus, how do you feel about cats?
I'm expecting to be a lot less active over the next couple of days, though I'll still try and check in from time to time.
I think I'm happy with my vote on Uncleeurope, but could probably be interested by other cases.
Cats are fine, but I'm more of a tarantula person when it comes to pets and I'm not really even that much of a pet person in the first place (i.e. I don't have a tarantula).
Regarding me buddying Thief, fair. I have a problem with that, I always need friends in these games, so I do that a lot as both town and scum. (More subjective facts, stop it, Eddie, surely you got something better...) Also ironic that I am concerned with WCD's friendship of me...
So, that L-2.
I’m not reading Eddie as scummy.
But Hyper is making a different argument...that Eddie is a safer kill than other town folk. Is that good enough? We still have lots of time.
I’m curious what others think...
On to Awaclus, he seems completely uninterested in the voting process, just chilling with Raptor not even talking about other options, he is only in self-preservation mode. That's why I voted for him, he seems unconcerned with controlling the voting in any way, like he plans to just follow the voting around until a decision is made for him. Not a usual town behavior in my experience. (I thought you were done defending yourself?)
Whoever is voting chairs for just making it L-1 should probably re consider. That is way too skummy of a vote on day one.Is that what is known as WIFOM?
Putting someone at L-1 seems scummy, so surely scum wouldn't do it, so anyone who does it must be town, ha that's what they want me to think, but they might think that I'd think that, but I don't, so maybe I will...
vote: Eddie. I think he has an above-average chance of being scum. However, if he is town, by claiming VT he made it easier for scum to find the doctors and therefore he would be the least-bad mislynch.
Oh, counter-claim, right?
Hi folks sorry I’ve been out. I worked last night (hosting karaoke) and I’m out of town this weekend to visit my fiancée. Will post meaningful content soon
Hi folks sorry I’ve been out. I worked last night (hosting karaoke) and I’m out of town this weekend to visit my fiancée. Will post meaningful content soon
And another thing that makes me a bit uneasy is that I think if Eddie flips as Town, then we don't get an awful lot of information from the wagon - he feels like an 'easy' person to justify voting for.
Eg hypercube went for an argument along the lines of 'not very useful to town'. (And I was including a bit of that in my reasoning too.)
But an 'easy' wagon is both:
easy for scum to join without so much suspicion.
easy for the wagon to reach a lynch without scum lifting a finger.
Would you agree, hypercube?
You know I can just imagine we have one coaching session going on where WestCoast and iguana are talking about cats... and another coaching session going on where hypercube and faust are talking about who to consider night-killing...
And another thing that makes me a bit uneasy is that I think if Eddie flips as Town, then we don't get an awful lot of information from the wagon - he feels like an 'easy' person to justify voting for.
Eg hypercube went for an argument along the lines of 'not very useful to town'. (And I was including a bit of that in my reasoning too.)
But an 'easy' wagon is both:
easy for scum to join without so much suspicion.
easy for the wagon to reach a lynch without scum lifting a finger.
Would you agree, hypercube?
Certainly the Awaclus wagon was harder to push, which is the main reason I remain suspicious of him.
Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?
It doesn't really give scum any information because doctors aren't obliged to follow it.
The thing I find a little unsettling about the Eddie wagon at the moment is that it mostly consists of the people I've been scumreading.
Chairs and hypercube, and then I've been on and off about Awaclus.
You know I can just imagine we have one coaching session going on where WestCoast and iguana are talking about cats... and another coaching session going on where hypercube and faust are talking about who to consider night-killing...
(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)
1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.
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2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor
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4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.
Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.
I wasn't feeling incredibly confident about where my vote is so I did a quick reread of Eddie in this game vs. Eddie in NM12 (where he was town). Eddie in NM12 was significantly more confident and engaged in scumhunting. In this game we get a lot more self-conscious asides like this:(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)
I would characterize Eddie's tone in this game as anxious. Notably at post #170, where he seems insistent on dismissing people's scumreads of him despite the fact that no-one was actually voting for him at that point.1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.
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2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor
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4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.
Then LL votes for him and he acts like he's at L-1 instead of L-5.Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.
I think a VT would be less concerned with their own survival, especially when they don't actually have a wagon on them. So, I'm happy with my vote where it is.
vote: westcoastdidds let people defend their own selves
Little early to be so close to hammer yeah?Yes, I read the situation very differently:
I don't see how claiming would be good here. Either VT or Doc gets claimed. Doc claim could lead to a lot of sticky situations:
1) They are doc and get lynched anyways
2) They are skum and get lynched anyways (great)
3) They are skum and do not get lynched, they will probably draw a doc shot at night to be wasted.
4) They are town and do not get lynched, and that opens up complicated CC situations.
anyone read the situation differently?
1. I am not a doctor
Uncleeurope (may I call you Eddie?) could you give us a percentage chance of how likely you are to lie as town in this particular game?
2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor
Little early to be so close to hammer yeah?When would you rather deal with sticky claim situations? Just before the deadline?
And another thing that makes me a bit uneasy is that I think if Eddie flips as Town, then we don't get an awful lot of information from the wagon - he feels like an 'easy' person to justify voting for.
Eg hypercube went for an argument along the lines of 'not very useful to town'. (And I was including a bit of that in my reasoning too.)
But an 'easy' wagon is both:
easy for scum to join without so much suspicion.
easy for the wagon to reach a lynch without scum lifting a finger.
Would you agree, hypercube?
Then why not unvote? You seem to be very unsettled.
And another thing that makes me a bit uneasy is that I think if Eddie flips as Town, then we don't get an awful lot of information from the wagon - he feels like an 'easy' person to justify voting for.
Eg hypercube went for an argument along the lines of 'not very useful to town'. (And I was including a bit of that in my reasoning too.)
But an 'easy' wagon is both:
easy for scum to join without so much suspicion.
easy for the wagon to reach a lynch without scum lifting a finger.
Would you agree, hypercube?
Then why not unvote? You seem to be very unsettled.
I did consider unvoting, but there seemed to be plenty of good reasons to keep my vote there. Here are the ones that I feel able to share at the moment:
1. My main reason for voting Eddie in the first place was for his scumminess.
2. I think I have more reasons for thinking Eddie is scum than the ones I put in the post where I voted for him.
3. Even though Eddie flipping as town might not be hugely informative, if he flips as scum, that would be hugely informative (as well as just generally good).
4. L-1 probably provokes better reactions from other players.
5. My reads of people are highly likely to change, including the scummy ones that were on the Eddie wagon.
6. I definitely prefer an Eddie lynch to a no-lynch, and it seems like 6 out of 10 players agreeing on a day 1 lynch might be tricky (I don't really know, though, this being my first game).
7. I think I am naturally over-cautious, so should make a determined effort sometimes to throw caution to the wind, otherwise I'd never get anywhere.
I have a more serious response to DatSwan also.
I think you are correct about sticky claim situations, but:Little early to be so close to hammer yeah?When would you rather deal with sticky claim situations? Just before the deadline?
PPE: 1
So many cocktails...not thinking super clear. But it seems like Monday is not too close to deadline since DL is later Monday.
Sadz that weekends are LA for most.
No lynch sucks. Not gonna happen, amirite?
Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?
Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?
I did not.
5. Chairs seems reeeeaal iffy to me right now... If only he would respond after signing someone away to death. I don't want to vote for him though, I feel like swinging from one wagon to another has no benefits. <snip>
I honestly don't know who to vote for,
Vote: Raptor
I will stick with that until I don't.
Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?
I did not.
But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?
Thank you chairs, good answer, I think.Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?
I did not.
But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?
In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.
Poe: q
Thank you chairs, good answer, I think.Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?
I did not.
But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?
In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.
Poe: q
I'm going to persist a bit longer though...
Is there another possible outcome that could have happened from that Awaclus wagon that would also have suited you quite well?
Thank you chairs, good answer, I think.Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?
I did not.
But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?
In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.
Poe: q
I'm going to persist a bit longer though...
Is there another possible outcome that could have happened from that Awaclus wagon that would also have suited you quite well?
Hmm. Scum quick hammering awaclus or awaclus getting hammered and being scum would have been nice outcomes. All in all though those are unrealistic for most games so I’m happy with how things panned out.
Eddie, I know this was a couple of days ago, so things may have changed, but I found this thoughtstream very strange:5. Chairs seems reeeeaal iffy to me right now... If only he would respond after signing someone away to death. I don't want to vote for him though, I feel like swinging from one wagon to another has no benefits. <snip>
I honestly don't know who to vote for,
Vote: Raptor
I will stick with that until I don't.
You thought chairs was real iffy, but voted for Raptor with no reason?
Since then you've done a bit of moving your vote around (not sure I can quite accuse it of the wagon-swinging you said you wouldn't do), but the bit I find intriguing is that you've never put your vote on chairs. Who was real iffy. What's going on?
Well, I did have a reason, you just snipped it. Raptor hadn’t said anything.
Thank you chairs, good answer, I think.Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?
I did not.
But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?
In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.
Poe: q
I'm going to persist a bit longer though...
Is there another possible outcome that could have happened from that Awaclus wagon that would also have suited you quite well?
Hmm. Scum quick hammering awaclus or awaclus getting hammered and being scum would have been nice outcomes. All in all though those are unrealistic for most games so I’m happy with how things panned out.
So you're saying that Awaclus getting quick-hammered (within 36 hours of game start), and then flipping as town, would have been one of the nice outcomes that would have suited you quite well?
Awa
hmm. Actually I can think of a way to make sure they don't target each other. We could do something like doctor chooses to heal someone either 1/2 or 3 spots below them on the signup list. The doctor gets to choose what number to use so that way if scum kill gets blocked they don't know what one was the doctor. But it also means that doctors won't be able to both target each other.
I actually kinda like that idea now that I'm thinking about it.
but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice
you have to remember the a doctor can still heal another doctor. its just both doctors can't heal each other.
So we don't even lose a heal in that scenario. The only way we lose a heal is if doctors both heal the same target if we do the 1-4 way.
I'm fine with random if thats how we want it. But I would like to point out your theory has some flaws about how it can work.
I'll just make a super basic setup.
1. doc
2. doc
3. vt
4. vt
5. vt
6. vt
7. vt
8. vt
9. scum
10. scum
so in this scum could pick numbers 5-8. lynch 7. cop 6 and kill 8.
From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.
on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.
Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.
Vote: raptor
woah I had no idea there is a word "gad" in english. In Russian it means "a very bad guy" as well. This is awesome.
Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!
Also I'm russian for those of you who doesn't know or who cares. My english is good but sometimes I struggle with exact thoughts to express.
Also there is 10 players, I was sure it's 9. This means Awaclus is only on L-3
actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice
Oh, i was just glad there was a plan. I am a really bad setup speculator and usually i leave it to smarter people, thanks Swan
I don’t agree this plan makes half the game scum
in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc
I can't say that I have much of a read on Awaclus at all. Mostly because of the non-response to L-1. It seems like some of the folks are relying on his playstyle, which he says is super laid back. So, it makes it even harder to get a read.
Thinking over plans and asking about them in a game with newcomers isn't scummy, its learning. When we played last, there was a lot more overt teaching from some of the vets. That is not happening here (which is fine) but our relative newness does mean that posts like Swan's and Hydrad's are super helpful for thinking about how a particular plan may actually play out. So I am reading all that as neutral.
My townie thoughts right now are Eddie, Fang, LL, and Hydrad.
Who is scummy in your book?
Checking in. I don’t think Eddie’s response was too townie, but chairs voting for WCD is just terrible. How about vote: chairs after all
So, Eddie's nod to doctoring suggests that we might want to think some about how the Docs work since if they seek to protect one another, they nullify their power, right? Without actually outing the Docs, obvi.
Or is it too soon to think about that? (Full disclosure: I work from home on Wednesdays so I have more time today than I will later in the week and as a result, I'm thinking more now than I will have time to think later. Which means it's totally okay to tell me to slow my roll.)
Good morning! I’ve got to get to work and teach a couple of classes but I’ll have a minute after that to catch up.
I appreciate infang, hydrad, and swan laying out pros and cons of having a plan. I’m cool with no plan or a plan or whatever. It just seemed notable that the town PR canceled each other and wondered if coordination was necessary. But I’m compelled that the chances of that are minimal, at least for the time being.
LL, if I’m reading scummy, that is 100% one of your previously noted off reads. I was more enthusiastic yesterday than the last time I played because, we’ll, last time I didn’t know the game had started because newb. This time I knew it was time to go!
You’ll laugh when you read my coaching qt. It has questions like “what is copped?” I’m hoping the coach will help make me more savvy. Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
My townie thoughts right now are Eddie, Fang, LL, and Hydrad.
I don't think there was a scumslip. Seemed like a very townie response to me.what about if you were scum along with another newbie?
You caught a scumslip I was talking about!
Supertownie, that's me! So far my meta is that she is super townie.
Definitely not a scumslip. I hadn't thought much about if I had been scum and it had been with another newb that I might have still wanted a coach. That scenario (coach and partner) seems really complicated to me to manage (I am usually doing this on my phone so having many tabs open is hard). I have been a coach advocate since the idea was introduced. I was basing that desire off of the conversations the scum had in the previous game, which were really helpful for me to read in retrospect. As far as my coach, I like having a question-answerer and I am also liking getting to know someone in this community a little bit better without having to be suspicious of him. Iguanaiguana knows stuff, is awesome, and likes cats.
Awaclus....I can't say that I find him scummy one way or another, but I don't find him at all helpful. Which is not awesome. My vote is still on Chairs, based on his first post when he called us all scummy, which was sort of randomly assigned since it was really early on, but he has done nothing to cause me to move it. He is also not helpful. Not helpful is as close to scummy as it gets.
I find Swan helpful. LL somewhat helpful. Eddie and Fang helpful. That makes them townie for me.
Hyper, Raptor, and Hydrad....don't know.
LaLaight
4) This is kind of skummy. LL is listed on the town block and then asks for skum reads. Creates great range if LL is skum when gathered with other read information.I can't say that I have much of a read on Awaclus at all. Mostly because of the non-response to L-1. It seems like some of the folks are relying on his playstyle, which he says is super laid back. So, it makes it even harder to get a read.
Thinking over plans and asking about them in a game with newcomers isn't scummy, its learning. When we played last, there was a lot more overt teaching from some of the vets. That is not happening here (which is fine) but our relative newness does mean that posts like Swan's and Hydrad's are super helpful for thinking about how a particular plan may actually play out. So I am reading all that as neutral.
My townie thoughts right now are Eddie, Fang, LL, and Hydrad.
Who is scummy in your book?
Morning LaLight, morning all. Lynch day?
I've got a long post I'd like to make about chairs, but I don't want to interrupt your train of thought.
Let me know when you're ready for it. :)
I see what you did there and I'm intrigued, anyway, I'll get on with my chairs post.I've got a long post I'd like to make about chairs, but I don't want to interrupt your train of thought.
Let me know when you're ready for it. :)
do it whenever you want, my train of thought is uninterraptorable
So you're saying that Awaclus getting quick-hammered (within 36 hours of game start), and then flipping as town, would have been one of the nice outcomes that would have suited you quite well?
Yes - I don’t care for awaclus’s meta at all and a li feel like lynching him d1 is the best way to avoid the argument every day about whether we lynch him, which is what most games I’ve played with him end up doing. I also think it would have exposed a mafia member
my reads are usually wrong
I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me
Fang, is your vote where you want it?
That being said - I still think the Raptor wagon is weak af, so I have been doing read through's on those who are on him.
Who is scummy in your book?
The reason I asked was that scum!newbies who know the alignment of other people usually tend to read a lot of people as towns, because they know this is correct and the feel more safe about it. So when a person has a lot of townreads D1, this is suspicious.
Who is scummy in your book?
The reason I asked was that scum!newbies who know the alignment of other people usually tend to read a lot of people as towns, because they know this is correct and the feel more safe about it. So when a person has a lot of townreads D1, this is suspicious.
This is one way that Simon was caught out in NM12, so it seems worthwhile in a newbie game especially. Did WCD ever answer the original question?
Scum!chairs knows of course that the hammerer would be town. Two town lynches, great.
*Footnote:
If you don't agree that Awa/DS are probably the biggest threats to scum!chairs, consider how the other two veterans (LaLight and Hydrad) introduced themselves:my reads are usually wrongI'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me
I don't like DatSwan's reads. He particularly takes the most active players and bases his reads on them, this seems ike an easy things to do. Especially given that some of the reads are really stretched.
Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.Scum!chairs knows of course that the hammerer would be town. Two town lynches, great.
How does scum!chairs know this?
Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."
PPE: 2
Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."
PPE: 2
I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.
*Footnote:
If you don't agree that Awa/DS are probably the biggest threats to scum!chairs, consider how the other two veterans (LaLight and Hydrad) introduced themselves:my reads are usually wrongI'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me
I'm not sure that this is what we should be basing our judgments of the veteran players abilities on. Hydrad's post in particular seemed somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."
PPE: 2
I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.
Scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be great (for scum!chairs). Remember, we are considering scum!chairs perspective here.
Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."
PPE: 2
I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.
Scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be great (for scum!chairs). Remember, we are considering scum!chairs perspective here.
Right, I'm just saying that since it's obviously bad for town to hammer there it's unlikely for that to happen.
Scum1. Awaclus (and maybe DatSwan) are probably the biggest dangers to the scum team* (unless Awa/DS are scum themselves of course). So lynching Awaclus or DatSwan is a priority for scum!chairs. And veteran chairs knows that Awaclus' playstyle will likely make some of us newbies to want to vote for him.
Scum2. If town!Awaclus had been hammered, then the biggest suspicion would have fallen on the hammerer (at least, chairs has said that's what he thinks would happen). Scum!chairs knows of course that the hammerer would be town. Two town lynches, great.
Scum3. Scum!chairs knows that an early day 1 hammer means the doctors have very little material on which to base their reads. Doctors having good reads seems pretty important to town's effort in this set-up.
Who is scummy in your book?
The reason I asked was that scum!newbies who know the alignment of other people usually tend to read a lot of people as towns, because they know this is correct and the feel more safe about it. So when a person has a lot of townreads D1, this is suspicious.
This is one way that Simon was caught out in NM12, so it seems worthwhile in a newbie game especially. Did WCD ever answer the original question?
No
Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."
PPE: 2
I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.
Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.
Awaclus (1): DatSwanActually I think you've missed a couple: chairs is back on Uncleeurope and DatSwan is now on Hydrad.
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
WestCoastDidds (1): chairs
chairs (4): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight, infangthief
Uncleeurope (2): hypercube, Awaclus
So this is where we're at now
so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.
Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."
PPE: 2
I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.
Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.
so you're voting for Uncleeurope then
so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.
Why not switch to Raptor? Not enough time?
Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
Hyper, can you spin out the why on Ava, Eddie, Chairs a bit more?
There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
This is a weird post. It's like you believe chairs actually is town and think about how to come out townie the next day...
My method of winning is to be average at the game. I usually end up being viewed as town so I don't get lynched. And I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me. Which ends up in from my perspective being in a decent amount of 1v1s to win or lose the game.
My method of winning is to be average at the game. I usually end up being viewed as town so I don't get lynched. And I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me. Which ends up in from my perspective being in a decent amount of 1v1s to win or lose the game.
This seems to have been written from scum!Hydrad's perspective, (i.e., that the goal of the game is to survive to the end). I'm curious about the opinion of the other vets: is the above an accurate statement or is Hydrad being self-deprecating?
Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.
But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.
In conclusion:
chairs says that an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch would have been nice.
Town!chairs has some pretty weak reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.
Scum!chairs has some pretty powerful reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.
Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.
But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.
Actually, here is the strongest version of my case (and the best summary):In conclusion:
chairs says that an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch would have been nice.
Town!chairs has some pretty weak reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.
Scum!chairs has some pretty powerful reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
This is a weird post. It's like you believe chairs actually is town and think about how to come out townie the next day...
Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.
But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.
Are you suggesting doctor reads are better than a nigh guaranteed lunch on scum D2?
as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadlineSlipped?
as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadline
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
god I have more scumreads than there are scum
god I have more scumreads than there are scum
Right?!?
Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."
PPE: 2
I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.
Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
This is written from the perspective of scum who surely knows chairs will flip town
Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."
PPE: 2
I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.
Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.
will you vote chairs to avoid a no lynch?
Each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.
Each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.
Doctors can not protect each other.
Each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.
Doctors can not protect each other.
One doctor can protect another, the protection only breaks if they both protect each other.
- If town decides to go along with the fake claim for the time being, then not only are they treating the fake doctor as a kind of IC (I mean, the fake doctor can never be proved wrong by events, am I right?), but each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.
- If town decides to go along with the fake claim for the time being, then not only are they treating the fake doctor as a kind of IC (I mean, the fake doctor can never be proved wrong by events, am I right?), but each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.
A fake doctor would be outed if both real doctors died.
I will be popping in and out of functional connectivity at work as I’m mostly in a basement today. vote: fang
Oh, and somewhere Cube mentioned me posting less after he called me out, but it was the weekend, I had other reasons to not post as much.
I am concerned with this shakeup right before death day. A lot of people seem to be switching their vote while implying that changing it will be improbable.
Feels like the vote is being held hostage.
I similarly am not a fan of the Thief kill at this moment. I would actually prefer the chairs kill. Because almost nothing has been said regarding Thief we can’t pull as much information if he flips town, either. At least that’s my understanding.
I am concerned with this shakeup right before death day. A lot of people seem to be switching their vote while implying that changing it will be improbable.
Feels like the vote is being held hostage.
I similarly am not a fan of the Thief kill at this moment. I would actually prefer the chairs kill. Because almost nothing has been said regarding Thief we can’t pull as much information if he flips town, either. At least that’s my understanding.
How is it that I have been waiting for this day for forever but now think it has come too quickly.
I will be available for longer here so when I Vote: chairs it is just to be a place holder.
I know that looks like omgus but he repeatedly uses “kill” in place of lynch.
I know that looks like omgus but he repeatedly uses “kill” in place of lynch.
what if chairs is the Fang's partner who wanted to bus but then saw that wagon is growing and left it :thonk:
I think there is at least one scum in chairs/fang/Eddie
Vote: Chairs
That’s L-1
Just got on lynch now sorry. Reading
Just got on lynch now sorry. Reading
Talk to me, goose
A reference to the epic 80’s classic Top Gun.
I just wanted to hear what you were thinking...
I would be willing to hammer at this point actually. But I just noticed datswan hasn't had time to post since this posting explosion happened. I wouldn't mind waiting for him to have a chance to talk about this
Deadline is in 2 hours a 19 minutes.
So as long as someone comes along...
Deadline is in 2 hours a 19 minutes.
So as long as someone comes along...
Oh shoot. I didn't realize it was that close. That's 4 for me and I'm don't 3:30. I thought I would have at least an hour or too after work. I didn't think it was that soon. Thanks for reminding me. In the case I'll at least check on my phone at like 3:30 to post a hammer if I need too. Won't have enough to do big posts but I can hammer then
It’s also feasible that one of the Europeans checks in before bed.
It’s also feasible that one of the Europeans checks in before bed.
I'm here. I still like the fang wagon more than the chairs wagon but I'm more ambivalent about it after chairs trying to convince us that Eddie saying "kills" was a scumslip.
I think chairs should claim at this point
I think chairs should claim at this point
I don't think he will. I think that was his last post. So I'm assuming that means he's not a doc
Hammertime! Vote: chairs
You’re already on him!
Was possibly a fake hammer to try to get me to slip up but as I’m Town it wouldn’t have worked. Does lean me a little Town on Awaclus.
here
LL worse case you good with us both switching to make sure the lynch goes off?
Fang or Chairs?
I think scum is content with the chairs lynch, which makes fang even scummier
Anyone feeling strongly?
oh wow raptor hello. Have you read any last pages? What is your stance?
oh wow raptor hello. Have you read any last pages? What is your stance?
I know I suck, yeah trying to read back. Last 3 pages
Awa moving to WCD then disappearing is pretty anti town.
Awa moving to WCD then disappearing is pretty anti town.
Awa moving to WCD then disappearing is pretty anti town.
Seriously...I was just thinking that is a super scummy move. Like he wants a no lynch..
well. I am really sorry about fang, sorry fang, if you read this.
This nightkill sucks. Was there a softclaim by hyper anywhere?
Could of been skum killing faust N1?
Could of been skum killing faust N1?
Hi everyone!
For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.
vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.
I wasn't feeling incredibly confident about where my vote is so I did a quick reread of Eddie in this game vs. Eddie in NM12 (where he was town). Eddie in NM12 was significantly more confident and engaged in scumhunting. In this game we get a lot more self-conscious asides like this:(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)
I would characterize Eddie's tone in this game as anxious. Notably at post #170, where he seems insistent on dismissing people's scumreads of him despite the fact that no-one was actually voting for him at that point.1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.
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2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor
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4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.
Then LL votes for him and he acts like he's at L-1 instead of L-5.Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.
I think a VT would be less concerned with their own survival, especially when they don't actually have a wagon on them. So, I'm happy with my vote where it is.
They are not exactly sound. I think that the most likely reason for the choice is that they are newer and unlikely to grab a doc target. Skum wants the kill to go off no matter what, so the priority isn't actually looking for the doctor for them... its looking for the people least likely to be doctored.
potential slips skum could of tried to use to help there kill choice.Hi everyone!
For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.
vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.I wasn't feeling incredibly confident about where my vote is so I did a quick reread of Eddie in this game vs. Eddie in NM12 (where he was town). Eddie in NM12 was significantly more confident and engaged in scumhunting. In this game we get a lot more self-conscious asides like this:(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)
I would characterize Eddie's tone in this game as anxious. Notably at post #170, where he seems insistent on dismissing people's scumreads of him despite the fact that no-one was actually voting for him at that point.1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.
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2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor
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4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.
Then LL votes for him and he acts like he's at L-1 instead of L-5.Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.
I think a VT would be less concerned with their own survival, especially when they don't actually have a wagon on them. So, I'm happy with my vote where it is.
They are not exactly sound. I think that the most likely reason for the choice is that they are newer and unlikely to grab a doc target. Skum wants the kill to go off no matter what, so the priority isn't actually looking for the doctor for them... its looking for the people least likely to be doctored.
I mainly am interested in understanding Awa’s vote at the end
I am perhaps more interested in Hydrad and Awa, who weren't on Fang, but were instead paving the way for no lynch. Especially Awaclus who made his change near the end in a way that was fully anti-town. And Raptor coming back was a total surprise. If he hadn't, I'm not sure we'd have had the numbers for a lynch.
I mainly am interested in understanding Awa’s vote at the end
Are you WCD's scum partner?
I mainly am interested in understanding Awa’s vote at the end
Are you WCD's scum partner?
Is your argument for me being a team with someone me echoing them on a point? Or something else? Wouldn’t that be a bit obvious?
Just got on lynch now sorry. Reading
Just got on lynch now sorry. Reading
lol ok so another hydrad post coming up but this is a gem no one pointed out...
Backwards lynch/lunch!
on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.
Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.
Vote: raptor
Final Vote Count Day 1
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Hydrad
WestCoastDidds (1): Awaclus
chairs (2): infangthief, Uncleeuropeinfangthief (6): LaLight, hypercube, chairs, DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Here's what it came down to...
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Hydrad
WestCoastDidds (1): Awaclus
chairs (2): infangthief, Uncleeuropeinfangthief (6): LaLight, hypercube, chairs, DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96
The first 4 had been there most of the day, and raptor and I had to join at the last minute to avoid a no lynch since the people who were around to vote had limited maneuverability.
I am perhaps more interested in Hydrad and Awa, who weren't on Fang, but were instead paving the way for no lynch. Especially Awaclus who made his change near the end in a way that was fully anti-town. And Raptor coming back was a total surprise. If he hadn't, I'm not sure we'd have had the numbers for a lynch.
vote: Awaclus
I’m here for a bit, but I doubt you are too interested in talking to me.
The only thing that concerns me about hydrad is he was willing to kill off chairs when it came down to it, but strongly against the Thief kill. I dunno, I guess I am just not putting Hydrad at the top of my current list right now.
Well, IIRC he committed to hammering him before the deadline, a conmitment that would be very scummy to break. I don’t think he would risk making that statements if he was unwilling to hammer chairs.
Well, IORC he committed to hammering him before the deadline, a conmitment that would be very scummy to break. I don’t think he would risk making hat statements if he was unwilling to hammer chairs.
Ooh, bussing’s a new one for me, what’s that one mean?
And I don’t have a hugely strong town read on Hydrad or anything, just trying to show another perspective.
if Awaclus is the scumteam with WCD, he busses her hard
No. I may step on thin ice now, but i think Raptor requested replacement, so we should at least wait for someone else. This makes his inactivity NAI (not alignment indicative)
Anyone else feel like LL is playing the defeated card too much? He lost a lot of backbone after Thief died, I would have assumed that he would push for me to die next or something, but he just very passively states that he has poor reads and that he doesn’t trust himself anymore. Just seems like he gave up too easily.
Basically this feels like justification to me. Either that or depression.
So either we vote for LL, or we hug him.
(Just noting that I don’t feel that strongly about this, just didn’t want that thought to go unpublished)
LL, where did this information come from?
No. I may step on thin ice now, but i think Raptor requested replacement, so we should at least wait for someone else. This makes his inactivity NAI (not alignment indicative)
if WCD and another newbie
I’m here for a bit, but I doubt you are too interested in talking to me.
The only thing that concerns me about hydrad is he was willing to kill off chairs when it came down to it, but strongly against the Thief kill. I dunno, I guess I am just not putting Hydrad at the top of my current list right now.
Apologies - There are a lot of new players and I have not mentioned it this game - Weekends are essentially almost VLA for me most of the time in regards to content. I have a chance to keep up, but feedback is limited until Sunday evening normally.
That being said - I still think the Raptor wagon is weak af, so I have been doing read through's on those who are on him.
Let's start with the skummiest of my current vibes - Hydrad:
Hydrad:
1) This is them bringing up the doctoring claim idea, directly after they say they don't see a point in looking into it at this stage of the game.hmm. Actually I can think of a way to make sure they don't target each other. We could do something like doctor chooses to heal someone either 1/2 or 3 spots below them on the signup list. The doctor gets to choose what number to use so that way if scum kill gets blocked they don't know what one was the doctor. But it also means that doctors won't be able to both target each other.
I actually kinda like that idea now that I'm thinking about it.
This post was 5 minutes after the first post I made about how nothing could work. Basically 2 minutes to write it and like 3 thinking about it. The only thought process I really had was can I make doctors not target each other without anyone claiming.
2) Promoting the idea again. Also, adding in the point that the doctors need to target exactly each other seems like a skum mindset.but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice
you have to remember the a doctor can still heal another doctor. its just both doctors can't heal each other.
So we don't even lose a heal in that scenario. The only way we lose a heal is if doctors both heal the same target if we do the 1-4 way.
I said this because Lalight seemed to have the idea that doctors are macho, which as we found out even after I posted this he still thought they were macho.
3) Summary of the below - Hydrad points out that if it the sign up order has all doctors and all skum within the same 4 in a row (it could actually be 5 together, just to be clear), that Skum would not in fact gain any information. This is false - by setting the rules forward that contain the cops to the pools of 4 underneath they get the reverse logic to narrow the pool - also, there is the fact that this set up COULD happen, and then Skum would have (in this particularly small chanced world) less information then they normally would.... orrrrr we just do random and there are no odds. Which is what he ended up conceding to.I'm fine with random if thats how we want it. But I would like to point out your theory has some flaws about how it can work.
I'll just make a super basic setup.
1. doc
2. doc
3. vt
4. vt
5. vt
6. vt
7. vt
8. vt
9. scum
10. scum
so in this scum could pick numbers 5-8. lynch 7. cop 6 and kill 8.
From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.
Basically I still wasn't thinking to hard about it but I just wanted to show that your points were making the plan worse then it actually was. Like in point A how you said that doctors are either player1 or 10 kinda thing, I wanted to show a thing that says hey its not as bad as you think. I was at this point starting to think random was better and I think I pretty quickly after that said I'm fine with random if I remember correctly. I just didn't like the fact that it seemed like you cherry picked the worst case options. But ya I can see you this one is a bit weird, I don't really know why I defended it like that if I didn't think it was the best way to go.
4) Why post this? I have thought about it and I cannot see how putting this out there would "help" skum. Only thing I could think of was maybe the lack of stated reads/stating you may lie about your reads early on could be used later in the game. Still though, def would assume reads lists are more valuable to skum then not having them. So, I guess this is townish?on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
This is something I'm still trying to figure out actually. I used to play games and even on day 1 I would give an entire list of everyone grading them from 1-10 in scumminess. Then mcmc started telling me he doesn't think that list that early is useful and just is giving scum better ideas on who they could push next day and I might help them. I didn't agree with him at first but I think i'm starting to slowly agree with this thought process. And I said awaclus would like it too because I think he really supports this theory and basis some of his playstyle around it.
5) Agrees with Awaclus about reads list thing... and then votes Raptor for either no reason or something I am not getting.on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.
Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.
Vote: raptor
The vote for raptor was basically a. Hey my vote isn't doing anything much right now, was kinda still an RVS vote. Wanted to move it to someone I thought was kinda scummy.
Town Points:
- Effort put into the plan and the logic behind the reasoning of it.
- I guess pointing out the thing about reads lists early in the game.
Skum Points:
- All the doctoring plan stuff - Brought it up, obviously thought it through, then in the end just admits "oh yeah random would be better".
- The Raptor vote.
- Also, there is just something about their general need to appeal to other players this game that is throwing me off.
Vote: Hydrad
Why Hydrad is probably Skum - Part II:
This is the quote that I mentioned yesterday. Randomly voting Raptor with no real reason. It is not more interesting. This post is stamped 4 days to DL.on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.
Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.
Vote: raptor
From this point forward, they stay on Raptor - which was a dead wagon. They could of gotten on Town!Fang (which they stated a lot that they did not want to do), or they could of multiple times hammered, evened out the wagon, or helped Fang by voting Chairs (or at some points Eddie).
ok I'm actually not fully sure what posts you are talking about when you say 1.14 and stuff. sorry. So I'll do the best I can.
edit: part way through posting I realize this is vote counts.
@1.14 - Could of brought Chairs to L-1
I'm assuming this is when I said I just woke up since i see chairs is L-4 at that point. I guess I could be lying about it but I had not been able to read anything in the last 2 pages. I woke up, saw that like a page or 2 had been posted since I last checked, but would be late for work if I caught up there so I just made the quick post letting people know I would work on it
Edit: I now see this is vc1.14 so I'm just adding my thoughts. at the time I posted after vc1.14 chairs was made to L-1 before I got there. see next point for answer to why I didn't hammer.
@1.15 - Could of hammered Chairs
I'm assuming this is during my lunch break. Once again I guess you will just have to believe me. I was willing to hammer there, and I think I even said I was fine with it. Yes I realize saying is different then doing. But I noticed you hadn't had a chance to talk at all since 100ish or more posts had been made. I wanted to have the information of what you thought about this while it was happening if possible. Because as scum its much preferred to have people lynch eachother without you even having to state a read or anything on them because then people have less info on you at that point. So I wanted to hear what you thought about it so I could get a better read on you.
@1.16 - Could of brought Chairs to L-1 when the wagon was 4v4 on Chairs vs Fang
I was not able to look at this at anytime between 1.15 and 1.16
@1.17 - Same as 1.16
Same as above
@ Final VC - They have interacted for half of their posts in the whole game between 1.14 and End of Day. They could of helped their town read (Fang) multiple times but did not.
I got on about 5 minutes after the lynch went through. I know this can all be lied about and I don't really have any proof but for me I feel like I had one point where I could have voted chairs and that would have hammered him, which I would have done if I wasn't around before deadline, But I knew that I should be able to be there for deadline at least unless work somehow went super late. (which it did go 15 minutes late which has never happened before so I apologize for that since people were waiting for me at 30min before deadline and may have thought that I wouldn't make it)
Soooo. We are left with:
1) Town!Chairs, Town!Hydrad, Town!Fang - Def a possibility
2) Town!Hydrad, Town!Fang vs Skum!Chairs - Unlikely
3) Town!Chairs, Town!Fang vs Skum!Hydrad - Def a possibility
There are obv a bunch of options outside of this specific pool. So to narrow it down...
Do you think it was a town vs town wagon?
- If yes, then there is probably at least one skum off wagons
- If no, then we should lynch Hydrad/Awaclus/Chairs
Chairs narrows it down the most.
Awaclus is probably not the best lynch today.
Hydrad is the most likely to be skum.
These are your opinions and stuff so I can't really talk about these.
Vote: Hydrad
I’m here for a bit, but I doubt you are too interested in talking to me.
The only thing that concerns me about hydrad is he was willing to kill off chairs when it came down to it, but strongly against the Thief kill. I dunno, I guess I am just not putting Hydrad at the top of my current list right now.
They SAID they were willing to lynch Chairs. There is a huge lapse of time here.... like 4 IRL days with multiple hammer and defensive chances to go onto chairs. It would be one thing if they were on another viable wagon... but they were just sitting solo on Awaclus the whole time.
Deadline is in 2 hours a 19 minutes.
So as long as someone comes along...
Oh shoot. I didn't realize it was that close. That's 4 for me and I'm don't 3:30. I thought I would have at least an hour or too after work. I didn't think it was that soon. Thanks for reminding me. In the case I'll at least check on my phone at like 3:30 to post a hammer if I need too. Won't have enough to do big posts but I can hammer then
The point of which, I guess, is that while Hydrad want on the fang wagon he was still one of the folks responsible for it by virtue of not hammering chairs.
The point of which, I guess, is that while Hydrad want on the fang wagon he was still one of the folks responsible for it by virtue of not hammering chairs.
ya thats kinda fair. And I feel bad for that happening.
Just want to mention this for today, but because there are 8 alive and 2 scum and we require 5 votes to kill, We need a fairly unanimous town to kill a scum. Fairly obvious, just seems like something to keep in mind.
@ Hydrad - responses picked up some town pts in my book. thanks.
(1.15,1.16, etc. were Vote Counts)
Can you please answer one more for me:
After checking in like multiple times and seeing the wagons - why did you not make a useful vote?
I don't want to agree with you, Uncle, because you get all "she's buddying me" when I am not, but I also think LL is worth a second look.
I asked where LL got the info that Raptor was going to/might be replaced a post or two ago. He hasn't had a chance to answer yet.
But if LL is scum and Raptor is his scum sidekick, it would make sense that he was bothered by his absence more than the rest of us, maybe reached out to have him replaced, and also discouraged us from voting him just because he was MIA.
LL seems so town, but he's also very good at this game, so seeming town would be his jam, right? Am I being overly suspicious?
I don't think it's THAT easy, but I'm kinda sure we will definitely lynch scum if we lynch Eddie/chairs in any order, and Hydrad/DatSwan in any order.
Well it's definitely not that easy because we don't get to lynch Hydrad and DatSwan in any order if Eddie and chairs are both town.
Read literally any game where I am scum. I don't seem town nowhere and always get lynched
Thursdays are for offffffffice hours! Similar to the life of luxury only not nearly as comfortable and a lot more officey.
So, can someone please tell me how we should proceed. This is my first real D2 and I am not quite sure how to move forward. Any insight would be appreciated, especially if it goes beyond "lynch the scum, Didds!"
Can someone point me to the case on Hydrad?
And Awaclus has yet to do anything that is actually helpful to any of us, yeah?
And Awaclus has yet to do anything that is actually helpful to any of us, yeah?
Yeah I haven't really done anything that's actually helpful to either of you.
And Awaclus has yet to do anything that is actually helpful to any of us, yeah?
Yeah I haven't really done anything that's actually helpful to either of you.
Are you normally this confident with your reads? In my experience town is a bit more cautious about these things when pride is on the line to pull out borderline taunting.
That makes me think you don’t have pride on the line.
And Awaclus has yet to do anything that is actually helpful to any of us, yeah?
Yeah I haven't really done anything that's actually helpful to either of you.
Are you normally this confident with your reads? In my experience town is a bit more cautious about these things when pride is on the line to pull out borderline taunting.
That makes me think you don’t have pride on the line.
Winning is more important than pride.
hi gkrieg! Nice to see you! Are you scum?
vote: DatSwan for being a bit too keen to avoid being scumread so early.
I like this guy!
Hi hello well this is progressing quickly. I love it!
Initial reads, alphabetical order.
Uncleeurope: Softclaimed doctor and then took it back. Scum.
WestCoastDidds: Got a couch. Scum.
Ooohhhhh....a couch! That would be far more comfortable than a coach. Like hyper said...coaches can read the QT and answer questions. I'm super new. I had never heard of Mafia until LL posted on Discord for new players last month. Since then, I have played once and Infang is right, there were no town deaths. Perhaps more importantly UncleEurope became known as Eddie. Who says he is a doctor, but not a Doctor. Wha???
vote: chairs which are like couches, only more singular.
I'm a she, or WCD, or whatever.
Hi everyone!
For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.
vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.
I wasn't asking if he was a Doctor, I was asking if he was claiming to be one. Asking people to clarify what they mean isn't PR-hunting.
My first game was dice mafia if I remember correctly. I don't remember the date that was but I think it was around 2014. I took a break for a couple years and recently came back so I'm familiar with most vets.
My town scale is obviously very town. Chairs basically has me as an IC so we are doing well so far.
My meta is generally kinda lurky or at least I'm not one of the top posters usually. But I'm working to get better at that.
My method of winning is to be average at the game. I usually end up being viewed as town so I don't get lynched. And I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me. Which ends up in from my perspective being in a decent amount of 1v1s to win or lose the game.
So basically we have already won since I'm here.
Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!
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There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.
Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!
Scummy from WCD.
If anything, vote: chairs
Good morning! I’ve got to get to work and teach a couple of classes but I’ll have a minute after that to catch up.
I appreciate infang, hydrad, and swan laying out pros and cons of having a plan. I’m cool with no plan or a plan or whatever. It just seemed notable that the town PR canceled each other and wondered if coordination was necessary. But I’m compelled that the chances of that are minimal, at least for the time being.
LL, if I’m reading scummy, that is 100% one of your previously noted off reads. I was more enthusiastic yesterday than the last time I played because, we’ll, last time I didn’t know the game had started because newb. This time I knew it was time to go!
You’ll laugh when you read my coaching qt. It has questions like “what is copped?” I’m hoping the coach will help make me more savvy. Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
please, don't claim not a Doctor, this gives the scum an opportunity to PoE who doctors are. Also exactly this was the thing I have done as newb!scum once, so...
I'm gonna go back to vote: Uncleeurope
in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc
I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.
I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).
vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.
I am sincerely sorry, I know about your general availability. It is just putting people to L-1 is really dangerous. I don't know what good would derphammer of a newbie bring. I mean it worked in NM12, but it is not that guaranteed that both lynchee and hammerer are not town. I actually think we need to be more careful concerning this
vote: lalight I’m into it. Also I’ve been up for 30 hours SAMA
I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?
Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?
Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.
This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?
Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.
WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?
Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.
This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?
If anything, it would be a townslip. Scummy that you read it as a scumslip.
I don't think there was a scumslip. Seemed like a very townie response to me.what about if you were scum along with another newbie?
You caught a scumslip I was talking about!
Supertownie, that's me! So far my meta is that she is super townie.
Definitely not a scumslip. I hadn't thought much about if I had been scum and it had been with another newb that I might have still wanted a coach. That scenario (coach and partner) seems really complicated to me to manage (I am usually doing this on my phone so having many tabs open is hard). I have been a coach advocate since the idea was introduced. I was basing that desire off of the conversations the scum had in the previous game, which were really helpful for me to read in retrospect. As far as my coach, I like having a question-answerer and I am also liking getting to know someone in this community a little bit better without having to be suspicious of him. Iguanaiguana knows stuff, is awesome, and likes cats.
Awaclus....I can't say that I find him scummy one way or another, but I don't find him at all helpful. Which is not awesome. My vote is still on Chairs, based on his first post when he called us all scummy, which was sort of randomly assigned since it was really early on, but he has done nothing to cause me to move it. He is also not helpful. Not helpful is as close to scummy as it gets.
I find Swan helpful. LL somewhat helpful. Eddie and Fang helpful. That makes them townie for me.
Hyper, Raptor, and Hydrad....don't know.
That being said they are also pretty sharp, so you should think they are skummy for not realizing the obvious error in the Doctoring plan.
I maintain that there is nothing wrong with the Doctoring plan.So why didn't Awaclus at some point say "guys, this plan gives too much info to scum, we need to go with the softer version". Because now he is claiming that the softer plan is what he was liking all along.
LaLight had already said the softer version out loud at that point. It's not productive to repeat to scum over and over again how the doctors are going to trick them by agreeing to a plan they're not going to follow, that defeats the entire purpose of the plan.Seems unlikely to be both him and Awaclus, however.
Very unlikely that the scum is both me and chairs. The chances are 0%.
Regarding me being about to die, I would like to reiterate how the whole Doctor bit from the beginning followed by me claiming #NotaDoctor is not something a sane scum would do. (Or at least something I wouldn't do, a whole lot of information that gives you, I just gave subjective facts about myself, good job me, 10/10 defense)
I play a lot of these games IRL and negative information is a key component in all of them, eliminating options for the future in a way that has no guarantee to actually be helpful is foolish. Scum would want to hold into a scenario where you all think they are a doctor until challenged, I offered it willingly, because I was trying to clarify something to town. Information I found important. (It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on) Shut up.
Basically, while all of these actions could have been taken by scum, they would be bad, but taken by ton, they are slightly less bad. (But still bad) You're not helping.
Regarding me buddying Thief, fair. I have a problem with that, I always need friends in these games, so I do that a lot as both town and scum. (More subjective facts, stop it, Eddie, surely you got something better...) Also ironic that I am concerned with WCD's friendship of me...
I am kind of concerned about the ramifications of my death. When I flip town (Good job Eddie, tell the world that scenario with so much authority that it must be true, I'm sure they'll believe you) people might start targeting LL and I don't distrust the guy, I just think he is taking this gut reaction thing a bit too far.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Cube's point is slightly moot because hopefully Docs would claim before death, so anyone dying during a lynch would be pretty much scum or NT. Therefor any day lynches are "safe." But, hey, I am definitely the best townie to lynch right now. What a cheerful thought.
Okay, I'm done with the "trying and failing to explainify why I am a good guy" portion of the show. Because these bits hardly matter, don't they?
On to Awaclus, he seems completely uninterested in the voting process, just chilling with Raptor not even talking about other options, he is only in self-preservation mode. That's why I voted for him, he seems unconcerned with controlling the voting in any way, like he plans to just follow the voting around until a decision is made for him. Not a usual town behavior in my experience. (I thought you were done defending yourself?)
For this post?
I am now.
Mostly thinking I hate day 1 and that I’m eager to Lynch someone.
Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!
Scummy from WCD.
How’s that? It seems like the whole point of the game is to make friends and work together...but two of the new friends are out yo get us! Right? Still, I am admittedly more overtly friendly than average folks, at least based on what I’ve seen so far. Maybe it just hasn’t been ground out of me yet... If I stick around, friendly will definitely be part of my meta. I can be the LaLight of the West!
I do play NMs in a very other way than other games, I try to tell everything as widely as possible, and that's what your scumread on me indicates right now. I just try to be more newbie-friendly, I guess
I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?
I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?
Correct that I'm not there yet. Will look at it later. The fact that you know that this happened though is ever-so-slightly scummy. Hard tunnel going on from me right now.
I actually don't think gkrieg is scum at all, but he's just wrong. I have a different style, but it's both how I don't play as town or scum.
at night when I thought everyone will scumread me because fang flipped town, I thought of this argument, so it's kinda prepared :)
I do play NMs in a very other way than other games, I try to tell everything as widely as possible, and that's what your scumread on me indicates right now. I just try to be more newbie-friendly, I guess
This argument is that you try to be more newbie-friendly, but you would do that as scum as well. Not a fan of this defense.
at night when I thought everyone will scumread me because fang flipped town, I thought of this argument, so it's kinda prepared :)
Are you more likely to prepare a response like this as town or scum?
vote: chairs
vote: chairs
Love you too LL smooches <3
Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!
Scummy from WCD.
How’s that? It seems like the whole point of the game is to make friends and work together...but two of the new friends are out yo get us! Right? Still, I am admittedly more overtly friendly than average folks, at least based on what I’ve seen so far. Maybe it just hasn’t been ground out of me yet... If I stick around, friendly will definitely be part of my meta. I can be the LaLight of the West!
It may just be part of your meta, but it just reads as scummy to me based on the average meta. Eevee does the same thing in every game he plays.
vote: chairs
Love you too LL smooches <3
What’s smooches? :)
Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!
Scummy from WCD.
How’s that? It seems like the whole point of the game is to make friends and work together...but two of the new friends are out yo get us! Right? Still, I am admittedly more overtly friendly than average folks, at least based on what I’ve seen so far. Maybe it just hasn’t been ground out of me yet... If I stick around, friendly will definitely be part of my meta. I can be the LaLight of the West!
It may just be part of your meta, but it just reads as scummy to me based on the average meta. Eevee does the same thing in every game he plays.
Fair enough. I’d rather be friendly than not, so being misread for it may be frequent. In the previous game NM12, I think I was the same if you need reference and town, then, too.
This Eevee sounds like my kind of people! Like the anti-Awaclus?
I appreciate the work you’re putting in. It’s helping me learn more about where we go from here, because I feel pretty stuck.
Just so you know, I think it is really good that you are nice! You should continue to do so even if I scumread you for it this game.
Slight scum on Awaclus for looking at semantics this much.
How’s that? It seems like the whole point of the game is to make friends and work together
Awaclus is scum.
I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?
I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?
wow this is skummy lol
We don't know if WCD, Awaclus, Chairs, or Eddie are town or skum. How is this relevant?
Fang flipped Town.
Are you arguing that you should get town points because you picked to start a wagon on Town!Fang instead of unkown Chairs or Eddie?... and all that under the assumption of a potential skum partner in WCD/Awaclus?
Skum!LL would pick fang if they knew they were town.
I just don't get the point here.
Vote: Eddie
Well, you could start by expressing why you think I am shifty.
Kay I’m good with a Eddie lynch if i can’t get support for Hydrad
GK - Hydrad case. Thoughts? Didn't really get a response out of Raptor.
Kay I’m good with a Eddie lynch if i can’t get support for Hydrad
You would go Hydrad/Me over LL? I thought you suspected him?
Also, regarding my confusion being a scum-tell. That's fair, confusion is often utilized as a method for scum to have room to squirm.
I even thought about deleting the remark from my post for that reason.
I reiterate my previous notes about if I were a scum I would have to be a moron, these drawing unnecessary attention to myself, blah blah blah...
I would probably lean towards Awa or LL currently.
Awa's little logic train of "Didds is bad, thus Eddie is bad, thus gkrieg is bad," while humorous, lacks content. I dunno, man.
Well, you could start by expressing why you think I am shifty.
GK - Hydrad case. Thoughts? Didn't really get a response out of Raptor.
Still haven’t gotten that far in my reread.
Kay I’m good with a Eddie lynch if i can’t get support for Hydrad
You would go Hydrad/Me over LL? I thought you suspected him?
Also, regarding my confusion being a scum-tell. That's fair, confusion is often utilized as a method for scum to have room to squirm.
I even thought about deleting the remark from my post for that reason.
I reiterate my previous notes about if I were a scum I would have to be a moron, these drawing unnecessary attention to myself, blah blah blah...
I would probably lean towards Awa or LL currently.
Awa's little logic train of "Didds is bad, thus Eddie is bad, thus gkrieg is bad," while humorous, lacks content. I dunno, man.Well, you could start by expressing why you think I am shifty.
take a moment and come up with a set of reads on players that are just your own and not echos of other players. You don't have to share them, but you need to do it. Because right now you are either skum or lazy town... either way not a bad lynch.
I do suspect LL (but I suspect LL every game)
I would prefer Hydrad over anyone at this point
IMO opinion, at this junction, the pool you Hydrad/Eddie has more info+better skum chance+chance of actually happening opposed to some random/last minute skum pushed wagon.
Pick someone other than Awaclus - who is your top skum read?
Awaclus, what’s your thinking on Eddie?
We don't know if WCD, Awaclus, Chairs, or Eddie are town or skum.
Awaclus, what’s your thinking on Eddie?
If you're not his scum partner, why are you that interested in my thinking on him?
I was hoping that you might share your thinking so that we can lynch scum this time. With only six town left, we need to all be on the same page, it seems.
Awaclus, what’s your thinking on Eddie?
If you're not his scum partner, why are you that interested in my thinking on him?
I was hoping that you might share your thinking so that we can lynch scum this time. With only six town left, we need to all be on the same page, it seems.
I’m liking Eddie, Chairs and Hydrad for scum. So you, me, swan, LL, and gkrieg all need to coalesce, yes?
I agree that someone needs to die today, I’m even fine with us moving forward without grief. I just find it dangerous to manufacture a system with that much rigidity.
Regarding the looking at a vet strat, I am highly uncertain.
Thief’s death reads as “unplanned” to me. Because of how late in the voting process his wagon started, I would assume there was little forethought to him being a newbie, and thus kill worthy.
I think the only way the Scum could have planned his death were if they were in the last few votes, but two newbs were the last two IIRC. Actually I think 3/5 newbies were voting for Thief.
Not saying it isn’t two vets, by the way. I just don’t think the deaths factor as much into player experience.
I agree that someone needs to die today, I’m even fine with us moving forward without grief. I just find it dangerous to manufacture a system with that much rigidity.
Regarding the looking at a vet strat, I am highly uncertain.
Thief’s death reads as “unplanned” to me. Because of how late in the voting process his wagon started, I would assume there was little forethought to him being a newbie, and thus kill worthy.
I think the only way the Scum could have planned his death were if they were in the last few votes, but two newbs were the last two IIRC. Actually I think 3/5 newbies were voting for Thief.
Not saying it isn’t two vets, by the way. I just don’t think the deaths factor as much into player experience.
ok so this could just be me.
But I feel like you think scum really plans who to kill for the lynch. For me personally when I'm scum I'm not thinking in the night of who i'm going to lynch the next day. Basically my goals are try to not lynch my team and as long as that happens I'm happy.
Then again maybe there are other players that really plan out who they are going to lynch the next day. I'm just not one of them.
I agree that someone needs to die today, I’m even fine with us moving forward without grief. I just find it dangerous to manufacture a system with that much rigidity.
Regarding the looking at a vet strat, I am highly uncertain.
Thief’s death reads as “unplanned” to me. Because of how late in the voting process his wagon started, I would assume there was little forethought to him being a newbie, and thus kill worthy.
I think the only way the Scum could have planned his death were if they were in the last few votes, but two newbs were the last two IIRC. Actually I think 3/5 newbies were voting for Thief.
Not saying it isn’t two vets, by the way. I just don’t think the deaths factor as much into player experience.
ok so this could just be me.
But I feel like you think scum really plans who to kill for the lynch. For me personally when I'm scum I'm not thinking in the night of who i'm going to lynch the next day. Basically my goals are try to not lynch my team and as long as that happens I'm happy.
Then again maybe there are other players that really plan out who they are going to lynch the next day. I'm just not one of them.
That’s my whole point, actually. WCD has been implying that because two newbies died the vets are to blame, I was saying that the likelihood of Thief’s death being planned is super low.
I agree that someone needs to die today, I’m even fine with us moving forward without grief. I just find it dangerous to manufacture a system with that much rigidity.
Regarding the looking at a vet strat, I am highly uncertain.
Thief’s death reads as “unplanned” to me. Because of how late in the voting process his wagon started, I would assume there was little forethought to him being a newbie, and thus kill worthy.
I think the only way the Scum could have planned his death were if they were in the last few votes, but two newbs were the last two IIRC. Actually I think 3/5 newbies were voting for Thief.
Not saying it isn’t two vets, by the way. I just don’t think the deaths factor as much into player experience.
ok so this could just be me.
But I feel like you think scum really plans who to kill for the lynch. For me personally when I'm scum I'm not thinking in the night of who i'm going to lynch the next day. Basically my goals are try to not lynch my team and as long as that happens I'm happy.
Then again maybe there are other players that really plan out who they are going to lynch the next day. I'm just not one of them.
That’s my whole point, actually. WCD has been implying that because two newbies died the vets are to blame, I was saying that the likelihood of Thief’s death being planned is super low.
Well, at least one vet to blame (scum) because I’m not scum and you and I are the only newbs left. So, if it’s you, you have a vet partner. If it’s not you and not me, it’s two vets.
I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?
wow this is skummy lol
We don't know if WCD, Awaclus, Chairs, or Eddie are town or skum. How is this relevant?
Fang flipped Town.
Are you arguing that you should get town points because you picked to start a wagon on Town!Fang instead of unkown Chairs or Eddie?... and all that under the assumption of a potential skum partner in WCD/Awaclus?
Skum!LL would pick fang if they knew they were town.
I just don't get the point here.
I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?
wow this is skummy lol
We don't know if WCD, Awaclus, Chairs, or Eddie are town or skum. How is this relevant?
Fang flipped Town.
Are you arguing that you should get town points because you picked to start a wagon on Town!Fang instead of unkown Chairs or Eddie?... and all that under the assumption of a potential skum partner in WCD/Awaclus?
Skum!LL would pick fang if they knew they were town.
I just don't get the point here.
I assume his point is “why would I start a wagon on a third person when there would be a guaranteed town wagon already started?”
To which my response is, how would LL have known the thief train would have gone all the way to three station?
I dunno, I am very confused, and want Raptor’s new persona to finish up his recap just so I can attempt a read on him.
Awaclus, what’s your thinking on Eddie?
If you're not his scum partner, why are you that interested in my thinking on him?
I was hoping that you might share your thinking so that we can lynch scum this time. With only six town left, we need to all be on the same page, it seems.
I’m liking Eddie, Chairs and Hydrad for scum. So you, me, swan, LL, and gkrieg all need to coalesce, yes?
this is like ultrabuddying
this is like ultrabuddying
Ha! The idea that it is possible to buddy Awa at all is funny to me. I have come to accept that Awaclus is not going to actually chat about what he is thinking, but he does respond to direct questions. So, that is what I am trying to do with him going forward.
For what it’s worth the last page has me utterly convinced that wcd is scum. One reason is I’m not sure vet!scum would prioritize newbie deaths - I know I wouldn’t (I would’ve killed awaclus last night, I hate your play style, sorry dude)
For what it’s worth the last page has me utterly convinced that wcd is scum. One reason is I’m not sure vet!scum would prioritize newbie deaths - I know I wouldn’t (I would’ve killed awaclus last night, I hate your play style, sorry dude)
still you're voting me
(I would’ve killed awaclus last night, I hate your play style, sorry dude)
weird, right
fwiw I am almost 100% sure chairs is scum
For what it’s worth the last page has me utterly convinced that wcd is scum. One reason is I’m not sure vet!scum would prioritize newbie deaths - I know I wouldn’t (I would’ve killed awaclus last night, I hate your play style, sorry dude)
I woke up with a super anti-Eddie feeling. It seems like he has spent the majority of the last few days trying to keep us spiraling under the guise of confusion. He defends Lalight, says Fangs lynch didn’t have a plan, etc but stops short of any real reads or forward momentum. I don’t see anything from what’s he’s said in the last few pages that is actually helpful.
Am I expecting too much? Or is that legit scum behavior?
weird, right
fwiw I am almost 100% sure chairs is scum
I also think Hydrad or Eddie is his partner
change raptor for gkrieg plz
Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?
I did not.
Also, vote: uncleeurope
Apologies - There are a lot of new players and I have not mentioned it this game - Weekends are essentially almost VLA for me most of the time in regards to content. I have a chance to keep up, but feedback is limited until Sunday evening normally.
That being said - I still think the Raptor wagon is weak af, so I have been doing read through's on those who are on him.
Let's start with the skummiest of my current vibes - Hydrad:
Hydrad:
1) This is them bringing up the doctoring claim idea, directly after they say they don't see a point in looking into it at this stage of the game.hmm. Actually I can think of a way to make sure they don't target each other. We could do something like doctor chooses to heal someone either 1/2 or 3 spots below them on the signup list. The doctor gets to choose what number to use so that way if scum kill gets blocked they don't know what one was the doctor. But it also means that doctors won't be able to both target each other.
I actually kinda like that idea now that I'm thinking about it.
2) Promoting the idea again. Also, adding in the point that the doctors need to target exactly each other seems like a skum mindset.but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice
you have to remember the a doctor can still heal another doctor. its just both doctors can't heal each other.
So we don't even lose a heal in that scenario. The only way we lose a heal is if doctors both heal the same target if we do the 1-4 way.
3) Summary of the below - Hydrad points out that if it the sign up order has all doctors and all skum within the same 4 in a row (it could actually be 5 together, just to be clear), that Skum would not in fact gain any information. This is false - by setting the rules forward that contain the cops to the pools of 4 underneath they get the reverse logic to narrow the pool - also, there is the fact that this set up COULD happen, and then Skum would have (in this particularly small chanced world) less information then they normally would.... orrrrr we just do random and there are no odds. Which is what he ended up conceding to.I'm fine with random if thats how we want it. But I would like to point out your theory has some flaws about how it can work.
I'll just make a super basic setup.
1. doc
2. doc
3. vt
4. vt
5. vt
6. vt
7. vt
8. vt
9. scum
10. scum
so in this scum could pick numbers 5-8. lynch 7. cop 6 and kill 8.
From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.
4) Why post this? I have thought about it and I cannot see how putting this out there would "help" skum. Only thing I could think of was maybe the lack of stated reads/stating you may lie about your reads early on could be used later in the game. Still though, def would assume reads lists are more valuable to skum then not having them. So, I guess this is townish?on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
5) Agrees with Awaclus about reads list thing... and then votes Raptor for either no reason or something I am not getting.on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.
Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.
Vote: raptor
Town Points:
- Effort put into the plan and the logic behind the reasoning of it.
- I guess pointing out the thing about reads lists early in the game.
Skum Points:
- All the doctoring plan stuff - Brought it up, obviously thought it through, then in the end just admits "oh yeah random would be better".
- The Raptor vote.
- Also, there is just something about their general need to appeal to other players this game that is throwing me off.
Vote: Hydrad
so yeah. I would still prefer Awaclus, but Hydrad would be my second.
Just so it is said - not a fan of no-lynch.
If I cannot rally support for Awaclus or Hydrad I will vote towards the end of DL on Chairs/Raptor/Eddie if those are still the only viable wagons.
Also, for the new players, when we get close to deadline, it is generally a favorable idea to state what your availability will be at that point.
I will be here for the 6ish hours up to deadline.
I don't like DatSwan's reads. He particularly takes the most active players and bases his reads on them, this seems ike an easy things to do. Especially given that some of the reads are really stretched.
In other words OMGUS
so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.
so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.
Why not switch to Raptor? Not enough time?
No. I may step on thin ice now, but i think Raptor requested replacement, so we should at least wait for someone else. This makes his inactivity NAI (not alignment indicative)
Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
This is a weird post. It's like you believe chairs actually is town and think about how to come out townie the next day...
Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.
But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.
Are you suggesting doctor reads are better than a nigh guaranteed lunch on scum D2?
If we weren’t so close to deadline I’d just drop my vote on you and leave it there.
as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadline
Agreed.
Vote: fang
I will be popping in and out of functional connectivity at work as I’m mostly in a basement today. vote: fang
Ok. Spent my 15 min on just catching up on the last 2 pages. So much good content and now I'm sad I don't have enough time to talk about some things I wanted. In like 2 hours I'll be on my lunch and should actually have time to talk.
Right now I'll say I'm not sold on fangs wagon yet. He was probably the person I was town reading the hardest so I would rather someone else if possible. Either way I will be back in like 2 with hopefully more posts
I am concerned with this shakeup right before death day. A lot of people seem to be switching their vote while implying that changing it will be improbable.
Feels like the vote is being held hostage.
I similarly am not a fan of the Thief kill at this moment. I would actually prefer the chairs kill. Because almost nothing has been said regarding Thief we can’t pull as much information if he flips town, either. At least that’s my understanding.
How is it that I have been waiting for this day for forever but now think it has come too quickly.
I will be available for longer here so when I Vote: chairs it is just to be a place holder.
what if chairs is the Fang's partner who wanted to bus but then saw that wagon is growing and left it :thonk:
But golly, I wish the folks on him were different.
Swaaaaannnn....where are you?! Hydrad???
A reference to the epic 80’s classic Top Gun.
I just wanted to hear what you were thinking...
There are to many things I'm thinking about I feel like. And I only have 10 minutes on lunch left. I'll be done work in 2 hours and 30 min though if the day is still going.
But if your wondering who I'm thinking for the lynch it's easily chairs. Well actually not easily. I think there are like 2 others I have above him but if we are comparing him to fang I will lynch chairs
I think chairs should claim at this point
Was possibly a fake hammer to try to get me to slip up but as I’m Town it wouldn’t have worked. Does lean me a little Town on Awaclus.
I think scum is content with the chairs lynch, which makes fang even scummier
infangthief has been lynched. They were Jake, a Vanilla Townie!
Night 1 starts now and will end at Sep 11, 18:00 forum time. That is in 24 hours. Night actions are due in 23 hours.
Gkrieg please keep in mind I have been phone posting the entirety of this game basically.
as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadline
Scummy from LaLight. As Robz pointed out in my most recent game, scum is more likely to look for scum slips
so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.
Why not switch to Raptor? Not enough time?
No. I may step on thin ice now, but i think Raptor requested replacement, so we should at least wait for someone else. This makes his inactivity NAI (not alignment indicative)
Oops, take back that last post. This is something LaLight would do as any alignment... sigh...
what if chairs is the Fang's partner who wanted to bus but then saw that wagon is growing and left it :thonk:
As I remember conspiracy theory LaLight is town!LaLight. I really don't want him to be town though.
I think scum is content with the chairs lynch, which makes fang even scummier
Why were you so against the chairs lynch? You had a really good chance to get the lynch to go through at this point by switching to chairs.
I think chairs should claim at this point
Looking for early claims.
Gkrieg please keep in mind I have been phone posting the entirety of this game basically.
What does that change?
I think scum is content with the chairs lynch, which makes fang even scummier
Why were you so against the chairs lynch? You had a really good chance to get the lynch to go through at this point by switching to chairs.
after fang said chairs' gonna flip scum I was sure fang is scum and chairs therefore is town. There was little time, and this was my final decision for a day
I won’t mind too terribly much if it leads to me getting lunched.
Gonna be really awkward when fang was right and I flip town, but then that’s what you want right? Scummy scum scum :P
Well of course you don’t think I’m gonna. You KNOW I’m gonna! Very different scenarios.
I won’t mind too terribly much if it leads to me getting lunched.
This is basically a vt claim for no reason
scumreading town!me gkrieg is usually scum!gkrieg, though I, personally, don't want him to be scum
Eh, more like this is chairs finally getting on antidepressants but that’s okay it’ll take a few games to get used to me this way :) 8)
Eh, more like this is chairs finally getting on antidepressants but that’s okay it’ll take a few games to get used to me this way :) 8)
Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?
I think knowing his role gives us a lot more information about day one.
I think his maneuvers in voting near the end could be seen as desperation.
My main concern is his wagon is extremely easy.
Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?
Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?
Go ahead.
Awaclus you have been very quiet today though. Although I think I know the answer already how do you feel about chairs. Is he near the top of your list?
Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?
Go ahead.
unvote
Why are you so insistent on staying off of lynch wagons?
Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?
Go ahead.
unvote
Why are you so insistent on staying off of lynch wagons?
I didn't mean to stay off of the lynch wagon yesterday, but someone got lynched while I was doing something else. In this case, I don't necessarily want to stay off of the lynch wagon, I just don't feel like voting for chairs at the moment.
Chairs is not at the top of my list, I’ll tell you that. And I would 100% use that as a cop-out if he flipped town. He seems to be the favorite from everyone else, though. And I know last game I played I was t feeling the Jester kill but went with it anyway and he flipped maf, so I am willing to join the wagon if it is what town wants.
Of course I would only say that if I agreed with other people’s beliefs regarding chairs.
In response to his wagon being easy, I haven’t heard anyone be against his death, that signals to me that the scummies might be just as pushy as townies when it comes to his demise. Does that mean that he’s town? No, just that it’s weird.
Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?
Go ahead.
unvote
Why are you so insistent on staying off of lynch wagons?
I didn't mean to stay off of the lynch wagon yesterday, but someone got lynched while I was doing something else. In this case, I don't necessarily want to stay off of the lynch wagon, I just don't feel like voting for chairs at the moment.
Why would you not want to vote for chairs but want to convince others to do so?
Chairs is not at the top of my list, I’ll tell you that. And I would 100% use that as a cop-out if he flipped town. He seems to be the favorite from everyone else, though. And I know last game I played I was t feeling the Jester kill but went with it anyway and he flipped maf, so I am willing to join the wagon if it is what town wants.
Of course I would only say that if I agreed with other people’s beliefs regarding chairs.
In response to his wagon being easy, I haven’t heard anyone be against his death, that signals to me that the scummies might be just as pushy as townies when it comes to his demise. Does that mean that he’s town? No, just that it’s weird.
Doing something just because town wants it when we still have quite a bit of time before the deadline is scummy. If chairs is not at the top of your list, make a case on why the person at the top of your list is scummier than chairs. What do we have wrong about chairs (I have made some points in my previous posts)?
I can see why you think not having any opposition to the wagon is weird, but do you think it is more likely to happen if chairs is town or scum?
Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?
Go ahead.
unvote
Why are you so insistent on staying off of lynch wagons?
I didn't mean to stay off of the lynch wagon yesterday, but someone got lynched while I was doing something else. In this case, I don't necessarily want to stay off of the lynch wagon, I just don't feel like voting for chairs at the moment.
Why would you not want to vote for chairs but want to convince others to do so?
Me voting for chairs doesn't tell me whether or not Eddie is willing to do so.
Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?
Go ahead.
unvote
Why are you so insistent on staying off of lynch wagons?
I didn't mean to stay off of the lynch wagon yesterday, but someone got lynched while I was doing something else. In this case, I don't necessarily want to stay off of the lynch wagon, I just don't feel like voting for chairs at the moment.
Why would you not want to vote for chairs but want to convince others to do so?
Me voting for chairs doesn't tell me whether or not Eddie is willing to do so.
You know your answer doesn't address the actual question I asked.
vote: Awaclus
I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?
wow this is skummy lol
We don't know if WCD, Awaclus, Chairs, or Eddie are town or skum. How is this relevant?
Fang flipped Town.
Are you arguing that you should get town points because you picked to start a wagon on Town!Fang instead of unkown Chairs or Eddie?... and all that under the assumption of a potential skum partner in WCD/Awaclus?
Skum!LL would pick fang if they knew they were town.
I just don't get the point here.
Why would I open a wagon, if there were already two wagons and if I am scum, there would be one guaranteed town?
Apologies - There are a lot of new players and I have not mentioned it this game - Weekends are essentially almost VLA for me most of the time in regards to content. I have a chance to keep up, but feedback is limited until Sunday evening normally.
That being said - I still think the Raptor wagon is weak af, so I have been doing read through's on those who are on him.
Let's start with the skummiest of my current vibes - Hydrad:
Hydrad:
1) This is them bringing up the doctoring claim idea, directly after they say they don't see a point in looking into it at this stage of the game.hmm. Actually I can think of a way to make sure they don't target each other. We could do something like doctor chooses to heal someone either 1/2 or 3 spots below them on the signup list. The doctor gets to choose what number to use so that way if scum kill gets blocked they don't know what one was the doctor. But it also means that doctors won't be able to both target each other.
I actually kinda like that idea now that I'm thinking about it.
2) Promoting the idea again. Also, adding in the point that the doctors need to target exactly each other seems like a skum mindset.but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice
you have to remember the a doctor can still heal another doctor. its just both doctors can't heal each other.
So we don't even lose a heal in that scenario. The only way we lose a heal is if doctors both heal the same target if we do the 1-4 way.
3) Summary of the below - Hydrad points out that if it the sign up order has all doctors and all skum within the same 4 in a row (it could actually be 5 together, just to be clear), that Skum would not in fact gain any information. This is false - by setting the rules forward that contain the cops to the pools of 4 underneath they get the reverse logic to narrow the pool - also, there is the fact that this set up COULD happen, and then Skum would have (in this particularly small chanced world) less information then they normally would.... orrrrr we just do random and there are no odds. Which is what he ended up conceding to.I'm fine with random if thats how we want it. But I would like to point out your theory has some flaws about how it can work.
I'll just make a super basic setup.
1. doc
2. doc
3. vt
4. vt
5. vt
6. vt
7. vt
8. vt
9. scum
10. scum
so in this scum could pick numbers 5-8. lynch 7. cop 6 and kill 8.
From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.
4) Why post this? I have thought about it and I cannot see how putting this out there would "help" skum. Only thing I could think of was maybe the lack of stated reads/stating you may lie about your reads early on could be used later in the game. Still though, def would assume reads lists are more valuable to skum then not having them. So, I guess this is townish?on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
5) Agrees with Awaclus about reads list thing... and then votes Raptor for either no reason or something I am not getting.on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.
On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.
Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.
Vote: raptor
Town Points:
- Effort put into the plan and the logic behind the reasoning of it.
- I guess pointing out the thing about reads lists early in the game.
Skum Points:
- All the doctoring plan stuff - Brought it up, obviously thought it through, then in the end just admits "oh yeah random would be better".
- The Raptor vote.
- Also, there is just something about their general need to appeal to other players this game that is throwing me off.
Vote: Hydrad
Here are you saying that Hydrad is likely to come up with a bad plan and push it even when he knows it's bad. That doesn't seem very Hydrady to me. I don't think he would put in that much work as scum, but could be wrong.
I have my desktop back up and running finally :)
Also @ GK - I still would like to know where you stand on Hydrad.
Hydrad seemed townie
I have my desktop back up and running finally :)
anyone that lynches chairs is immediate skum imo until they have time to catch up on a computer. Chairs - not to put a clock on you but like... lets say a day?
I’m, no. One day is better.
Vote: LL
Just hold this for me a bit, will you? I might need it back in a bit.
I just woke up....yikes that was close! Thanks, cooler minds. I wasn’t ready to lynch yet and didn’t realize we were so close.
I am stacked with work today (as evidenced by my 5:30 wake up!), but should have some time to reread Hydrad today and agree that we need to let Chairs respond using his new and improved and not-broken computer.
I’m feeling town about Dat, gkrieg, or Awa so choosing between those two seems to be the real task. I don’t see any reason to rush when we have two days.
Unvote
Oh, I see it was L-2. Okay...so unvote wasn’t necessary but the reason is the same. Avoiding the derp.
I think Awaclus is actually scum here.
Okay so I would highly suggest putting me back at L-1 so we don't miss the lynch at deadline (in case I can't convince you all there's better options).
I have to go to work, probably back in 11-12 hours, at which point I am going to do a full reread and probably do some very massive post spam.
Okay so I would highly suggest putting me back at L-1 so we don't miss the lynch at deadline (in case I can't convince you all there's better options).
I have to go to work, probably back in 11-12 hours, at which point I am going to do a full reread and probably do some very massive post spam.
this is a weird post.
But I'm looking forward to the post spam.
Okay so I would highly suggest putting me back at L-1 so we don't miss the lynch at deadline (in case I can't convince you all there's better options).
I have to go to work, probably back in 11-12 hours, at which point I am going to do a full reread and probably do some very massive post spam.
this is a weird post.
But I'm looking forward to the post spam.
The way I figure it, I don’t want the day to end in no lynch and so I’d rather eat the lynch myself than end up at no lynch. I’m still hopeful that I can convince everyone to vote elsewhere but if I can’t then I’ll take the hit to ensure this matter is settled and we don’t spend D3 arguing about a no lynch and what that means. I actually think a no lynch benefits scum more than my mislynch in this case.
I agree, I believe our current candidates are Awa/Hydrad/LL
I wouldn’t be opposed to WCD either.
In preparation for this to actually be a skum tacTic meant to dismantle our only wagon close to dl trying for no lynch... we should create a back up wagon so not every other player has 1 vote on them.
I agree, I believe our current candidates are Awa/Hydrad/LL
I wouldn’t be opposed to WCD either.WCDEddie is just as much of a candidate.
Hydrad/Awa/WCD/LL/Eddie
Sure, I’ll throw my hat in.
We need to start removing names, though.
15: "You should fabricate reads." +3
I’m not sure if he’s scum, or just anti-cooperative town.
I’m not sure if he’s scum, or just anti-cooperative town.
I'm town and don't want to cooperate with scum.
How do we know you're town if you're giving literally no content to work with? Saying "I'm town" all the time doesn't help, you see
Can you explain that more to me, Chairs? We want an odd number, why? (Think of this as your newb service...)
Thanks, Awa. I appreciate the help!
So, it seems in our best interest to no lynch, then. Next question....do we do that soon?
We definitely should talk a bit first before throwing the day away, we learned some valuable info with Hydrad’s reveal. We should just calm down a bit.
We can no-lynch later if we need to.
We definitely should talk a bit first before throwing the day away, we learned some valuable info with Hydrad’s reveal. We should just calm down a bit.
We can no-lynch later if we need to.
We should avoid talking about reads though, as that will make it easier for scum to kill correctly.
Hi. I am still very ill, I really hope I can shake the illness through weekends. We should no lynch here, of course
We definitely should talk a bit first before throwing the day away, we learned some valuable info with Hydrad’s reveal. We should just calm down a bit.
We can no-lynch later if we need to.
We should avoid talking about reads though, as that will make it easier for scum to kill correctly.
What is there for scum to read correctly? Both doctors are done, so we are VT and scum, right? Am I missing something?
We definitely should talk a bit first before throwing the day away, we learned some valuable info with Hydrad’s reveal. We should just calm down a bit.
We can no-lynch later if we need to.
We should avoid talking about reads though, as that will make it easier for scum to kill correctly.
What is there for scum to read correctly? Both doctors are done, so we are VT and scum, right? Am I missing something?
You are missing that we have reads. Scum wants to kill the townies who correctly read scum and the townies who are being correctly townread by most of town, and they want to keep easy mislynch targets around.
So yeah no lynch is the play. I think we should do it tomorrow over today though from an information gather POV.
So yeah no lynch is the play. I think we should do it tomorrow over today though from an information gather POV.
The information gather POV is exactly why we should do it today over tomorrow. We want to force scum to decide on the first night kill without hearing any more from us.
If we no-lynch without talking one of us won’t get to have an opinion.
I think that might be important, but what do I know?
Plus it’s not like their kill could be influenced that much. I doubt it would move too far from what is already planned in their heads. I would think it’s obvious...?
The problem is that we all know is getting killed tonight. So why not wait that part out
Vote: Awaclus
I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?
I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?
Well, the way I see it is that he is likely scum. And if he is not, there is an NK, and then we can no lynch Day 4, right? That would still set up 2-1?
I feel like if we no lynch today, DatSwan gets axed in the night, and then we have less helpful and knowledgeable group on Day 4, especially if Awaclus is still among us.
If there isn't momentum on Awa, I'll shift to no lynch, but Eddie and Chairs should weigh in first.
Are feeling any better, LL? I hope you are getting some good rest.
I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?
Well, the way I see it is that he is likely scum. And if he is not, there is an NK, and then we can no lynch Day 4, right? That would still set up 2-1?
I feel like if we no lynch today, DatSwan gets axed in the night, and then we have less helpful and knowledgeable group on Day 4, especially if Awaclus is still among us.
If there isn't momentum on Awa, I'll shift to no lynch, but Eddie and Chairs should weigh in first.
Are feeling any better, LL? I hope you are getting some good rest.
Temperature isn't going down which somehow affects my thinking. I don't see the difference between lynching Awa now and lynching him then. You're so confident DS is axed tonight, do you know for sure he's not scum? How? I feel more like you or me are getting axed tonight
I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?
Well, the way I see it is that he is likely scum. And if he is not, there is an NK, and then we can no lynch Day 4, right? That would still set up 2-1?
I feel like if we no lynch today, DatSwan gets axed in the night, and then we have less helpful and knowledgeable group on Day 4, especially if Awaclus is still among us.
If there isn't momentum on Awa, I'll shift to no lynch, but Eddie and Chairs should weigh in first.
Are feeling any better, LL? I hope you are getting some good rest.
Temperature isn't going down which somehow affects my thinking. I don't see the difference between lynching Awa now and lynching him then. You're so confident DS is axed tonight, do you know for sure he's not scum? How? I feel more like you or me are getting axed tonight
Ugh. I am so sorry. I hate how a fever makes my eyeballs feel like they are on fire. It's gotta break soon! And then you will be on the mend. I am sending you good thoughts.
DatSwan is the only person who has not ever been mentioned as suspicious or on anyone's radar. You, me, Eddie, chairs, and Awaclus have all had either votes or talks about votes. So, I was assuming he'd be the kill. And I think he was assuming that, too, based on his earlier comment.
I think the upshot to lynching Awa now is that if he is scum, we win! If he's not, then we no lynch and see what we are left with on the last day.
I don’t know what this means, but I’ll go read M86
I don’t know what this means, but I’ll go read M86
I mean DS can be scum whom no one thinks he is, that’s the point. Trlling “he was never suspected therefore he’s town” is simply not true. With this i am leaving to sleep
Eh, I find datswan no more valid a NK than anyone else. Scumpoints for wcd
I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?
Swan, what is “VCA perspective”?
So yeah no lynch is the play. I think we should do it tomorrow over today though from an information gather POV.
The information gather POV is exactly why we should do it today over tomorrow. We want to force scum to decide on the first night kill without hearing any more from us.
Legit the worst play i have ever seen on this site if you flip Town man.
Legit the worst play i have ever seen on this site if you flip Town man.
I’m upset.
LL, I hope you’re feeling better
Hhhmmmm.....so, why am I alive?
I have been voting for chairs on and off all game. It would be easy for me to decide, again, that he is scum. If he is scum, then it doesn't make much sense to choose to kill Eddie over me. If chairs was scum, wouldn't he kill LL instead of Eddie? Leaving two vets alive is certainly harder for me.
Eddie is (maybe) the only one to have voted for LL. I don't know that he was ever super-chairs suspicious. His death kind of points to LL.
LL has been sick and I have felt bad for him, so there is some goodwill there, and if he is scum that is a reason to keep me alive. Eddie was way more suspicious of LL than I was, although I did have that thought experiment sometime earlier in the game.
Is it that LL is a good scum player and has created suspicion on everyone that is not him, or is it that chairs has been scum from the start and this is actually an easy decision?? This must be what the wine is all about....
I have been reading chairs again this morning and remembering why he felt scummy to me, but it feels a bit disingenuous because why I alive!? So, I will keep reading and thinking but that is my most troubling issue, existential angst aside.
I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?
OK here is the wagon at the end of the day - ish.
Important thing to remember here is that:
1) There are only two skum
2) One of the Skum is NOT GK
3) Hydrad was the only Skum!PR
Vote Count 2.8
Hydrad (3): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope
chairs (4):Hydrad, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Awaclus
Awaclus (1):gkrieg13
-Swan, Chairs, Eddie on Hydrad the whole way through. Could of hammered chairs at like any point in time. Very unlikely skum from Swan and Eddie. If it is Chairs!Hydrad... still unlikely as Hydrad was the PR, they probably would of bailed and pushed another wagon... But, still could be a thing.
- LL, WCD, Awaclus on Chairs.
Vote Count 2.9Hydrad (4): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope, LaLightchairs (3):Hydrad, WestCoastDidds, AwaclusAwaclus (1):gkrieg13
- LL switches to Hydrad and puts them at L-1... Which doesn't really make sense if it is LL!Hydrad because chairs was L-1 and everyone was saying they were not going to let it go to no lynch.
- WCD and Awaclus could hammer at this point.
Final Vote Count - Day 2Hydrad (5): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope, LaLight, WestCoastDiddschairs (2):Hydrad, AwaclusAwaclus (1):gkrieg13
- LL does the weird Fake Hammer thing.. Dunno what that means.
- WCD Hammers. At this point would do it as Skum or Town.
- Only other alive player that could of hammered was Awaclus.
From a VCA perspective:
- It is almost certainly NOT [Swan, Chairs, Eddie, LL].
- It could be Chairs in a far off world.
- It is most likely [Awaclus or WCD].
I am on Awaclus now, but to be honest I need to look closer at WCD.
More important than who looks skummy... Skum knows that 3-4 players look very towny. They would want as many chances to kill as possible without taking risks during the day with lynches at this point.
I am not saying no-lynch is wrong. But I am saying we got some shit to talk about before we end this day.
and also the point that you are not dead is moot. I am not dead as well, I was like 95% sure I will be dead toDay. chairs wouldn't kill me because there would be 2 newbs and chairs and I think you would get him down. Correct move for him was to kill you or Eddie. But guess what, Eddie is not an eligible Hydrad partner as well.
You are though.
Mad propz to you if you're really scum, but I think this was chairs' desperate move.
Also LaLight hammers his scum partner EVERY time, so that should have been a huge scum tell. Well played LaLight
Indeed - ending days quickly to "prevent information from spreading so as to not help scum" is strictly anti-town. Town's only asset is information, especially when the remaining setup is pure vanilla. Without interactions, town gets nothing to work with. Scum doesn't need those interactions. The insights are not going to give scum some magical ability with which to control the town. You may not need a full 7 days, but every player should be given the chance to weigh in and argue not only their own reads, but also their own cases if need be.
Also LaLight hammers his scum partner EVERY time, so that should have been a huge scum tell. Well played LaLight
I didn’t hammer!
Also LaLight hammers his scum partner EVERY time, so that should have been a huge scum tell. Well played LaLight
I didn’t hammer!
True, I guess I should just say busses!
Sorry Hydrad for pushing you over the edge
Double sorry infang for lynching you, I hated doing this but you were the threat
Sorry WCD, but I buddied you from the first minute in
Thanks everyone for the game! I think this was my best scum performance ever!
Well played LaLight!
Sorry for giving you the chance to lynch me, if it made you feel bad like that. And I would even have defended you for going after me - I thought you'd made an honest mistake, misunderstanding me. Even told my wife that you couldn't be the scum.
And no sympathy anymore for you having no-one to talk to after you bumped off two Europeans.
I am pretty sure we had wagons on 2 scums, and I would not do this to bus my partner, because why would i?