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[chairs]

Mostly thinking I hate day 1 and that I’m eager to Lynch someone.

[hypercube]

I wasn't feeling incredibly confident about where my vote is so I did a quick reread of Eddie in this game vs. Eddie in NM12 (where he was town). Eddie in NM12 was significantly more confident and engaged in scumhunting. In this game we get a lot more self-conscious asides like this:

(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)

I would characterize Eddie's tone in this game as anxious. Notably at post #170, where he seems insistent on dismissing people's scumreads of him despite the fact that no-one was actually voting for him at that point.

1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.

...

2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

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4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.

Then LL votes for him and he acts like he's at L-1 instead of L-5.

Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.

I think a VT would be less concerned with their own survival, especially when they don't actually have a wagon on them. So, I'm happy with my vote where it is.

[WestCoastDidds]

In NM12, did he ever have votes in him? I don’t recall him being targeted at all so he never had to defend himself.

But not saying he’s not scum, just that this might be a new situation for him as opposed to last time.

[chairs]

vote: westcoastdidds let people defend their own selves

[hypercube]

He was at L-2 for a while mid-D1.

[Uncleeurope]

I wasn't feeling incredibly confident about where my vote is so I did a quick reread of Eddie in this game vs. Eddie in NM12 (where he was town). Eddie in NM12 was significantly more confident and engaged in scumhunting. In this game we get a lot more self-conscious asides like this:

(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)

I would characterize Eddie's tone in this game as anxious. Notably at post #170, where he seems insistent on dismissing people's scumreads of him despite the fact that no-one was actually voting for him at that point.

1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.

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2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

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4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.

Then LL votes for him and he acts like he's at L-1 instead of L-5.

Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.

I think a VT would be less concerned with their own survival, especially when they don't actually have a wagon on them. So, I'm happy with my vote where it is.

These reads are fair, and I like them a lot better than your previous post regarding me.


Also WCD, I was voted for last game, and I reacted very differently. I actually am uncertain as to why I reacted differently, myself.

My best guess is that in that other game I didn't find it likely I would be trageted, this game I found (find) it more likely. I dunno. Fair criticism.

I will go back to Vote: Raptor I guess.

He claims he will say something substantive eventually, I am curious when he plans on doing so, because it hasn't happened yet.

PPE 2

[WestCoastDidds]

vote: westcoastdidds let people defend their own selves

Good point. I’m a team player and thinking town team comes easier to me, but the only way to know people is to hear them. Apologies.

[infangthief]

DatSwan questioned the wisdom of putting Eddie at L-1:

Little early to be so close to hammer yeah?

I don't see how claiming would be good here. Either VT or Doc gets claimed. Doc claim could lead to a lot of sticky situations:

1) They are doc and get lynched anyways
2) They are skum and get lynched anyways (great)
3) They are skum and do not get lynched, they will probably draw a doc shot at night to be wasted.
4) They are town and do not get lynched, and that opens up complicated CC situations.


anyone read the situation differently?

Yes, I read the situation very differently:

1. I am not a doctor

Uncleeurope (may I call you Eddie?) could you give us a percentage chance of how likely you are to lie as town in this particular game?

2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

I think, after that, if Eddie, at L-1, were to claim to be a doctor, the appropriate response would be to Laugh And Lynch. We could call it LAL, right?

[LaLight]

Checking in. I don’t think Eddie’s response was too townie, but chairs voting for WCD is just terrible. How about vote: chairs after all

[infangthief]

I have a more serious response to DatSwan also.

I think you are correct about sticky claim situations, but:

Little early to be so close to hammer yeah?

When would you rather deal with sticky claim situations? Just before the deadline?

PPE: 1

[infangthief]

And another thing that makes me a bit uneasy is that I think if Eddie flips as Town, then we don't get an awful lot of information from the wagon - he feels like an 'easy' person to justify voting for.
Eg hypercube went for an argument along the lines of 'not very useful to town'. (And I was including a bit of that in my reasoning too.)

But an 'easy' wagon is both:
easy for scum to join without so much suspicion.
easy for the wagon to reach a lynch without scum lifting a finger.

Would you agree, hypercube?

Then why not unvote? You seem to be very unsettled.

I did consider unvoting, but there seemed to be plenty of good reasons to keep my vote there. Here are the ones that I feel able to share at the moment:
1. My main reason for voting Eddie in the first place was for his scumminess.
2. I think I have more reasons for thinking Eddie is scum than the ones I put in the post where I voted for him.
3. Even though Eddie flipping as town might not be hugely informative, if he flips as scum, that would be hugely informative (as well as just generally good).
4. L-1 probably provokes better reactions from other players.
5. My reads of people are highly likely to change, including the scummy ones that were on the Eddie wagon.
6. I definitely prefer an Eddie lynch to a no-lynch, and it seems like 6 out of 10 players agreeing on a day 1 lynch might be tricky (I don't really know, though, this being my first game).
7. I think I am naturally over-cautious, so should make a determined effort sometimes to throw caution to the wind, otherwise I'd never get anywhere.

[Hydrad]

And another thing that makes me a bit uneasy is that I think if Eddie flips as Town, then we don't get an awful lot of information from the wagon - he feels like an 'easy' person to justify voting for.
Eg hypercube went for an argument along the lines of 'not very useful to town'. (And I was including a bit of that in my reasoning too.)

But an 'easy' wagon is both:
easy for scum to join without so much suspicion.
easy for the wagon to reach a lynch without scum lifting a finger.

Would you agree, hypercube?

Then why not unvote? You seem to be very unsettled.

I did consider unvoting, but there seemed to be plenty of good reasons to keep my vote there. Here are the ones that I feel able to share at the moment:
1. My main reason for voting Eddie in the first place was for his scumminess.
2. I think I have more reasons for thinking Eddie is scum than the ones I put in the post where I voted for him.
3. Even though Eddie flipping as town might not be hugely informative, if he flips as scum, that would be hugely informative (as well as just generally good).
4. L-1 probably provokes better reactions from other players.
5. My reads of people are highly likely to change, including the scummy ones that were on the Eddie wagon.
6. I definitely prefer an Eddie lynch to a no-lynch, and it seems like 6 out of 10 players agreeing on a day 1 lynch might be tricky (I don't really know, though, this being my first game).
7. I think I am naturally over-cautious, so should make a determined effort sometimes to throw caution to the wind, otherwise I'd never get anywhere.

These are pretty good points.

I will answer your 6.

I have yet to ever see a no-lynch on day 1 from what I remember.

This forum believes day 1 lynch is much better then no lynch so the discussion never even happens if we should no lynch.

Really the only time we no-lynch is when we get to 4 people left 1 scum, and we sometimes let a no lynch go through to try to get it with just 3 people left to have better odds in finding scum.

[Swowl]

I have a more serious response to DatSwan also.

I think you are correct about sticky claim situations, but:

Little early to be so close to hammer yeah?

When would you rather deal with sticky claim situations? Just before the deadline?

PPE: 1

Kind of. I mean, I get your point, but the worse situation than having a claim at DL would be having a claim "at DL minus the perfect amount of time for skum to mess with shit". Since we were approaching the weekend, I thought it would be safe to point out the downsides.

[WestCoastDidds]

So many cocktails...not thinking super clear. But it seems like Monday is not too close to deadline since DL is later Monday.

Sadz that weekends are LA for most.

No lynch sucks. Not gonna happen, amirite?

[Swowl]

So many cocktails...not thinking super clear. But it seems like Monday is not too close to deadline since DL is later Monday.

Sadz that weekends are LA for most.

No lynch sucks. Not gonna happen, amirite?

It would be a first for me on this site.

[infangthief]

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.8

Awaclus (1): DatSwan
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
WestCoastDidds (1): chairs
chairs (3): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight
Uncleeurope (3): infangthief, hypercube, Awaclus

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Sep 10, 18:00 forum time. That is in 34h 20m.

[chairs]

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

Also, vote: uncleeurope

[infangthief]

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?

[infangthief]

Eddie, I know this was a couple of days ago, so things may have changed, but I found this thoughtstream very strange:

5. Chairs seems reeeeaal iffy to me right now... If only he would respond after signing someone away to death. I don't want to vote for him though, I feel like swinging from one wagon to another has no benefits. <snip>

I honestly don't know who to vote for,

Vote: Raptor

I will stick with that until I don't.

You thought chairs was real iffy, but voted for Raptor with no reason?
Since then you've done a bit of moving your vote around (not sure I can quite accuse it of the wagon-swinging you said you wouldn't do), but the bit I find intriguing is that you've never put your vote on chairs. Who was real iffy. What's going on?

[chairs]

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?

In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.

Poe: q

[chairs]

Lol autocorrect PPE 1

[infangthief]

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?

In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.

Poe: q

Thank you chairs, good answer, I think.
I'm going to persist a bit longer though...
Is there another possible outcome that could have happened from that Awaclus wagon that would also have suited you quite well?

[chairs]

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?

In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.

Poe: q

Thank you chairs, good answer, I think.
I'm going to persist a bit longer though...
Is there another possible outcome that could have happened from that Awaclus wagon that would also have suited you quite well?

Hmm. Scum quick hammering awaclus or awaclus getting hammered and being scum would have been nice outcomes. All in all though those are unrealistic for most games so I’m happy with how things panned out.

[infangthief]

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?

In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.

Poe: q

Thank you chairs, good answer, I think.
I'm going to persist a bit longer though...
Is there another possible outcome that could have happened from that Awaclus wagon that would also have suited you quite well?

Hmm. Scum quick hammering awaclus or awaclus getting hammered and being scum would have been nice outcomes. All in all though those are unrealistic for most games so I’m happy with how things panned out.

So you're saying that Awaclus getting quick-hammered (within 36 hours of game start), and then flipping as town, would have been one of the nice outcomes that would have suited you quite well?