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[yuma]

I can work on this... so you want not only votes, but suspicions expressed?

And would you be confortable with me, one of your scum reads, working on it?

[TheMunch]

I can work on this... so you want not only votes, but suspicions expressed?

And would you be confortable with me, one of your scum reads, working on it?

Thanks for doing it if you do.  Just put in post numbers some someone unbiased can skim through and corroborate.  Maybe volt.

[Voltgloss]

I can work on this... so you want not only votes, but suspicions expressed?

And would you be confortable with me, one of your scum reads, working on it?

Yes, I'd be comfortable with that, as long as there are post numbers (as TheMunch suggested) so we can cross-reference.  Full quotes aren't necessary.  Thanks, yuma.

[yuma]

I can work on this... so you want not only votes, but suspicions expressed?

And would you be confortable with me, one of your scum reads, working on it?

Yes, I'd be comfortable with that, as long as there are post numbers (as TheMunch suggested) so we can cross-reference.  Full quotes aren't necessary.  Thanks, yuma.

K post numbers is hard, I typically do this sort of stuff on the print screen, but I guess I can try it a different way...

[Voltgloss]

K post numbers is hard, I typically do this sort of stuff on the print screen, but I guess I can try it a different way...

Oh, I never realized the printscreen didn't have post numbers.  Maybe date/timestamp then?  Just, some way everyone can track back to the posts in question.

[yuma]

Doing this by post #:

Qvist: 275 votes Frisk for being on ehunt wagon and galz wagon
Jot: 276 scummy vibe out of Qvist's post.
jot: 280 suspsicious of frisk for a mass claim suggestion
jot 284 votes Grujah/volt for lurking
Axxle 285 votes jot for his previous vote
ash 288 votes frisk for a "whoops I didn't know setup" mistake
yuma 290 votes ash, (actually voted Frisk, but it was a mistake that was correct later) for previous day behavior and for making a poor case
volt 297 votes yuma for his hammer

jot 312 votes yuma following volt's case
ash 313 votes yuma see above, still suspicious of frisk
munch 317 expresses suspicion of yuma, doesn't vote
munch 320 votes yuma see above and for not having shame
eevee 325 uneasy about yuma wagon
frisk 334 expresses a slight town feel on yuma, because hammering is a very aggressive play
qvist 350 says yuma look suspicious, but reads town. continues vote and suspicion of frisk
eevee 354 doesn't have solid reads, puts qvist and jot toward the top of scum
frisk 357 has player list and doesn't express reads, but instead gives information
munch 363 expresses an eevee suspicion in conjunction with yuma scum read as well as qvist
frisk 371 votes eevee w/o explanation
jot 394 expresses suspicion of eevee

yuma 401 expresses town read on munch
eevee 402 town read on munch and yuma; scum read on qvist, jot, axxle... oh and ash
eevee 412 votes jot for overly pushing yuma lynch
qvist 426 reads CF mafia; ash, eevee, munch as scummy; volt, jot and axxle null and yuma as town
ash 431 votes yuma because nothing has changed since he last unvoted and unvotes in 433
frisk 436 gives reads: eevee, ash, jot ( I think he has a vote on eevee at this point and keeps it) has yuma and munch town
jot 454 expresses scum read on eevee, again? I think.
axxle 474 votes ash for his vote/unvote earlier
axxle 482 scum reads on ash, jot, frisk and eevee; null on munch, volt, yuma town on qvist

qvist 504 votes eevee mostly for not wanting to lynch themunch
jot 516 has no opinion on ashersky
531 and 532 yuma and frisk vote volt for being slow to get case up
534 frisk expresses a slight suspicion of yuma for his volt vote
540 axxle votes frisk (actually accidentally voted voltgloss, but fixed it) for frisk's vote on volt
558 yuma votes ashersky after unvoting volt
559 ash votes yuma to put him back to L-1
578 qvist votes frisk for voting voltgloss
591 volt still suspicious of yuma, but less so with the claim; if yuma is town scum=ash, qvist, frisk; if yuma is scum, scum=axxle, eevee
598 frisk votes eevee after unvoting volt

601 eevee suspicious of: qvist, jot, ashersky
605 eevee votes qvist
611 yuma votes qvist after reading volt's "if yuma is town then..." analysis
615 qvist yuma looks town, but doens't provide a reason why; has scum feels on themunch, ash and jot; but very strong scum reads on eevee and frisk
619 ash says he is willing to vote for frisk and themunch but not eevee or voltgloss
633 yuma reads: of people off yuma wagon; axxle most town, qvist and frisk scum, eevee null
643 qvist unvotes frisk and begins to question read on yuma because he has scum reads on eevee and frisk
654 after being prompted by volt frisk gives his reads; yuma, qvist and munch are town for various reasons; scum is to be found in volt, jot, axxle, eevee, ash
655 eeveevotes ash
665 axxle unvotes, still has a town read on yuma and will reread
666 jot; torn on yuma read
681 munch continues to press an eevee scum read
693 jot: ash is an acceptable lynch, but worried that it is lead by eevee, yuma
694-5 volt and munch second above

710 jot: will vote elsewhere if yuma isn't lynched when he comes back
721 axxle: ok with ash lynch, but worried large amount on it
722 volt:warming to an ash lynch

I think that is it! Underlines are votes. I hope I caught everything, please let everyone know if you feel that I missed something or made a mistake. I tried to avoid doing anything that required me to interpret and just put what was stated.

[Captain_Frisk]

i dont even know why i'm suspected this much.

You're too nice? 

[Eevee]

i dont even know why i'm suspected this much.

You're too nice?

Because that's so inconsistent with my earlier behavior (town in 90% of the games)? I know how you feel about self meta arguments but you kind of drove me to this one.

Yuma's excellent summary didn't quite do justice to how strongly I've opposed his wagon, but
I guess that's pretty clear to everyone at this point anyways.

[yuma]

i dont even know why i'm suspected this much.

You're too nice?

Because that's so inconsistent with my earlier behavior (town in 90% of the games)? I know how you feel about self meta arguments but you kind of drove me to this one.

Yuma's excellent summary didn't quite do justice to how strongly I've opposed his wagon, but
I guess that's pretty clear to everyone at this point anyways.

yeah there were a lot of repeat reads, for instance themunch continually being suspicious of me. If there was a change in emphasis or a return to a read I tried to include it.

I also didn't do quite as much on non-suspicions as I did on suspicions.

[Voltgloss]

Thanks, yuma.  Here's the same data you just posted, but reorganized by player.  Analysis to follow separately.


Qvist: 275 votes Frisk for being on ehunt wagon and galz wagon
qvist 350 says yuma look suspicious, but reads town. continues vote and suspicion of frisk
qvist 426 reads CF mafia; ash, eevee, munch as scummy; volt, jot and axxle null and yuma as town
qvist 504 votes eevee mostly for not wanting to lynch themunch
578 qvist votes frisk for voting voltgloss
615 qvist yuma looks town, but doens't provide a reason why; has scum feels on themunch, ash and jot; but very strong scum reads on eevee and frisk
643 qvist unvotes frisk and begins to question read on yuma because he has scum reads on eevee and frisk

---

Jot: 276 scummy vibe out of Qvist's post.
jot: 280 suspsicious of frisk for a mass claim suggestion
jot 284 votes Grujah/volt for lurking
jot 312 votes yuma following volt's case
jot 394 expresses suspicion of eevee
jot 454 expresses scum read on eevee, again? I think.
jot 516 has no opinion on ashersky
666 jot; torn on yuma read
693 jot: ash is an acceptable lynch, but worried that it is lead by eevee, yuma
710 jot: will vote elsewhere if yuma isn't lynched when he comes back

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Axxle 285 votes jot for his previous vote
axxle 474 votes ash for his vote/unvote earlier
axxle 482 scum reads on ash, jot, frisk and eevee; null on munch, volt, yuma town on qvist
540 axxle votes frisk (actually accidentally voted voltgloss, but fixed it) for frisk's vote on volt
665 axxle unvotes, still has a town read on yuma and will reread
721 axxle: ok with ash lynch, but worried large amount on it

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ash 288 votes frisk for a "whoops I didn't know setup" mistake
ash 313 votes yuma see above, still suspicious of frisk
ash 431 votes yuma because nothing has changed since he last unvoted and unvotes in 433
559 ash votes yuma to put him back to L-1
619 ash says he is willing to vote for frisk and themunch but not eevee or voltgloss

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yuma 290 votes ash, (actually voted Frisk, but it was a mistake that was correct later) for previous day behavior and for making a poor case
yuma 401 expresses town read on munch
531 and 532 yuma and frisk vote volt for being slow to get case up
558 yuma votes ashersky after unvoting volt
611 yuma votes qvist after reading volt's "if yuma is town then..." analysis
633 yuma reads: of people off yuma wagon; axxle most town, qvist and frisk scum, eevee null

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volt 297 votes yuma for his hammer
591 volt still suspicious of yuma, but less so with the claim; if yuma is town scum=ash, qvist, frisk; if yuma is scum, scum=axxle, eevee
694-5 volt and munch second above  (joth's 693:  "693 jot: ash is an acceptable lynch, but worried that it is lead by eevee, yuma")
722 volt:warming to an ash lynch

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munch 317 expresses suspicion of yuma, doesn't vote
munch 320 votes yuma see above and for not having shame
munch 363 expresses an eevee suspicion in conjunction with yuma scum read as well as qvist
681 munch continues to press an eevee scum read
694-5 volt and munch second above  (joth's 693:  "693 jot: ash is an acceptable lynch, but worried that it is lead by eevee, yuma")

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eevee 325 uneasy about yuma wagon
eevee 354 doesn't have solid reads, puts qvist and jot toward the top of scum
eevee 402 town read on munch and yuma; scum read on qvist, jot, axxle... oh and ash
eevee 412 votes jot for overly pushing yuma lynch
601 eevee suspicious of: qvist, jot, ashersky
605 eevee votes qvist
655 eeveevotes ash

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frisk 334 expresses a slight town feel on yuma, because hammering is a very aggressive play
frisk 357 has player list and doesn't express reads, but instead gives information
frisk 371 votes eevee w/o explanation
frisk 436 gives reads: eevee, ash, jot ( I think he has a vote on eevee at this point and keeps it) has yuma and munch town
531 and 532 yuma and frisk vote volt for being slow to get case up
534 frisk expresses a slight suspicion of yuma for his volt vote
598 frisk votes eevee after unvoting volt
654 after being prompted by volt frisk gives his reads; yuma, qvist and munch are town for various reasons; scum is to be found in volt, jot, axxle, eevee, ash

[yuma]

thanks, further breaking that info down:

Qvist:
suspicion of: themunch, eevee, frisk, ash, jot, yuma
voted for: eevee, frisk

jot:
suspicion of: qvist, frisk, grujah, yuma, eevee, ash
voted for: grujah, yuma

axxle:
suspicion of: jot, ash, frisk, eevee,
voted for: jot, ash, frisk

ash:
suspicion of: frisk, yuma, munch
voted for: frisk, yuma

yuma:
suspicion of: ash, voltgloss, qvist, frisk
voted for: ash, volt, qvist

volt:
suspicion of; yuma, (ash, qvist, frisk is yuma is town) (axxle, eevee if yuma is scum), ash
voted for: yuma

munch:
suspicion of: yuma, eevee, qvist, ash
voted for: yuma

eevee:
suspicion of: qvist, jot, axxle, ash
voted: jot, qvist, ash

frisk:
suspicion of: eevee, ash, jot, yuma, (scum to be found in jot, axxle, eevee, volt, ash)
voted for: eevee, volt

[Axxle]

I had some suspicion of munch, not a lot though.

[yuma]

Volt, what was it that you wanted to do with this information?

[ashersky]

I'm here now, and will be around most of the day, although that's night for most of you.

I see I get the lynch the lurker treatment yet again.  *sigh*

Sorry, I've just been mislynched a bunch lately.

Anyway, I've given reads, although they are a good number of pages back now.  I was on Frisk D1, continued on D2, and would still vote for him.  Throughout this latest yuma or alternates talk, I think he's been trying to lead town, especially with his "let's just lynch everyone on this list until we win" idea, which sounds an awful lot like something scum!Frisk would come up with to just auto-win for his scum team.  Imagine if we went with it...he just chose who he wanted.

My vote's still on yuma, and I think he's a good lynch for today.  There's been plenty of discussion, which people always required so they don't complain about derphammers (see hydras, where we continue to disagree).  When he flips scum, it'll tell us a lot, especially about those who bussed hard and/or tried to save him.  If he flips town, again, plenty of information, but I don't think this is the most likely scenario (probably 30%).

I had a town read on Eevee from before, but I see some folks have made some cases on him since.  I'm not convinced yet, and don't think he's the right lynch for today.  I continue to support my VG town read, and would put him right behind me on the towniness scale.

Qvist and TheMunch are both hard to read, because they're a bit forward in their style, Q is new, and I don't have a lot of games with Munch to really go off of.

[TheMunch]

I'm here now, and will be around most of the day, although that's night for most of you.

I see I get the lynch the lurker treatment yet again.  *sigh*

Sorry, I've just been mislynched a bunch lately.

This reads incredibly honest to me.  I retract all desire to vote ash, which was never very high.  I dont want to see frustrated Ashersky because if hes town, it can be very bad for town.  I would love to see Ash just be able to play calm and figure out if he is scum for good reasons, not just that he is a lurker.

[yuma]

I'm here now, and will be around most of the day, although that's night for most of you.

I see I get the lynch the lurker treatment yet again.  *sigh*

Sorry, I've just been mislynched a bunch lately.

This reads incredibly honest to me.  I retract all desire to vote ash, which was never very high.  I dont want to see frustrated Ashersky because if hes town, it can be very bad for town.  I would love to see Ash just be able to play calm and figure out if he is scum for good reasons, not just that he is a lurker.

for reals? *sigh* you are seriously joking right?

[yuma]

I'm here now, and will be around most of the day, although that's night for most of you.

I see I get the lynch the lurker treatment yet again.  *sigh*

Sorry, I've just been mislynched a bunch lately.

This reads incredibly honest to me.  I retract all desire to vote ash, which was never very high.  I dont want to see frustrated Ashersky because if hes town, it can be very bad for town.  I would love to see Ash just be able to play calm and figure out if he is scum for good reasons, not just that he is a lurker.

for reals? *sigh* you are seriously joking right?

he has completely dismissed that people have real cases on him and evidence and lumped all into "guess they are voting for me cause I lurk" sigh... that doesn't fly. Answer the accusations. address the issues.

[TheMunch]

I'm here now, and will be around most of the day, although that's night for most of you.

I see I get the lynch the lurker treatment yet again.  *sigh*

Sorry, I've just been mislynched a bunch lately.

This reads incredibly honest to me.  I retract all desire to vote ash, which was never very high.  I dont want to see frustrated Ashersky because if hes town, it can be very bad for town.  I would love to see Ash just be able to play calm and figure out if he is scum for good reasons, not just that he is a lurker.

for reals? *sigh* you are seriously joking right?

he has completely dismissed that people have real cases on him and evidence and lumped all into "guess they are voting for me cause I lurk" sigh... that doesn't fly. Answer the accusations. address the issues.
[/quote

I'm here now, and will be around most of the day, although that's night for most of you.

I see I get the lynch the lurker treatment yet again.  *sigh*

Sorry, I've just been mislynched a bunch lately.

This reads incredibly honest to me.  I retract all desire to vote ash, which was never very high.  I dont want to see frustrated Ashersky because if hes town, it can be very bad for town.  I would love to see Ash just be able to play calm and figure out if he is scum for good reasons, not just that he is a lurker.

[Voltgloss]

yuma, why do you have a townread on Axxle?

[TheMunch]

Can someone explain to me the case on Ashersky if it isn't for Lurking?  I "thirded" the post that Joth made where he said (paraphrasing) "I would be comfortable with a lurker lynch on Ash but I dont like that my 2 biggest scum reads are the ones pushing it."  I am behind lurker lynches; lurking is bad.  But the fact that Eevee and Yuma are the ones that were pushing it makes me very suspicious.  I could see scum very opportunistically taking advantage of a lurking town player.  I stand by my claim that I dont want to see frustrated ashersky because if he is town then it is TERRIBLE for town.  So initial question: What is the case on Ashersky if it isn't for lurking?

[yuma]

yuma, why do you have a townread on Axxle?

there have been a couple of things

- i think it was you that pointed out that mafia axxle would have been unlikely to lurk the way he did earlier. I agree with that

 - Part of it is certainly that he has a town read on me and didn't push my wagon off the cliff when he could have, although I do suspect others because of that.

 - And I think the way that he came up with a town read on me was very town, going back and analyzing whether or not my explanation for the hammer was credible or not. Everyone else just assumed I was lying or telling the truth, he researched it. Scum Axxle could have just said "I think yuma is scum" or "I think yuma is town" But axxle backed his up with work. That is more town to me.

[ashersky]

Can someone explain to me the case on Ashersky if it isn't for Lurking?  I "thirded" the post that Joth made where he said (paraphrasing) "I would be comfortable with a lurker lynch on Ash but I dont like that my 2 biggest scum reads are the ones pushing it."  I am behind lurker lynches; lurking is bad.  But the fact that Eevee and Yuma are the ones that were pushing it makes me very suspicious.  I could see scum very opportunistically taking advantage of a lurking town player.  I stand by my claim that I dont want to see frustrated ashersky because if he is town then it is TERRIBLE for town.  So initial question: What is the case on Ashersky if it isn't for lurking?

This.

Lurker ash and "man he feels scummy" are the top reasons for voting me.  I can't do much about the first and I don't have an answer to the second, as seen in all games I play.

I have given my own analysis and reasoning for votes, and who I would and wouldn't vote for.  I feel like that has to be helpful to the town.  What else can I provide?

PPE -- I forgot Axxle.  Null read there.

[yuma]

Can someone explain to me the case on Ashersky if it isn't for Lurking?  I "thirded" the post that Joth made where he said (paraphrasing) "I would be comfortable with a lurker lynch on Ash but I dont like that my 2 biggest scum reads are the ones pushing it."  I am behind lurker lynches; lurking is bad.  But the fact that Eevee and Yuma are the ones that were pushing it makes me very suspicious.  I could see scum very opportunistically taking advantage of a lurking town player.  I stand by my claim that I dont want to see frustrated ashersky because if he is town then it is TERRIBLE for town.  So initial question: What is the case on Ashersky if it isn't for lurking?

Well I was voting for him earlier because he created some bad cases yesterday and today that looked forced and appeared to be an attempt to get on a wagon early. He did something similar in MXIV--sorry another game reference for you.

Axxle voted for him because he put me at L-1 before Axxle and Volt were done with the discussion on me.

When he has posted he hasn't had much to say. I am against lurk all lynchers and have been since that meta existed. I am very in favor of lynching scummy lurkers if it is the most likely to hit scum, which I think is becoming a possibility with ash.

But, then again, right now I am voting for qvist.

[yuma]

Well, my lunch break is over and I need to get off F.DS so I can write this stupid story. (Last day before Thanksgiving break = complete lack of work ethic).

If a yuma hammer isn't dropped when I get back (and I highly doubt it will be, for whatever reason) then I'll change my vote next time I come online. Either to Eevee or ashersky.

I am kinda wondering if this might be some sort of signal to scum partners saying, "hammer yuma."

[Voltgloss]

yuma, why do you have a townread on Axxle?

there have been a couple of things

- i think it was you that pointed out that mafia axxle would have been unlikely to lurk the way he did earlier. I agree with that

 - Part of it is certainly that he has a town read on me and didn't push my wagon off the cliff when he could have, although I do suspect others because of that.

 - And I think the way that he came up with a town read on me was very town, going back and analyzing whether or not my explanation for the hammer was credible or not. Everyone else just assumed I was lying or telling the truth, he researched it. Scum Axxle could have just said "I think yuma is scum" or "I think yuma is town" But axxle backed his up with work. That is more town to me.

The ironic thing is that... while I don't find your reasons for seeing Axxle as town tremendously convincing...

This post reads genuine enough to make me a lot more convinced about you (yuma) being town.

Unvote.