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[Witherweaver]

Because I agree he's scummy.

[ashersky]

Because I agree he's scummy.

I could buy this.  But then, we always say he's scummy.

[ashersky]

For what it's worth, PPS does exactly this when he's town.

But it's also something easily replicated as scum.

Such is the thing with established metas.

[pingpongsam]

For what it's worth, PPS does exactly this when he's town.

But it's also something easily replicated as scum.

Such is the thing with established metas.

I would say that self voting has to be the riskiest and least rewarding scum play. Granted, if someone is going to do it it would be me so, touché. Personally, I don't see it as bad town play, I think it has a lot more merit than people want to give it. It is sort of one way, though. Do you think I can back out of it now and not lose all credibility?

[pingpongsam]

I can offer this, if I survive beyond D1 I promise not to self-vote for the remainder of the game. If that looks scummy to say, so be it. I think it should satisfy the policy voters though.

[ashersky]

For what it's worth, PPS does exactly this when he's town.

But it's also something easily replicated as scum.

Such is the thing with established metas.

I would say that self voting has to be the riskiest and least rewarding scum play. Granted, if someone is going to do it it would be me so, touché. Personally, I don't see it as bad town play, I think it has a lot more merit than people want to give it. It is sort of one way, though. Do you think I can back out of it now and not lose all credibility?

You are sort of preaching to the choir here -- I'm probably the most famous self-voter around.  For a long time, it was only as town, and then it worked once when I was scum, then it was all over.

But, more to your point, I think, is that I do think there are times when it is in the best interest of town to get yourself lynched.  That's a minority view, though.  If you go back to M20, I think (Monks and Masons), Eevee and I had this argument.

That said, it's been like three years of mafia since then, and I've come around a bit on the usefulness of it all.

Could you be town doing this?  Yes.  Are there other players where I would be more convinced they were town?  Yes.  Because you and I have been scum together, I've seen what you can and will do.  And this is in that pile.

[ashersky]

I can offer this, if I survive beyond D1 I promise not to self-vote for the remainder of the game. If that looks scummy to say, so be it. I think it should satisfy the policy voters though.

Dude, if you don't unvote, it's all moot.  I mean, if you are town and if you get hammered (you are still at L-1) and you are on the wagon, that sucks extra for us.  Wagon analysis is harmed by your vote being included (meaning one more person gets to be in the off-wagon bucket).  There are so many easy reasons to be on your lynch.  These are valid arguments against your self-vote based on a possible town flip.  It seems like you wanted some.

That said, if you are scum, and we let you get away with this, that's huge for you.  But, well, even scum ought to make us earn it.  Even freeing up space for a partner to bus you seems like better play.

[pingpongsam]

Vote: hydrad

[Hydrad]

oh boy this is getting interesting.

also slightly more scummy read on WW now since usually hes the one who I'd say can read me the best and I feel like has almost never got it wrong. But maybe I'm misremembering that. But its a bit weird to be that hes seeing me as scum here so confidently.

[Witherweaver]

oh boy this is getting interesting.

also slightly more scummy read on WW now since usually hes the one who I'd say can read me the best and I feel like has almost never got it wrong. But maybe I'm misremembering that. But its a bit weird to be that hes seeing me as scum here so confidently.

Buddying is scummy!

[Hydrad]

oh boy this is getting interesting.

also slightly more scummy read on WW now since usually hes the one who I'd say can read me the best and I feel like has almost never got it wrong. But maybe I'm misremembering that. But its a bit weird to be that hes seeing me as scum here so confidently.

Buddying is scummy!

isn't this the opposite of buddying?

[chairs]

vote: pps in case I'm not already

[Witherweaver]

oh boy this is getting interesting.

also slightly more scummy read on WW now since usually hes the one who I'd say can read me the best and I feel like has almost never got it wrong. But maybe I'm misremembering that. But its a bit weird to be that hes seeing me as scum here so confidently.

Buddying is scummy!

isn't this the opposite of buddying?

Well, not the "usually he's the one who I'd say can read me the best and I feel like has almost never got it wrong" part.

[ashersky]

vote: pps in case I'm not already

If you weren't already and he hadn't unvoted, that was the hammer...

[Hydrad]

also on the subject of PPS.

hmm hes still back and forth for me. There will be times I'm reading some of the points and stuff hes making and others a re making and going ok i'll vote for him. And then suddenly his posts make him seem towny to me and I don't want to vote him.

So for some reason even though hes had a bunch of posts I still find him nullish.

Mind you if we decide on him as a lynch I won't be to dissappointed as it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to read him anyways.

[Witherweaver]

also on the subject of PPS.

hmm hes still back and forth for me. There will be times I'm reading some of the points and stuff hes making and others a re making and going ok i'll vote for him. And then suddenly his posts make him seem towny to me and I don't want to vote him.

So for some reason even though hes had a bunch of posts I still find him nullish.

Mind you if we decide on him as a lynch I won't be to dissappointed as it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to read him anyways.

How do you feel about Yuma?

[Hydrad]

also on the subject of PPS.

hmm hes still back and forth for me. There will be times I'm reading some of the points and stuff hes making and others a re making and going ok i'll vote for him. And then suddenly his posts make him seem towny to me and I don't want to vote him.

So for some reason even though hes had a bunch of posts I still find him nullish.

Mind you if we decide on him as a lynch I won't be to dissappointed as it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to read him anyways.

How do you feel about Yuma?

I still find yuma one of the towniest people here currently.

[Twistedarcher]

Would really like to see PPS lynched today. Hydrad is null/slightly towny for me, I won't join that wagon unless I have to. Chairs seems townier.

[pingpongsam]

Chairs is definitely being chairs fwiw

[pingpongsam]

TA won't bus his partner unless he has to.

[gkrieg13]

TA won't bus his partner unless he has to.

Are you calling TA/Hydrad scum team?

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.4

ashersky (1): Hydrad
pingpongsam (5): Twistedarcher, yuma, faust, ashersky, chairs {L-2}
Hydrad (3): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, pingpongsam

Not Voting (3): Awaclus, UmbrageOfSnow, Jimmmmm

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends on September 21, 3 PM forum time.

[gkrieg13]

So based on the last few pages, I would be fine with lynching TA / pps / Hydrad today.  None of them came off any townier.

My other choice would be WW.  This is more of a gut read though.

I think I like a Hydrad vote the most at the moment

[yuma]

Would really like to see PPS lynched today. Hydrad is null/slightly towny for me, I won't join that wagon unless I have to.

I would as well. I see Hydrad as being scummier than TA here but honestly as long as PPS is an option at this point I won't be joining that wagon/

I think it needs to be PPS. I don't think we can just let PPS get away with scummy behavior because we as a town talked him out of it. Twice.

[pingpongsam]

Would really like to see PPS lynched today. Hydrad is null/slightly towny for me, I won't join that wagon unless I have to.

I would as well. I see Hydrad as being scummier than TA here but honestly as long as PPS is an option at this point I won't be joining that wagon/

I think it needs to be PPS. I don't think we can just let PPS get away with scummy behavior because we as a town talked him out of it. Twice.

So you don't actually think I am scum you just want to punish me. Get in line with the group think or don't play at all is the climate being created.