This, I believe is the sort of sentiment that Jimmm says that mcmcsalot’s current posts are lacking. I’ll keep an eye out as I reread to see how mcmcsalot’s reads develop. Jimmm could be completely right here, or possibly mcmcsalot is just doing a common newbie-mistake of getting too confident in reads.
Okay first off sorry for not being here. I was unaware that when the thread moved I needed to post in it to be updated when people posted. Secondly, its a lot harder to get reads on people when you don't already know there alignment. I read through everything and dunno, get a slight scum vibe from eevee and liopoil. To explain eevee reminds me of how he played in the last blits game, and liopoil, well i think I'm just suspicious of him because hes new and when I was new I was scum.
mcmcsalot gets ‘tricked’ by JimmmMcmcsalot agrees to Jimmm’s case quite readily it seems (I’m recalling that he very quickly agreed to my argument against Jimmm’s case later, and made it into a jimmm-tricked-us! thing)
Jimm, after scratching my head over the eevee thing your latest post has finally made me understand it quite well. Upon understanding eevee does seem scummy, still not voting for him however just can't get out of blitz mode and I'm not thaat confident in anyone's scumminess.
Jimm is now my top scum read, with the amount of analysis he has had I read him as a very smart player who know what hes doing.
Jimm taking this out of context is ridiculous, I guess its my mistake for not going over it enough myself, but really I had strong scum feeling toward someone because of an out of context exaggeration. This just seems like a very anti town play, there is no reason for town!jimm to start a scumhunt by tricking people.
Yeah, this reaction really seems bigger than necessary, but he does tone it down quickly after I said that Jimmm wasn’t trying to trick people. A bit suspicious the tone between these two posts, which are less than an hour apart.
Let me be clear I'm also not ready to vote for him yet, I'm not ready to vote for anyone yet.
Later on he talks about his reaction being a bit extreme and explains why.
To answer theorel, I said before that this reaction from me was in fact over the top. It was due to the fact that I had put too much faith in someone else's argument early on in the game and realized I cannot do that as I cannot trust anyone.
I do however have a strong scum read on Jim now because of the way he has acted under pressure and because of the case he has made against me. I believe his case against me is poor and flawed, I would like him to answer my previous question or at least explain what he meant. I will quote it in the next post for reference.
mcmcsalot gives readsHe posts a case on ashersky in #309, and this case is a bit hard to follow. I think it has point where it looks to mcmcsalot like Jimmm was coaching ashersky, along with ashersky being scummy for his interactions with raerae. Oh, also ashersky giving reads without evidence.
I didn’t find ashersky/raerae very scummy for either side, also I’m not a big fan of cases about reads without evidence, but I don’t recall the way that ashersky was giving reads. In general I’m confused by the one-big-paragraph format of this case, which makes it harder to agree with.
In #319 he gives a read on Robz, and I
think it’s a townread, but I don’t see mcmcsalot reach any real conclusion here, he just says some thoughts.
Yuma, this one is less indepth as coming from phone. You have some solid analysis coming out early game. Many of your posts were about the raerae, ashersky debacle so no reads of of that. The only thing that gives me a read on you is that you felt I was scummy, said I made the scummiest post in the game and then as the arguing started you seem to have forgot your post about me. As did whomever you asked to comment who was scummier, me or eevee. That gives me a bit of a scum read as you tried to push a case on me and when noone picked it up you dropped it.
Here’s a case on Yuma, he finds Yuma a bit scummy for pushing a case on mcmcsalot and then dropping it. I don’t find this too scummy myself, but can see how a newbie might interpret cases on them as being pushed by scum. That feels sorta towny from a newer player standpoint in my eyes. It takes a bit of experience to realize that often incorrect cases can be pushed with good intentions by a fellow town player. Especially because mcmcsalot’s first game was as scum, where he saw firsthand his team push bad/middling cases on town players.
Eevee: Wow, through all the town/station case in the end you came out with a pretty null read from me. Your post about Jimm being not a good lynch for today but possible in the future was a pretty solid thought, and I believe you about not caring about the flavor. It is a very complicated universe making it hard for outsiders to understand. Upon reading your opinions on a group of people, I get a scummy vibe from you. Of the 8 people you analysed, which has no order to them, curious how you came up with this group, you found one scum read, galz which you gave no explanation for. You've often said these long post of analysis on people are towny and helpful I do not find yours to be.
So in the end I still have a scum read on you mainly stemming from your analysis post.
Here’s another post where I think the new-player, unsure factor that Jimmm was looking for shows up. In this post he reaches the conclusion that eevee is scummy, but I disagree with this conclusion. He has a nullread on Eevee from the Dsell interaction (I would expect a scum player with solid, manufactured reads to push them at every instance, the classic scummy tunnelling). It seems that mcmcsalot’s main scumread on Eevee comes from picking a group of 8 people to analyze in no particular order, and not giving full explanations. Mcmcsalot himself is doing the first thing, so I don’t see why he finds that scummy.
Still he qualifies this later saying that the only person he’s comfortable voting for (I read this as his only strong scumread) is ashersky. So I see his scum reads on Eevee/Yuma to really just be more “oh, I’m leaning scum on them” but using much more confident language than he means (hey, I do that sometimes!).
new player is confused in sea of players/readsWent to bed at 11, woke up at 9 to 4 pages!
unvote this is because of two reason, the second being knowingly terrible, 1) ash's recent posts have read towny to me and 2) my scum read on him is from posts pages and pages ago, they have been lost in so many other things I couldn't make a case on him if I was asked to.
This really is the post that I think Jimm was talking about. His previous scumread is now looking towny, and he’s overwhelmed by the pages and pages of info.
Ok, I have to go to dinner, so I didn’t look at his most recent 6 posts, but I’ll just cut it short to eat.
overall interpretationI am uncertain about mcmcsalot. I find a lot of his opinions a bit confusing, his read on Yuma I disagree with, and I think his scumread on Eevee really has very very little backing it up. I find that Eevee-read a bit suspicious. But his other provided reads/reasons make me see him in a towny light. I have a mild town-read on him from his posts. But, on the other hand, I see a bit of a connection between him and Cuzz, and I find Cuzz very very highly scummy. If Cuzz flips scum as I expect he will, my suspicion of mcmcsalot will naturally be higher, but it will be probably a weak/medium scumsuspicion. Too much of mcmcsalot’s D1 play looks towny for me to make him the go-to lynch tomorrow if Cuzz flips scum.
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