Anyways, shraeye responded to my accusation, my initial reaction was: "that's why I said it wasn't a case. It's not a case, it's 1 point (the 180 on Eevee)." But reading it more carefully I see that the case is really seeing a series of interactions with Eevee that feel manufactured. Okay, it still feels like an inflated case to me. I see no good reason he's not voting for Cuzz at this juncture.
(Inflating the case) He cites Robz' reasons for suspicion. Robz' reasons were (in total) "His total 180 on Eevee makes no sense to me." Citing them as "Robz' reasons" strikes me as an attempt to inflate the case. Then later he restates "all of Robz' reasons" as his own, since nothing makes a case stronger than using the same reason twice.
This post:
Okay well to be clear, I won't be supporting a Galz lynch today (unless something drastically changes), but he'll be fair game tomorrow.
This post is the tipping point for me between the Cuzz/Jimmmm vote. This looks a lot like the springboard to a day2 lynch, already in place. When I get a townread on somebody and don't want to lynch them (Eevee, Robz, raerae, liopoil, Dsell thus far--and not in that order, I haven't thought about order yet), I would NEVER say "but they're fair game tomorrow". Why are you afraid to let your current townreads bleed over? A logical reason (and the one I reach in my head) is that you don't want to box yourself in as scum and get to a situation where you're left either lynching a townread, or doing another 180 flip on somebody.
This is the tipping point? This post taken ENTIRELY OUT OF CONTEXT is the tipping point for his vote? But Jimmmmm refuted it. I was going to refute it, but I just noted that Jimmmmm already had in my "case on shraeye" post. (
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=6314.msg171797#msg171797)
(This was another point that shraeye never acknowledged that contributed to the feeling more secure in my vote here post.)
Basically it feels like shraeye's trying to build a case on Cuzz (brings him up every chance he has), while voting Jimmmmm to make sure we don't forget that Jimmmmm's suspicious too.
Re: Glooble. There's certainly worse lynches we could go with. I'm personally not in a hurry. We've had 2 soft deadlines suggested (one for next Wednesday one for tomorrow). I'm inclined to still lean towards next Wednesday, I think longer day1's have a better chance to catch scum...but I know that I reach a point where I feel like we've milked all we can out of the day (I felt this heavily towards the end of day1 in MIV) and others may reach that point before me.
Here's an unofficial votecount:
Eevee (1): Cuzz
Cuzz (3): Galzria, TheMunch, Robz888
mcmcsalot (1): Jimmmmm
ashersky (1): Glooble
Jimmmmm (3): Shraeye, raerae, yuma
shraeye (1): theorel
Glooble (2): Eevee, ashersky
Not Voting (2): Dsell, mcmcsalot
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch
Oh, one last thing. (it ended up kind of long) The situation with Eevee remembering his character name. I think Robz and those defending Eevee are talking past each other. Whether it's reasonable to not remember your character name is irrelevant. Well, it's not completely irrelevant to what Robz is saying, but I think he's coming at it from the opposite side regardless.
The point is that it wasn't a contributing factor to you stating "I'm town". You cited it as a tangential reason to say "look how I didn't really read my role PM that carefully". But memory of your flavor name doesn't matter for how carefully you read the PM. Memory of "station" doesn't really either. If you are town you probably read DSell's post and said "oh yeah, we're not called town in this game, I'll have to check my role PM to see what we're called". For example, if you had said the following I would have bought it at once:
" Me claiming town was obviously just the running joke from blitz, also I didn't (don't) really pay attention to the flavor, just the relevant points."
But that's not what you said, you said (paraphrased) "I didn't remember the exact wording. I didn't read it that carefully. In fact I don't even remember my flavor name"
The way it's stated, it's like you're trying to lend credibility by stating additional reasons that didn't really exist at the time. Your failure to remember your flavor name doesn't in any way effect your claim of town. Your inability to instantly call to mind the exact wording of your role PM doesn't effect your claim of town. Reading uncarefully could have played a role in it (in particular you might have claimed station if you knew it, as it fits the joke well enough).
Now Robz pushed the point farther than I did, saying he found the reasons made-up. I don't think they were made-up, I think they were unrelated. It's a defense added after the fact to try to make it feel like you had better reasons than you actually did. Now the question to me is: did you do this because the real reason is that you didn't even know town was called station so you were throwing out any defense you could think of, or did you do this because you were in justification-mode, and when justifying actions we (people) tend to offer tangential reasoning. It's not an open-and-shut case, it's not a super-compelling reason to vote you (that's why I didn't at that time), BUT it's not nothing, and it really doesn't have to do with if you could remember your flavor name. It has to do with whether your ability to remember your flavor name was even relevant to your claiming "I'm town".
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