There is green, purple and unplayed white.One way you could make it more heirloomy is by forcing it to set aside, but that would suck if it turned a 2/5 into 2/4. Not sure a way around that.Wouldn't you just play it last, with no cards in hand to set aside?
I agree and like to point out that Woodcutter is basically a card category or a benchmark and thus still exists as a "shadow".
So you have 12 Kingdom cards instead of 10, but only 2 of those are available for purchase or gaining when Foreign Merchants is in play. This shifting of 2 piles from Supply and out of it allows for some interesting combos, but there is likely a problem with a card or five that I'm missing.
This is strictly better than a Woodcutter and thus has to cost at least. Based on my instincts, I would price it at
About Ironmonger, it is superstrong because you are virtually always (pay $4 for a Mining Village) willing to pay $4 for all 3 options ... and then get a cherry on top via the cycling.It is not easy to control which option is chosen. This fact weaken the card. Ironmonger is a Spy with additional effect of Village (3+Spy) / Peddler (4.5+Spy) / Laboratory (5+Spy), but it is $4 because we basically cannot choose which is chosen.I could make the Menagerie option more like a weaker Festival (add +$1) or make it +2 Actions. The Village default is probably fine unless it would be more interesting to use a gainer option, gaining an Action costing up to the number of differently named cards in hand.I think that this is too good now. Festival is a $5, Fugitive is a $4.5. Perhaps stick with discarding before drawing?
Edit: made the Menagerie option Festival. Left the Village option intact rather than make it a Smithy + Action, but I did move the discard to after the draw. Dropped the price to $4.
I'd go further and claim that this is broken at any price.
So different approach than the one I submitted. After making changes based on what majiponi said, it was basically a Band of Minions. Assembly by Gazbag was my favorite card, so I liked the idea of a Throne Room element.
Play up to two different Action cards from the Supply that have Student tokens on them, leaving them there.
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When you gain this, put a Student token on a non-Command Action Supply pile costing up to $4.
So it does not permit a throne room double play, as you need to play two different cards or just play one. The token mechanism slows the card down, which I'm hoping justifies the cards's cost being at $4 instead of $5. Still very Band of Minions-ish, but the double play makes it more effective once you have two tokens out.
I would price this atat the very least. It only takes two Scholasticus gains to make it WAY better than BoM. Which means that just two or more people have to open with it and it suddenly becomes a broken card. I would probably price it at
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I could make the Menagerie option more like a weaker Festival (add +$1) or make it +2 Actions. The Village default is probably fine unless it would be more interesting to use a gainer option, gaining an Action costing up to the number of differently named cards in hand.I think that this is too good now. Festival is a $5, Fugitive is a $4.5. Perhaps stick with discarding before drawing?
Edit: made the Menagerie option Festival. Left the Village option intact rather than make it a Smithy + Action, but I did move the discard to after the draw. Dropped the price to $4.
The non-terminality is simply far more important than Province-Province or drawing into the gained card during the same turn. The reason for the latter is again the limitedness of terminal space: you are rarely able to use a Remodel variant (not even Replace) mid-turn and then still have the Actions left to draw into the gained card (respectively you first gotta spend your draw power to draw into something you want to Remodel).Tinker can't do my favorite feature of Remodel, which is run down the Province pile (remodel province into province), and while it is non-terminal, it also doesn't have the support cards from things like Imp, Conclave, Throne Room, Scepter, etc, which make it not-a-stop card; You have to hang onto it and the target card until you're night phase. Those two play differences - both drawbacks, imo - make it different enough from Remodel to keep at the same price point.
You're right though, it does need the "from the Supply" specification.
1. Considering that Remodel only costs
2. The second drawback you mention only comes into play in the late game, but Remodel and Tinker are both priced such that you can open with them. Needing to hang onto the target card until your Night phase doesn't make any difference unless you'd draw into the card you gain/receive since you wouldn't be playing the target card either way.
Two minor drawbacks do not override two major pluses.
I'm just not seeing it as a $5 card, that's my real issue here. You need the target card in-hand, which absent a draw engine, leaves you 3 other cards to buy or play; if you try to capitalize on the non-terminality, you've got one other card to buy or play. Even in a draw engine, these eat at what you've got available for the rest of your turn, which you've gotta play beforehand.
In a vacuum, Blacksmith is weaker than Catacombs.
Not sure about Blacksmith's strength, also forgot to include the heirloom on the card.
I don't want to disagree with your assessment, this is a weak $5. But you cannot ignore the Heirloom, i.e. Cellar-Fugitive is stronger due to Father's Sword than it would be without it.
Menagerie variant that can assist the heirloom in producing a greater $.
First Born is either a worse Fugitive (discard first is worse than discarding after) or a Villa without the +or the on-gain effect. I think First Born is too weak to cost
I am not claiming that it is much better than Miser, which is fairly weak / situational. But the flexibility is strong (and without the turning of the Coppers the card would be an ultimate emulator, a mono-engine card) and makes it a tad better than Miser (around which you often have to build an engine with extra Buys and draw power to make it worthwhile).I think you seriously underestimate the flexibility of this. Play it as village, play the second copy as Smithy and so on.Quote from: naitchmanSetting aside 5 Coppers with Miser makes it terminal Platinum. Nice. Setting aside with YoP makes it Council Room when you first play YoP. ...I prefer just buying Council Rooms or something.
Also, we usually prefer to use our terminal space for draw and not for terminal Coin generation.
You'd need at least 5 Coppers on your mat to pull off that combo, though, since one of the Coppers is turned over for the turn each time YoP is played.
I think you seriously underestimate the flexibility of this. Play it as village, play the second copy as Smithy and so on.Quote from: naitchmanSetting aside 5 Coppers with Miser makes it terminal Platinum. Nice. Setting aside with YoP makes it Council Room when you first play YoP. ...I prefer just buying Council Rooms or something.
Edit idea: From hand, not Duration.This lacks context.
Cost 4
Trashed card must be cost 5 or higher.
Decompose/Compost (hhelibebcnofnena)I don't wanna diss the design, it is simple and neat. But it is also often forced (T1 to trash before the shuffle unless you open CCCCC) and thus unlikely to be balanced:
Event, $2 +1 Buy, take Compost.
Artifact, at the end of your turn (after drawing) trash a card from your hand.
One use of Cathedral may not quite be worth $2, considering the one turn hold scenario, but you're also buying it off someone else so there's competitive value. If someone's left with the Compost, they probably have to have good things in hand to trash to it later, so there's always that risk for them to consider.
Overall: simple and effective, consistent yet balanced and interesting competitiveness in almost every game. It's a contender.
Hovel is the only one that changed. Originally it was an action you could trash by discarding your hand. It turned out that trashing it turn 1-2 usually seemed like the correct play, even if you drew it with four Coppers.http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=4318.0
PS: Anyone know if there was a particular reason why there were no Night cards that gave boons in Nocturne?Just go over them: Earth, Field, Forest, Wind and to some degree Sky suck (i.e. do nothing) at Night.
segura:I think it is still too strong. Just look at the net effects of the vanilla stuff: TR on Pearl Diver is a village, Great Hall 1.0. on Pearl Diver was a Lost City, Great Hall 2.0 on Pearl Diver is a Laboratory.QuoteThis is nearly identical to a Throne Room with +1 Card and totally crazy at $3.
So being able to play a cantrip/village a second time is still too powerful? For example, if playing strictly base, this card could only play Cellar, Harbinger, Merchant, Village, Poacher, Throne Room, Festival, Laboratory, Market and Sentry when not played as the first Action (and when played first, it can't play anything). Good cards, but that's only 11 of 26 Kingdom Piles it can play. It's situationally weaker than Throne Room. I can see raising it to $4 but I thought the deficit could allow for a $3 price. Might be worth killing the +1 Action.
Edit: Thinking on it, the top decking ability is too much. Took it out. I also clarified the language from "play another Action already in play" to "(other than this)" to make the anti-infinite loop more clear. Also raised it to $4 as it is a more useful Estate.
Two of the cards I hate are Wild Hunt and Farmer's Market. mandioca15 recently posted a card that I think works well as a replacement for Farmer's Market, so I thought I'd come up with a replacement for Wild Hunt. I kind of turned it into a crossover Empires/Nocturne card...I like the original Wild Hunt better. This comes with a fixed supply of VPs and behaves a bit like a Landmark on a card. You can play with it fairly solitaire-ish. Sure, keep the decks of the other folks in mind and think about how often they want to topdeck for VPs to judge how quickly the VPs will empty but that's it.Quote(modded) Wild Hunt
If it's your action phase: +3 Cards.
If it's your night phase: Receive the next boon.
Either way, you may put a card from your hand onto your deck to take a token from here.
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Setup: This pile starts with 6per player.
PS: Anyone know if there was a particular reason why there were no Night cards that gave boons in Nocturne?
OK, so I haven't had an entry in a several weeks, but I came up with what I hope is an interesting idea for an artifact yesterday, so let's try it out:I like this a lot. Situations in which you want more than 1 Potion are rare and I actually think that this a key reason for why Alchemy is held in low esteem (although nobody ever explicitly says this). Gee, if there is a new resource, we want to see more than just 1 copy per player and game!
Official entry version: (after updates)
Original version - kept here for posterity:
Cauldron - Artifact
During your turns, Potions are "Choose one: +1 Potion or +$3."
Infusion - Event - $P
+1 Buy. Trash a card from play. If it costs $4 or more, take the Cauldron. Play any number of treasures.
Great HallThis is nearly identical to a Throne Room with +1 Card and totally crazy at $3.
It's worse than Throne Room. It can only replay an Action already in play, so this card's special ability is useless if it is the first Action played. In fact, thinking on it, the cantrip should be in there so the card is not a dud without a cantrip/village/lab around. So here is the new wording: "+1 Card, +1 Action. You may play another Action card currently in play a second time, or place it on top of your deck. 1%"
At least it favors engines over BM.Not necessarily. When you engine already works and draws nearly the entire deck, Unleash is like a Villa, you buy it for the Action and not the cards.
