Topic: Resistance III: Revenge of the Isotropic Users (Read 32410 times)

Galzria · « **Reply #275 on:** October 03, 2012, 04:24:10 pm »

Quote from: ftl on October 03, 2012, 04:17:57 pm

oh. Sorry, O. I'm pretty sure I wasn't the one holding it up I've been careful since I messed up that time in the previous resistance... I think...
I'm up next, right?

# I propose Galzria, Robz, ftl.Same thing Galz proposed before Insom and Qvist took their turns. I'll vote yes on it. Like right now, I'm sending in my PM as soon as I post this.

See? If you were a Spy instead of Insomniac, you would just propose your whole Spy team here, knowing that it outs you all, but so what? When we failed it, Qvist would NC Robz's proposal and you would win anyway. So unless this is complete trolling (protip: trolling is not nice), we have 3 Resistance, and the 4th is between Volt/Glooble - almost certainly Glooble.

Insomniac · « **Reply #276 on:** October 03, 2012, 04:26:18 pm »

Disagree I would have done the same thing in ftl's shoes every step of the way as a spy, but I do have to hand it to him, he's played a good game. And Im sorry I couldn't convince you guys of the truth as it is literally costing us the game.

Galzria · « **Reply #277 on:** October 03, 2012, 04:28:30 pm »

Quote from: Insomniac on October 03, 2012, 04:26:18 pm

Disagree I would have done the same thing in ftl's shoes every step of the way as a spy, but I do have to hand it to him, he's played a good game. And Im sorry I couldn't convince you guys of the truth as it is literally costing us the game.

How can you disagree? He could've proposed his whole Spy team here and we could do nothing to stop him. He didn't, so unless he's trolling (which makes no sense as there's no point) then he's Resistance.

Insomniac · « **Reply #278 on:** October 03, 2012, 04:29:25 pm »

I can disagree because I would have whole heartedly proposed the same mission because I wouldn't have thought about the 5 failed missions

Glooble · « **Reply #279 on:** October 03, 2012, 04:29:51 pm »

I'm pretty sure I know these three are resistance.

Insomniac · « **Reply #280 on:** October 03, 2012, 04:30:26 pm »

Also if you go look at RMM1 when I was lynched my entire twilight I trolled the town, so I don't even see ftl as coming out and admitting it yet.

ftl · « **Reply #281 on:** October 03, 2012, 04:36:28 pm »

Well, you'll see that I'm resistance after this mission. (Either because we all pass it, or because Galz is a really really really sneaky spy and fails the mission and then game over and we find out who the three spies were.)

If we pass then we'll get plot cards and hopefully use them to clear or investigate either gloob or volt, and have a reasonable shot at taking this game.

Galzria · « **Reply #282 on:** October 03, 2012, 04:42:15 pm »

Quote from: ftl on October 03, 2012, 04:36:28 pm

Well, you'll see that I'm resistance after this mission. (Either because we all pass it, or because Galz is a really really really sneaky spy and fails the mission and then game over and we find out who the three spies were.)

If we pass then we'll get plot cards and hopefully use them to clear or investigate either gloob or volt, and have a reasonable shot at taking this game.

I'm not an internet troll.

If I were a sneaky spy, I would say "Whoo! Well played everybody, and very well played spy buddies!" At this point because we couldn't lose now.

But I'm not. So if you are a spy, congratulations. I think Volt really sealed it for you guys by distributing both cards to Insomniac (man, and if this is true he will have won two games today with MVP status. He'll be on a roll!).

Galzria · « **Reply #283 on:** October 03, 2012, 04:45:10 pm »

Quote from: Galzria on October 03, 2012, 04:42:15 pm

Quote from: ftl on October 03, 2012, 04:36:28 pm
Well, you'll see that I'm resistance after this mission. (Either because we all pass it, or because Galz is a really really really sneaky spy and fails the mission and then game over and we find out who the three spies were.)

If we pass then we'll get plot cards and hopefully use them to clear or investigate either gloob or volt, and have a reasonable shot at taking this game.

I'm not an internet troll. If I were a sneaky spy, I would say "Whoo! Well played everybody, and very well played spy buddies!" At this point because we couldn't lose now.

But I'm not. So if you are a spy, congratulations. I think Volt really sealed it for you guys by distributing both cards to Insomniac (man, and if this is true he will have won two games today with MVP status. He'll be on a roll!).

If you're NOT a spy (which if what we've placed this game on being true), then we've still got a little ways to go, but we're on the right track to turning things around.

The next mission must be Glooble/Galz/Robz/ftl, and we should try our best to game the cards for our advantage in the final mission.

Voltgloss · « **Reply #284 on:** October 03, 2012, 05:03:52 pm »

I know that if Qvist is Resistance, then Glooble, Galz, and Insom must be the Spies. But that means Insom played No Confidence on a passed proposal that included a spy (Galz). So that can't be the setup. Ergo, Qvist must be a Spy.

I also know that at least one of Glooble and Galz are Spies. I had concluded that it must be Galz, because I couldn't reconcile Spy-Glooble proposing a first-round Mission containing two Spies.

But now I have to pray that's exactly what happened. Because otherwise the game is over - either we pass this mission and Spy!Galz fails it, or we reject this mission and Spy!Qvist NC's the last one.

So I'm voting yes, and hoping I've been wrong.

ftl · « **Reply #285 on:** October 05, 2012, 08:06:53 pm »

everyone plz vote yes if we don't pass this mission we lose because Qvist can no-confidence the next one, and not sending in a vote is a 'no'

vote deadline is, like, soon or now or passed

Galzria · « **Reply #286 on:** October 05, 2012, 08:10:32 pm »

Quote from: ftl on October 05, 2012, 08:06:53 pm

everyone plz vote yes if we don't pass this mission we lose because Qvist can no-confidence the next one, and not sending in a vote is a 'no'

vote deadline is, like, soon or now or passed

I'm really curious as to where the backup is at. I've cast already.

O · « **Reply #287 on:** October 05, 2012, 08:36:46 pm »

NO: Qvist, Insomniac
YES: Everyone else

send your COs in for the event in which the team does not get No Confidenced.

ftl · « **Reply #288 on:** October 05, 2012, 09:19:01 pm »

Insom and Qvist obvspies

O · « **Reply #289 on:** October 07, 2012, 02:10:25 pm »

The mission passes

Robz draws Strong Leader x2

Galzria · « **Reply #290 on:** October 07, 2012, 02:14:25 pm »

Well done gentlemen.

Team is now Robz/Galz/ftl/X - this mission takes 2 to fall, so we can guarantee it passes. What's more, both Strong Leaders should go to ftl so we can make sure Robz gets the next round of cards as well (ie. He Strong Leaders this mission, and even if Qvist NC's it, he can Strong Leader again - this putting the cards next round in Robz' hands again).

Insomniac · « **Reply #291 on:** October 07, 2012, 09:16:28 pm »

Well I gotta say I'm super confused. Obviously I was wrong about ftl. I have no idea who the spies are now. I guess that makes it qvist Voltgloss and glooble

Galzria · « **Reply #292 on:** October 07, 2012, 11:58:08 pm »

Alright, time to quantify what we know, through a lens of what's happened:

Resistance:

Galzria, ftl, Robz

Spy:

Qvist

Unknown:

Insomniac, Glooble, Voltgloss

Mission Proposals, and votes:

Insomniac, ftl

Yes: Insomniac, Glooble, ftl
No: Robz, Galzria, Voltgloss, Qvist

ftl, Qvist

Yes: ftl
No: Robz, Galzria, Voltgloss, Insomniac, Glooble, Qvist

Robz, Glooble

Yes: Robz, Glooble
No: Galzria, ftl, Insomniac, Voltgloss, Qvist

Glooble, Qvist

Yes: Robz, ftl, Galzria, Insomniac, Voltgloss, Glooble, Qvist
No: Nobody

Spys: 1 Resistance: 0

Qvist confirmed Spy by Galzria

Qvist confirmed Spy by Insomniac

Mission 2, Proposal 1: Proposed by Voltgloss:

Galzria, Voltgloss, Glooble

Results:

Yes: Galzria, ftl, Voltgloss Glooble, Insomniac, Qvist
No: Robz

---Mission Fails---

Spys: 2 Resistance 0

Robz confirmed Resistance by ftl

Mission 3, Proposal 1: Proposed by Galzria:

Galzria, ftl, Robz

Results:

Yes: Galzria, ftl, Robz, Glooble, Qvist
No: Voltgloss, Insomniac

Insomniac plays No Confidence

Mission 3, Proposal 2: Proposed by Qvist:

Galzria, Robz, Glooble

Results:

Yes: Insomniac, Qvist
No: Galzria, Robz, ftl, Insomniac, Glooble

Mission 3, Proposal 3: Proposed by Insomniac:

Galzria, Robz, Insomniac

Results:

Yes: Insomniac
No: Galzria, ftl, Robz, Glooble, Voltgloss, Qvist

Mission 4, Proposal 4: Proposed by ftl:

ftl, Galzria, Robz

Results:

Yes: ftl, Galzria, Robz, Glooble, Voltgloss
No: Insomniac, Qvist

---Mission Passes---

Spys 2 Resistance 1

Card Distributions:

ftl gives No Confidence to Qvist - ftl gives KACEOY to Galzria
Voltgloss gives No Confidence to Insomniac - Voltgloss gives Overheard Conversation to Insomniac

********************

I'll break it all down a little further later - although feel free to do so yourselves. Like the fact that at least 1 of {Voltgloss, Glooble} must be a Spy, and 1 of {Insomniac, Glooble} must be a Spy.
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Galzria · « **Reply #293 on:** October 08, 2012, 12:41:44 am »

Scratch that last sentence, it was rather redundant. Here are the lists of possible spy teams:

1. {Qvist, Glooble, Insomniac}

2. {Qvist, Glooble, Voltgloss}

3. {Qvist, Insomniac, Voltgloss}

For Spy team #2 to be true, Glooble would've had to propose himself and Spybuddy Qvist in Mission 1 - AND - Voltgloss would've had to propose himself and Spybuddy Glooble in Mission 2.

That seems highly, highly unlikely to me. So for my money, I think ruling it out is safe for now.

--This means Insomniac IS a Spy--

That narrows down our choices to Spy Team #1, and Spy Team #3. Looking at each:

Spy Team #1: Here, we have to accept two things - First: That Spy Glooble proposed a Mission that contained his Spybuddy. Second: That Resistance Voltgloss gave both cards to Spy Insomniac.

Not outside the realm of reason. But look at Mission 3, Proposal 2. Qvist knows he's caught. And by that point so does Insomniac. That's why, I think, they both vote Yes for that Mission. I think they're both TRYING to be obvious there to convince us that Glooble is Obvspy buddy #3. While Spy Team #1 is plausible, it DOES have irregularities. Let's examine Spy Team #3 however:

Spy Team #3: Here, Glooble just gets unlucky and pairs us with a Spy. There's only 1 Spy on the mission however, so no WIFOM to fail it. Now Voltgloss gives both cards to his Spybuddy Insomniac. This is quite logical, since now the Spies own TWO No Confidence Cards, and Resistance is pinned badly. He then proposes a Mission that once more only contains one Spy - so again, no WIFOM in deciding to fail it.

Quite simply, the most logical breakdown of Spy moves comes from Spy Team #3. It doesn't have the irregularities of Spy Team #1, and it explains the actions of the confirmed Spies (See Above, Mission 4, Proposal 2).

Hopefully we can grab one more identifying card before the final Mission, but if not, I'm absolutely sold on only voting teams that contain {Galzria, ftl, Robz, Glooble}.

Any thoughts from my two confirmed Resistance Buddies? (I'm ignoring anything said by anybody else at this point)

Galzria · « **Reply #294 on:** October 08, 2012, 12:43:38 am »

(See Above, Mission 3*, Proposal 2)

Galzria · « **Reply #295 on:** October 08, 2012, 12:59:01 am »

And as noted before Robz, you should give both Strong Leader Cards to ftl so that we control the rest of the game.

ftl Strong Leaders from you now. If Qvist NC's his proposal, ftl Strong Leaders again, proposing the same team. This gives ftl control of today's choice, and gives you the Cards tomorrow, along with the choice in final team.

The Spies need never take control again.

Robz888 · « **Reply #296 on:** October 08, 2012, 12:29:20 pm »

Quote from: Galzria on October 08, 2012, 12:59:01 am

And as noted before Robz, you should give both Strong Leader Cards to ftl so that we control the rest of the game.

ftl Strong Leaders from you now. If Qvist NC's his proposal, ftl Strong Leaders again, proposing the same team. This gives ftl control of today's choice, and gives you the Cards tomorrow, along with the choice in final team.

The Spies need never take control again.

Great work. I will say that your mostly likely team certainly fits the "reads" I have ha this game, namely that Voltgloss is spy and Glooble is resistance, following a conflict between them earlier in the game.

I propse Robz888, Ftl, Galzria, Glooble
I give both my cards to Ftl.

Robz888 · « **Reply #297 on:** October 08, 2012, 12:30:24 pm »

This sure seems like a hard game for spies to win, btw.

Robz888 · « **Reply #298 on:** October 08, 2012, 12:31:00 pm »

The game in general I meant, not this game specifically.

ftl · « **Reply #299 on:** October 08, 2012, 03:22:10 pm »

They totally could have had this one. If Insom didn't no-confidence Galz's proposal, he would have had two strong leaders to distribute, and with spies holding two no confidences, and with him and qvist being the next two proposals, they could have guaranteed five straight double-spy mission proposals.

But yeah, it seems really hard. Had to play it perfectly.

We're not entirely out of the woods yet, though. This set of four is guaranteed to succeed mission 4 since we'd need 2 fails to fail it. But we still need to figure out the last spy. It's probably volt but who knows for sure.

Galz's idea to have me strong-leader it and re-propose the same mission so that you get the next set of plot cards too, instead of glooble, seems valid but a little unnecessary. If glooble gives out the plot cards in an anti-resistance way, then we know he's the spy. The possible plot cards are:

No Confidence x3 - doesn't matter who gets to give this out, gloob or robz, with strong leaders around we can make sure that resistance get enough missions proposed by me and robz.
Keeping a Close Eye on You x2 - useless
Opinion Maker x2 - basically irrelevant
Overheard conversation x2 - towngloob would want to give this to someone who can clear him (so, robz) or accuse volt (so, galz). If he gives OC to either robz or galz, it doesn't matter whether he's a spy or not. If he gives it to somebody else, then he's obvspy. Oh wait, haven't both OCs been given out already? So he couldn't get this anyway?
Strong Leader x2 - both given out already
Establish Confidence - we want gloob to get this one and not robz
In the Spotlight - useless
Open Up - towngloob would obviously give this to volt, and townvolt would obviously show his card to one of the three confirmed resistance, thus confirming him as either spy or resistance. Any deviation from this will reveal our spy.
Take Responsibility - meh, if gloob gets this and he's a spy, he'll steal one of my strong leaders. No big deal and wouldn't be much different. Or he could steal my KaCEoY for no effect.

So I'm okay with gloob getting plot cards and not robz, on the off-chance that he gets Establish Confidence its' better for gloob to get it, on the off-chance he gets take responsibility it's slightly better for robz to get it but probably doesn't matter, in all other cases it seems like it doesn't matter.

...so I'd rather not tarry with extra votes and I'll just vote yes on this. I can't use it right now anyway, I'd have to use it before robz proposes a team, technically. Anyway, if you really feel like me proposing the same mission and robz getting plot cards is much better then you can vote it down, I'll CO a strong leader in case it fails.

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