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RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over, Mafia Wins!)
« on: January 30, 2016, 06:26:14 pm »

Welcome to RMM31: Untitled Mafia!

See the second post for Setup and Flavor Information.

Player List:
  • Awaclus (Friendly Neighbor) (Died Night 3)
  • gkrieg13 (Mafia Aligned) (Survived) - Wins!
  • Hydrad (Tracker) (Died Night 5)
  • Roadrunner7671 (Cop) (Died Day 1)
  • pingpongsam (Modified Jack of all Trades) (Died Day 3)
  • 2.71828..... (Cop) (Died Day 6)
  • Witherweaver (Neighborizer) (Endgamed)
  • Ichimaru Gin (Mafia-Aligned) (Died Day 5) - Wins!
  • chairs (Doctor) (Died Night 4)
  • Haddock (Cop) (Died Night 2)
  • Limetime (Mafia-Aligned) (Died Day 2) - Wins!
  • Axxle (Lover, Gambler) (Died Day 1)
Tagged: ashersky, faust, scott_pilgrim

Navigation:
Day 1 start
Day 2 start
Day 3 start
Day 4 start
Day 5 start
Day 6 start
Game Over


The Rules of Mafia apply for this game. Additionally, there are some new rules for QTs:

- All players will receive a personal QT.
- Communication via QTs is preferred to PMs for all purposes.
- Personal QTs will not be shared by the mod at the end of the game, but players may share theirs if they wish.
- Other QTs, if existent, will be shared.
- It is not allowed to quote from QTs, nor is it allowed to use a substitute in order to quote from (this does not include writing posts somewhere else with the intention of posting them later). Paraphrasing is acceptable. Since this rule is exploitable, I hope that no-one tries to do so.


Plus another few rules. Changes to my last game are bolded.
  • Game days will last 10/9/8/7/7... real days. Nights will last 2 real days.
  • You may vote: nolynch. If a majority of these votes is reached, a no-lynch will occur.
  • If mafia forfeits their kill at night, and a no-lynch happens as described above, mafia is obligated to attempt a kill in the following night. This does not apply if a no-lynch happens for a different reason.
  • Night Actions may be submitted up until an hour before the next day starts.
  • Extreme inactivity or any violation of rules will be dealt with based on my judgment.
  • It is forbidden to ask other players questions about syntax of information they received from the mod. This includes the wording of results from any night actions.
  • Mod posts will be blue and bolded. Similar colors should be avoided by players.
  • Players may not quote anything from the game elsewhere while the game is still ongoing. "The game" here includes this thread plus all related QTs.
  • There is no template for Role PMs.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2016, 08:23:55 am by silverspawn »
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2016, 06:26:37 pm »

Setup:
This is a closed RMM setup which I invented. The following information will be made public:

- The setup is on the simpler side, as far as RMM games on f.ds are concerned.
- The town wincon is: "you win when all mafia players have been eliminated."
- Each member of the mafia will know who his partners are.
- If there are factions beside mafia and town, then their win-con will not be mutually exclusive with either mafia or town.
- Cops are not guaranteed to be sane! Of the five possible sanities, only Random is guaranteed not to appear. Other roles may affect Cop Results.
- The resolution of Night Actions is Blocking -> Commuting -> Copying -> Redirecting -> Protecting -> Other -> Killing -> Investigative. None of these categories is guaranteed to appear, but each existing role will fit into one of them. If you are not sure which one, you may ask.
- If several actions of the same category take place in the same night, they will happen simultaneously.

Flavor:
Game will be flavorless. Alignment will be referenced as Town or Mafia aligned.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2016, 06:26:49 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2016, 06:31:46 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2016, 10:10:51 pm »

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For anyone else, such a statement would be a scum tell.  For Hydrad, it's simply a tell that you're reading something from Hydrad.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2016, 10:40:52 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2016, 10:43:21 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2016, 05:11:32 am »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2016, 09:59:57 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2016, 12:23:28 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2016, 12:38:50 pm »

There are quite a few games going on right now.  I expect this to fill pretty quickly after each of those games is over.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2016, 12:39:21 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2016, 02:15:41 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2016, 06:55:47 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2016, 07:01:42 pm »

Anything big I should be filled in on?
 ;D

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2016, 07:02:55 pm »

\tag

I'll leave updating Ichi to the guys who are actually playing.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2016, 07:04:46 pm »

Anything big I should be filled in on?
 ;D

By far, the most important thing is http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14521.0

90-93% of f.ds in jokes originate from that thread now.
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2016, 07:21:33 pm »

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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2016, 10:17:22 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2016, 06:47:52 am »

\in ...
Grrrr, I'll face my arch nemesis once again!

Here's a recording of me saying that I'm not the serial killer in case you need to decide between the two of us again: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16948609/iamnottheserialkiller.wav
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2016, 06:49:54 am »

\in ...
Grrrr, I'll face my arch nemesis once again!

Here's a recording of me saying that I'm not the serial killer in case you need to decide between the two of us again: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16948609/iamnottheserialkiller.wav
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2016, 11:14:46 am »

\in ...
Grrrr, I'll face my arch nemesis once again!
But I thought we were friends?  :'(

\in ...
Grrrr, I'll face my arch nemesis once again!

Here's a recording of me saying that I'm not the serial killer in case you need to decide between the two of us again: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16948609/iamnottheserialkiller.wav
I know you're not the serial killer, but your 'more trusting' voice convinced me.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2016, 01:39:30 pm »

Anything big I should be filled in on?
 ;D

By far, the most important thing is http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14521.0

90-93% of f.ds in jokes originate from that thread now.

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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2016, 02:01:32 pm »

Anything big I should be filled in on?
 ;D

By far, the most important thing is http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14521.0

90-93% of f.ds in jokes originate from that thread now.

Eh. I believe reading that thread is far more skippable than people think.

...considering how short life is.
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2016, 02:48:10 pm »

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« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2016, 11:13:18 am »

I'm not in a game right now, so people should sign up for this one!
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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2016, 10:26:32 pm »

This needs to fill up
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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2016, 10:27:12 pm »

This needs to fill up

Okay I'll

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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2016, 10:29:38 pm »

Witherweaver is already in every game.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2016, 12:31:03 pm »

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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2016, 10:36:45 am »

Two things

- Game will be flavorless (which also means the name is fine as is)
- I cut the available spots from 13 to 12 (I think it's actually better this way)

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Signups open, 3 spots left)
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2016, 10:46:18 am »

Oh alright then.  /in
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2016, 10:35:04 pm »

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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2016, 10:47:28 pm »

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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2016, 10:52:16 pm »

Someone please hammer.

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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2016, 10:55:51 pm »

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« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2016, 05:47:35 am »

Ooh Ichi's in this one?  Cool.  Hi Ichi.  Haven't seen you since my debut.
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RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (1 spot left - Hammer . . .)
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2016, 09:24:18 am »

Now the spelling of your name is.... in the limelight. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (1 spot left - Hammer . . .)
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2016, 09:36:42 am »

Now the spelling of your name is.... in the limelight.

Let me just quote your sig..
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (1 spot left - Hammer . . .)
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2016, 09:44:10 am »

Now the spelling of your name is.... in the limelight.

Let me just quote your sig..

Go ahead.
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« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2016, 10:31:53 am »

Ooh Ichi's in this one?  Cool.  Hi Ichi.  Haven't seen you since my debut.
Ha ha yeah. I kinda took a break after that one.
I'll bet you've won all the games you've been in since then, huh?

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« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2016, 10:39:51 am »

Ooh Ichi's in this one?  Cool.  Hi Ichi.  Haven't seen you since my debut.
Ha ha yeah. I kinda took a break after that one.
I'll bet you've won all the games you've been in since then, huh?
Hah!  That'd be nice.
Won every town game, lost every scum game. 
Still yet to be lynched.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2016, 10:41:22 am »

Ooh Ichi's in this one?  Cool.  Hi Ichi.  Haven't seen you since my debut.
Ha ha yeah. I kinda took a break after that one.
I'll bet you've won all the games you've been in since then, huh?
Hah!  That'd be nice.
Won every town game, lost every scum game. 
Still yet to be lynched.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Signups open, 1 spot left!)
« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2016, 10:42:22 am »

Ooh Ichi's in this one?  Cool.  Hi Ichi.  Haven't seen you since my debut.
Ha ha yeah. I kinda took a break after that one.
I'll bet you've won all the games you've been in since then, huh?
Hah!  That'd be nice.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (1 spot left - Hammer . . .)
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2016, 10:42:30 am »

Hammer hammer hammer hammer!
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« Reply #50 on: February 28, 2016, 04:14:06 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (1 spot left - Hammer . . .)
« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2016, 05:14:42 pm »

Ween it was at L-1 I wrote all the QT's and prepared everything, expecting it to start in a few hours. :/

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (1 spot left - Hammer . . .)
« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2016, 06:36:13 pm »

Ween it was at L-1 I wrote all the QT's and prepared everything, expecting it to start in a few hours. :/

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« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2016, 06:37:16 pm »

Stop
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« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2016, 06:38:01 pm »

Hammer time



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« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2016, 06:38:28 pm »

Yessss
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Full, PMs going out)
« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2016, 06:58:08 pm »

Ahh, great!

PMs going out. Please confirm in your QT, stating your Alignment. Day 1 will start 48 hours from now, or 24 hours after everyone has confirmed, whichever is later.

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« Reply #59 on: March 01, 2016, 01:39:03 pm »

Still missing confirmation(s).

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« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2016, 10:50:58 pm »

Alright, all confirmations are in. Day 1 will start at March 02, 6 PM Forum Time.

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« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2016, 06:07:06 pm »

Day 1 start!

Vote Count 1.0:

Not Voting (12): Awaclus, gkrieg13, Hydrad, Roadrunner7671, pingpongsam, 2.71828....., Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, chairs, Haddock, Limetime, Axxle

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« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2016, 06:10:00 pm »

Hi everyone!
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« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2016, 06:10:57 pm »

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« Reply #64 on: March 02, 2016, 06:20:31 pm »

Hi everyone!

Uh oh, what code is this?  vote: RR
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #65 on: March 02, 2016, 06:20:47 pm »

Hi everyone!

http://quicktopic.com/52/H/sbRUUz2Eqfw

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« Reply #66 on: March 02, 2016, 06:21:08 pm »

Damn, I got Sarnath'd.
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« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2016, 06:21:19 pm »

Hi everyone!

http://quicktopic.com/52/H/sbRUUz2Eqfw

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Woah we thought the same thing at the same time
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« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2016, 06:22:13 pm »

Confirmed, I am town aligned.
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« Reply #69 on: March 02, 2016, 06:23:35 pm »

Hi all!

vote: Axxle

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #70 on: March 02, 2016, 06:23:44 pm »

Hi everyone!

http://quicktopic.com/52/H/sbRUUz2Eqfw

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Find the Golden Templete.
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« Reply #71 on: March 02, 2016, 06:32:33 pm »

And...I'm in Mafia again. It's been a while.
Pls be gentle  ;D

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« Reply #72 on: March 02, 2016, 06:33:14 pm »

And...I'm in Mafia again. It's been a while.
Pls be gentle  ;D

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« Reply #73 on: March 02, 2016, 06:37:04 pm »

Hey fellow town guys. How does this thing work?
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« Reply #74 on: March 02, 2016, 06:38:14 pm »

vote: Limetime
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« Reply #75 on: March 02, 2016, 06:55:18 pm »

Finally
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« Reply #76 on: March 02, 2016, 06:57:53 pm »

What?

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« Reply #77 on: March 02, 2016, 07:47:59 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #78 on: March 02, 2016, 08:16:26 pm »

vote: gkreig

This is not an rvs vote.
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« Reply #79 on: March 02, 2016, 08:20:04 pm »

vote: gkreig

This is not an rvs vote.

You like to try and end my fun fast don't you
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« Reply #80 on: March 02, 2016, 08:38:08 pm »

vote: gkreig

This is not an rvs vote.

You like to try and end my fun fast don't you
If you find rvs fun, yes!
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« Reply #81 on: March 02, 2016, 08:38:46 pm »

I guess an Rr vote is pretty good too at this point
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« Reply #82 on: March 02, 2016, 08:49:27 pm »

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« Reply #83 on: March 02, 2016, 08:53:12 pm »

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« Reply #84 on: March 02, 2016, 08:53:43 pm »

But ok axle I'll try to stop rvs soon for you.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #85 on: March 02, 2016, 09:11:32 pm »

vote: gkreig

This is not an rvs vote.

If not rvs then why?
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« Reply #86 on: March 02, 2016, 09:11:48 pm »

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« Reply #87 on: March 02, 2016, 09:12:28 pm »

Vote: Hydrad
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #88 on: March 02, 2016, 09:35:54 pm »

What?

Oh IG is back. Interesting.
vote: Hydrad

vote: IG oh man IG is OMGUSing me. He's super scummy
Pah. You OMGUSed me back though.

PPE: 1

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« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2016, 09:40:01 pm »

What?

Oh IG is back. Interesting.
vote: Hydrad

vote: IG oh man IG is OMGUSing me. He's super scummy
Pah. You OMGUSed me back though.

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Pshh it's obvious you preOMGUSed me by knowing I was going to vote you so you voted me first. Your OMGUS has reached new heights.

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« Reply #90 on: March 02, 2016, 09:41:40 pm »

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« Reply #91 on: March 02, 2016, 09:42:19 pm »

vote:hydrad
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« Reply #92 on: March 02, 2016, 09:48:21 pm »

vote:hydrad
Oops forgot to bold
Vote:hydrad

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« Reply #94 on: March 02, 2016, 09:51:33 pm »

Vote: Limelight
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« Reply #95 on: March 02, 2016, 09:52:13 pm »

I thought I was fully reformed. It seems I've slipped back into my old ways during my break.
Don't think I didn't see that other game where you infringed my trademark though. I'm keeping records  :D

I'm pretty much breaking it every single game I play :D
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« Reply #96 on: March 02, 2016, 10:09:11 pm »

vote:hydrad
Oops forgot to bold
Vote:hydrad
Sry guys
Vote: hydrad

Your learning!

and also this is your first game right?

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« Reply #97 on: March 02, 2016, 10:09:55 pm »

I thought I was fully reformed. It seems I've slipped back into my old ways during my break.
Don't think I didn't see that other game where you infringed my trademark though. I'm keeping records  :D

I'm pretty much breaking it every single game I play :D
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« Reply #98 on: March 02, 2016, 10:10:19 pm »

Uh oh. Hydrad is buddying the new player. Obv!scum move the.
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« Reply #99 on: March 02, 2016, 10:12:24 pm »

Confirmed, I am town aligned.

D1 pass for PPS
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« Reply #100 on: March 02, 2016, 10:14:35 pm »

Confirmed, I am town aligned.

D1 pass for PPS

Confirmed, I am town aligned.
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« Reply #101 on: March 02, 2016, 10:17:07 pm »

vote:hydrad
Oops forgot to bold
Vote:hydrad
Sry guys
Vote: hydrad

Your learning!

and also this is your first game right?

Welcome! (PS a really good strat for this game is to not vote me as that would kill me. And killing me doesn't help me out very much)
This is my first game.
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« Reply #102 on: March 02, 2016, 10:17:18 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #104 on: March 02, 2016, 11:20:53 pm »

vote: pps.

You know who claims to be town-aligned preemptively?

SCUM.

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« Reply #105 on: March 02, 2016, 11:23:38 pm »

Vote: chairs
He doesn't know?
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« Reply #106 on: March 02, 2016, 11:33:12 pm »

Vote: chairs
He doesn't know?

who doesn't know?  what? 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #107 on: March 02, 2016, 11:34:35 pm »

This is a lot of cryptic stuff for this far into the game. I kinda remember some sort of promise or something PPS made having to do with that phrase?

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« Reply #108 on: March 02, 2016, 11:35:11 pm »

Vote: chairs
He doesn't know?

who doesn't know?  what?
Am I the only one who knows? I assumed PPS knew, but apparently it's all a conspiracy against me.
PPE
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #109 on: March 03, 2016, 12:22:30 am »

vote: chairs

You know who cares about ergonomics?

SCUM.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #110 on: March 03, 2016, 05:02:27 am »

What the cripes is going on?

This is weird.  Is the PPS thing a thing?  I'm not aware of it.

I guess, I dunno, vote: Hydrad
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #111 on: March 03, 2016, 07:01:12 am »

Vote Count 1.1

Hydrad (3): Ichimaru Gin, Limetime, Haddock
pingpongsam (1): chairs
Ichimaru Gin (2): gkrieg13, Hydrad
chairs (2): Roadrunner7671, e
gkrieg13 (1): Axxle

Not Voting (3): Awaclus, Witherweaver, pingpongsam

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« Reply #112 on: March 03, 2016, 08:15:24 am »

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« Reply #113 on: March 03, 2016, 09:29:27 am »

Vote Count 1.2

pingpongsam (1): chairs
Ichimaru Gin (2): gkrieg13, Hydrad
gkrieg13 (1): Axxle
Hydrad (3): Ichimaru Gin, Limetime, Haddock
chairs (2): Roadrunner7671, e

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #114 on: March 03, 2016, 10:36:22 am »

Since ashersky is not in the game the most obvious scum person is Awaclus.

If Awaclus is scum then so is Hydra which means that e would have to be his partner.

Of course Axxle would be the SK or Traitor if we have one.

Limetime is the Town vig if we have one of those.

WW is town.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #115 on: March 03, 2016, 10:55:38 am »

Since ashersky is not in the game the most obvious scum person is Awaclus.

If Awaclus is scum then so is Hydra which means that e would have to be his partner.

Of course Axxle would be the SK or Traitor if we have one.

Limetime is the Town vig if we have one of those.

WW is town.

Hope that helps.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #116 on: March 03, 2016, 11:03:02 am »

Since ashersky is not in the game the most obvious scum person is Awaclus.

If Awaclus is scum then so is Hydra which means that e would have to be his partner.

Of course Axxle would be the SK or Traitor if we have one.

Limetime is the Town vig if we have one of those.

WW is town.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #117 on: March 03, 2016, 12:54:33 pm »

Feeling more comfortable with vote: pps now actually than before (I think I already was, but just in case..).

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #118 on: March 03, 2016, 01:56:46 pm »

Feeling more comfortable with vote: pps now actually than before (I think I already was, but just in case..).

Right, because 2 posts in I am obvscum. Besides, I clearly didn't read the setup. Don't you know that makes me conftown?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #119 on: March 03, 2016, 02:30:23 pm »

Hurr.
Maybe I like vote: gkrieg. That seems like it might be a thing.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #120 on: March 03, 2016, 07:37:19 pm »

unvote for now.
I'm guessing WW's votes aren't counting because he's not referencing Limetime's exact name? Was there a rule change or something when it comes to that that I missed?

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« Reply #121 on: March 03, 2016, 07:38:32 pm »

unvote for now.
I'm guessing WW's votes aren't counting because he's not referencing Limetime's exact name? Was there a rule change or something when it comes to that that I missed?

Silverspawn is automating the vote counts.
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« Reply #122 on: March 03, 2016, 07:40:36 pm »

Oh ho. That's interesting. How long has that been going on?

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« Reply #123 on: March 03, 2016, 07:41:55 pm »

Oh ho. That's interesting. How long has that been going on?

He has done it for a while now. He started it one game to do unofficial vote counts I believe.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #124 on: March 03, 2016, 07:42:37 pm »

Oh ho. That's interesting. How long has that been going on?

Pretty long, I think he was already doing it before you took a break.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #125 on: March 03, 2016, 07:45:54 pm »

Hmm. I kinda remember some discussion (guess I say that a lot), but that's pretty cool.

In other news, this game seems to be stalling somewhat. Everyone's checked in. Axxle says he's voting gkrieg for non RVS reasons, but he hasn't explained what those are.

I'm not too familiar with PPS' meta; I'm assuming there are reasons for those who are giving him passes and stuff?

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« Reply #126 on: March 03, 2016, 08:02:52 pm »

PPS is town. Therefore he gets a pass.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #127 on: March 03, 2016, 08:05:01 pm »

Yet Hydrad is also 'Town', yet he doesn't get a pass...

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« Reply #128 on: March 03, 2016, 08:05:08 pm »

Confirmed, I am town aligned.

I mean, what other evidence do you need?
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« Reply #129 on: March 03, 2016, 08:06:51 pm »

Yet Hydrad is also 'Town', yet he doesn't get a pass...

Except, hydrad is scum. We will just wait to lynch him until D3 or so. Give him some rope to hang himself. Plus he is friendly. Friendly people are cool. It's like he is the new Eevee
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« Reply #130 on: March 03, 2016, 08:07:28 pm »

Confirmed, I am town aligned.

I mean, what other evidence do you need?
Maybe inspecting his body after its been hung to tell if he's really town?

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« Reply #131 on: March 03, 2016, 08:08:07 pm »

And somehow I did not get a PPE. Strange.

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« Reply #132 on: March 03, 2016, 08:17:45 pm »

And somehow I did not get a PPE. Strange.
Yes, it is...curious.
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« Reply #133 on: March 03, 2016, 08:22:40 pm »

Vote: Lavalamp !
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« Reply #134 on: March 03, 2016, 08:27:06 pm »

unvote for now.
I'm guessing WW's votes aren't counting because he's not referencing Limetime's exact name? Was there a rule change or something when it comes to that that I missed?

Silverspawn is automating the vote counts.

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« Reply #135 on: March 03, 2016, 08:30:54 pm »

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« Reply #136 on: March 03, 2016, 08:31:27 pm »

That's awesome!
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« Reply #137 on: March 03, 2016, 08:35:28 pm »

I recall another thread where this was discussed a while ago, but I'm not sure that I could find it.
This probably isn't the right place to ask questions about it, but I'd be interested what language you are using.
I'm still in the very early stages of my CS education, but I'm interested since I haven't had many opportunities to write programs for personal applications--just homework.

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« Reply #138 on: March 03, 2016, 08:39:06 pm »

I recall another thread where this was discussed a while ago, but I'm not sure that I could find it.
This probably isn't the right place to ask questions about it, but I'd be interested what language you are using.
I'm still in the very early stages of my CS education, but I'm interested since I haven't had many opportunities to write programs for personal applications--just homework.

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« Reply #139 on: March 03, 2016, 10:58:00 pm »

Vote: Lavalamp !

your really bad at this.
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« Reply #140 on: March 03, 2016, 10:58:16 pm »

you're

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« Reply #141 on: March 03, 2016, 10:59:26 pm »

Vote: WW

because... uhh... who knows.
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« Reply #142 on: March 03, 2016, 10:59:37 pm »

Vote: Lavalamp !

your really bad at this.

yeah, let's just lynch him

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Vote: WW

because... uhh... who knows.

This is a case I can sheep
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« Reply #144 on: March 03, 2016, 11:13:49 pm »

I'll catch up in a sec.

To clarify, I can confirm lynching gkreig will have a protown result, not sure he's scum though! Won't explain any more than that.
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« Reply #145 on: March 03, 2016, 11:15:27 pm »

You would lose a lynch where you could hit scum though!
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« Reply #146 on: March 03, 2016, 11:17:16 pm »

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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« Reply #147 on: March 03, 2016, 11:49:26 pm »

I'll catch up in a sec.

To clarify, I can confirm lynching gkreig will have a protown result, not sure he's scum though! Won't explain any more than that.

Oh in that case I'd be willing to go for that if I don't actually get a scum read on someone today.
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« Reply #148 on: March 03, 2016, 11:49:44 pm »

I'll catch up in a sec.

To clarify, I can confirm lynching gkreig will have a protown result, not sure he's scum though! Won't explain any more than that.

Oh in that case I'd be willing to go for that if I don't actually get a scum read on someone today.

(which probably won't happen so ya basically I'm fine with that lynch)
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« Reply #149 on: March 03, 2016, 11:54:11 pm »

vote: Hydrad
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« Reply #150 on: March 03, 2016, 11:54:56 pm »

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« Reply #151 on: March 03, 2016, 11:57:33 pm »

vote: Hydrad

more PreOMGUS!

It is that mixed with the fact that you are ready to vote for someone who isn't even a scum read from someone else.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: March 04, 2016, 12:04:59 am »

Yeah. I don't like the idea of lynching someone based on a promise of some sort of nebulous benefit.
Why does this seem like a good idea? I mean, maybe it could be better than a "random" lynch in which we don't possible get some "protown" benefit.
Almost nothing has happened today though. I'd consider this more heavily if the day goes on with nothing happening.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #153 on: March 04, 2016, 12:06:46 am »

I don't like Hydrad jumping on all the easy stuff and accusing people who vote for him. Doesn't feel like the Hydrad I'm used to tbh.

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« Reply #154 on: March 04, 2016, 12:07:13 am »

Yah today seems pretty boring.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #155 on: March 04, 2016, 12:09:55 am »

I'd like something other than jokes from WW.
Like his opinion on Axxle's claim.

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« Reply #156 on: March 04, 2016, 05:44:59 am »

I'd like something other than jokes from WW.

Good luck with that.
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« Reply #157 on: March 04, 2016, 06:56:36 am »

Vote Count 1.3

pingpongsam (1): chairs
gkrieg13 (2): Axxle, Haddock
Hydrad (2): Limetime, gkrieg13
chairs (1): Roadrunner7671
Witherweaver (2): Hydrad, e

Not Voting (4): Awaclus, Witherweaver, pingpongsam, Ichimaru Gin

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #158 on: March 04, 2016, 09:17:12 am »

vote: Hydrad. That seems... weird.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #159 on: March 04, 2016, 09:20:23 am »

I'd like something other than jokes from WW.
Like his opinion on Axxle's claim.

I believe Axxle.  At least, that he believes it would be pro-town; I can't say if it actually would be.
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« Reply #160 on: March 04, 2016, 09:22:24 am »

vote: Hydrad. That seems... weird.

What part is weird?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #161 on: March 04, 2016, 09:26:48 am »

vote: Hydrad. That seems... weird.

What part is weird?

The recent interaction, I don't know how to explain but it feels off.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #162 on: March 04, 2016, 09:31:10 am »

I'm going to do a

Vote: Ichi
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #163 on: March 04, 2016, 09:58:29 am »

Eh, not sure I like the Hydrad votes much.  He's not done anything particularly unHydrady so far.

If it helps people, I do have a very mild scumread on gkrieg, so whoever-it-was with their idea that lynching gkrieg was protown - well, now there might at least be some other kind of reason to vote for him.
But it's nothing strong.

I don't know Ichi's meta at all and TimeForLimes probably gets a D1 pass for being new.  Other than that I don't have much yet.  Feel like we're basically out of RVS now though.
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RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #164 on: March 04, 2016, 10:17:19 am »

Feel like we're basically out of RVS now though.

Yes, it is now clear that chairs and I are scum partners.
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« Reply #165 on: March 04, 2016, 10:19:04 am »

Dude, I know you like to play it crazy, but seriously WHUT?

You're weirding me out.  I don't remember crazy stuff like this happening in the last game we both played in.  Is it just an RMM symptom or should I be voting for you?  Cos SERIOUSLY.
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RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #166 on: March 04, 2016, 10:26:40 am »

E keeps on changing his votes
Vote: E
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #167 on: March 04, 2016, 11:04:50 am »

Dude, I know you like to play it crazy, but seriously WHUT?

You're weirding me out.  I don't remember crazy stuff like this happening in the last game we both played in.  Is it just an RMM symptom or should I be voting for you?  Cos SERIOUSLY.

Chairs voted me for the cred when one of us flips later. Feel free to vote me if you want to out yourself as the other partner.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #168 on: March 04, 2016, 11:07:51 am »

I missed Mafia PPS. 

Why aren't you bussing your partner now?!
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« Reply #169 on: March 04, 2016, 11:30:26 am »

I missed Mafia PPS. 

Why aren't you bussing your partner now?!

I have a role that requires me to tell the god's honest truth about everything without provocation despite being scum. Silverspawn is sick and twisted like that. Think Jim Carrey in Liar Liar.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #170 on: March 04, 2016, 11:39:08 am »

E keeps on changing his votes
Vote: E
Hurm.  Hate to say this, but changing vote a lot early on the game is kind of a thing.  If he carries on doing it past, well, roughly now, it's a problem, but I don't think it's voteworthy at this point.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #171 on: March 04, 2016, 11:43:59 am »

I'm going to do a

Vote: Ichi
Should I even bother asking?

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #172 on: March 04, 2016, 02:31:55 pm »

Wow. This game is dead. It doesn't have to be that way guys!

I'm guessing WW is voting me because I ticked him off some how? I didn't state that his jokiness was scummy, been through that before. I just wanted to hear what he thought.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #173 on: March 04, 2016, 03:34:27 pm »

E keeps on changing his votes
Vote: E
Hurm.  Hate to say this, but changing vote a lot early on the game is kind of a thing.  If he carries on doing it past, well, roughly now, it's a problem, but I don't think it's voteworthy at this point.

Liking a Vote: haddock
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #174 on: March 04, 2016, 03:37:14 pm »

Vote: timelime
Him lurking seems strange and possibly scummy.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #175 on: March 04, 2016, 03:38:06 pm »

Vote: e
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #176 on: March 04, 2016, 04:01:27 pm »

Vote Count 1.4

Haddock (1): e
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
e (2): Limetime, Witherweaver
gkrieg13 (2): Axxle, Haddock
Hydrad (2): gkrieg13, chairs
chairs (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (3): Awaclus, pingpongsam, Ichimaru Gin

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #177 on: March 04, 2016, 04:20:55 pm »

E keeps on changing his votes
Vote: E
Hurm.  Hate to say this, but changing vote a lot early on the game is kind of a thing.  If he carries on doing it past, well, roughly now, it's a problem, but I don't think it's voteworthy at this point.

Liking a Vote: haddock
What the what?

Care to explain that?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #178 on: March 04, 2016, 04:47:20 pm »

Vote: Limetime
I was serious about that.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #179 on: March 04, 2016, 05:02:41 pm »

Vote: Limetime
I was serious about that.
And your not lurking?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #180 on: March 04, 2016, 05:09:48 pm »

Vote: Limetime
I was serious about that.
And your not lurking?
Eh, maybe a bit more than usual, but it's your first mafia game!

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #181 on: March 04, 2016, 06:22:44 pm »

I think taking us out of RVS too early causes these kinds of problems.  No one knows what to add because there really isn't anything to talk about yet. 

I do still want to hear people's opinions about Axxle and his claim.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #182 on: March 04, 2016, 06:32:47 pm »

I think taking us out of RVS too early causes these kinds of problems.  No one knows what to add because there really isn't anything to talk about yet. 

I do still want to hear people's opinions about Axxle and his claim.

I think he's telling the truth. for some reason I feel like I can trust him
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #183 on: March 04, 2016, 06:43:15 pm »

Vote: Limetime
I was serious about that.
And your not lurking?
Eh, maybe a bit more than usual, but it's your first mafia game!

mimelite is in the slight scum side for me right now actually. I still don't want him gone day1 at least though. As for new players especially I think it's easier to tell what side they are on the longer they are alive for.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #184 on: March 04, 2016, 06:44:25 pm »

Vote: Limetime
I was serious about that.
And your not lurking?
Eh, maybe a bit more than usual, but it's your first mafia game!

mimelite is in the slight scum side for me right now actually. I still don't want him gone day1 at least though. As for new players especially I think it's easier to tell what side they are on the longer they are alive for.
Oh, yeah, we're not lynching him D1. Voting is good though.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #185 on: March 04, 2016, 07:00:44 pm »

Why does everyone have trouble with limetime's name?
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« Reply #186 on: March 04, 2016, 07:08:26 pm »

Why does everyone have trouble with limetime's name?

I don't have any trouble with limememe's name.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #187 on: March 04, 2016, 07:10:30 pm »

Why does everyone have trouble with limetime's name?
Who?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #188 on: March 04, 2016, 07:13:22 pm »

Kazaa > Limewire.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #189 on: March 04, 2016, 07:18:49 pm »

Why does everyone have trouble with limetime's name?

No one gets the ie right in gkrieg either.  It's just a thing
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« Reply #190 on: March 04, 2016, 07:21:03 pm »

Why does everyone have trouble with limetime's name?

No one gets the ie right in gkrieg either.  It's just a thing

I have always gotten it right! So I guess that means I'm no one.  :'(

But then again, no one is perfect so I guess that's fine.
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« Reply #191 on: March 04, 2016, 07:25:22 pm »

Oh God I'm agreeing with awa again. I've always spelled gkrieg correctly.

I might post some reads tomorrow.

They'll all be weak as hell, but as a starting point it's as good as anything.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #192 on: March 04, 2016, 07:27:13 pm »

Ok I'll correct that, a small group of people always get the ie wrong in gkrieg
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« Reply #193 on: March 04, 2016, 07:28:50 pm »

Ok I'll correct that, a small group of people always get the ie wrong in gkrieg
I'm in that group. Sorry gkreig.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #194 on: March 04, 2016, 08:00:11 pm »

vote: Hydrad

more PreOMGUS!

It is that mixed with the fact that you are ready to vote for someone who isn't even a scum read from someone else.
His wording plus the fact he didn't actually vote makes it a weak town tell for me
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« Reply #195 on: March 04, 2016, 08:02:36 pm »

Unless they're both scum I guess
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #196 on: March 04, 2016, 08:38:22 pm »

Vote: timelime
Him lurking seems strange and possibly scummy.
vote: roadrunner
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« Reply #197 on: March 04, 2016, 09:12:33 pm »

I used to get gkrieg right until the last game where the mod did it wrong and so I thought I had been doing it wrong until a few days later when I double checked but then it was too late.
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« Reply #198 on: March 04, 2016, 09:15:39 pm »

I before e except after c
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« Reply #199 on: March 04, 2016, 09:16:58 pm »

I before e except after c

Right because eight.
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« Reply #200 on: March 04, 2016, 09:17:23 pm »

I before e except after c

It might be because people have never heard it pronounced as well
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« Reply #201 on: March 04, 2016, 09:20:31 pm »

Vein
Stein
Heist
Rein
Forfeit


Yeah that is some rubbish spelling mnemonic


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« Reply #202 on: March 04, 2016, 09:21:30 pm »

Meiosis
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« Reply #203 on: March 04, 2016, 09:21:56 pm »

Weird
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« Reply #204 on: March 04, 2016, 09:22:18 pm »

It's like Blitzkrieg but with g instead of blitz. Pretty easy to remember IMO.
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« Reply #205 on: March 04, 2016, 09:22:44 pm »

Veil


Point made?
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Veil


Point made?

well except those are sounding as "a" as in neighbor and weigh. Ok except for most of then
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« Reply #208 on: March 04, 2016, 09:40:09 pm »

I before e except after c

Right because eight.
Except sounding like "a" as in neighbor or weigh (or eight)
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« Reply #210 on: March 04, 2016, 09:54:17 pm »

so....House of Cards season 4 just popped up on Netflix....

Anyway.  I am confident in my PPS read.
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« Reply #211 on: March 04, 2016, 10:12:45 pm »

so....House of Cards season 4 just popped up on Netflix....

Anyway.  I am confident in my PPS read.
Being in the Eastern time zone is nice. For you, it 'just' popped up. For me...
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« Reply #212 on: March 04, 2016, 10:17:49 pm »

Just finished episode 1
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« Reply #213 on: March 04, 2016, 10:23:22 pm »

I'm glad we've launched progressive conversation.

My top scum read might be chairs for now.
Vote: chairs
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« Reply #214 on: March 04, 2016, 10:52:51 pm »

This game  ;D.
But yeah. I agree with PPS that it's stupid to have a rule with so many exceptions. It defeats the purpose.

Chairs is pretty low activity. My recollection is that he was changing that the last time I was around though?

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« Reply #215 on: March 04, 2016, 10:55:23 pm »

Oh and science.

i before e except after c but also after c.

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« Reply #216 on: March 04, 2016, 10:58:45 pm »

I before e except when e before I.
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« Reply #217 on: March 04, 2016, 10:59:41 pm »

This is the problem with RMM: it takes place in night.
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« Reply #218 on: March 05, 2016, 01:55:17 am »

This game  ;D.
But yeah. I agree with PPS that it's stupid to have a rule with so many exceptions. It defeats the purpose.

Chairs is pretty low activity. My recollection is that he was changing that the last time I was around though?

Now I get more bursty. Low activity, then suddenly "who the fuck is chairs and why is he pentaposting?"

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« Reply #219 on: March 05, 2016, 05:40:44 am »

Now I get more bursty. Low activity, then suddenly "who the fuck is chairs and why is he pentaposting?"

This is how the post looked to me at first glance:

Now I get more busty. Low activity, then suddenly "who the fuck is chairs and why is he hentaiposting?"
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« Reply #220 on: March 05, 2016, 07:19:03 am »

This is the problem with RMM: it takes place in night.

You see a bug I see a feature. D1 is near useless in either format, except after the fact, and even then it is if fairly limited utility. If anything of import is going to happen D1 it is far more likely to do so in RMM.
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« Reply #221 on: March 05, 2016, 09:16:05 am »

I think a vote: Awaclus is in order.
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« Reply #222 on: March 05, 2016, 09:27:18 am »

Vote Count 1.5

Awaclus (1): Haddock
Haddock (1): e
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
e (2): Limetime, Witherweaver
Hydrad (2): gkrieg13, chairs
Roadrunner7671 (1): Axxle
chairs (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (3): Awaclus, pingpongsam, Ichimaru Gin

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« Reply #223 on: March 05, 2016, 09:37:26 am »

I think an Awaclus vote is not in order, just a  ::)

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« Reply #224 on: March 05, 2016, 10:43:20 am »

More people should sheep me.
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« Reply #225 on: March 05, 2016, 10:52:47 am »

More people should sheep me.

You never explained your vote?
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« Reply #226 on: March 05, 2016, 03:10:24 pm »

Vote: timelime
Him lurking seems strange and possibly scummy.
vote: roadrunner
Following up with this, his reason for voting seems like a huge stretch and his late hopping onto the "messing up limetime's name" meme feels a bit too "look at me I'm joking town too" to me.
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« Reply #227 on: March 05, 2016, 03:22:38 pm »

More people should sheep me.
I only sheep people I have townreads on.
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« Reply #228 on: March 05, 2016, 04:06:53 pm »

More people should sheep me.
I only sheep people I have townreads on.
What does sheaping people mean?
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« Reply #229 on: March 05, 2016, 04:11:01 pm »

If you sheep person X onto person Y, that means you're voting for person Y mostly because person X is voting for them. It's actually often times protown to do so if you gave a strong town read on X but only a null read on Y. It's a good way to get town to compromise or to just get wagons started for information.
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« Reply #230 on: March 05, 2016, 04:11:55 pm »

It's called sheeping because your vote is like a sheep, with person X being the shepherd
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« Reply #231 on: March 05, 2016, 04:48:18 pm »

More people should sheep me.
I only sheep people I have townreads on.

You have a townread on me.
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« Reply #232 on: March 05, 2016, 04:49:55 pm »

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« Reply #233 on: March 05, 2016, 09:13:32 pm »

So we are going to lynch someone today right?
I kinda like a vote: Haddock right now.

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« Reply #234 on: March 05, 2016, 09:23:12 pm »

vote: haddock
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« Reply #235 on: March 05, 2016, 09:24:59 pm »

I guess I'll fall into this bandwagon.
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« Reply #236 on: March 05, 2016, 09:25:23 pm »

I guess I'll fall into this bandwagon.
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« Reply #237 on: March 05, 2016, 09:30:28 pm »

Why is everyone voting for Haddock?
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« Reply #238 on: March 05, 2016, 09:35:29 pm »

I have a townread on gin and a nullish-to-scum read on haddock.
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« Reply #239 on: March 05, 2016, 09:46:09 pm »

I have a townread on gin and a nullish-to-scum read on haddock.
But how did you acquire those reads?
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« Reply #240 on: March 05, 2016, 09:48:18 pm »

Why is everyone voting for Haddock?
I am A sheep
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« Reply #241 on: March 05, 2016, 10:28:43 pm »

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« Reply #242 on: March 05, 2016, 10:30:01 pm »

Vote Count 1.6

Awaclus (1): Haddock
Haddock (4): e, Ichimaru Gin, Axxle, Limetime
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
e (1): Witherweaver
Hydrad (2): gkrieg13, chairs
chairs (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (2): Awaclus, pingpongsam

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« Reply #243 on: March 05, 2016, 11:06:18 pm »

I am, in fact, still alive. Just a busy day.
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« Reply #244 on: March 05, 2016, 11:07:28 pm »

In case people were worried. Thought I should let you know. Still like my vote. Proud of the wagon I started. I will come back later to build an official case as necessary
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« Reply #245 on: March 05, 2016, 11:08:38 pm »

so....House of Cards season 4 just popped up on Netflix....

Anyway.  I am confident in my PPS read.
"Busy"
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« Reply #246 on: March 05, 2016, 11:29:20 pm »

In case people were worried. Thought I should let you know. Still like my vote. Proud of the wagon I started. I will come back later to build an official case as necessary

I would like that
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #247 on: March 06, 2016, 01:09:19 am »

OK TIME FOR A SUPER ACCURATE READ LIST. On day 1! with almost nothing happening... its perfect.

0=scum 10=town 5=null

Awaclus 4.5. meh
gkrieg13 5.1. meh
Hydrad 17. meh
Roadrunner7671 5.7. meh
pingpongsam 4.7. meh
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Witherweaver 4.3. meh
Ichimaru Gin 6.2. meh (ok I started out saying meh because I had nothing to say and then enjoyed it. But for IG hes one I actually can think of something to say. I like how hes annoyed that nothings happening and feels like thats more of a towny thing for him to do then a scummy one.
chairs 5. meh
Haddock 4.9 meh (people think hes scummy I guess? meh)
Milemite 4.2 meh (basically for not giving the super townyness that I think a decent amount of first time players give)
Axxle 5.4 meh (would be higher as I think hes doing towny things. But I don't know if I've really seen his scum abilities so he might be really good at scum and tricking me.)

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« Reply #248 on: March 06, 2016, 01:14:23 am »

So...like everyone is scummy?
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« Reply #249 on: March 06, 2016, 01:17:21 am »

So...like everyone is scummy?

no if your above 5 that means your towny!

basically though 6 or higher is a actual town read. and 4 or lower is an actual scum read.

right now IG is my only full town read (other than myself) and I don't have a full scum read right now. So basically everyones null! woooo
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« Reply #250 on: March 06, 2016, 04:17:52 am »

Why did you post that?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #251 on: March 06, 2016, 05:17:46 am »

Wow.
I go to sleep, I wake up, and there are four votes on me.  Good times.

So I'd love to hear e's case on me since he started the wagon and noone else has offered any reason.
In fact all the votes look like sheep votes to me.
I could maybe believe that axxle has a reason to vote for me that he hasn't explained?
I haven't had many posts at all so don't know how people are reading me scummy.  Gonna be around a little more now I hope.

Any case,  enough about meverything,  I was gonna post my two reasons why Awaclus is scummy. It comes down to two posts:
The stronger one is this:
Why does everyone have trouble with limetime's name?

No one gets the ie right in gkrieg either.  It's just a thing

I have always gotten it right! So I guess that means I'm no one.  :'(

But then again, no one is perfect so I guess that's fine.
This post is severely out of character for Awaclus.  He is many things, but he is never ever self-deprecating.

The other is this:
Now I get more bursty. Low activity, then suddenly "who the fuck is chairs and why is he pentaposting?"

This is how the post looked to me at first glance:

Now I get more busty. Low activity, then suddenly "who the fuck is chairs and why is he hentaiposting?"
This is weaker, but this is a very forced joke, and doesn't really fit with town!Awaclus at this stage of the game. It feels like an attempt at distraction.  He's not exactly playing to his precious win-con here, whatever it is...

I will do my promised reads list at some point, though hydrad's should do some of the work in terms of kicking off conversation.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #252 on: March 06, 2016, 05:18:32 am »

Autocorrect.  "Enough about me"
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #253 on: March 06, 2016, 05:25:03 am »

Why did you post that?

I dunno. it was something to do I guess.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #254 on: March 06, 2016, 05:29:40 am »

This post is severely out of character for Awaclus.  He is many things, but he is never ever self-deprecating.

Did you read the second line where I was implying that I was perfect?

This is weaker, but this is a very forced joke, and doesn't really fit with town!Awaclus at this stage of the game. It feels like an attempt at distraction.  He's not exactly playing to his precious win-con here, whatever it is...

It was not a joke, that was seriously how I read the post at first. Posting it did not distract the game in any way and it wasn't at all detrimental to my town win con, either.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #255 on: March 06, 2016, 05:37:46 am »

This post is severely out of character for Awaclus.  He is many things, but he is never ever self-deprecating.

Did you read the second line where I was implying that I was perfect?

This is weaker, but this is a very forced joke, and doesn't really fit with town!Awaclus at this stage of the game. It feels like an attempt at distraction.  He's not exactly playing to his precious win-con here, whatever it is...

It was not a joke, that was seriously how I read the post at first. Posting it did not distract the game in any way and it wasn't at all detrimental to my town win con, either.
To your first question: yes I did. It doesn't rescue the post as far as I'm concerned. I do not believe that you would as your usual self think to make the first sentence.

To your second: my point is kind of that I don't believe that's how you read it. It feels like you've gone out of your way to construct a sentence that you could pretend was how you read it.  And it did distract from the game.  Now that I think about it, who was it who starting talking about limetime's name? While I'm on a rant against distraction, I should have a look at them too.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #256 on: March 06, 2016, 06:28:04 am »

To your first question: yes I did. It doesn't rescue the post as far as I'm concerned. I do not believe that you would as your usual self think to make the first sentence.

It's a joke. The second line is the punchline. Furthermore, it's an old joke and not even one that I invented.

To your second: my point is kind of that I don't believe that's how you read it. It feels like you've gone out of your way to construct a sentence that you could pretend was how you read it.

Look at the timestamp. That was just a few minutes after I had woken up.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #257 on: March 06, 2016, 06:49:35 am »

So what made you think of the joke?
I still don't see town you ever even considering making that joke at that point.

And OK,  yes fair enough if you'd just woken up, I missed that.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #258 on: March 06, 2016, 07:02:16 am »

So what made you think of the joke?
I still don't see town you ever even considering making that joke at that point.

I always think of that joke when someone says "nobody" and I fit their description of "nobody".
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #259 on: March 06, 2016, 07:06:02 am »

Hmm.

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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #260 on: March 06, 2016, 09:10:00 am »

Axxle is pro scum. Somebody up there as asking about his scum abilities...

Haddock is behaving somewhat like he did last game when he had a wagon on him and flipped scum. That was considerably later in the day and did have a more, "oh me oh my I must be so amateur and silly" feel to it though.

It's D1 so I don't really care who we lynch so long as it isn't me or anyone who has postulated some significant role power ala ashersky. I mean I suppose someone could be pressured to do such a thing with a large wagon but by and large I feel it is too late for that sort of thing, got to come out quick with that stuff.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #261 on: March 06, 2016, 10:03:59 am »

Haddock is behaving somewhat like he did last game when he had a wagon on him and flipped scum. That was considerably later in the day and did have a more, "oh me oh my I must be so amateur and silly" feel to it though.
Hmm.  This is an interesting thought.

Obviously I can't tell for sure, but I think I'm responding how I always do to medium-sized wagons on me early on, independent of alignment.  I essentially always have the same thoughts:

If I think that someone has presented an argument against me, I evaluate it and try to respond as best as I can.
If not (as in this case), I try to get the main proponents to explain themselves.  Then I usually start talking about whatever other thoughts I've had.  There's two reasons why I do that:
1) A medium sized wagon is not particularly terrifying - there's no point hanging up the whole conversation in trying desperately to get the four people who are voting me to stop.
2) Mostly people seem to find me scummy early on because I don't ever have much to say early on in D1, and people notice the difference between that and the slightly more vocal me (with longer posts) appearing later on in the game.  If people are voting me, I soon realise that it's because I haven't been contributing long enough posts, so I say something significant because clearly I should.


Those two things apply to me as either alignment.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #262 on: March 06, 2016, 10:26:45 am »

Anyhoo, here's my super-early Hydrad-style reads list.  Nothing here is particularly firm, obviously.

I haven't decided as I write this sentence whether or not to include the people currently voting for me on the list.  I've noticed about myself that I'm quite susceptible to OMGUS, so I don't want to make assessments tainted by that.

Awaclus - well, people know my thoughts about him.  He's essentially succeeded in convincing me that I was imagining things though, so null.

gkrieg13 - Hurm.  I thought his post where he went through some setup stuff looked bad, but I think I've decided to give him town points for that.  Reading the setup is not scummy, but scum know that some people see it as such, and would therefore avoid it.  I think.

Hydrad - Nothing unHydrad appearing yet.  Slight town.

Roadrunner7671 - Hmm.  Not sure I like his supershort posts.  Something seems off about him.  Will let you know if I can put my finger on it.  Buddying me slightly, which isn't necessarily great.   Mild scum.

pingpongsam - His first real contribution is his most recent post.  Everything else is fluff.  So, up until then, null-but-could-lynch.  Now, not so sure.  It was a decent contribution, so...

2.71828..... - ugh.  I think I will say.  I have a medium scum read here, but I don't want to get too into it, I have no idea how much of my read is OMGUS.

Witherweaver - I can literally never read WW.  The fact that I still can't probably means he's town? Right?  I dunno.

Ichimaru Gin - I've never seen town!Ichi.  But this could maybe be it.  I like that he's driving the game forward.  Nice.  Wait, he's one of the one's voting me?  Bleh.  Well I was gonna come down just on the towny side, so I'll stick to that.

chairs - chairsy.  Null.

Limetime - D1 pass.  I do not like his sheepy vote, but maybe that's OMGUS.

Axxle - Never played with, don't know, don't want to say because it's definitely tainted by OMGUS.

vote: RR I think
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #263 on: March 06, 2016, 10:28:48 am »

I can sheep that.

vote: RR

I don't think reading the setup should ever be an alignment tell for anyone. Especially when it is nice and short and has good bullet points to make it easy to read.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #264 on: March 06, 2016, 10:36:37 am »

Vote: Haddock seems right.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #265 on: March 06, 2016, 10:50:07 am »

Vote: Haddock seems right.

Really?  He seems townie to me
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #266 on: March 06, 2016, 10:51:54 am »

Vote: Haddock seems right.

Really?  He seems townie to me

So you mean you're scum?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #267 on: March 06, 2016, 10:58:37 am »

Haddock says quite often that only scum votes for RR. So OMGUS could be coming in soon.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #268 on: March 06, 2016, 11:00:45 am »

Haddock says quite often that only scum votes for RR. So OMGUS could be coming in soon.

You haven't really done anything rry yet
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #269 on: March 06, 2016, 11:03:21 am »

Haddock says quite often that only scum votes for RR. So OMGUS could be coming in soon.

You haven't really done anything rry yet
Even if I'm scum, I'm still RR.

I thought we decided that we didn't want to lynch RR because he was so misunderstood. We've made this mistake time and time again, in Marval Mafia, Simply Simple Mafia, other games that I can't think of right now.

This wagon=dumb.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #270 on: March 06, 2016, 11:23:50 am »

Haddock says quite often that only scum votes for RR. So OMGUS could be coming in soon.

You haven't really done anything rry yet
Even if I'm scum, I'm still RR.

I thought we decided that we didn't want to lynch RR because he was so misunderstood. We've made this mistake time and time again, in Marval Mafia, Simply Simple Mafia, other games that I can't think of right now.

This wagon=dumb.

Wagon?  What wagon?  I don't see a wagon on RR.  He must be imagining things.

Wait, whats that you say?  He got two votes in quick succession?  And he is at, what, two votes?  Ok, yeah.  Totally a wagon.

I am a professional RR reader, but I have yet to read him as town or scum.  When that happens, I will let you all know.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #271 on: March 06, 2016, 11:26:07 am »

Alright this is getting super silly now.

L-2 I think?  I know it's D1 in an RMM game and noone really cares who we lynch, but seriously?  There has been no case put forward against me.  Not a one. 
Come on guys, I'm contributing, I'm putting my thoughts out there, there is no scum narrative for anything I've done.

I can't help but feel that there are two things at play here, driving the lynch:
1) I'm always always found scummy day 1.  Read my games if you like, it's true.
2) I foolishly told everyone I'd never been lynched, and people want to "fix" that.  I understand this urge, but we can do better than that.

Also, RR, I don't think I've ever said that only scum votes for RR.  That applied to one game we played a while back, where you were obv!town.  I don't think that applies here.

WW, I'm appealing to you once again not to fall into the trap.  You always always find me scummy on D1, and statistically you've been wrong more often than not.  Let's not have a mislynch go through here.

PPE. That's a very typical RR response to a "wagon".  I don't know if I can give him town points for it though since it's literally one post after he's been called out for not doing anything RRy.  He's self-aware enough to force it.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #272 on: March 06, 2016, 11:28:25 am »

I am a professional RR reader
Three's a crowd.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #273 on: March 06, 2016, 12:31:58 pm »

D1 isn't really about cases it's about getting a lynch that gives the best analysis D2. For scum it's about not getting lynched and setting up the best distancing plan for the game. For town it's making sure if your going to get mislynched it highlights scum as much as possible.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #274 on: March 06, 2016, 02:28:47 pm »

Vote Count 1.7

Haddock (5): e, Ichimaru Gin, Axxle, Limetime, Witherweaver {L-2}
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (1): chairs
Roadrunner7671 (2): Haddock, gkrieg13
chairs (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (2): Awaclus, pingpongsam

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #275 on: March 06, 2016, 02:31:15 pm »

Vote: Haddock
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« Reply #276 on: March 06, 2016, 02:43:50 pm »

Vote: Haddock

Now this is really interesting.
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« Reply #277 on: March 06, 2016, 02:44:22 pm »

It's never too early to recklessly put someone to L-1!
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #278 on: March 06, 2016, 03:10:32 pm »

Ugh.
I'm majorly pissed off now. Beginning to understand ash's tendency to self vote.

THERE IS NO CASE HERE. Noone has presented one. e was the original proponent and claims to have  a case, is here to mock me but won't present it, as, as I recall, he said he would.

I've done absolutely nothing scummy here. There is no scum narrative for any of my behaviour.

I repeat: THERE IS NO REASON TO LYNCH ME.

I get that it's day 1 and scumhunting is hard, but make an effort people. We can do so much better than this it's unreal. This is a combination of confirmation bias and people just wanting to lynch me because I've never been lynched.

Let's take Hydrad for example. Maybe people don't like his reads lists, but they show an effort is being made. I'm making an effort too and people want to lynch me for it.
Not one person voting for me has put any effort into making a case against anyone, including any case against the person they're voting for.

For fucks sake people.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #279 on: March 06, 2016, 03:11:54 pm »

Ugh.
I'm majorly pissed off now. Beginning to understand ash's tendency to self vote.

THERE IS NO CASE HERE. Noone has presented one. e was the original proponent and claims to have  a case, is here to mock me but won't present it, as, as I recall, he said he would.

I've done absolutely nothing scummy here. There is no scum narrative for any of my behaviour.

I repeat: THERE IS NO REASON TO LYNCH ME.

I get that it's day 1 and scumhunting is hard, but make an effort people. We can do so much better than this it's unreal. This is a combination of confirmation bias and people just wanting to lynch me because I've never been lynched.

Let's take Hydrad for example. Maybe people don't like his reads lists, but they show an effort is being made. I'm making an effort too and people want to lynch me for it.
Not one person voting for me has put any effort into making a case against anyone, including any case against the person they're voting for.

For fucks sake people.
I agree with this. Why is everyone voting for Haddock?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #280 on: March 06, 2016, 03:12:39 pm »

Haddock might want to claim though.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #281 on: March 06, 2016, 03:22:21 pm »

You don't need a scum narrative to be lynched, just not a town one.

Like I said before I hadn't been getting a town vibe from your posts, but I'll revisit in a few hours.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #282 on: March 06, 2016, 03:33:43 pm »

Haddock might want to claim though.
Considering it. Not sure I see the point. It's RMM, e very one has a role. And it's not like it would make any difference.  Not like anyone's paying any attention to reason at the moment.
PPE. I disagree with your first sentence. But nonetheless thank you for your unvote.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #283 on: March 06, 2016, 04:54:35 pm »

Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now.  Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.

Let's do

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #284 on: March 06, 2016, 04:55:51 pm »

Sometimes it's okay to push lynches, even when there isn't really a case.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #285 on: March 06, 2016, 05:35:11 pm »

Another unvote.  Feeling a bit better now, thanks WW. :)

I was also pretty annoyed during that post because it was a phone post and long phone posts with crappy internet are annoying.  Back on PC now.

I guess I can kinda see the "pushing a wagon to get a reaction" type thing, but I do still want to see e's case.  Not in my control, of course.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #286 on: March 06, 2016, 05:51:41 pm »

Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now.  Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.

Let's do

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #287 on: March 06, 2016, 05:53:20 pm »

Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now.  Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.

Let's do

Vote: Gkrieg

Why me?

Why not you?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #288 on: March 06, 2016, 05:54:02 pm »

Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now.  Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.

Let's do

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Why me?

Why not you?

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #289 on: March 06, 2016, 05:54:56 pm »

Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now.  Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.

Let's do

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Why me?

Why not you?

Because I'm town
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #290 on: March 06, 2016, 05:59:02 pm »

Well right now I have a town-read on Hydrad and PPS and Haddock.  Scum on chairs.  slight scum on RR.  Null everyone else.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #291 on: March 06, 2016, 06:08:41 pm »

back to

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #292 on: March 06, 2016, 06:10:09 pm »

Vote Count 1.8

Haddock (3): Ichimaru Gin, Limetime, Awaclus
Witherweaver (2): Hydrad, e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Hydrad (1): chairs
Roadrunner7671 (1): Haddock
chairs (2): Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Axxle

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #293 on: March 06, 2016, 06:13:15 pm »

Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now.  Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.

Let's do

Vote: Gkrieg

Why me?

Why not you?

Because I'm town

What should make us think that?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #294 on: March 06, 2016, 06:23:26 pm »

Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now.  Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.

Let's do

Vote: Gkrieg

Why me?

Why not you?

Because I'm town

What should make us think that?

I just want to keep responding with one liners.  I'm town because my interactions have been towny.  I don't think I've ever reread myself before.

I do some RVS stuff, explain the setup, tell people how syntactically to vote,

I voted for Hydrad because he supported Axxle's plan, I'm surprised more people didn't respond to that actually.  People seemed to skirt around it.

I got everyone off-track with the name thing.  Sorry about that.

I asked good questions like why people were voting the way they were.

Sheeped Haddock.

Talked about my reads and then got into this discussion.

I've been pretty active for me for D1.  I think my votes are also townie.  I think my interactions with people are townie.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #295 on: March 06, 2016, 06:39:42 pm »

Not sure who I think is scum anymore.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #296 on: March 06, 2016, 06:40:53 pm »

Okay, that is a pretty decent defense.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #297 on: March 06, 2016, 06:57:37 pm »

I voted Gkrieg because he played some defense for Haddock at a time where scum would feel the need to make a decision abut a town!Haddock.

White knighting, basically.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #298 on: March 06, 2016, 07:12:10 pm »

vote: hydrad
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #299 on: March 06, 2016, 11:45:32 pm »

vote: hydrad

you didn't like my read list?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #300 on: March 06, 2016, 11:55:30 pm »

I didn't find it particularly townie, and I know some players tend to give read lists more often as scum since it's a good way to look like you're doing something while keeping the game state pretty much the same. Gkrieg broght up your reaction to my claim so I went back to go look at it. It definitely read a bit scummy. It seemed like you didn't want to draw attention to yourself with a questionable vote so wanted others to take the first step.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #301 on: March 07, 2016, 12:10:31 am »

I didn't find it particularly townie, and I know some players tend to give read lists more often as scum since it's a good way to look like you're doing something while keeping the game state pretty much the same. Gkrieg broght up your reaction to my claim so I went back to go look at it. It definitely read a bit scummy. It seemed like you didn't want to draw attention to yourself with a questionable vote so wanted others to take the first step.

Hmm ok makes sense.
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« Reply #302 on: March 07, 2016, 05:52:22 am »

Vote Count 1.9

Haddock (2): Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus
Witherweaver (2): Hydrad, e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Hydrad (2): chairs, Axxle
Roadrunner7671 (1): Haddock
chairs (2): Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #303 on: March 07, 2016, 06:09:01 am »

Hmm.  I could maybe go for Hydrad, or MAYBE maybe gkrieg?  I don't think I like any of the other wagons much at all.  Thinking.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #304 on: March 07, 2016, 09:18:00 am »

I like the hydrad wagon. Can't say I care for any others much. Would also lynch awaclus.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #305 on: March 07, 2016, 10:27:23 am »

I'm fine with the Hydrad wagon

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #306 on: March 07, 2016, 10:29:09 am »

The people I would be happy lynching today probably goes something like:

RR=Hydrad > Axxle = PPS >> e.

RR and Hydrad have both done things that are either out of character or seem like forced versions of their character.  Obviously this is weak, but as a Day 1 thing I'm happy with it.

The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.  I think e is vaguely towny but I'm acutely aware that I can't read e at all, so he has to be a D1 option.

vote: Hydrad

PPE. huh.  OK, I'm alright with that.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #307 on: March 07, 2016, 11:13:11 am »

oh this is unfortunate.

and there isn't much I feel I can defend myself with.

I guess Ill say I'm still okay with the gkrieg lynch because of what axxle said but I'm confused as to why thats so scummy. For me day 1 is a shot in the dark most of the time. So getting something that has a protown benifit plus the chance that gkrieg is scum anyways seems like a good deal to me.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #308 on: March 07, 2016, 11:42:52 am »

I believe I addressed hydrad earlier today, with the conclusion that while he is ultimately scummy, we should wait until at least D2 to lynch him. He seems more like a solid D3 lynch though.

I think WW is the best target for today though.
1) He had gone far too long without being scum
2) I don't like his vote or reasoning behind gkrieg being scum.
3) lynching people is fun

Basically an airtight case
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #309 on: March 07, 2016, 12:06:55 pm »

The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.

I'm not sure if I can be any more clear than I already have:
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #310 on: March 07, 2016, 12:07:50 pm »

Here for a sec. Lots of homework right now. Should be back with some stuff to say tonight.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #311 on: March 07, 2016, 12:40:10 pm »

The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.

I'm not sure if I can be any more clear than I already have:
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
If this is supposed to mean something then maybe someone can enlighten me. 
If not, you just end up looking dangerously like Awaclus in Cupcake mafia, who continued insisting through the game that he was an IC, until he got lynched and flipped scum on the final day.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #312 on: March 07, 2016, 12:40:59 pm »

Also, e, I like your point 2 - maybe.  But 1 and 3, not so much.  And WW just feels right to me.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #313 on: March 07, 2016, 12:46:07 pm »

The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.

I'm not sure if I can be any more clear than I already have:
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
If this is supposed to mean something then maybe someone can enlighten me. 
If not, you just end up looking dangerously like Awaclus in Cupcake mafia, who continued insisting through the game that he was an IC, until he got lynched and flipped scum on the final day.

95% of what I post is pure good humor. I'm having fun. You, on the other hand have already had a coronary once this game.
The fact is, I've not done anything remotely scummy. I'm actually playing a very protown game there just isn't much to do this day which is as expected for RMM.
I am no Awaclus; he is consistently Awaclus and I am consistently PPS. I am well within my town meta.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #314 on: March 07, 2016, 12:51:45 pm »

The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.

I'm not sure if I can be any more clear than I already have:
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
If this is supposed to mean something then maybe someone can enlighten me. 
If not, you just end up looking dangerously like Awaclus in Cupcake mafia, who continued insisting through the game that he was an IC, until he got lynched and flipped scum on the final day.

95% of what I post is pure good humor. I'm having fun. You, on the other hand have already had a coronary once this game.
The fact is, I've not done anything remotely scummy. I'm actually playing a very protown game there just isn't much to do this day which is as expected for RMM.
I am no Awaclus; he is consistently Awaclus and I am consistently PPS. I am well within my town meta.
I love the implication that I'm somehow the most wiredup player on the forums or something.  I think I'm probably on the laid back end when it comes to mafia, but maybe people can correct me about that.  But noone likes being put to L-1 on D1.

My point is that I don't know if your last sentence is true - I'm not sufficiently familiar with your meta to judge.  That fact alone means that I wouldn't be massively opposed to your lynch, which is all I'm saying by including you on a would-lynch list.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #315 on: March 07, 2016, 01:12:39 pm »

The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.

I'm not sure if I can be any more clear than I already have:
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
If this is supposed to mean something then maybe someone can enlighten me. 
If not, you just end up looking dangerously like Awaclus in Cupcake mafia, who continued insisting through the game that he was an IC, until he got lynched and flipped scum on the final day.

95% of what I post is pure good humor. I'm having fun. You, on the other hand have already had a coronary once this game.
The fact is, I've not done anything remotely scummy. I'm actually playing a very protown game there just isn't much to do this day which is as expected for RMM.
I am no Awaclus; he is consistently Awaclus and I am consistently PPS. I am well within my town meta.
I love the implication that I'm somehow the most wiredup player on the forums or something.  I think I'm probably on the laid back end when it comes to mafia, but maybe people can correct me about that.  But noone likes being put to L-1 on D1.

My point is that I don't know if your last sentence is true - I'm not sufficiently familiar with your meta to judge.  That fact alone means that I wouldn't be massively opposed to your lynch, which is all I'm saying by including you on a would-lynch list.

If you are town and I am scum why did I not hammer you when you went L-1? You should know I love a hammer. You could argue that you weren't at L-1 long enough but I can assure you I was present for the entirety of that episode.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #316 on: March 07, 2016, 02:03:33 pm »

Oh one thing I can do is show you that I've done this read list in other games. Maybe that will help. I'm at work for a while but when I get home I'll try to link some games.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #317 on: March 07, 2016, 02:12:56 pm »


If you are town and I am scum why did I not hammer you when you went L-1? You should know I love a hammer. You could argue that you weren't at L-1 long enough but I can assure you I was present for the entirety of that episode.

"If I was scum why would I do X?" is a very uncompelling argument.  Like, the uncompellingest. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #318 on: March 07, 2016, 02:14:22 pm »


If you are town and I am scum why did I not hammer you when you went L-1? You should know I love a hammer. You could argue that you weren't at L-1 long enough but I can assure you I was present for the entirety of that episode.

"If I was scum why would I do X?" is a very uncompelling argument.  Like, the uncompellingest.

But the argument being made is about why I didn't do something which is moderately more compelling in my view.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #319 on: March 07, 2016, 02:16:12 pm »


If you are town and I am scum why did I not hammer you when you went L-1? You should know I love a hammer. You could argue that you weren't at L-1 long enough but I can assure you I was present for the entirety of that episode.

"If I was scum why would I do X?" is a very uncompelling argument.  Like, the uncompellingest.

But the argument being made is about why I didn't do something which is moderately more compelling in my view.

Those are equivalent by X <-> not X
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #320 on: March 07, 2016, 02:20:10 pm »

There's plenty of reasons why scum wouldn't want to hammer a wagon like haddocks
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #321 on: March 07, 2016, 02:21:19 pm »

There's plenty of reasons why scum wouldn't want to hammer a wagon like haddocks

Not for scum!PPS, there isn't.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #322 on: March 07, 2016, 02:25:04 pm »

There's plenty of reasons why scum wouldn't want to hammer a wagon like haddocks

Not for scum!PPS, there isn't.

But then this provides at least one.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #323 on: March 07, 2016, 03:09:32 pm »

Am I the ONLY one who understands PPS?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #324 on: March 07, 2016, 03:33:07 pm »

Am I the ONLY one who understands PPS?

Uh, if you are saying everyone else other than you thinks he is scum check the vote count
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #325 on: March 07, 2016, 06:02:07 pm »

If you are town and I am scum why did I not hammer you when you went L-1? You should know I love a hammer. You could argue that you weren't at L-1 long enough but I can assure you I was present for the entirety of that episode.
Otherwise have more than adequately answered this.

There's no need to act like I'm clamouring for yourows lynch. I'm not. You're an option,  is all.

More than anything I was trying to make the point that I'm not a fan of many of the existing votes.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #326 on: March 07, 2016, 06:02:53 pm »

Wow. Autocorrect.

*Others.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #327 on: March 07, 2016, 06:40:34 pm »

If you are town and I am scum why did I not hammer you when you went L-1? You should know I love a hammer. You could argue that you weren't at L-1 long enough but I can assure you I was present for the entirety of that episode.
There's no need to act like I'm clamouring for yourows lynch. I'm not. You're an option,  is all.

There's no reason to act as if I am acting this way... Unless you want to make me look scummy?

You said you can't read me so I am directly addressing you to give you reading material. So far you are just telling me that you are illiterate.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #328 on: March 07, 2016, 08:32:49 pm »

Vote Count 1.10

Haddock (2): Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus
Witherweaver (2): Hydrad, e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Hydrad (4): chairs, Axxle, gkrieg13, Haddock
chairs (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Mar 12, 6 PM forum time. That is in 4 days and 21+ hours.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #329 on: March 07, 2016, 08:46:05 pm »

PPS and Limetime, it would be nice if you put your votes somewhere.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #330 on: March 07, 2016, 08:49:41 pm »

PPS and Limetime, it would be nice if you put your votes somewhere.
*votes gkreig*
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #331 on: March 07, 2016, 08:55:23 pm »

Zzzzzzzz
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #332 on: March 07, 2016, 08:57:41 pm »

PPS and Limetime, it would be nice if you put your votes somewhere.
*votes gkreig*

I know I've been scummier than Not Voting this game, so it would be warranted
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #333 on: March 07, 2016, 09:06:57 pm »

Lets get some action going.
vote: hydrad
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #334 on: March 07, 2016, 09:47:03 pm »

Lets get some action going.
vote: hydrad

I like it.  I can sheep that.

vote: hydrad
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #335 on: March 07, 2016, 09:47:27 pm »

Zzzzzzzz

you can wake up now.  We have Hydrad at L-1
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #336 on: March 07, 2016, 09:48:54 pm »

Our second L-1 wagon in a single day!  It is amazing!  Everything we could have hoped for!

Now we just need some people to unvote then we will swoop in and lynch WW at deadline.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #337 on: March 07, 2016, 09:56:08 pm »

Zzzzzzzz

you can wake up now.  We have Hydrad at L-1

ehhhh?

so fast.

well this isn't good.

lets see if I can find my games where i did these early reads as maybe that will help me out? who knows
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #338 on: March 07, 2016, 10:02:24 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #339 on: March 07, 2016, 10:03:56 pm »

oh hey you found one!

theres this also but it doesn't have numbers.

I thought i should do one of these for some reason. not to much thought has gone into this but figured it can't hurt

1. mail-mi - forgot he was here actually. null
2. Ichimaru Gin - don't remember to much from him either - null
3. Witherweaver - can't remember to much either - null
4. EgorK - wow null again is this just me? i guess 17 people is a bunch
5. 2.7 - hey i remember him! slight town
6. silverspawn - seems town
7. Hydrad - IC
8. Faust - town
9. Chairs - town
10. Ghacob - slight scum
11. hockeysemian - scum
12. Seprix - medium scum (i don't fully know why for this one. I'll probably have to reread him again to understand that one)
13. TwistedArcher - don't remember much null
14. XerxesPraelor - i remember XP buuut still null
15. gkrieg13 - slight town (not because of day1 pass)
16. EFHW - towny
17. UmbrageOfSnow - towny

hmm thats a bunch of nulls. I'm not sure if thats because I havn't been putting a super ton of time into this game or what but i should try to fix that.

(I don't know how to shorten the link I'm bad...)
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #340 on: March 07, 2016, 10:04:49 pm »

But at this point I'm thinking of just claiming as I'm not even sure if my posting these read  things will even help. I'm pretty sure there is at least 1 more out there and maybe even 2 reads like this. But they might be really far back and I'm having trouble finding them.
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« Reply #341 on: March 07, 2016, 10:05:02 pm »

Plus in that one you didn't post it till much later in the game and had much more developed reads.

Ppex2: I'll take a look at that one too.
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« Reply #342 on: March 07, 2016, 10:09:44 pm »

oh this ones a POE kinda thing I guess

woo POE

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2. Hydrad
3. chairs
4. EgorK
5. Ichimaru Gin
6. Witherweaver
7. silverspawn
8. ashersky
9. hockeysemlan
10. Ghacob
11. A Drowned Kernel
12. Awaclus
13. Lekkit
14. Delirious Deleuze
15. mail-mi

Hmm I kinda did this on a whim but I think this is where I stand right now.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #343 on: March 07, 2016, 10:11:25 pm »

So....these lists prove that this is something you do as town.  Which you want to replicate as scum...
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #344 on: March 07, 2016, 10:12:24 pm »

I don't feel Hydrad here.

I'm not sure what e gunning for me means.  On one hand, it's more town of him than not.  On the other hand, he just did the same thing as town against Silverspawn, so it could be in his mind to imitate. 

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« Reply #345 on: March 07, 2016, 10:16:16 pm »

So....these lists prove that this is something you do as town.  Which you want to replicate as scum...

ahha actually the second one I linked I think I was scum. So ya I dunno thats why I'm thinking of just claiming because I don't feel like these are helping me much.
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« Reply #346 on: March 07, 2016, 10:16:40 pm »

So....these lists prove that this is something you do as town.  Which you want to replicate as scum...

ahha actually the second one I linked I think I was scum. So ya I dunno thats why I'm thinking of just claiming because I don't feel like these are helping me much.

err first one I linked. 2nd one in the thread since axxle beat me to one
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« Reply #347 on: March 07, 2016, 10:19:07 pm »

There is some PoE to it....

Awaclus - who doesn't enjoy lynching Awaclus?
gkrieg13 - people seem to be voting for him for some reason.  Oh yeah, thats right.  Because he did something townie.  Like defend someone from getting unjustly lynched.
Hydrad - always an option
Roadrunner7671 - meh.  Not getting a vibe here.  Could be scum, but with RR the vibes will come.  Or we can just lynch him.
pingpongsam - Town.  'nuff said
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Witherweaver - totes scum
Ichimaru Gin - Not lynching today
chairs - I never know what to do with chairs.
Haddock - After the wagon and everything....yeah.  I do think he was townie here.  Although a wagon not pushing through could be scum not wanting to hammer a partner D1.  But anyway, I am good saving Haddock for later.
Limetime - Not lynching today
Axxle - hmmmm.....Axxle....
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« Reply #348 on: March 07, 2016, 10:21:37 pm »

So then I have remaining:

Awaclus
Hydrad
Roadrunner7671
Witherweaver
chairs
Axxle

And I think WW stands out.  The whole "gkrieg looked like he was white knighting haddock"

Well, you only know that if you know Haddock is town.  Because it is not white knighting if Haddock is scum.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #349 on: March 07, 2016, 10:24:37 pm »

So then I have remaining:

Awaclus
Hydrad
Roadrunner7671
Witherweaver
chairs
Axxle

And I think WW stands out.  The whole "gkrieg looked like he was white knighting haddock"

Well, you only know that if you know Haddock is town.  Because it is not white knighting if Haddock is scum.

But Haddock looked more town.  Ergo, Gkrieg looks more scum.  It feels like you're fishing.
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« Reply #350 on: March 07, 2016, 10:27:33 pm »

So then I have remaining:

Awaclus
Hydrad
Roadrunner7671
Witherweaver
chairs
Axxle

And I think WW stands out.  The whole "gkrieg looked like he was white knighting haddock"

Well, you only know that if you know Haddock is town.  Because it is not white knighting if Haddock is scum.

But Haddock looked more town.  Ergo, Gkrieg looks more scum.  It feels like you're fishing.

Its D1.  Of course I am fishing.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #351 on: March 07, 2016, 10:28:14 pm »

And guess what happened last time I went fishing D1 (you know, M75).

We lynched scum
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #352 on: March 07, 2016, 10:35:17 pm »

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« Reply #353 on: March 07, 2016, 10:59:46 pm »

And guess what happened last time I went fishing D1 (you know, M75).

We lynched scum

Oh.   Foolproof argument.  Proceed then.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #354 on: March 08, 2016, 11:47:54 am »

Man, this is dead today.
I'm as much to blame as anyone, been crazy busy.  Might be able to contribute tonight.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #355 on: March 08, 2016, 12:40:26 pm »

The longer hydrad just exists at L-1 the more I like it
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #356 on: March 08, 2016, 12:48:48 pm »

There is some PoE to it....

Awaclus - who doesn't enjoy lynching Awaclus?

Me.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #357 on: March 08, 2016, 01:00:10 pm »

There is some PoE to it....

Awaclus - who doesn't enjoy lynching Awaclus?

Me.

Have you ever tried it?
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« Reply #358 on: March 08, 2016, 01:04:20 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #359 on: March 08, 2016, 01:59:51 pm »

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« Reply #360 on: March 08, 2016, 02:04:12 pm »

Vote Count 1.11

Haddock (2): Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (6): chairs, Axxle, gkrieg13, Haddock, Limetime, e {L-1}
chairs (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Witherweaver

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Mar 12, 6 PM forum time. That is in 4 days and 3+ hours.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #361 on: March 08, 2016, 03:34:04 pm »

Kazaa > Limewire.

Day 1 pass for Axxle!
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #362 on: March 08, 2016, 03:37:37 pm »

Hmm.

unvote

This is scummy.  Votes Awaclus for a somewhat forced case that has little to do with alignment, unvotes after Awaclus explains himself.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #363 on: March 08, 2016, 03:40:55 pm »

Vote: Haddock

Awaclus putting Haddock at L-1.  This is alignment agnostic for Awaclus.  People end up unvoting or moving votes. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #364 on: March 08, 2016, 03:41:58 pm »

I'm fine with the Hydrad wagon

vote: Hydrad

Why?

You just said he was town:

Well right now I have a town-read on Hydrad and PPS and Haddock.  Scum on chairs.  slight scum on RR.  Null everyone else.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #365 on: March 08, 2016, 03:43:14 pm »

oh this is unfortunate.

and there isn't much I feel I can defend myself with.

I guess Ill say I'm still okay with the gkrieg lynch because of what axxle said but I'm confused as to why thats so scummy. For me day 1 is a shot in the dark most of the time. So getting something that has a protown benifit plus the chance that gkrieg is scum anyways seems like a good deal to me.

Hydrad has been acting more the same as both town and scum lately, so it's hard for me to tell.  But I think this is town!Hydrad that knows he gets lynched a lot.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #366 on: March 08, 2016, 03:44:02 pm »

Hmm.

unvote

This is scummy.  Votes Awaclus for a somewhat forced case that has little to do with alignment, unvotes after Awaclus explains himself.
Or, y'know, I realised I was overreacting to some shit Awaclus did.

That IS weird from gkrieg....
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #367 on: March 08, 2016, 03:44:09 pm »

The people I would be happy lynching today probably goes something like:

RR=Hydrad > Axxle = PPS >> e.

RR and Hydrad have both done things that are either out of character or seem like forced versions of their character.  Obviously this is weak, but as a Day 1 thing I'm happy with it.

The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.  I think e is vaguely towny but I'm acutely aware that I can't read e at all, so he has to be a D1 option.

vote: Hydrad

PPE. huh.  OK, I'm alright with that.

I don't like this, putting easiest mislynches as scummiest reads.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #368 on: March 08, 2016, 03:46:17 pm »

Hmm.

unvote

This is scummy.  Votes Awaclus for a somewhat forced case that has little to do with alignment, unvotes after Awaclus explains himself.
Or, y'know, I realised I was overreacting to some shit Awaclus did.

That IS weird from gkrieg....

Why does what you think Awaclus did indicate that he was scum?  Okay, fine, your argument was that he was acting out of character.  Good enough reason for an early day 1 vote.  Bigger point is, why did you feel the need to unvote?  Awaclus' explanation doesn't seem to point towards alignment one way or the other.  So to me it feels like it was a forced read.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #369 on: March 08, 2016, 03:48:44 pm »

Well, I think I found (some of) what I was fishing for.

Vote: Axxle
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #370 on: March 08, 2016, 03:49:42 pm »

The people I would be happy lynching today probably goes something like:

RR=Hydrad > Axxle = PPS >> e.

RR and Hydrad have both done things that are either out of character or seem like forced versions of their character.  Obviously this is weak, but as a Day 1 thing I'm happy with it.

The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.  I think e is vaguely towny but I'm acutely aware that I can't read e at all, so he has to be a D1 option.

vote: Hydrad

PPE. huh.  OK, I'm alright with that.

I don't like this, putting easiest mislynches as scummiest reads.
Those are my reads, what can I tell you.
I'd hope you'd give me more credit than to think scum!me goes for something as transparent as that.

Hmm.

unvote

This is scummy.  Votes Awaclus for a somewhat forced case that has little to do with alignment, unvotes after Awaclus explains himself.
Or, y'know, I realised I was overreacting to some shit Awaclus did.

That IS weird from gkrieg....

Why does what you think Awaclus did indicate that he was scum?  Okay, fine, your argument was that he was acting out of character.  Good enough reason for an early day 1 vote.  Bigger point is, why did you feel the need to unvote?  Awaclus' explanation doesn't seem to point towards alignment one way or the other.  So to me it feels like it was a forced read.
His response wasn't alignment neutral.  If it's true that he is a fan of that `joke' and likes to use it, it means that his making that joke is not out of character after all.  And lying about something like that, well, maybe, but somehow I don't see it.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #371 on: March 08, 2016, 03:54:48 pm »

His response wasn't alignment neutral.  If it's true that he is a fan of that `joke' and likes to use it, it means that his making that joke is not out of character after all.  And lying about something like that, well, maybe, but somehow I don't see it.

Not sure if I'm correctly explaining my issue with it.. basically, it wasn't a great reason to vote in the first place, so the annulment isn't a great reason to unvote.  That you felt the need to unvote maybe indicates that you thought you would end up looking worse if you were to push this. 

At any rate, I'm not building a case here, just pointing out things as I see them.  Your reaction when almost getting quicklynched looked town, and some of these things mitigate that some, but I'm still on the null-townish side.
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« Reply #372 on: March 08, 2016, 03:55:28 pm »

I want to vote someone on the Hydrad wagon, but I'm not sure whom.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #373 on: March 08, 2016, 03:56:05 pm »

I want to vote someone on the Hydrad wagon, but I'm not sure whom.

Axxle
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #374 on: March 08, 2016, 03:58:43 pm »

I want to vote someone on the Hydrad wagon, but I'm not sure whom.

Axxle
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #375 on: March 08, 2016, 04:00:57 pm »

I want to vote someone on the Hydrad wagon, but I'm not sure whom.

Axxle

But:

Kazaa > Limewire.

Day 1 pass for Axxle!

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« Reply #376 on: March 08, 2016, 04:03:29 pm »

True. Can't go back on a D1 pass. 

@haddock: I just feel like his hydrad vote is a bit lazy, and is just content to sit on it and ride it out to a lynch.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #377 on: March 08, 2016, 04:09:54 pm »

True. Can't go back on a D1 pass. 

@haddock: I just feel like his hydrad vote is a bit lazy, and is just content to sit on it and ride it out to a lynch.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #378 on: March 08, 2016, 06:44:13 pm »

I'll go

Vote: chairs for now.

although axxle is an interesting choice.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #379 on: March 08, 2016, 08:13:13 pm »

Ok. Pretty much caught up. unvote for now.
Haddock's interactions with PPS look more townie to me.

And...Hydrad has been at L-1 for a while now. I maybe have the worst record of reading him. I'm not sure if I missed the case on him though?

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #380 on: March 08, 2016, 08:22:22 pm »

Ok. Pretty much caught up. unvote for now.
Haddock's interactions with PPS look more townie to me.

And...Hydrad has been at L-1 for a while now. I maybe have the worst record of reading him. I'm not sure if I missed the case on him though?

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #381 on: March 08, 2016, 08:24:11 pm »

Ok. Pretty much caught up. unvote for now.
Haddock's interactions with PPS look more townie to me.

And...Hydrad has been at L-1 for a while now. I maybe have the worst record of reading him. I'm not sure if I missed the case on him though?

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #382 on: March 08, 2016, 10:49:56 pm »

The following people have not posted since I dropped the mic on WW:

pingpongsam
chairs
Limetime
Axxle

I mean, I didn't mean to end discussion.  Plus I wasn't even voting WW.  We were just having a friendly discussion on why he is scum.  And now I am thoroughly convinced he is town.  Simple as that.  Bam.

But really.  You guys should post.  Thoughts.  I would settle for just words.  Incoherently formed sentences.  Something.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #383 on: March 08, 2016, 10:51:20 pm »

igyudsa53ya475o8r5t6tguohlin
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #384 on: March 08, 2016, 10:51:57 pm »

And I get it.  Closed setup....D1....it is really hard to get into.  But lets do something.  Like lynch Axxle (WW is excused from that)
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #385 on: March 08, 2016, 10:52:21 pm »

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you weren't on my list.  You have to have coherent sentences.
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« Reply #386 on: March 08, 2016, 10:59:45 pm »

Am I a monkey
American Idol and money
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« Reply #387 on: March 08, 2016, 11:01:45 pm »

I just don't have anything to say, and cluttering the thread is bad for the reread
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« Reply #388 on: March 08, 2016, 11:02:59 pm »

I guess I've developed some town reads but those are vastly more uninteresting than potential scumreads
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« Reply #389 on: March 08, 2016, 11:03:28 pm »

So, Axxle.  Why do you think a Hydrad hammer never happened?

Do you think Hydrad is still scum?
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« Reply #390 on: March 08, 2016, 11:04:13 pm »

Limetime:  You voted Hydrad.  Because you thought he was scum or because lynching people is fun and you have never done that before?
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« Reply #391 on: March 08, 2016, 11:07:03 pm »

Limetime:  You voted Hydrad.  Because you thought he was scum or because lynching people is fun and you have never done that before?
Well every one else was doing it so there most be a reason why. More importantly I want to move on with the game and not get into a stalemate.
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« Reply #392 on: March 08, 2016, 11:10:29 pm »

Limetime:  You voted Hydrad.  Because you thought he was scum or because lynching people is fun and you have never done that before?
Well every one else was doing it so there most be a reason why. More importantly I want to move on with the game and not get into a stalemate.

Perfect.  Keeping the game moving is a townie thing to do.  Doing what everyone else is doing is a form of hiding your true thoughts, and therefore can be conjured up as being scummy. 

balance those out, and I think the moving the game forward is townie wins out.
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« Reply #393 on: March 08, 2016, 11:12:20 pm »

So, Axxle.  Why do you think a Hydrad hammer never happened?

Do you think Hydrad is still scum?
Because he's distinctly null this game. The town off the wagon doesn't really want to lynch people they don't have scumreads on. I'm fine with lynching anyone I don't have a town read on, as long as I don't have a strong scumread. I'm sure some other town on the wagon feel the same way.

This is also the type of wagon that scum would hate to have to hammer. Either they're getting rid of a teammate, which reduces their power. While the WIFOM of if they would actually hammer might normally help those scum, RRM makes any loss on both sides super swingy.

Scum would also want to avoid the hammer if Hydrad is town, because they'd probably be the ones looked at most critically and targeted by town power.
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« Reply #394 on: March 08, 2016, 11:17:48 pm »

you know what.

vote: Hydrad
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« Reply #395 on: March 08, 2016, 11:18:16 pm »

you know what.

vote: Hydrad
Is that L-1?
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« Reply #396 on: March 08, 2016, 11:18:37 pm »

Or the hammer?

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« Reply #397 on: March 08, 2016, 11:18:42 pm »

No, I just don't like that.

Vote....er....unvote
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« Reply #398 on: March 08, 2016, 11:18:59 pm »

It was L-1.  But no more.
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« Reply #399 on: March 08, 2016, 11:19:20 pm »

It was L-1.  But no more.
Vote: Hydrad
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« Reply #400 on: March 08, 2016, 11:19:33 pm »

We're going to be aggressive!
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« Reply #401 on: March 08, 2016, 11:21:54 pm »

We're going to be aggressive!

Good for you.

Hydrad sat there for such a long time.  No claim.  That has to mean something.
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« Reply #402 on: March 08, 2016, 11:22:16 pm »

Vote Count 1.12

Haddock (1): Awaclus
Hydrad (6): chairs, Axxle, gkrieg13, Haddock, Limetime, Roadrunner7671 {L-1}
chairs (1): Hydrad

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« Reply #403 on: March 08, 2016, 11:22:56 pm »

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« Reply #404 on: March 08, 2016, 11:23:17 pm »

I thought you were being aggressive?
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« Reply #405 on: March 08, 2016, 11:23:22 pm »

We're going to be aggressive!

Good for you.

Hydrad sat there for such a long time.  No claim.  That has to mean something.
I mean I wouldn't claim without intent either.
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« Reply #406 on: March 08, 2016, 11:24:12 pm »

I thought you were being aggressive?
I'm going to hammer instead.
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« Reply #407 on: March 08, 2016, 11:26:51 pm »

vote: RR
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« Reply #408 on: March 08, 2016, 11:27:00 pm »

lets do this thing.
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« Reply #409 on: March 08, 2016, 11:28:41 pm »

lets do this thing.
'This thing' has a name  :'(
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« Reply #410 on: March 08, 2016, 11:29:59 pm »

vote: rr
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« Reply #411 on: March 08, 2016, 11:30:23 pm »

Play to a town wincon, not an RR one.
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« Reply #412 on: March 08, 2016, 11:30:56 pm »

Vote Count 1.13

Haddock (1): Awaclus
Hydrad (4): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Limetime
Roadrunner7671 (2): e, Axxle
chairs (1): Hydrad

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« Reply #413 on: March 08, 2016, 11:31:09 pm »

Great. Seeing as I have interests in survival, we'll reVote: Hydrad
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« Reply #414 on: March 08, 2016, 11:31:30 pm »

Play to a town wincon, not an RR one.
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« Reply #415 on: March 08, 2016, 11:31:40 pm »

lets do this thing.
'This thing' has a name  :'(
Yeah. A wagon.

I'm kinda swamped right now, but I'm around a bit for tonight. I'll have little to no time again until Friday afternoon.

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« Reply #416 on: March 08, 2016, 11:34:22 pm »

Great. Seeing as I have interests in survival, we'll reVote: Hydrad
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you were at 2 people voting you?

Vote: RR

I feel like thats a scum thing where the get more scared from wagons then town.
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« Reply #417 on: March 08, 2016, 11:35:19 pm »

Great. Seeing as I have interests in survival, we'll reVote: Hydrad
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you were at 2 people voting you?

Vote: RR

I feel like thats a scum thing where the get more scared from wagons then town.
I feel like RR gets scared of wagons.

But it's not two votes: Axxel and 2.7 are town leaders. Also, I'm the easiest lynch ever.
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« Reply #418 on: March 08, 2016, 11:36:22 pm »

But really.  Do a quick ctrl+f for "goko username: Asher H" (at least that is what I always use when I search for people to do post counts, rereads, etc)

Read his posts.  Not much there.  Sure, RR is jokey and normal and blah, blah, blah.  What has he contributed?  He tried to get Hydrad to claim.  He has done that. 
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« Reply #419 on: March 08, 2016, 11:37:37 pm »

Play to a town wincon, not an RR one.
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Wanting to hammer this bad seems to come from bored/trolling scum than town
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« Reply #420 on: March 08, 2016, 11:38:08 pm »

But really.  Do a quick ctrl+f for "goko username: Asher H" (at least that is what I always use when I search for people to do post counts, rereads, etc)

Read his posts.  Not much there.  Sure, RR is jokey and normal and blah, blah, blah.  What has he contributed?  He tried to get Hydrad to claim.  He has done that.
Man, it's D1.

Search for anyone and tell me they've done something.
Also, unvote. My win condition is for the town to win, not for me to survive. Hydrad's survival increases our chances more than my survival does.
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« Reply #421 on: March 08, 2016, 11:40:29 pm »

What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?
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« Reply #422 on: March 08, 2016, 11:40:59 pm »

What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?
Ping pong world champion
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« Reply #423 on: March 08, 2016, 11:41:06 pm »

What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?
Triple posting is scummy, but I want to point out that this is relevent to the game.
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« Reply #424 on: March 08, 2016, 11:41:39 pm »

What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?
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« Reply #425 on: March 08, 2016, 11:41:54 pm »

What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?

I don't believe this question belongs in a mafia game
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« Reply #426 on: March 08, 2016, 11:42:43 pm »

What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?

I don't believe this question belongs in a mafia game
Reply #423 is a thing.
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« Reply #427 on: March 08, 2016, 11:43:40 pm »

What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?

I don't believe this question belongs in a mafia game
Reply #423 is a thing.

And I disagree with you.
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« Reply #428 on: March 08, 2016, 11:45:25 pm »

Yeah. I agree with e.
Best to keep personal info/questions out of things.

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« Reply #429 on: March 08, 2016, 11:45:52 pm »

Yeah. I agree with e.
Best to keep personal info/questions out of things.
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« Reply #430 on: March 08, 2016, 11:45:59 pm »

Yeah. I agree with e.
Best to keep personal info/questions out of things.
That's fair.
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« Reply #431 on: March 08, 2016, 11:48:35 pm »

2.7, I have a question: Did you have to do anything besides /confirm in your QT?
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« Reply #432 on: March 08, 2016, 11:49:47 pm »

2.7, I have a question: Did you have to do anything besides /confirm in your QT?

read the setup
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2.7, I have a question: Did you have to do anything besides /confirm in your QT?

read the setup
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2.7, I have a question: Did you have to do anything besides /confirm in your QT?

read the setup
Is that a 'you can't tell me?'

Tell me what you are trying to get me to answer to catch me as scum, then I will be sure to answer it for you.
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« Reply #435 on: March 08, 2016, 11:56:17 pm »

2.7, I have a question: Did you have to do anything besides /confirm in your QT?

read the setup
Is that a 'you can't tell me?'

Tell me what you are trying to get me to answer to catch me as scum, then I will be sure to answer it for you.
I've told you as much as I can/will.

Are you a Miller or a Tree Stump?
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« Reply #436 on: March 08, 2016, 11:57:22 pm »

Vote: RR
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« Reply #437 on: March 08, 2016, 11:58:31 pm »

vote: RR

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« Reply #438 on: March 08, 2016, 11:59:29 pm »

L-2, right?
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« Reply #439 on: March 08, 2016, 11:59:34 pm »

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« Reply #440 on: March 09, 2016, 12:00:12 am »

We're going to do a partial claim: My role is not of MafiaScum and is presumably invented by the mod himself.
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« Reply #441 on: March 09, 2016, 12:03:19 am »

We're going to do a partial claim: My role is not of MafiaScum and is presumably invented by the mod himself.
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You use the royal "we" now?

Are you a Miller or a Tree Stump?

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« Reply #442 on: March 09, 2016, 12:11:25 am »

This is not a softclaim
Why are Survivors 'premium lynch targets?' They can basically be a townie.
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« Reply #443 on: March 09, 2016, 12:15:25 am »

Um. I'm not sure that that's even the case.
At least in one game faust claimed survivor and he was allowed to live before he betrayed us all to the scum  :'(

As to why survivor's are prime lynch targets. If they are allowed to live and the balance of the game shifts, they'll just side with scum.

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« Reply #444 on: March 09, 2016, 12:16:27 am »

Um. I'm not sure that that's even the case.
At least in one game faust claimed survivor and he was allowed to live before he betrayed us all to the scum  :'(

As to why survivor's are prime lynch targets. If they are allowed to live and the balance of the game shifts, they'll just side with scum.
I wouldn't. But that makes sense.

Survivor is the best role.
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« Reply #445 on: March 09, 2016, 12:18:08 am »

This is not a softclaim
Why are Survivors 'premium lynch targets?' They can basically be a townie.
Lynching third parties doesn't hurt town all too much (although it's still a wasted lynch)  and it's a decent fakeclaim for scum since it explains why their actions are scummy.
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« Reply #446 on: March 09, 2016, 12:18:57 am »

Hahahahahahaha I thought "this is not a soft claim" meant he was hard claiming for a second...
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« Reply #447 on: March 09, 2016, 12:19:24 am »

Um. I'm not sure that that's even the case.
At least in one game faust claimed survivor and he was allowed to live before he betrayed us all to the scum  :'(

As to why survivor's are prime lynch targets. If they are allowed to live and the balance of the game shifts, they'll just side with scum.
I wouldn't. But that makes sense.

You say that now.....
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« Reply #448 on: March 09, 2016, 12:20:14 am »

Um. I'm not sure that that's even the case.
At least in one game faust claimed survivor and he was allowed to live before he betrayed us all to the scum  :'(

As to why survivor's are prime lynch targets. If they are allowed to live and the balance of the game shifts, they'll just side with scum.
I wouldn't. But that makes sense.

You say that now.....
I know what they say: 'RR's weird.' 'RR's insane.' What makes you think I would?
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« Reply #449 on: March 09, 2016, 12:20:42 am »

Isn't it super obvious that RR is looking for a fakeclaim right now?
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« Reply #450 on: March 09, 2016, 12:21:20 am »

Isn't it super obvious that RR is looking for a fakeclaim right now?
I'm just making small talk!
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« Reply #451 on: March 09, 2016, 12:22:25 am »

Um. I'm not sure that that's even the case.
At least in one game faust claimed survivor and he was allowed to live before he betrayed us all to the scum  :'(

As to why survivor's are prime lynch targets. If they are allowed to live and the balance of the game shifts, they'll just side with scum.
I wouldn't. But that makes sense.

You say that now.....
I know what they say: 'RR's weird.' 'RR's insane.' What makes you think I would?
You want to win, right?
It makes sense to do whatever it takes to make that happen, including siding with scum.
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« Reply #452 on: March 09, 2016, 12:22:46 am »

Hahahahahahaha I thought "this is not a soft claim" meant he was hard claiming for a second...

He is basically claiming survivor.  I remember this one RMM game where I had a really awesome 3rd party role.  *sigh*
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« Reply #453 on: March 09, 2016, 12:25:34 am »

Um. I'm not sure that that's even the case.
At least in one game faust claimed survivor and he was allowed to live before he betrayed us all to the scum  :'(

As to why survivor's are prime lynch targets. If they are allowed to live and the balance of the game shifts, they'll just side with scum.
I wouldn't. But that makes sense.

You say that now.....
I know what they say: 'RR's weird.' 'RR's insane.' What makes you think I would?
You want to win, right?
It makes sense to do whatever it takes to make that happen, including siding with scum.
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« Reply #454 on: March 09, 2016, 12:26:02 am »

This is not a softclaim
Why are Survivors 'premium lynch targets?' They can basically be a townie.

They can, but they can also not be a townie. A survivor with a clear survivor narrative can be worth keeping around when town is already doing pretty well, but if town is losing, then survivors pretty much need to be lynched because otherwise they're just going to be extra members for the scum team at LyLo.
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« Reply #455 on: March 09, 2016, 12:27:24 am »

So.  RR.  What benefit do you provide town, and what benefit do you provide scum?

I would love you to full claim at this point
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« Reply #456 on: March 09, 2016, 12:28:15 am »

So.  RR.  What benefit do you provide town, and what benefit do you provide scum?

I would love you to full claim at this point
Are you assuming I'm a Survivor? Because that is unfair.
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« Reply #457 on: March 09, 2016, 12:29:05 am »

Oh, so you aren't a survivor, you just know for a fact that one exists?
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« Reply #458 on: March 09, 2016, 12:29:44 am »

So.  RR.  What benefit do you provide town, and what benefit do you provide scum?

I would love you to full claim at this point
Are you assuming I'm a Survivor? Because that is unfair.

It's completely fair to assume that you're a survivor until you can show compelling evidence that you're town.
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« Reply #459 on: March 09, 2016, 12:30:22 am »

Oh, so you aren't a survivor, you just know for a fact that one exists?
I'm not going to fullclaim, but I am an investigory role. I can make ICs and catch scum.
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« Reply #460 on: March 09, 2016, 12:31:03 am »

Oh, so you aren't a survivor, you just know for a fact that one exists?
I'm not going to fullclaim, but I am an investigory role. I can make ICs and catch scum.
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« Reply #461 on: March 09, 2016, 12:32:49 am »

I also just painted a huge target on my back, so why lynch me? I'm likely to die tonight.
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« Reply #462 on: March 09, 2016, 12:34:24 am »

If you're not convinced I have another thing that I don't want to say but I would be willing to in order to stay alive. It's better if I don't have to say it though.
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« Reply #463 on: March 09, 2016, 12:36:49 am »

I'm sorry for spamming the chat, but my good ideas don't all come at once:

Scum also has to decide: will I really stay town aligned? So why not keep me around and kill town leaders instead?
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« Reply #464 on: March 09, 2016, 12:37:22 am »

I'm even willing to let people vote on who I investigate.

I'd actually rather have that than me choosing.
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« Reply #465 on: March 09, 2016, 12:38:26 am »

Scum also has to decide: will I really stay town aligned? So why not keep me around and kill town leaders instead?
I love this part.

I don't know man...

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« Reply #466 on: March 09, 2016, 12:39:13 am »

So what are you, a survivor that can also investigate people?

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« Reply #467 on: March 09, 2016, 12:39:34 am »

So what are you, a survivor that can also investigate people?
In a sense, yes.
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« Reply #468 on: March 09, 2016, 12:40:15 am »

Do you hate your role?
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« Reply #469 on: March 09, 2016, 12:40:50 am »

If I get to L-1, do not lynch me before I get to say some last words about my role. It's super important.
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« Reply #470 on: March 09, 2016, 12:41:44 am »

Do you hate your role?
No, actually. I like the loner type thing. I can't let anyone down, and it's just fun. I don't know man, I'm giddy.

It's like being high on life.
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« Reply #471 on: March 09, 2016, 12:41:57 am »

I'd actually rather have that than me choosing.

No, no, no.  Directing PRs is no good.  (IMHO)
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« Reply #472 on: March 09, 2016, 12:44:08 am »

I'd actually rather have that than me choosing.

No, no, no.  Directing PRs is no good.  (IMHO)
Why not? You think I'll make a better choice than the town?
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« Reply #473 on: March 09, 2016, 12:46:10 am »

I'd actually rather have that than me choosing.

No, no, no.  Directing PRs is no good.  (IMHO)
Why not? You think I'll make a better choice than the town?
Scum often times can take countermeasures if you say beforehand who you're targeting.
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« Reply #474 on: March 09, 2016, 12:47:13 am »

I just want to double check-> We're through with the idea that RR is Mafia, right?

I'm aware of how scummy that sounds but I'd prefer not to get lynched by the town that I've given my soul to.

My cards are pretty much on the table.
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« Reply #475 on: March 09, 2016, 12:47:34 am »

I'd actually rather have that than me choosing.

No, no, no.  Directing PRs is no good.  (IMHO)
Why not? You think I'll make a better choice than the town?
Scum often times can take countermeasures if you say beforehand who you're targeting.
That's an excellent point.
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« Reply #476 on: March 09, 2016, 12:50:23 am »

In other news, I am willing to let the survivor live past D1.

Vote: chairs

As good a place as any to sit my vote on.
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« Reply #477 on: March 09, 2016, 12:50:47 am »

Uh. Except for the part where you appeal to scum not to kill you because you might join them.
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« Reply #478 on: March 09, 2016, 12:52:44 am »

I just want to double check-> We're through with the idea that RR is Mafia, right?

Well, considering that this was more or less exactly what I was claiming in Buffy/Angel (as a member of a 3rd party team with a scum win condition but no NK), no.
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« Reply #479 on: March 09, 2016, 12:53:26 am »

I need to juggle my priorities. Right now scum has little reason not to night kill me. But I'll give scum reasons. This is not to offend town, I'm just trying to cover all my bases.
1. You guys know I'm a cop, you can block me.
2. There is the possibility that I could investigate scum and say you're town. I'm obviously more likely to do that if I live.
3. I'm not interfering with your win condition.
Kill someone else please!
To the town:
1. You're winning! Why would I help scum?
2. I'm on thin ice and everyone knows it.
3. I'm not interfering with your win condition. Just say the word and I'll stop voting and stuff.
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« Reply #480 on: March 09, 2016, 12:56:04 am »

I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.

You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.

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« Reply #481 on: March 09, 2016, 12:57:15 am »

I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.

You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
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« Reply #482 on: March 09, 2016, 12:57:56 am »

I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.

You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
This is just a WIFOM safety net though. I had no plan. I'm really struggling.
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« Reply #483 on: March 09, 2016, 12:58:11 am »

I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.

You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?

We don't know.
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« Reply #484 on: March 09, 2016, 12:58:46 am »

I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.

You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
By the time you are thinking about defecting to scum, it would probably be dangerous to spend a lynch on you.

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« Reply #485 on: March 09, 2016, 12:59:24 am »

I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.

You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?

We don't know.
Isn't it an unwritten rule that town should be able to survive three mislynches?
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« Reply #486 on: March 09, 2016, 01:00:34 am »

I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.

You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
By the time you are thinking about defecting to scum, it would probably be dangerous to spend a lynch on you.
I don't understand how I could defect though. I can't communicate with scum. They're gonna kill me tonight or sometime soon anyway.

At least I get to go out with a bang.

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« Reply #487 on: March 09, 2016, 01:04:10 am »

I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.

You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
By the time you are thinking about defecting to scum, it would probably be dangerous to spend a lynch on you.
I don't understand how I could defect though. I can't communicate with scum. They're gonna kill me tonight or sometime soon anyway.

At least I get to go out with a bang.
No way to know if you can communicate with scum. Maybe scum can communicate with you.
The point is that you are at a best fair-weather town.

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« Reply #488 on: March 09, 2016, 01:04:40 am »

The other problem is that if I get 'No Result,' I mighy get lynched because people will be mad.

But it boils down to the fact that I cause no harm to Mafia or Town and lynching me hurts both of your factions.
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« Reply #489 on: March 09, 2016, 01:05:34 am »

I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.

You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
By the time you are thinking about defecting to scum, it would probably be dangerous to spend a lynch on you.
I don't understand how I could defect though. I can't communicate with scum. They're gonna kill me tonight or sometime soon anyway.

At least I get to go out with a bang.
No way to know if you can communicate with scum. Maybe scum can communicate with you.
The point is that you are at a best fair-weather town.
Even in games where I'm actually town, I'm fair weather town.

Now I have to try extra hard to be towny though, I can see myself getting policy lynched.
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« Reply #490 on: March 09, 2016, 01:08:13 am »

I love how everything you say is directed to both town and scum.
That's just the way being a survivor is though. It's also the main problem.

I'm not jet-set on lynching you today yet. I think I believe your claim though.

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« Reply #491 on: March 09, 2016, 01:09:08 am »

I love how everything you say is directed to both town and scum.
That's just the way being a survivor is though. It's also the main problem.

I'm not jet-set on lynching you today yet. I think I believe your claim though.
I can't talk freely.

I haven't even claimed.
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« Reply #493 on: March 09, 2016, 01:11:33 am »

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« Reply #494 on: March 09, 2016, 01:19:29 am »

I'm going to sleep, if you don't want to lynch me, unvote. People might come on at 4 AM Forum Time for the quickhammer.
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« Reply #495 on: March 09, 2016, 01:22:33 am »

Well. I won't be back for a while.
Guess I'll unvote. Still got a few days left.

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« Reply #496 on: March 09, 2016, 04:24:22 am »

Wow.  Lots going on while I was asleep.
I'll need to catch up on things. 
But my first thought from skimming RR's posts is that his frustration seems genuine.  Obviously a full claim would be helpful for us to make a decision, but I'm willing to believe he's not outright scum, at least.

Someone asked for a Hydrad case.
My case was founded on: He's done a few Hydrady things, and few things I associate with scum!Hydrad, rightly or wrongly - His post where he says something like "Well that's fair enough then" or something.
That said I'm aware that my Hydrad vote is pretty out of date, so unvote until I get a chance to catch up.

I'm in a similar position to Ichi in terms of ludicrous busy-ness.
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« Reply #497 on: March 09, 2016, 09:26:27 am »

Vote Count 1.14

Haddock (1): Awaclus
Hydrad (3): chairs, gkrieg13, Limetime
Roadrunner7671 (3): Axxle, Hydrad, Witherweaver
chairs (1): e

Not Voting (4): pingpongsam, Roadrunner7671, Ichimaru Gin, Haddock

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« Reply #498 on: March 09, 2016, 09:27:48 am »

Why not just lynch RR?  Keeping claimed survivors has never worked out well, and there's always the chance he's lying.  And scum is not going to kill him.  I'd prefer to lynch RR over forcing more claims.
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« Reply #499 on: March 09, 2016, 09:28:00 am »

Axxel, Hydrad, Witherweaver?
Things happened that may influence your vote. Do you guys still want to vote for me?
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« Reply #500 on: March 09, 2016, 09:28:39 am »

Why not just lynch RR?  Keeping claimed survivors has never worked out well, and there's always the chance he's lying.  And scum is not going to kill him.  I'd prefer to lynch RR over forcing more claims.
Tonight, I'm going to make an IC or catch scum. Lynching me D1 doesn't help you win.
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« Reply #501 on: March 09, 2016, 09:29:53 am »

Why not just lynch RR?  Keeping claimed survivors has never worked out well, and there's always the chance he's lying.  And scum is not going to kill him.  I'd prefer to lynch RR over forcing more claims.
Tonight, I'm going to make an IC or catch scum. Lynching me D1 doesn't help you win.

It could very well.
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« Reply #502 on: March 09, 2016, 09:31:42 am »

Why not just lynch RR?  Keeping claimed survivors has never worked out well, and there's always the chance he's lying.  And scum is not going to kill him.  I'd prefer to lynch RR over forcing more claims.
Tonight, I'm going to make an IC or catch scum. Lynching me D1 doesn't help you win.

It could very well.
How is lynching me D1 helping you?
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« Reply #503 on: March 09, 2016, 09:33:25 am »

Why not just lynch RR?  Keeping claimed survivors has never worked out well, and there's always the chance he's lying.  And scum is not going to kill him.  I'd prefer to lynch RR over forcing more claims.
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« Reply #504 on: March 09, 2016, 09:35:30 am »

Why not just lynch RR?  Keeping claimed survivors has never worked out well, and there's always the chance he's lying.  And scum is not going to kill him.  I'd prefer to lynch RR over forcing more claims.
I think I deserve a chance. I'm different than other Survivors, as I have a service that is quite useful to town.

I think scum is going to kill me, I really do.

 
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« Reply #505 on: March 09, 2016, 09:39:02 am »

Enough with this
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« Reply #506 on: March 09, 2016, 09:41:41 am »

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« Reply #507 on: March 09, 2016, 09:48:32 am »

Interesting.

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« Reply #509 on: March 09, 2016, 10:05:08 am »

Pushing for a RR lynch is scummy here.
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« Reply #510 on: March 09, 2016, 10:07:33 am »

What a weird thing for Awaclus to say.
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« Reply #511 on: March 09, 2016, 01:37:46 pm »

Hello World

My, you have been a busy lot while I was away.

I love you.
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« Reply #512 on: March 09, 2016, 02:14:47 pm »

Haddock's interactions with PPS look more townie to me.

Quoting for Haddock to get the picture of how this thing works.

Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.
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« Reply #513 on: March 09, 2016, 02:37:39 pm »


Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.

But no vote?
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« Reply #514 on: March 09, 2016, 02:40:59 pm »


Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.

But no vote?

Fake claim scum = RR is town.

Interesting thought. I think he comes across like an excited 3rd party that has never been 3rd party before
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« Reply #515 on: March 09, 2016, 02:41:54 pm »

I am also a strong advocate of keeping him alive today to see what he can do for us tomorrow.
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« Reply #516 on: March 09, 2016, 03:11:16 pm »

Haddock's interactions with PPS look more townie to me.

Quoting for Haddock to get the picture of how this thing works.

Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.
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« Reply #517 on: March 09, 2016, 03:29:19 pm »


Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.

But no vote?

Fake claim scum = RR is town.

Interesting thought. I think he comes across like an excited 3rd party that has never been 3rd party before

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« Reply #518 on: March 09, 2016, 04:43:54 pm »

I mean, if the town is nice to me and stuff, I wouldn't vote for them at LyLo or any of that.

I want to be a good little towny person, and I will be for a while. All this fear of 'betrayal' is unnecessary until town starts to look bad.
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« Reply #519 on: March 09, 2016, 04:54:13 pm »

I mean, if the town is nice to me and stuff, I wouldn't vote for them at LyLo or any of that.

I want to be a good little towny person, and I will be for a while. All this fear of 'betrayal' is unnecessary until town starts to look bad.

It's a simple fact of town outnumbering scum at this point.
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« Reply #520 on: March 09, 2016, 04:57:41 pm »

Gollum: [to Frodo and Sam] We be nice to them, if they be nice to us.

Replace "Gollum" with RR and "Frodo and Sam" with town and that about sums it up.
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« Reply #521 on: March 09, 2016, 04:58:14 pm »

Gollum: [to Frodo and Sam] We be nice to them, if they be nice to us.

Replace "Gollum" with RR and "Frodo and Sam" with town and that about sums it up.

Are you saying RR is going to bite our finger off?
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« Reply #522 on: March 09, 2016, 04:59:13 pm »

Gollum: [to Frodo and Sam] We be nice to them, if they be nice to us.

Replace "Gollum" with RR and "Frodo and Sam" with town and that about sums it up.

Are you saying RR is going to bite our finger off?
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« Reply #523 on: March 09, 2016, 04:59:29 pm »

I am willing to play Frodo in this situation and be nice. Others think being untrusting Sam is the way to go. I mean, gollum does betray them.....but he also "wins the game" for them
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #524 on: March 09, 2016, 05:13:40 pm »

I am willing to play Frodo in this situation and be nice. Others think being untrusting Sam is the way to go. I mean, gollum does betray them.....but he also "wins the game" for them
This is a good reference.

But I'm not going to betray you.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #525 on: March 09, 2016, 05:38:33 pm »

I am willing to play Frodo in this situation and be nice. Others think being untrusting Sam is the way to go. I mean, gollum does betray them.....but he also "wins the game" for them
This is a good reference.

But I'm not going to betray you.

Unless it serves your wincon. You will side with whoever is going to keep you in the game. Assuming you aren't already lying your face off.

It does make sense for a Survivor to have copping abilities. It makes equal sense for an SK to have that ability as well. It also makes sense for scum to claim this role/ability because they already know the alignments.

So, 2 out of the 3 possibilities should be lynched ASAP.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia
« Reply #526 on: March 09, 2016, 05:41:45 pm »

Ha, interesting:

Setup:
This is a closed RMM setup which I invented. The following information will be made public:

- The setup is on the simpler side, as far as RMM games on f.ds are concerned.
- The town wincon is: "you win when all mafia players have been eliminated."
- Each member of the mafia will know who his partners are.
- If there are factions beside mafia and town, then their win-con will not be mutually exclusive with either mafia or town.
- Cops are not guaranteed to be sane! Of the five possible sanities, only Random is guaranteed not to appear. Other roles may affect Cop Results.
- The resolution of Night Actions is Blocking -> Commuting -> Copying -> Redirecting -> Protecting -> Other -> Killing -> Investigative. None of these categories is guaranteed to appear, but each existing role will fit into one of them. If you are not sure which one, you may ask.
- If several actions of the same category take place in the same night, they will happen simultaneously.

Flavor:
Game will be flavorless. Alignment will be referenced as Town or Mafia aligned.

Particularly the sanity thing, given RR is claiming Cop.

Also:

"If there are factions beside mafia and town, then their win-con will not be mutually exclusive with either mafia or town."

So any third party has to have a win con that can be satisfied with at least one of the factions?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #527 on: March 09, 2016, 05:50:51 pm »

I mean, survivor has a win con that works with either faction
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #528 on: March 09, 2016, 05:51:20 pm »

I mean, survivor has a win con that works with either faction

Right, but this actually excludes SK, right?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #529 on: March 09, 2016, 05:52:10 pm »

And RR was asking about tree stumps and millers, which (I guess) could affect his cop abilities.

Maybe as survivor he was guaranteed sane?  I don't know
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #530 on: March 09, 2016, 05:52:23 pm »

I mean, survivor has a win con that works with either faction

Right, but this actually excludes SK, right?

Yes, it would
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #531 on: March 09, 2016, 06:00:21 pm »

"This setup is on the simpler side"

Rr's claimed role is literally the most complicated role I've seen in recent memory.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #532 on: March 09, 2016, 06:02:41 pm »

"This setup is on the simpler side"

Rr's claimed role is literally the most complicated role I've seen in recent memory.

Its, quite simply, complicated.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #533 on: March 09, 2016, 06:04:00 pm »

"This setup is on the simpler side"

Rr's claimed role is literally the most complicated role I've seen in recent memory.

I wouldn't say so. From my understanding he is a survivor cop (with a guaranteed sanity?). Fairly simple. He had just talked a lot to muddy the waters. There are probably one or two more things on the side he hasn't claimed though
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #534 on: March 09, 2016, 06:06:03 pm »

I still want him to claim how his role could possibly benefit scum. As stated there is no benefit to scum.

Actually, he shouldn't. Let scum kill him. He can claim his negative utility D2. Or we lynch him then
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #535 on: March 09, 2016, 06:13:38 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #536 on: March 09, 2016, 06:16:04 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #537 on: March 09, 2016, 06:26:15 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #538 on: March 09, 2016, 06:30:04 pm »

negative utility
???

Why would scum keep you alive? What benefit do you provide them? If you are just a super powerful cop that can't be tricked (despite what the setup says about results and sanities), then they should kill you.

But I think you are holding something back from your role. Oh wait, I know you are. You said so yourself
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #539 on: March 09, 2016, 06:30:37 pm »

Incision "negative" for town. Beneficial for scum.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #540 on: March 09, 2016, 06:31:07 pm »

Incision "negative" for town. Beneficial for scum.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #541 on: March 09, 2016, 06:36:06 pm »

I might lie for scum.
I don't interfere with their wincon.
They can easily block me or bus drive me (not easily, but I would assume they have a Nexus or Roleblocker or anything).
I will probably investigate badly.
Town will dispatch of me.
I could help them perform an extended quickhammer.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #542 on: March 09, 2016, 06:50:26 pm »

Vote Count 1.15

Awaclus (1): chairs
Haddock (1): Awaclus
Hydrad (1): gkrieg13
Roadrunner7671 (3): Hydrad, Witherweaver, Limetime
chairs (1): e

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #543 on: March 09, 2016, 06:51:21 pm »

Oh, and if there's a Doctor or something, we can play Follow the Cop!
But seeing as this is a designed setup, I'd be shocked if there was a doctor.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #544 on: March 09, 2016, 06:53:54 pm »

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So. This is bad
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #545 on: March 09, 2016, 06:54:59 pm »

Not Voting (5): pingpongsam, Roadrunner7671, Ichimaru Gin, Haddock, Axxle

So. This is bad
But don't vote for RR
I'm going to Vote: Chairs
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #546 on: March 09, 2016, 07:09:56 pm »

Haddock's interactions with PPS look more townie to me.

Quoting for Haddock to get the picture of how this thing works.

Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.
There's really no need at all for the repeated attacks on my character/ability/whatever-the-fuck-you-decide-to-insult-next.

Not Voting (5): pingpongsam, Roadrunner7671, Ichimaru Gin, Haddock, Axxle

So. This is bad
Agreed. Apologies. I'm still not properly caught up.
Gkrieg hasn't been massively towny lately imo, from what I've seen. But I'm happy to go back to
vote: Hydrad
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #547 on: March 09, 2016, 07:15:36 pm »

vote: hydrad
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #548 on: March 09, 2016, 07:27:06 pm »

Vote: Hydrad
First he was acti-lurking, then he was hedgey, now he's normal-lurking.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #549 on: March 09, 2016, 07:30:38 pm »

If we are rejuvenating old wagons I like vote: haddock better
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #550 on: March 09, 2016, 07:31:26 pm »

If we are rejuvenating old wagons I like vote: haddock better
Why?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #551 on: March 09, 2016, 07:40:41 pm »

Vote Count 1.16

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #552 on: March 09, 2016, 08:06:29 pm »

Vote: Hydrad
First he was acti-lurking, then he was hedgey, now he's normal-lurking.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #553 on: March 09, 2016, 08:08:24 pm »

also I'm pretty much willing to kill RR. To me it sounds like hes saying hey i'm on towns side. Unless town starts looking bad and then I might consider going with scum...

well thats just. not good at all.

If it was ss I'd trust him to stay town as hes already done that before. But I don't think I trust RR.

if you guys really want I'd be willing to keep him alive for like a day or something to see what his power and stuff does and if it helps us out. But really I think its in our best interest to get rid of RR.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #554 on: March 09, 2016, 08:08:54 pm »

oh hey. I'm a wagon again. thats slightly annoying.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #555 on: March 09, 2016, 08:10:24 pm »

also I'm pretty much willing to kill RR. To me it sounds like hes saying hey i'm on towns side. Unless town starts looking bad and then I might consider going with scum...

well thats just. not good at all.

If it was ss I'd trust him to stay town as hes already done that before. But I don't think I trust RR.

if you guys really want I'd be willing to keep him alive for like a day or something to see what his power and stuff does and if it helps us out. But really I think its in our best interest to get rid of RR.
I don't even get a chance?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #556 on: March 09, 2016, 08:18:13 pm »

There's really no need at all for the repeated attacks on my character/ability/whatever-the-fuck-you-decide-to-insult-next.

While I certainly can't prevent you from taking offense, my point was you said I was inscrutable so I gave you some interaction to work with which proved to have a favorable result. Seems like you might have been appreciative instead of bitter. Whether you like it or understand it, engaging other players is a means of creating interaction that we are all using for analysis. Hateful interaction doesn't tend to foster positive analysis, however.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #557 on: March 09, 2016, 08:19:20 pm »

If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus.  Or Ichi, for funsies.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #558 on: March 09, 2016, 09:36:52 pm »

If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus.

Well, RR seems to be true, based on the observation that he's posting. Therefore, ¬RR is false. Using this logic, there's no reason to conclude that we could lynch Awaclus.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #559 on: March 09, 2016, 09:48:00 pm »

If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus.  Or Ichi, for funsies.

I'm not feeling Ichi, but would be fine with Awa or RR.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #560 on: March 09, 2016, 10:21:10 pm »

If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus.

Well, RR seems to be true, based on the observation that he's posting. Therefore, ¬RR is false. Using this logic, there's no reason to conclude that we could lynch Awaclus.

There's no reason to conclude not to lynch Awaclus either.

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« Reply #561 on: March 09, 2016, 10:37:30 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #562 on: March 09, 2016, 10:38:41 pm »

Why are we voting Awaclus?
Rereads are hard from my phone.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #563 on: March 09, 2016, 10:39:17 pm »

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Haddock (2): Awaclus, e
Hydrad (3): Haddock, Axxle, Roadrunner7671
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #564 on: March 09, 2016, 10:54:02 pm »

Why are we voting Awaclus?
Rereads are hard from my phone.
the better question is why not Awalcus?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #565 on: March 09, 2016, 10:57:20 pm »

Why are we voting Awaclus?
Rereads are hard from my phone.
the better question is why not Awalcus?
I guess that is a better question.
Vote: Awaclus
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #566 on: March 09, 2016, 11:17:30 pm »

the better question is why not Awalcus?

  • I was able to defend myself against Haddock's accusations
  • I took a towny position regarding RR claiming basically a survivor Cop

I think it's a pretty good D1 defense.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #567 on: March 09, 2016, 11:29:01 pm »

If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus.  Or Ichi, for funsies.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #568 on: March 09, 2016, 11:42:35 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #569 on: March 10, 2016, 12:20:40 am »

I really think we need to lynch on the RR wagon. What type of town player would lynch a claimed cop because of the risk that I'll defect soon? I'm obviously not going to, that's a terrible play.

I think Hydrad would recognize this, but I feel like Limetime might 'panic' now that there's a cop out there. So a Vote: Limetime seems strong to me.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #570 on: March 10, 2016, 02:40:18 am »

But I like limetime though!
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #571 on: March 10, 2016, 02:41:34 am »

Why is everyone voting for Haddock?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #572 on: March 10, 2016, 02:45:12 am »

There's really no need at all for the repeated attacks on my character/ability/whatever-the-fuck-you-decide-to-insult-next.

While I certainly can't prevent you from taking offense, my point was you said I was inscrutable so I gave you some interaction to work with which proved to have a favorable result. Seems like you might have been appreciative instead of bitter. Whether you like it or understand it, engaging other players is a means of creating interaction that we are all using for analysis. Hateful interaction doesn't tend to foster positive analysis, however.
I don't really know what to say to this.
I apologise if I came across as bitter. I never felt bitter, if that means anything.  I do appreciate your giving me interactions - but I didn't realise that that's what you were doing until it was too late.  From my perspective, this is what happened:

1) I put you on a could-lynch list because I can't read you.
2) We get into a discussion about this, in which you look to me like you're coming off a bit too defensive, so I continue the discussion.
3) You explain what you're doing, but rather than giving me a chance to reevaluate things from that perspective, you immediately call me illiterate.
4) I shut up to avoid responding in kind.
5) Nothing happens for a while.
6) You make a post implying that I don't know how the game works/am totally awful at it/both.
7) I ask you to stop with the insults.
8) You call me bitter.

Clearly our wires have gotten crossed here, we should probably discuss after the game.  But that's how it's come across to me.


In other news, I'm a little bit scared of how quickly the Hydrad wagon came back when I revoted.  Strongly considering moving elsewhere.


Also, I think this:
I really think we need to lynch on the RR wagon. What type of town player would lynch a claimed cop because of the risk that I'll defect soon? I'm obviously not going to, that's a terrible play.

I think Hydrad would recognize this, but I feel like Limetime might 'panic' now that there's a cop out there. So a Vote: Limetime seems strong to me.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #573 on: March 10, 2016, 02:59:44 am »

RR was a better lynch than Hydrad. Defaulting back to hydrad and giving RR a chance to come up with actionable intelligence makes sense, I guess. I'd dayvig him if I could but his lynch probably won't go through today.

And yeah it was a weak vote, as an alleged survivor he doesn't have the same motivation. His plan of attack is to push any lynch that isn't his.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #574 on: March 10, 2016, 07:02:36 am »

Clearly our wires have gotten crossed here, we should probably discuss after the game.

Agreed. Suffice to say "illiterate" wasn't a personal attack just a euphemism for you not being able to read me no matter what I did. The other post was no implication on your ability it was simply highlighting the fact that our interaction had worked in your favor which I was hoping illustrated the fact that I was being active in a way that was giving other people sufficient reading material to drop your wagon for a while which I thought might alleviate your otherwise nebulous read on me.

I'll reiterate that I am just having fun in a game so anything I say is purely for humor or to drive the game forward and certainly not to alienate someone on a personal level.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #575 on: March 10, 2016, 05:06:52 pm »

OK so moving on to other things.

I'm thinking that leaving RR for a day is probably OK - but if the deadline gets close I suggest that RR is the automatic candidate for a last-minute quicklynch, yes?
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #576 on: March 10, 2016, 05:26:09 pm »

Sorry, like no access today.

But seriously where is everyone else?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #577 on: March 10, 2016, 05:32:46 pm »

I'm watching and waiting. I don't know that I have anything to add but am open to entertaining any questions.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #578 on: March 10, 2016, 05:59:28 pm »

OK so moving on to other things.

I'm thinking that leaving RR for a day is probably OK - but if the deadline gets close I suggest that RR is the automatic candidate for a last-minute quicklynch, yes?
No, that would decrease your chances of lynching scum.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #579 on: March 10, 2016, 06:00:08 pm »

I'm watching and waiting. I don't know that I have anything to add but am open to entertaining any questions.
I have a question-what day do you want to lynch RR assuming no scum have been caught/lynched?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #580 on: March 10, 2016, 06:03:58 pm »

I'm watching and waiting. I don't know that I have anything to add but am open to entertaining any questions.
I have a question-what day do you want to lynch RR assuming no scum have been caught/lynched?

Any day will do. I don't disagree with giving you a pass this day but I think you are lying and we have a good chance of hitting scum or equivalent if we lynch you today. I am interested to see you try to prove your claim but I won't trust the results.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #581 on: March 10, 2016, 06:57:54 pm »

A guarantee of lynching non town is fine as a quicklynch. Sorry RR but that's the way it is.

OK so nothings happening.

To shake things up:  I'm increasingly tempted by an axxle vote. I don't know his meta but he's not really been towny so far.  Any interest?

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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #582 on: March 10, 2016, 07:00:40 pm »

Vote Count 1.18

Awaclus (3): chairs, Witherweaver, gkrieg13
Haddock (2): Awaclus, e
Limetime (1): Roadrunner7671
Hydrad (2): Haddock, Axxle
Roadrunner7671 (2): Hydrad, Limetime

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Ichimaru Gin

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #583 on: March 10, 2016, 07:03:29 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #584 on: March 10, 2016, 07:04:25 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #585 on: March 10, 2016, 07:05:37 pm »

That vote was from a while ago. I need to reread
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #586 on: March 10, 2016, 07:06:45 pm »

Sorry RR but that's the way it is.
This hit close to home. 'That's just the way it is?' You can't challenge that? You accept the 'way it is' with your head down instead of starting something great? How many policy lynches of survivors will it take for you to realize that we're not all bad? We're not out to get town. We're helping the town, surviving with them. Taking that away merely because of a PM I recieved is inhumane.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #587 on: March 10, 2016, 11:06:45 pm »

Guys?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #588 on: March 11, 2016, 03:39:07 am »

Sorry RR but that's the way it is.
This hit close to home. 'That's just the way it is?' You can't challenge that? You accept the 'way it is' with your head down instead of starting something great? How many policy lynches of survivors will it take for you to realize that we're not all bad? We're not out to get town. We're helping the town, surviving with them. Taking that away merely because of a PM I recieved is inhumane.
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Dude, I've never played a game with a Survivor before.  So "How many will it take, etc." isn't really going to hit me at all.

Look, appealing to our humanity is not really a thing that will work.  If it's beneficial for town for us to lynch you then we should do it.  And the closer the deadline gets the more beneficial it becomes to do it.

We are now starting to push it and there's no real wagon.  Is the Awaclus thing a serious deal?  I'm up for a vote: Awaclus
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #589 on: March 11, 2016, 03:53:36 am »

Is the Awaclus thing a serious deal?

No.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #590 on: March 11, 2016, 05:48:03 am »

C'mon guys.  I can literally FEEL scum rubbing their hands together with glee at the stalling that's going down.

Axxle, question for you.  You said you only sheep people you have townreads on, and you kinda sheeped me onto Hydrad not long ago.  Yet (I've been rereading you) early you had a scumread on me.  Which of the two things have changed?
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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« Reply #591 on: March 11, 2016, 07:27:21 am »

Vote Count 1.19

Awaclus (4): chairs, Witherweaver, gkrieg13, Haddock
Haddock (2): Awaclus, e
Limetime (1): Roadrunner7671
Hydrad (1): Axxle
Roadrunner7671 (1): Hydrad

Not Voting (3): pingpongsam, Ichimaru Gin, Limetime

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #592 on: March 11, 2016, 10:31:05 am »

Sorry I have a big test today that I've been studying for all week. I'll take the test today and get more into this.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #593 on: March 11, 2016, 11:46:30 am »

Looks like lots of people are VLA, which kinda sucks.

Hopefully it won't cause too much of a problem.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #594 on: March 11, 2016, 11:47:56 am »

Looks like lots of people are VLA, which kinda sucks.

Hopefully it won't cause too much of a problem.
I'm not VLA, and I'd like to chat with you.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #595 on: March 11, 2016, 11:49:09 am »

Sounds suitably ominous.  What's up?
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #596 on: March 11, 2016, 11:50:34 am »

Sounds suitably ominous.  What's up?
You're up. My lynch is unnecessary.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #597 on: March 11, 2016, 12:07:46 pm »

I'm up?  huh?

Your lynch is currently unnecessary.  But yeah, I maintain that if it comes to a hurried end-of-day lynch you may be our safest option.
A guarantee of not killing a good town PR is something worth having.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #598 on: March 11, 2016, 12:13:20 pm »

A guarantee of not killing a good town PR is something worth having.

Strong case, right there.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #599 on: March 11, 2016, 12:29:23 pm »

hmm

sure Vote:awaclus i guess
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #600 on: March 11, 2016, 12:34:28 pm »

Sorry RR but that's the way it is.
This hit close to home. 'That's just the way it is?' You can't challenge that? You accept the 'way it is' with your head down instead of starting something great? How many policy lynches of survivors will it take for you to realize that we're not all bad? We're not out to get town. We're helping the town, surviving with them. Taking that away merely because of a PM I recieved is inhumane.
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hmm..

ya I hate when I roll scum and I can't help town out. How many policy lynches of scum will it take for you to realize that we're not all bad? Taking that away merely because of a PM I recieved is inhumane.

(its kinda the same idea. basically for us to trust you we would have to think that your playing slightly against your win con.)
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #601 on: March 11, 2016, 01:13:41 pm »

Sorry RR but that's the way it is.
This hit close to home. 'That's just the way it is?' You can't challenge that? You accept the 'way it is' with your head down instead of starting something great? How many policy lynches of survivors will it take for you to realize that we're not all bad? We're not out to get town. We're helping the town, surviving with them. Taking that away merely because of a PM I recieved is inhumane.
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hmm..

ya I hate when I roll scum and I can't help town out. How many policy lynches of scum will it take for you to realize that we're not all bad? Taking that away merely because of a PM I recieved is inhumane.

(its kinda the same idea. basically for us to trust you we would have to think that your playing slightly against your win con.)
The thing is though, I'm not scum!

It's for my wincon to play as town until at least D3. At least!

I would've claimed a town cop of some kind if I would've known that I'd receive this much opposition.
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« Reply #602 on: March 11, 2016, 01:18:20 pm »

This is not opposition, it's pragmatism. Seriously.

I would be more on the fence about it if we knew your sanity.  This way we can't get meaningful results out of you til several days in when we can collate things to figure your sanity. I'm not willing to bet on you staying loyal for that long. So your Cop role is essentially meaningless.
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« Reply #603 on: March 11, 2016, 01:19:42 pm »

This is not opposition, it's pragmatism. Seriously.

I would be more on the fence about it if we knew your sanity.  This way we can't get meaningful results out of you til several days in when we can collate things to figure your sanity. I'm not willing to bet on you staying loyal for that long. So your Cop role is essentially meaningless.
I will stay loyal to town as long as they are loyal to me.
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« Reply #604 on: March 11, 2016, 01:30:15 pm »

Look, let's just lynch awaclus and move on.

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« Reply #605 on: March 11, 2016, 01:35:32 pm »

Look, let's just lynch awaclus and move on.

Why is he preferable to RR where we know what we are gonna get or better?
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« Reply #606 on: March 11, 2016, 01:38:21 pm »

Look, let's just lynch awaclus and move on.

Why is he preferable to RR where we know what we are gonna get or better?
Because RR is a cop and RR is basically town aligned.
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« Reply #607 on: March 11, 2016, 01:38:53 pm »

So have you said anything about the insanity thing?
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« Reply #608 on: March 11, 2016, 01:39:24 pm »

So have you said anything about the insanity thing?
Why would I play all my cards right away?
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« Reply #609 on: March 11, 2016, 01:39:48 pm »

Vote: Roadrunner
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« Reply #610 on: March 11, 2016, 01:40:28 pm »

Vote: Roadrunner
Why are you forcing me to play all my cards?
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« Reply #611 on: March 11, 2016, 01:40:56 pm »

I don't care about your cards; I'm just forcing you our of this game.
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« Reply #612 on: March 11, 2016, 01:42:07 pm »

I don't care about your cards; I'm just forcing you our of this game.
Why am I not a good lynch tomorrow? But then you get cop results. Cop results are better than no cop results.
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« Reply #613 on: March 11, 2016, 01:43:44 pm »

So have you said anything about the insanity thing?
Why would I play all my cards right away?

I know I would have straight up said I was certain sane even if I wasn't in your position. My guess is you are not certain because I read the bit of setup someone posted that said there are no guarantees of sanity. That you are withholding this bit doesn't add up at all. If you were certain you would have said so up front.
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« Reply #614 on: March 11, 2016, 01:44:29 pm »

So have you said anything about the insanity thing?
Why would I play all my cards right away?

I know I would have straight up said I was certain sane even if I wasn't in your position. My guess is you are not certain because I read the bit of setup someone posted that said there are no guarantees of sanity. That you are withholding this bit doesn't add up at all. If you were certain you would have said so up front.
I don't tend to do things in the smart typical way.
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« Reply #615 on: March 11, 2016, 02:53:57 pm »

I will reread tonight. And I will vote accordingly.
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« Reply #616 on: March 11, 2016, 03:37:06 pm »

C'mon guys.  I can literally FEEL scum rubbing their hands together with glee at the stalling that's going down.

Axxle, question for you.  You said you only sheep people you have townreads on, and you kinda sheeped me onto Hydrad not long ago.  Yet (I've been rereading you) early you had a scumread on me.  Which of the two things have changed?
I have a townread on you, but my vote wasn't a sheep, it was just defaulting back to a previous wagon (I hadn't seen that you voted until after I revoted anyway)
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« Reply #617 on: March 11, 2016, 06:27:58 pm »

Ok. Finished my calculus exam  ;D

And we have one day to deadline it seems...

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« Reply #618 on: March 11, 2016, 08:24:06 pm »

rereading now.  I should know who scum is after I finish my third or fourth beer.
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« Reply #619 on: March 11, 2016, 08:27:38 pm »

Also just finished my test

Also need to reread.

I would be fine with an RR lynch, but we should probably save that until later
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« Reply #620 on: March 11, 2016, 08:28:21 pm »

Claiming survivor early actually creates an interesting scenario. He really does count as town until we don't need him and can just lynch him
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« Reply #621 on: March 11, 2016, 09:12:42 pm »

Claiming survivor early actually creates an interesting scenario. He really does count as town until we don't need him and can just lynch him

Or the bit he isn't telling us is what blows up in our face for waiting which is why he is so smug about it.
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« Reply #622 on: March 11, 2016, 09:14:01 pm »

Claiming survivor early actually creates an interesting scenario. He really does count as town until we don't need him and can just lynch him

Or the bit he isn't telling us is what blows up in our face for waiting which is why he is so smug about it.

I missed that part. I thought he was just a survivor cop, maybe with proven sanity?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #623 on: March 11, 2016, 09:14:13 pm »

finished my reread.  I know who I want to vote for.  But you guys will have to wait until after dinner to hear!
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« Reply #624 on: March 11, 2016, 09:15:06 pm »

finished my reread.  I know who I want to vote for.  But you guys will have to wait until after dinner to hear!

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« Reply #625 on: March 11, 2016, 09:16:54 pm »

Vote Count 1.20

Awaclus (3): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock
Haddock (2): Awaclus, e
Limetime (1): Roadrunner7671
Hydrad (1): Axxle
Roadrunner7671 (2): Hydrad, Witherweaver

Not Voting (3): pingpongsam, Ichimaru Gin, Limetime

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« Reply #626 on: March 11, 2016, 09:25:39 pm »

Claiming survivor early actually creates an interesting scenario. He really does count as town until we don't need him and can just lynch him

Or the bit he isn't telling us is what blows up in our face for waiting which is why he is so smug about it.

I missed that part. I thought he was just a survivor cop, maybe with proven sanity?

If he had proven sanity, which would be directly against the setup, he would have said so up front because it would be idiocy to omit that bit in the claim. That he is holding something back is either an outright lie because the whole claim is fake or whatever he divulges is most likely a lie to save his hide. Or, possibly, the claim is true but the claim of omitting something is a lie. Or, more likely, if the claim is true, the unclaimed bit is something we would definitely kill him for so when he does claim the rest it will be a lie to save his hide.
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« Reply #627 on: March 11, 2016, 10:07:55 pm »

Can we take a RR quicklynch-because-we're-approaching-the-deadline off the table?

Because that seems ultra-likely.
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« Reply #628 on: March 11, 2016, 10:40:39 pm »

So.  I like my vote where it is.  On Haddock.

So I'd love to hear e's case on me since he started the wagon and noone else has offered any reason.

Lets do it.

This was the reason I first cast my vote on Haddock.  It felt like he was building a case before a case could be made.  Not just on me, but on anyone.  Anyway.  I thought it was worth a vote.

And then we get an Awaclus vote.  How original.  It's not like you won't have people agreeing that Awaclus is scummy.  But really, all he had done to that point was argue grammar.  Hardly anything scummy.  But still, a nice place to hang out on.

Then we get to his first response to "THE WAGON."  (at this time it is e, Ichimaru Gin, Axxle, Limetime)

He does several things here:
1) Insists on an official "case"
2) Calls everyone sheepy
3) Claims he hasn't even posted enough for that many people to think he is scummy

Now, I will take those on one by one.
1) Insisting on an official case on D1 is nice and all, and it is a great way for people to think you aren't a great lynch.  Because there is no case!  I mean, even this long post is nothing but my random ideas about you and how I think you are more scummy than other people except for like one post that I will talk about later.
2) Discrediting votes is scummy
3) Just not true

He also continues to attack Awaclus as scummy.  You know, fresh day, new perspective, still scum.

Then, after some convo with Awaclus, he unvotes.  Ok, I can dig that.

He then has this really cool nice unbiased reasoned out post about his attitude toward wagons.  Good stuff.  Except he even admits that he does it as town and scum  (again, that unbiased nonsense that people use to make them look cool and rational and townie.  Because it is cool and townie)

Oh!  Here is a reads list!  I said I was going to do one and I did!  I am awesome!  Except....Haddock concludes with a RR vote.  Only the second most sexy person to vote other than Awaclus.  Like really, can anyone fault anyone for voting for Awaclus or RR?  (apparently I can)

Then we get this amazing WW vote followed by Haddock freaking out and starting up an AtE with WW.  "Don't fall in the trap...."  I read "Don't.  Follow.  The lights."  Smeagol style.  Anyway, continuing on....

We turn to a super frustrated town!Haddock response.  GUYS!  I AM TOWN!  DONT LYNCH ME! THERE IS NO CASE!

Well, I already explained the case thing, and it sure is frustrating to get lynched D1 as scum.  I mean, you like let your whole team down.  It sucks.

He then gets some unvotes, cools down, and we get this:

but I do still want to see e's case. 

And yes.  I am still working on it.  Give me some time.  For realz.

He is now in the clear, and able to post some good reads.  Except he forgets that he used to find Awaclus scummy.  I mean, I seriously doubt that is a partner tell, I think it is more of "I am listing 5 people, who do I think we can lynch and who else can I throw in there" tell. 

Except wait.  He does replly to why Awaclus used to be scummy and is not anymore.  He was just frustrated with Awaclus.  It was a frustration read not a logic read and therefore invalid.  But wait!  Much later he is back to Awaclus as a real vote.  Now I am really confused.

Anyway, he spends some time on Hydrad in the middle of all that (based on that reads list of his).  Makes a case and everything.  Except in the post he makes his case he also unvotes.  But it doesn't take long for him to vote again.  All very fun.

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And so here we have him.  Sitting on Awaclus.  With a voting history of Awaclus, Hydrad, and RR.  Best Votes Ever!

Anyway, I still like my very circumstantial D1 "case" and my

vote: Haddock
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« Reply #629 on: March 11, 2016, 11:10:41 pm »

vote: haddock

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« Reply #630 on: March 12, 2016, 12:35:22 am »

where is everybody.  have to vote for haddock now.  totes scum
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« Reply #631 on: March 12, 2016, 12:36:13 am »

more people from the west coaast US need to play mafia.  everyone being alseep is silly
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« Reply #632 on: March 12, 2016, 12:36:30 am »

where is everybody.  have to vote for haddock now.  totes scum

I'm already voting for him.
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« Reply #633 on: March 12, 2016, 12:37:47 am »

where is everybody.  have to vote for haddock now.  totes scum

I'm already voting for him.

well, dyahe.  OMGUS is gool. nad all.
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« Reply #634 on: March 12, 2016, 12:38:27 am »

I can go for haddock. Or one of the people who aren't voting. We have less than a day?  You definitely need to get votes on the table.

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« Reply #635 on: March 12, 2016, 12:42:33 am »

4 down 3 to go!

Lycnh!
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« Reply #636 on: March 12, 2016, 12:44:15 am »

4 down 3 to go!

Lycnh!
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« Reply #637 on: March 12, 2016, 12:45:22 am »

Lynch! lynch! lynch!
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« Reply #638 on: March 12, 2016, 12:46:56 am »

vote: Haddock

I'm exhausted, but we're running out of time.

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« Reply #639 on: March 12, 2016, 12:48:16 am »

I am very confident.  I am like 6 beers in, so confidence helps.  Any questions about the case please ask.  I will totes answer.  AMA style.  I hear they are good for games.
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« Reply #640 on: March 12, 2016, 12:51:10 am »

I don't care about your cards; I'm just forcing you our of this game.

that is mean.  dont be mean , be nice.
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« Reply #641 on: March 12, 2016, 12:51:30 am »

just saw that so I thought to comment
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« Reply #642 on: March 12, 2016, 12:55:30 am »

Are you scum? 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #643 on: March 12, 2016, 12:56:04 am »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #644 on: March 12, 2016, 12:56:26 am »

obvs not scum..  you might be though
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #645 on: March 12, 2016, 12:58:31 am »

I can go for haddock. Or one of the people who aren't voting. We have less than a day?  You definitely need to get votes on the table.

vote: Haddock

I mean, look at your positions.  popular wagon )because I mae it popular)

or people not voting.  like. totes easy votes for scum!grkieg to make
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #646 on: March 12, 2016, 12:59:50 am »

I can go for haddock. Or one of the people who aren't voting. We have less than a day?  You definitely need to get votes on the table.

vote: Haddock

I mean, look at your positions.  popular wagon )because I mae it popular)

or people not voting.  like. totes easy votes for scum!grkieg to make

It would be a lot easier to unvote and go for that wagon if I were scum.

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« Reply #647 on: March 12, 2016, 01:00:28 am »

Also that is L-1
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« Reply #648 on: March 12, 2016, 01:02:07 am »

Also that is L-1

NOPE  only L-2.  math.  i count numbbers good
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« Reply #649 on: March 12, 2016, 01:06:01 am »

Also that is L-1

NOPE  only L-2.  math.  i count numbbers good

Oh you were already voting for him
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« Reply #650 on: March 12, 2016, 01:06:14 am »

Anyway going to bed
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #651 on: March 12, 2016, 01:13:06 am »

so many people hide when they are nline.  obvscum move (looking at you, ichi, ahsersky, and others)  (even thugh sh is retired sort of)
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« Reply #652 on: March 12, 2016, 01:14:35 am »

But I am invisible.

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« Reply #653 on: March 12, 2016, 01:16:03 am »

But I am invisible.

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« Reply #654 on: March 12, 2016, 01:18:09 am »

and you arent invisible.  check the page.  says "4 members viewing topic"

then I go to see who and is only shows 0-1 peple?  I know you sneaky "hide when I am online" people are wathing.  I know....I am watching too....
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« Reply #655 on: March 12, 2016, 01:24:09 am »

Why don't you join us? Then we can all be hidden and guess who each other are.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #656 on: March 12, 2016, 04:22:45 am »

Um. This is bad. OK.  I'll respond to some of e's case.  Not much I can do other than that.
Oh and I'll vote: RR because his lynch is guaranteed better than mine.
So.  I like my vote where it is.  On Haddock.

So I'd love to hear e's case on me since he started the wagon and noone else has offered any reason.

Lets do it.

This was the reason I first cast my vote on Haddock.  It felt like he was building a case before a case could be made.  Not just on me, but on anyone.  Anyway.  I thought it was worth a vote.
Dude. I was defending you from a vote placed by a new player for a not very good reason. Simple as that.

And then we get an Awaclus vote.  How original.  It's not like you won't have people agreeing that Awaclus is scummy.  But really, all he had done to that point was argue grammar.  Hardly anything scummy.  But still, a nice place to hang out on.

Then we get to his first response to "THE WAGON."  (at this time it is e, Ichimaru Gin, Axxle, Limetime)

He does several things here:
1) Insists on an official "case"
2) Calls everyone sheepy
3) Claims he hasn't even posted enough for that many people to think he is scummy

Now, I will take those on one by one.
1) Insisting on an official case on D1 is nice and all, and it is a great way for people to think you aren't a great lynch.  Because there is no case!  I mean, even this long post is nothing but my random ideas about you and how I think you are more scummy than other people except for like one post that I will talk about later.
2) Discrediting votes is scummy
3) Just not true

1) I just wanted any reason at all, not a whole case. Not a single point has been offered until this post you're making now.
2) people were sheeping.  No question. That's OK in itself. But the very definition of sheeping is unexplained votes following another players unexplained vote.
3) I was definitely posting less than normal early on today and was aware of it.

He then has this really cool nice unbiased reasoned out post about his attitude toward wagons.  Good stuff.  Except he even admits that he does it as town and scum  (again, that unbiased nonsense that people use to make them look cool and rational and townie.  Because it is cool and townie)
People also do that "unbiased nonsense" when they're town.
Well, I already explained the case thing, and it sure is frustrating to get lynched D1 as scum.  I mean, you like let your whole team down.  It sucks.

He then gets some unvotes, cools down, and we get this:

but I do still want to see e's case. 

And yes.  I am still working on it.  Give me some time.  For realz.

Ok but you never indicated that you were working on it. Forgive me for nagging.

He is now in the clear, and able to post some good reads.  Except he forgets that he used to find Awaclus scummy.  I mean, I seriously doubt that is a partner tell, I think it is more of "I am listing 5 people, who do I think we can lynch and who else can I throw in there" tell. 

Except wait.  He does replly to why Awaclus used to be scummy and is not anymore.  He was just frustrated with Awaclus.  It was a frustration read not a logic read and therefore invalid.  But wait!  Much later he is back to Awaclus as a real vote.  Now I am really confused.
I think frustration vote is a fair way to describe my original vote on Awaclus. Then I went back to null on him.

And then as deadline approached and all lynches started looking better, Awaclus was a good option because he basically always is.

And so here we have him.  Sitting on Awaclus.  With a voting history of Awaclus, Hydrad, and RR.  Best Votes Ever!
I really hadn't realised just how bad my vote history looks this game. I agree it looks bad. But I'm not going to edit my reads (which are genuine) to look townier. I'll do other things to look towny probably but not that.
Also I have a couple of time discussed gkrieg and been largely ignored. Never did vote for him, which was probably a mistake, but I feel that should be taken into account.

Well that's what I got.  Obviously i'm thinking about claiming. But everyone has a pr, so not sure what the gain would be this close to deadline.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #657 on: March 12, 2016, 05:25:49 am »

vote: haddock
I will be vla over this weekend.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #658 on: March 12, 2016, 06:00:45 am »

Ugh, all the VLA is really annoying.  If you're not going to be around to change your mind, put your vote in a safer place.

What if I wanted to claim?  If you're VLA and can't change as the result of a claim then that's a fairly major issue.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #659 on: March 12, 2016, 06:07:53 am »

Fuck.  I'll claim.

I am a Persistent Cop. 

Can we lynch someone else now?  Anyone else, I don't care.

Believe it or not, I was actually trying to be a little bit scummy to avoid the NK.  Needn't have bothered.

I'm dead tonight anyway, so do what you like.

Convinced there's scum on my wagon, by the way, scum know I'm not an easy mislynch and there's no way they'd let it pass on the hope that it would go through on its own.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #660 on: March 12, 2016, 06:57:16 am »

What does persistent mean?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #661 on: March 12, 2016, 06:58:35 am »

Btw I agree that RR is A better lynch than Haddock due to the fact we know what we get but I think the Haddock lynch will be more informative.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #662 on: March 12, 2016, 07:04:19 am »

Vote: RR
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« Reply #663 on: March 12, 2016, 07:46:50 am »

Upon death I'm forced to distribute results among the remaining players.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #664 on: March 12, 2016, 07:50:47 am »

Upon death I'm forced to distribute results among the remaining players.

Insane results you mean?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #665 on: March 12, 2016, 07:51:29 am »

Considering we can't trust cop results I am in favor of removing any claimed cops from the game.
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« Reply #666 on: March 12, 2016, 07:52:07 am »

I am imagining redirected insane results abounding in this game.
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« Reply #667 on: March 12, 2016, 09:18:57 am »

Considering we can't trust cop results I am in favor of removing any claimed cops from the game.
That's batshit. And scummy. I'm guaranteed to remain loyal to town, unlike some, so we'll be able to deduce my sanity at some point. 
If you believe my claim there is no way that lynching me is ever even remotely valid play.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #668 on: March 12, 2016, 09:26:09 am »

vote: gkrieg
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #669 on: March 12, 2016, 09:27:40 am »

about 8.5 hours to go
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #670 on: March 12, 2016, 09:28:38 am »

I will be around today and can switch over to RR later to get a lynch, but I really don't think he is our best option.
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« Reply #671 on: March 12, 2016, 09:35:08 am »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #672 on: March 12, 2016, 09:46:17 am »

Considering we can't trust cop results I am in favor of removing any claimed cops from the game.
That's batshit. And scummy. I'm guaranteed to remain loyal to town, unlike some, so we'll be able to deduce my sanity at some point. 
If you believe my claim there is no way that lynching me is ever even remotely valid play.


Fair point but I already agreed RR is the better lynch. I do agree we can ascertain your sanity but at what cost? It may be overboard to lynch all cop claims but in the absence of a better lynch it is not the worst strategy. Also your claimed loyalty to town is only worthy if you are indeed town. That said I think you probably are town because your claim is terrible from a scum perspective.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #673 on: March 12, 2016, 09:48:04 am »

Vote Count 1.21

Haddock (3): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin, Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): e
Limetime (1): Roadrunner7671
Hydrad (1): Axxle
Roadrunner7671 (5): Hydrad, Witherweaver, Haddock, Awaclus, chairs

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #674 on: March 12, 2016, 10:25:18 am »

So we are probably going to have a bunch of cops then? 

unvote

vote: RR

L-1

I think his lynch is probably the best we can do today with the deadline where it is.

Also Haddocks claim can only be confirmed when he dies right?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #675 on: March 12, 2016, 10:35:20 am »

I won't be around during the deadline.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #676 on: March 12, 2016, 11:07:40 am »

Come on, someone get this done.   Let's face it, nothing else is going to go through in time. 

Unless anyone wants a last-minute Limetime lynch?  This is something I've been keeping to myself, but I feel safe saying it since I'm dead tonight anyway.  Scum was certainly on my wagon and I think Limetime's votes on me look particularly bad.  (Ichi and Axxle's don't look great either by the way).  Of course this only means anything to anyone if you believe my claim.  Which you should.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #677 on: March 12, 2016, 11:13:12 am »

Setup Clarification: The sanity of a cop is not revealed upon flip.

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« Reply #678 on: March 12, 2016, 11:32:21 am »

vote: limetime

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #679 on: March 12, 2016, 11:46:04 am »

Keeping both cops around and having them investigate each other should give us some idea of their sanity
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #680 on: March 12, 2016, 11:51:51 am »

Oh, this is exciting!

I can't save myself here, but SS has designed quite a game.

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« Reply #681 on: March 12, 2016, 11:53:32 am »

Vote Count 1.22

Haddock (3): Ichimaru Gin, Limetime, Roadrunner7671
gkrieg13 (1): e
Limetime (1): chairs
Hydrad (1): Axxle
Roadrunner7671 (5): Hydrad, Witherweaver, Haddock, Awaclus, gkrieg13 {L-2}

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Mar 12, 6 PM forum time. That is in 6h 6m.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #682 on: March 12, 2016, 11:54:51 am »

Vote: Limetime
Haddock and I totally need to investigate each other tonight.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #683 on: March 12, 2016, 12:01:19 pm »

Bi investigation could be a thing.
But in that case we need another lynch target asap.

vote: limetime

I will be around for deadline so will go back to RR if necessary.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #684 on: March 12, 2016, 12:15:10 pm »

I like my gkrieg vote.  I could also do chairs.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #685 on: March 12, 2016, 12:16:33 pm »

This is RMM.  We have no clue what powers scum has.  There are already two people claiming cop, and even with uncertain sanities we know that scum is going to have something good.  I don't like directing town PRs, especially on N1. 

Maybe later, but N1 people should target who they want to target
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #686 on: March 12, 2016, 12:23:13 pm »

Vote: gkreig
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #687 on: March 12, 2016, 12:24:24 pm »

Vote: Gkrieg
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #688 on: March 12, 2016, 12:26:43 pm »

Awaclus
gkrieg13
Hydrad
Roadrunner7671 - I want him to be useful for a night before we lynch him
pingpongsam - town read. 
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Witherweaver
Ichimaru Gin - Not today
chairs
Haddock - not lynching a claimed cop here D1.  That persistent thing is also interesting and could explain why cops may or may not be sane. 
Limetime - This is just a bad lynch.  You guys voting for him should feel bad.
Axxle

So of WW, Awaclus, gkrieg, chairs, and Axxle I like gkrieg.

WW there is no reason to lynch, but also no reason not to lynch.  Awaclus is the same.  chairs feels sporadic, and I am very tempted to vote here, but this feels like town!sheep!chairs voting for lynches.  Could be scum!sheep!chairs though.  Axxle....meh.  Just don't really feel like lynching but no reason to cross him off the list.

gkrieg > chairs > WW = Awaclus > Axxle
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #689 on: March 12, 2016, 12:35:48 pm »

Weren't you really against my Gkrieg votes earlier?

I would do anyone but Haddock to get a lynch through.   
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #690 on: March 12, 2016, 12:36:12 pm »

Vote: Gkrieg
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #691 on: March 12, 2016, 12:38:25 pm »

I don't like the directing PRs as well.  Scum can decide to just redirect you, or RB you.

I don't get the sudden wagon on me though.  I think chairs or limetime would be a better choice.  Although I don't like lynching newbies

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #692 on: March 12, 2016, 12:43:18 pm »

I don't have any impression on Limetime one way or the other.. I don't really get going for that wagon.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #693 on: March 12, 2016, 12:53:27 pm »

I guess I'm not in a position to push. But I really do think limetime looks really bad. So comments that we should feel bad for voting him are badly misplaced. I know it's D1 and the D1 pass thing is a thing. But still. I want people to be aware of my scum read on limetime before night since I won't have another opportunity most likely.

Would be fine with a gkrieg lynch, but will wait for a bit.

Not going to confirm who I'm investigating tonight for obvious reasons.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #694 on: March 12, 2016, 12:54:06 pm »

Weren't you really against my Gkrieg votes earlier?

yes.
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« Reply #695 on: March 12, 2016, 12:55:22 pm »

I can understand the chairs votes.
His vote has been all over the place.
But this is his normal playstyle. There's basically no way to read him this early on, so why try?
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #696 on: March 12, 2016, 01:02:13 pm »

I'm kind of busy with my fiancee right now which I admit is making me even more sheepy than usual.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #697 on: March 12, 2016, 01:04:44 pm »

That's L-2.

OK,  Limetime can wait.
vote: gkrieg L-1.

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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #698 on: March 12, 2016, 01:05:39 pm »

What is the case on me again? 

I'm gonna be gone for the rest of the day most likely, so I'll claim right now.

I'm a watcher

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #699 on: March 12, 2016, 01:11:52 pm »

Any modifier?

This feels like a lot of investigative roles.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #700 on: March 12, 2016, 01:26:18 pm »

vote: rr
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #701 on: March 12, 2016, 01:29:09 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #702 on: March 12, 2016, 01:30:32 pm »

This feels like exactly what I said was going to happen!

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #703 on: March 12, 2016, 01:32:43 pm »

Just woke up. People are making all the claims it seems.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #704 on: March 12, 2016, 01:32:48 pm »

I don't think that is l-1.

Still want an answer from gkrieg before I unvote.  I don't think it's a believable claim without a modifier.

WW what feels like what, sorry? I don't remember whatever it is youre referring to.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #705 on: March 12, 2016, 01:34:43 pm »

Vote Count 1.23

Haddock (2): Ichimaru Gin, Limetime
gkrieg13 (4): e, Roadrunner7671, chairs, Haddock
Roadrunner7671 (3): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle
chairs (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Witherweaver

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #706 on: March 12, 2016, 01:46:44 pm »

I don't think that is l-1.

Still want an answer from gkrieg before I unvote.  I don't think it's a believable claim without a modifier.

WW what feels like what, sorry? I don't remember whatever it is youre referring to.

I said that we should just lynch RR instead of out a bunch of PRs. 
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« Reply #707 on: March 12, 2016, 01:48:46 pm »

vote: rr this is silly.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #708 on: March 12, 2016, 01:51:54 pm »

vote: rr this is silly.
No, this is silly.
I'm a claimed cop. You can lynch me tomorrow but get results.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #709 on: March 12, 2016, 01:54:35 pm »

Does noone agree with me that an unmodified watcher does not feel believable in an RMM game, particularly as the third investigative role?
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #710 on: March 12, 2016, 01:56:33 pm »

Does noone agree with me that an unmodified watcher does not feel believable in an RMM game, particularly as the third investigative role?
I am positive that this game has an investigation theme, but no modifier seems crazy.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #711 on: March 12, 2016, 01:57:40 pm »

vote: chairs

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #712 on: March 12, 2016, 02:13:05 pm »

I have something about my role that I'll wait to share.
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« Reply #713 on: March 12, 2016, 02:13:53 pm »

As in a modifier
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #714 on: March 12, 2016, 02:16:24 pm »

Gahhhhh.
If it weren't four hours to deadline I would not be satisfied by that. But what choice do I have.

vote: RR

There are several better options imo. But noone agrees.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #715 on: March 12, 2016, 02:17:54 pm »

I am willing to

vote: chairs
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #716 on: March 12, 2016, 02:18:33 pm »

Gahhhhh.
If it weren't four hours to deadline I would not be satisfied by that. But what choice do I have.

vote: RR

There are several better options imo. But noone agrees.
Other people agre. If no ond joins my wagon one of those better options will happen.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #717 on: March 12, 2016, 02:18:57 pm »

Gogo rr
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #718 on: March 12, 2016, 02:20:12 pm »

Vote Count 1.24

Haddock (1): Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (5): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle, chairs, Haddock {L-2}
chairs (3): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin, e

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Witherweaver

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #719 on: March 12, 2016, 02:20:59 pm »

I will obviously move my vote to get a lynch through when we need it.

But what we need is PPS and WW to put votes back on the board
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #720 on: March 12, 2016, 02:21:58 pm »

Chairs is a bad bad vote.
I don't agree with it at all.

Um I think ichi and e have spent 90% of today voting for the same people. Too late to do anything about it, but I do not like it. Either one of them is sheeping too much or something dodgy is going on.

So, RR, or limetime. Or still gkrieg imo. These are my options. I don't think enough people want either of those for it to happen. So I'm stuck with RR.  Not the best.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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« Reply #721 on: March 12, 2016, 02:23:07 pm »

@mod: if deadline is reached with no majority vote is it a no lynch or will the person with the plurality of the votes get lynched?
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« Reply #722 on: March 12, 2016, 02:26:39 pm »

9/14

That is the stat for chair's activity.  9 votes.  14 posts.  All of them largely unexplained other than the fact that he is very busy IRL right now and acknowledges that his votes are sheepy.

So yeah.  Not much to go off there.  Investigations and everything will clear stuff up.  And I honestly don't mind forcing a few claims D1 in a closed RMM setup.

I like pushing forward with chairs.
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« Reply #723 on: March 12, 2016, 02:26:57 pm »

@mod: if deadline is reached with no majority vote is it a no lynch or will the person with the plurality of the votes get lynched?

There is a no-lynch.

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« Reply #724 on: March 12, 2016, 02:27:49 pm »

No, e, sorry that's not a good case on chairs. This is how chairs always is. We have to wait to see what his vote history looks like once we have some flips.
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« Reply #725 on: March 12, 2016, 02:28:27 pm »

No, e, sorry that's not a good case on chairs. This is how chairs always is. We have to wait to see what his vote history looks like once we have some flips.

Or we examine his voting history based on his flip.  Yeah, I like my option better.
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« Reply #726 on: March 12, 2016, 02:30:54 pm »

I think chairs is town, so eh?

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« Reply #727 on: March 12, 2016, 02:31:54 pm »

What? No.
I couldn't disagree more. The chairs thing is bad.
Given that his playstyle so far is alignment neutral (which it is), that means he's more likely to be town than not.
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« Reply #728 on: March 12, 2016, 02:32:19 pm »

PPE needed above. I was responding to e.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #729 on: March 12, 2016, 02:32:29 pm »

I have something about my role that I'll wait to share.
Your alignment?
What is the case on me again? 

I'm gonna be gone for the rest of the day most likely, so I'll claim right now.

I'm a watcher
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« Reply #730 on: March 12, 2016, 02:34:01 pm »

I am going for chairs or gkrieg.  I will switch to RR in about 3 hours.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #731 on: March 12, 2016, 02:37:46 pm »

The fact that gkrieg left "town" off of his role claim makes me more likely to believe he's town.

Chairs drastically switched his stance on Awaclus during the day without any song and dance which makes me inclined to believe he's town as well.
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« Reply #732 on: March 12, 2016, 02:45:02 pm »

Vote: Roadrunner
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« Reply #733 on: March 12, 2016, 02:45:18 pm »

L-1 I think
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« Reply #734 on: March 12, 2016, 02:46:30 pm »

GG. I don't think there's anything left that I can say.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #735 on: March 12, 2016, 02:51:40 pm »

GG. I don't think there's anything left that I can say.
Claiming a nontown alignment is very dangerous.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #736 on: March 12, 2016, 02:53:01 pm »

GG. I don't think there's anything left that I can say.
Claiming a nontown alignment is very dangerous.
In this instance it didn't seem to be.

Getting cop results then lynching me on D2 is strictly better then what we're doing right now.
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« Reply #737 on: March 12, 2016, 02:54:38 pm »

That's if we believe your cop claim, which is harder to believe when you're claimed nontown
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« Reply #738 on: March 12, 2016, 02:55:19 pm »

And even harder to believe your results when you claim you might lie about them in thread
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #739 on: March 12, 2016, 02:57:41 pm »

And even harder to believe your results when you claim you might lie about them in thread
I claimed that because I didn't want to get NKed.
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« Reply #740 on: March 12, 2016, 03:02:10 pm »

And even harder to believe your results when you claim you might lie about them in thread
I claimed that because I didn't want to get NKed.
Obviously, but if you want scum to believe that you shouldn't be surprised when town believes it too.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #741 on: March 12, 2016, 03:52:36 pm »

ok, lets go ahead and finish this

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« Reply #742 on: March 12, 2016, 04:00:22 pm »

Oh well.
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« Reply #743 on: March 12, 2016, 04:00:40 pm »

This game'll be fun to watch.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #744 on: March 12, 2016, 04:04:29 pm »

I'm going to Cop someone I think is towny tonight, as a way to check my sanity.
If I die, whoever gets my result will know why I targetted who I did.
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« Reply #745 on: March 12, 2016, 04:06:41 pm »

Should I full claim before I flip?
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« Reply #746 on: March 12, 2016, 04:08:41 pm »

Should I full claim before I flip?
Might as well, if you don't do anything else you're def going to be lynched.
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« Reply #747 on: March 12, 2016, 04:13:08 pm »

Should I full claim before I flip?
Might as well, if you don't do anything else you're def going to be lynched.
I'm already lynched!
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« Reply #748 on: March 12, 2016, 04:14:21 pm »

Just confirmed that.
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« Reply #749 on: March 12, 2016, 04:15:19 pm »

Then troll to your heart's content.
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« Reply #750 on: March 12, 2016, 04:21:06 pm »

Thread locked!

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« Reply #751 on: March 12, 2016, 04:23:04 pm »

Vote Count 1 Final

Haddock (1): Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (7): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle, chairs, Haddock, Witherweaver, e
chairs (2): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #752 on: March 12, 2016, 04:25:25 pm »

Roadrunner has been lynched. He was a Town-Aligned Cop.

Axxle has died. He was a Town-Aligned Lover, Gambler.

Night 1 begins now and ends at March 14, 4 PM Forum Time. Night Actions may be submitted up until 1 hour before the deadline.

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« Reply #753 on: March 15, 2016, 10:51:58 am »

I missed the Deadline by a bit. Apologies.

Day 2 start!

Vote Count 2.0:

Not Voting (10): Awaclus, gkrieg13, Hydrad, pingpongsam, 2.71828....., Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, chairs, Haddock, Limetime

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« Reply #754 on: March 15, 2016, 10:59:48 am »

Anyone want to take a guess as to why there was no NK?
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« Reply #755 on: March 15, 2016, 11:12:25 am »

Anyone want to take a guess as to why there was no NK?

I guess it's just RMM
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« Reply #756 on: March 15, 2016, 11:13:00 am »

Also I missed the part where RR was town?  I thought he claimed survivor?
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« Reply #757 on: March 15, 2016, 11:26:37 am »

Also I missed the part where RR was town?  I thought he claimed survivor?

Maybe the cop insanity manifested in the form of his own PM giving him the wrong alignment!
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #758 on: March 15, 2016, 11:33:57 am »

Yeah, I -really- don't understand RR's survivor cop claim. If he'd said he was a town cop, we would probably have just left him alone and moved on.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #759 on: March 15, 2016, 11:46:04 am »

Yeah if there's not something hidden going on in RR then that's a big mistake from him. I don't understand why you would do that. I guess to avoid the NK? Weird.

I'm amazed I'm alive.

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« Reply #760 on: March 15, 2016, 11:52:33 am »

Generally speaking that's a reasonable decision.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #761 on: March 15, 2016, 11:57:47 am »

RR lied. town should generally never lie. He got what happens to lying town. I think the bit he was withholding was knowing he was a lover. Generally lovers know they are lovers but not with who. Axxle was on his wagon and would have probably gotten off if the lover bit had come out.

So, that was a piss poor D1 with the only consolation being the NK didn't happen so we are effectively at the same point in souls we would have been if the lovers hadn't triggered. In fact, it may be a plus since having the lovers trigger late game could be a catastrophe that could not be mitigated at that stage.

I would like to hear Ichi describe who he targeted last night.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #762 on: March 15, 2016, 12:01:45 pm »

I would like to hear Ichi describe who he targeted last night.
But you already know, don't you?

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« Reply #763 on: March 15, 2016, 12:04:13 pm »

The old tracker soft claim eh?

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« Reply #764 on: March 15, 2016, 12:06:27 pm »

I targeted WW. Not claiming more than that atm.

Also heading to class soon.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #765 on: March 15, 2016, 12:16:59 pm »

I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.

So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.
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« Reply #766 on: March 15, 2016, 12:18:05 pm »

Oh I see

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« Reply #767 on: March 15, 2016, 12:21:13 pm »

I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.

So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.
Well I wish you wouldn't have done that.

I won't be flipping scum, so I'm not sure what's been gained, but this makes me feel pretty townie about PPS.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #768 on: March 15, 2016, 12:21:42 pm »

I targeted WW. Not claiming more than that atm.

Also heading to class soon.

Have you claimed your role before?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #769 on: March 15, 2016, 12:21:55 pm »

I targeted WW. Not claiming more than that atm.

Also heading to class soon.

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Nope.

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« Reply #770 on: March 15, 2016, 12:22:37 pm »

I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.

So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.

Do you have reason to doubt a RB would prevent a NK?  Isn't Strongman basically the only case where it doesn't?
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« Reply #771 on: March 15, 2016, 12:23:27 pm »

I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.

So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.

Do you have reason to doubt a RB would prevent a NK?  Isn't Strongman basically the only case where it doesn't?
I did think that was an odd thing to ask as well.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #772 on: March 15, 2016, 12:29:03 pm »

Seems like IG  wouldn't have claimed his target accurately if he was scum though so I'm not sold this makes ww an ic.

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« Reply #773 on: March 15, 2016, 12:29:35 pm »

I'll go ahead and take an IC anyway.  For the team.
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« Reply #774 on: March 15, 2016, 12:31:04 pm »

It's also possible the nk was blocked some other way.

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« Reply #775 on: March 15, 2016, 12:31:44 pm »

Oh, by the way I'm a friendly neighbor and targeted e, so I should be an IC as soon as he gets in here (unless he's scum and wants to out himself).
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« Reply #776 on: March 15, 2016, 12:32:07 pm »

I'm not the most popular NK choice, so that's reasonable.  Especially since we had a couple claimants.
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« Reply #777 on: March 15, 2016, 12:32:22 pm »

Oh, by the way I'm a friendly neighbor and targeted e, so I should be an IC as soon as he gets in here (unless he's scum and wants to out himself).

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« Reply #778 on: March 15, 2016, 12:33:45 pm »

Oh, by the way I'm a friendly neighbor and targeted e, so I should be an IC as soon as he gets in here (unless he's scum and wants to out himself).

What's friendly neighbor?

It's just the mafiascum definition.
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« Reply #779 on: March 15, 2016, 12:36:57 pm »

I'm on mobile,  can you explain it for me?

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« Reply #780 on: March 15, 2016, 12:37:55 pm »

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Friendly_Neighbor

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« Reply #781 on: March 15, 2016, 01:39:46 pm »

I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.

So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.

Do you have reason to doubt a RB would prevent a NK?  Isn't Strongman basically the only case where it doesn't?

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #782 on: March 15, 2016, 01:47:57 pm »

Seems like IG  wouldn't have claimed his target accurately if he was scum though so I'm not sold this makes ww an ic.
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« Reply #783 on: March 15, 2016, 02:06:05 pm »

Seems like IG  wouldn't have claimed his target accurately if he was scum though so I'm not sold this makes ww an ic.
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You would have told the truth to not look scummy as hell when I claimed to have watched you or whatever role gives the name of your target.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #784 on: March 15, 2016, 02:25:24 pm »

Seems like IG  wouldn't have claimed his target accurately if he was scum though so I'm not sold this makes ww an ic.
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You would have told the truth to not look scummy as hell when I claimed to have watched you or whatever role gives the name of your target.

tracker/watcher, depending on the way you'd claimed.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #785 on: March 15, 2016, 02:39:16 pm »

Seems like IG  wouldn't have claimed his target accurately if he was scum though so I'm not sold this makes ww an ic.
Town points to chairs.
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You would have told the truth to not look scummy as hell when I claimed to have watched you or whatever role gives the name of your target.
Why would you ask what you did as a tracker though?
Honestly, im probably not sophisticated enough to pretend to act as if i thought you were a tracker and actually thought you weren't before answering though.
Still something to think about.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #786 on: March 15, 2016, 02:40:18 pm »

PPE
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #787 on: March 15, 2016, 02:42:04 pm »

I'm also concerned that this could be scum pps trying to sow seeds of confusion in hopes of mass claim as the result,  which could out any potential protective roles.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #788 on: March 15, 2016, 02:44:29 pm »

I have been known as someone who claims easily. Been trying to work on it. Maybe thats why PPS said he targeted me though.

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« Reply #789 on: March 15, 2016, 03:07:23 pm »

I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.

So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.

Do you have reason to doubt a RB would prevent a NK?  Isn't Strongman basically the only case where it doesn't?

Yes, I wasn't sure if there was  specific member of the scum team the NK action was attributed to. I made sure to clarify that were I to RB the correct scum member that the NK would in fact be blocked.

Huh?  I've never seen the NK not be an action taken by one of the players.
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« Reply #790 on: March 15, 2016, 03:07:37 pm »

I'm also concerned that this could be scum pps trying to sow seeds of confusion in hopes of mass claim as the result,  which could out any potential protective roles.

You would be extremely hard pressed to ever find a point where I supported much less pushed for mass claim (as either alignment).
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« Reply #791 on: March 15, 2016, 03:08:27 pm »

I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.

So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.

Do you have reason to doubt a RB would prevent a NK?  Isn't Strongman basically the only case where it doesn't?

Yes, I wasn't sure if there was  specific member of the scum team the NK action was attributed to. I made sure to clarify that were I to RB the correct scum member that the NK would in fact be blocked.

Huh?  I've never seen the NK not be an action taken by one of the players.

I've gotten pedantic lately about mod clarification since I have made too many assumptions in the past.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #792 on: March 15, 2016, 03:35:07 pm »

and we are back.

oh and claims already.

hmm I believe PPS as that doesn't sound like something scum would come up with.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #793 on: March 15, 2016, 03:57:50 pm »

I don't know who to believe of PPS and IG. 
I thought IG looked worse at first, but now I'm swinging across.  If forced maybe I'd say PPS looks worse.  But it's equally likely that they're both town.

I think a vote: gkrieg is very much in order.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #794 on: March 15, 2016, 04:02:35 pm »

I personally think they're both town.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #795 on: March 15, 2016, 04:03:17 pm »

I could go for sheeping the fish.  vote: gkrieg

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« Reply #796 on: March 15, 2016, 04:24:22 pm »

I am good with a vote: ichi

And yeah, I was informed that awaclus is town.
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« Reply #797 on: March 15, 2016, 04:31:08 pm »

E seems really townie. That means that awaclus is Town as well.
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« Reply #798 on: March 15, 2016, 04:47:19 pm »

I'd like to hear any alternative explanations for the missing NK.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #799 on: March 15, 2016, 05:07:37 pm »

Oh, by the way I'm a friendly neighbor and targeted e, so I should be an IC as soon as he gets in here (unless he's scum and wants to out himself).

With questionable sanities for cops plus other things that could affect results IC might be a little strong, but enough for a pass from me at least
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #800 on: March 15, 2016, 05:29:44 pm »

I'd like to hear any alternative explanations for the missing NK.

A doctor, another roleblocker, a jailkeeper, 1-shot BP. All potential NK prevention.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #801 on: March 15, 2016, 05:43:12 pm »

I don't see any need to claim my modifier and the result I got last night doesn't really help anything right now.
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« Reply #802 on: March 15, 2016, 05:44:09 pm »

Actually,  vote: WW

He was on my scummy list yesterday
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« Reply #803 on: March 15, 2016, 05:46:26 pm »

I'd go ww or chairs today. I think I'm leaning more towards chairs though.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #804 on: March 15, 2016, 06:28:50 pm »

I will support a Vote: Ichi
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #805 on: March 15, 2016, 06:33:40 pm »

So IG you jumped up some scum points! hurrah!
You know I have to vote you now.

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« Reply #806 on: March 15, 2016, 06:34:15 pm »

I will support a Vote: Ichi
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« Reply #807 on: March 15, 2016, 06:35:32 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #808 on: March 15, 2016, 06:37:33 pm »

Damn. That's one of my favorite songs.
Guess you're an IC to me now.

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« Reply #809 on: March 15, 2016, 06:40:30 pm »

Buddying!
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #810 on: March 15, 2016, 06:41:14 pm »

Wait, you're not my buddy?

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #811 on: March 15, 2016, 06:53:33 pm »

Sorry, that question may not have any good answers.

I'm just trying to have fun. I'm glad that so much stuff is happening in this game, ya know.

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« Reply #812 on: March 15, 2016, 08:30:16 pm »

I'd like to hear any alternative explanations for the missing NK.

A doctor, another roleblocker, a jailkeeper, 1-shot BP. All potential NK prevention.

Thank you, captain obvious. I meant more along the lines of "I jailkept player and no NK means he might be scum". Clearly if the claim is bad for town like, say, Doctor, then you keep quiet.
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« Reply #813 on: March 15, 2016, 10:20:51 pm »

Why am I voting WW again?  I like my Ichi vote better.

vote: Ichi
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« Reply #814 on: March 15, 2016, 10:35:55 pm »

Vote Count 2.1

Ichimaru Gin (2): Witherweaver, e
gkrieg13 (2): Haddock, chairs
chairs (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (5): Awaclus, pingpongsam, Ichimaru Gin, Limetime, Hydrad

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« Reply #815 on: March 15, 2016, 10:36:29 pm »

I'm not sure why I have votes at all.
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« Reply #816 on: March 15, 2016, 10:45:43 pm »

I'm not sure why I have votes at all.

because you are scummy
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« Reply #817 on: March 16, 2016, 03:24:23 am »

I'm not sure why I have votes at all.

because you are scummy
Word.

Your claim is very hard to believe, as much as anything else.

I'd like to hear any alternative explanations for the missing NK.

A doctor, another roleblocker, a jailkeeper, 1-shot BP. All potential NK prevention.

Thank you, captain obvious. I meant more along the lines of "I jailkept player and no NK means he might be scum". Clearly if the claim is bad for town like, say, Doctor, then you keep quiet.
I don't think I like your trying to get people to out themselves.  I see that there's a town motivation for it - you think you can out Ichi - but if you're town you should realise that the existence of a protective role is not that unlikely and if there is then there's a good chance it would prevent the kill since there was an obvious kill target (myself).
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« Reply #818 on: March 16, 2016, 03:29:35 am »

Actually I'm back to thinking there was scum on my wagon.

vote: Witherweaver is the obvious choice.  The scummiest of vote histories.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #819 on: March 16, 2016, 03:30:16 am »

Wait, what?  No, I meant vote: Limetime !!

Brain fade, sorry.  It's early.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #820 on: March 16, 2016, 08:18:34 am »

Wait, what?  No, I meant vote: Limetime !!

Brain fade, sorry.  It's early.
Just because I voted for you means I'm scum. OK
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #821 on: March 16, 2016, 11:52:56 am »

No, you're scummy because your entire vote history, including how those votes arose, is scummy. And you've done nothing towny to mitigate it.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #822 on: March 16, 2016, 11:57:33 am »

unvote. I'm not sure I follow Haddock's thinking here, and that makes me nervous about blindly fallowing this vote.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #823 on: March 16, 2016, 11:59:09 am »

Wait, what?  No, I meant vote: Limetime !!

Brain fade, sorry.  It's early.
Just because I voted for you means I'm scum. OK

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #824 on: March 16, 2016, 11:59:25 am »

Oh, you guys are talking about yesterday's votes.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #825 on: March 16, 2016, 12:00:18 pm »

I like

Vote: Gkrieg
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #826 on: March 16, 2016, 12:03:17 pm »

I'm happy with either gkrieg or limetime here.

Chairs I get what you're saying. It seems my finding limetime scummy is pretty unusual, so i can see how that would give you pause.

But you either believe my claim or you don't.  If you do then it follows that my gkrieg vote is, at least, not scum driven.   If you don't,  vote for me instead!
I'm not asking you to follow me onto limetime.  But do have a look at his vote history and the context of all of his votes yesterday.  It looks pretty awful to me.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #827 on: March 16, 2016, 12:04:22 pm »

Hmm interesting
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #828 on: March 16, 2016, 12:43:53 pm »

I'm happy with either gkrieg or limetime here.

Chairs I get what you're saying. It seems my finding limetime scummy is pretty unusual, so i can see how that would give you pause.

But you either believe my claim or you don't.  If you do then it follows that my gkrieg vote is, at least, not scum driven.   If you don't,  vote for me instead!
I'm not asking you to follow me onto limetime.  But do have a look at his vote history and the context of all of his votes yesterday.  It looks pretty awful to me.

I'm not necessarily opposed, I just should actually read... which is totally what you're suggesting I do lol.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #829 on: March 16, 2016, 12:45:12 pm »

Hmm interesting
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #830 on: March 16, 2016, 12:47:24 pm »

Limetime definitely doesn't look awesome in D1.

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« Reply #831 on: March 16, 2016, 01:12:37 pm »

Vote Count 2.2

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (2): Haddock, chairs
chairs (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (5): Awaclus, pingpongsam, Ichimaru Gin, Limetime, Hydrad

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends at Mar 24, 6 PM forum time. That is in 8 days and 5+ hours.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #832 on: March 16, 2016, 02:09:17 pm »

Sorry it's been a busy couple of days.  I'll get more to this later today
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #833 on: March 16, 2016, 06:32:04 pm »

Ok. Here for a bit. I'm pretty busy with another test coming up tomorrow morning. I should have more time after that.

Other than that, not a lot to say atm. I will return though.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #834 on: March 16, 2016, 09:53:43 pm »

Sorry guys, I'm finally around

@Haddock, why was my claim scummy? 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #835 on: March 16, 2016, 09:54:24 pm »

So I feel good about Awaclus being town.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #836 on: March 16, 2016, 09:57:13 pm »

The IG / PPS thing is pretty interesting.

I think it is pretty safe to assume that there are other reasons beside the roleblock that can explain the lack of NK.  It is definitely something to keep on the back burner though.

The way PPS seems so sure about it is kinda assertive, so I guess I lean more scum on him.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #837 on: March 16, 2016, 10:01:44 pm »

I'm feeling on the scummier side for Limetime.  I also just learned that he is only 14, but has a very different style than RR.  But I definitely would lynch him today.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #838 on: March 16, 2016, 10:03:25 pm »

But you either believe my claim or you don't.  If you do then it follows that my gkrieg vote is, at least, not scum driven.   If you don't,  vote for me instead!

I don't get what you are going for here
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #839 on: March 16, 2016, 10:34:55 pm »

The IG / PPS thing is pretty interesting.

I think it is pretty safe to assume that there are other reasons beside the roleblock that can explain the lack of NK.  It is definitely something to keep on the back burner though.

The way PPS seems so sure about it is kinda assertive, so I guess I lean more scum on him.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #840 on: March 16, 2016, 11:08:24 pm »

I have a wagon. Oh no, I don't know what to do.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #841 on: March 17, 2016, 12:29:22 am »

I have a wagon. Oh no, I don't know what to do.

You should ridicule them for voting for you for no reason whatsoever.  Then ask them for their reasons.  Hopefully they give you 3 points or something.  Then you take each point and destroy it by irrefutable logic.

Or get lynched because it is actually a decent case.  I don't know.  You do you.  Which, is, what exactly?  We don't know.  You should post more.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #842 on: March 17, 2016, 01:32:02 am »

You should ridicule them for voting for you for no reason whatsoever.  Then ask them for their reasons.  Hopefully they give you 3 points or something.  Then you take each point and destroy it by irrefutable logic.

No, that's not what you should do. People don't need a reason to vote for you. Instead, what you should do is present evidence suggesting that you're town to convince the voters to vote for someone else instead.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #843 on: March 17, 2016, 03:41:15 am »

I'm feeling on the scummier side for Limetime.  I also just learned that he is only 14, but has a very different style than RR.  But I definitely would lynch him today.

vote: Limetime
He's only 14?  That tends to make reads less reliable.  I guess back to vote: gkrieg.  We can do Limetime later when we've seen more of him.

But you either believe my claim or you don't.  If you do then it follows that my gkrieg vote is, at least, not scum driven.   If you don't,  vote for me instead!

I don't get what you are going for here
Well I was talking to chairs, who doesn't seem to have a problem following it.  But I thought it was pretty clear - what's your issue with it?

Sorry guys, I'm finally around

@Haddock, why was my claim scummy? 
Too many investigative roles have been claimed.  The existence of several non-investigative roles kills the idea of there being an investigation theme.  And you still haven't claimed a modifier.  That's plenty.

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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #844 on: March 17, 2016, 05:57:19 am »

Post. When I wake up I'll try to do more. Sorry
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #845 on: March 17, 2016, 09:16:01 am »

I'm feeling on the scummier side for Limetime.  I also just learned that he is only 14, but has a very different style than RR.  But I definitely would lynch him today.

vote: Limetime
He's only 14?  That tends to make reads less reliable.  I guess back to vote: gkrieg.  We can do Limetime later when we've seen more of him.

But you either believe my claim or you don't.  If you do then it follows that my gkrieg vote is, at least, not scum driven.   If you don't,  vote for me instead!

I don't get what you are going for here
Well I was talking to chairs, who doesn't seem to have a problem following it.  But I thought it was pretty clear - what's your issue with it?

Sorry guys, I'm finally around

@Haddock, why was my claim scummy? 
Too many investigative roles have been claimed.  The existence of several non-investigative roles kills the idea of there being an investigation theme.  And you still haven't claimed a modifier.  That's plenty.

If people really want me to claim I can claim, but it seriously weakens my role. I could also claim targets if you like. They could verify
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #846 on: March 17, 2016, 11:48:50 am »

You should obviously do what you think best.
But without something more from you I remain unconvinced, and am happy to leave my vote here.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #847 on: March 17, 2016, 11:57:02 am »

I don't see  a reason not to claim targets.  I'm not sure about the rest.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #848 on: March 17, 2016, 02:22:06 pm »

Why is gkrieg even discussing claiming under practically no pressure?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #849 on: March 17, 2016, 02:23:23 pm »

He already claimed yesterday.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #850 on: March 17, 2016, 02:24:05 pm »

Well, part-claimed.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #851 on: March 17, 2016, 02:40:03 pm »

I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #852 on: March 17, 2016, 02:41:21 pm »

I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.

I verify, and Awaclus already claimed.  Interesting.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #853 on: March 17, 2016, 02:42:22 pm »

Why target e?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #854 on: March 17, 2016, 02:58:09 pm »

He seemed pretty townie.  I thought he might be NKd
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #855 on: March 17, 2016, 03:00:30 pm »

Wouldn't Haddock me a more likely target?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #856 on: March 17, 2016, 03:00:54 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #857 on: March 17, 2016, 03:05:13 pm »

I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.

Have to admit that seems awfully convenient to claim the one of two things we already know happened last night.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #858 on: March 17, 2016, 03:07:27 pm »

I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.

Have to admit that seems awfully convenient to claim the one of two things we already know happened last night.

It's a bit of a stretch for him to correctly guess that I targeted e.  There are, however, ways he could know this and still be lying.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #859 on: March 17, 2016, 03:12:18 pm »

Yeah, I have to say I would've pegged Haddock as the likely NK target myself.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #860 on: March 17, 2016, 03:12:57 pm »

Sadly, I don't have any useful data from my night action :(

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #861 on: March 17, 2016, 03:42:07 pm »

Yeah, I have to say I would've pegged Haddock as the likely NK target myself.

I actually just think that we will have a lot of cops in this setup, so I guess he didn't seem super likely as a NK.
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« Reply #862 on: March 17, 2016, 03:57:13 pm »

Fair enough.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #863 on: March 17, 2016, 06:34:17 pm »

hokay!

so I am kinda lost right now. Might need to do a quick reread.

lets try that now! wooo
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #864 on: March 17, 2016, 06:38:48 pm »

gah I'm having trouble keeping track of PRs. I'm gunna make a list.

PPS: RB
IG: targetted WW (got blocked most likely)
Awaclus: Friendly neighbour
E: verified awaclus
gkrieg: targeted e and saw that WW and awaclus targeted him also. (kinda watcher?)
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I think thats all I know.

Did I miss any?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #865 on: March 17, 2016, 06:54:56 pm »

gah I'm having trouble keeping track of PRs. I'm gunna make a list.

PPS: RB
IG: targetted WW (got blocked most likely)
Awaclus: Friendly neighbour
E: verified awaclus
gkrieg: targeted e and saw that WW and awaclus targeted him also. (kinda watcher?)
WW: can target.
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I think thats all I know.

Did I miss any?

Looks good from my end.  I am a watcher though, not just kinda
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #866 on: March 17, 2016, 07:12:06 pm »

I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.

Have to admit that seems awfully convenient to claim the one of two things we already know happened last night.

It's a bit of a stretch for him to correctly guess that I targeted e.  There are, however, ways he could know this and still be lying.

Okay, I missed the bit where he independently verified something not yet public knowledge.
Although, a WW, gkrieg, e scum team is not out of the question.
I mean, you know I had to.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #867 on: March 17, 2016, 07:26:18 pm »

Vote Count 2.3

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (2): Witherweaver, Haddock
Limetime (2): chairs, gkrieg13

Not Voting (5): Awaclus, pingpongsam, Ichimaru Gin, Limetime, Hydrad

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« Reply #868 on: March 18, 2016, 01:52:52 am »

gah I'm having trouble keeping track of PRs. I'm gunna make a list.

PPS: RB
IG: targetted WW (got blocked most likely)
Awaclus: Friendly neighbour
E: verified awaclus
gkrieg: targeted e and saw that WW and awaclus targeted him also. (kinda watcher?)
WW: can target.
Hydrad: Most strongest and cool ability that is totally a secret but really good

I think thats all I know.

Did I miss any?
Also I'm a persistent cop.  But haven't yet claimed my target.

unvote, by the way.  gkrieg's correct tracking of e seems hard as scum.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #869 on: March 18, 2016, 04:41:39 am »

Vote: Limetime i guess
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #870 on: March 18, 2016, 02:21:26 pm »

Wow. I'm getting pretty behind on this game.
Class again today. I will really, really try to get some stuff down tonight.
And it looks like even more people have claimed now?

What's the case on Limetime?

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« Reply #871 on: March 18, 2016, 02:25:32 pm »

Horrific vote history and vote-context.
I feel bad. He's fourteen and he's new. But his yesterday looks awful.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #872 on: March 18, 2016, 02:27:23 pm »

I'm ok with a vote: Limetime for now then.
I'm not sure how to tell new player behavior from scum behavior so much, but you're right that it's not looking good.

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« Reply #873 on: March 18, 2016, 02:48:24 pm »

Vote Count 2.4

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (5): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin {L-1}

Not Voting (3): Awaclus, pingpongsam, Limetime

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #874 on: March 18, 2016, 02:50:07 pm »

Guess I should have been paying more attention  :P

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #875 on: March 18, 2016, 02:56:32 pm »

Why exactly do i have a wagon?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #876 on: March 18, 2016, 03:07:27 pm »

Time for the Lime to Chime... in, that is.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #877 on: March 18, 2016, 03:08:10 pm »

Why exactly do i have a wagon?

Either because you are scum or half of the wagon is scum. Which is more likely?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #878 on: March 18, 2016, 03:14:15 pm »

Personally, I feel like being a new player is definitely a D1 pass, always... unless there is like the opposite of an IC where you are mod-confirmed scum. Even then, that sounds like a trap.

That said, rolling scum is a matter of chance and we are here to lynch scum. So, if you are new and rolled scum then I don't think you get any kind of pass beyond D1.

Also, being young in age is so not a thing to pass for. If anything, those people have that many more years to play games of Mafia us geezers probably don't have so the pass preference should for those of us long in the tooth who are playing some of the last games of our lives, right?

I mean, we send the youngest to die in wars so why can't we kill them in Mafia?

None of the above should be construed as my preference for a LimeAde Lunchtime. I'm largely ambivalent about that.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #879 on: March 18, 2016, 03:19:37 pm »

Horrific vote history and vote-context.
I feel bad. He's fourteen and he's new. But his yesterday looks awful.

The context might be bad, but I didn't think his voting history is that bad.  He votes for 4 different people.  Haddock, RR, e, and Hydrad.  He switches between them and ultimately is not on a mislynch.  He has a few sheepy votes, which isn't horrible for a newbie.

So I guess I want an explanation for why you think his vote history and context were that bad.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #880 on: March 18, 2016, 04:19:15 pm »

Why exactly do i have a wagon?

Either because you are scum or half of the wagon is scum. Which is more likely?
False dichotomy.
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« Reply #881 on: March 18, 2016, 09:28:25 pm »

Why exactly do i have a wagon?

Either because you are scum or half of the wagon is scum. Which is more likely?
False dichotomy.

I don't disagree but it is the answer to your question.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #882 on: March 19, 2016, 01:55:27 am »

I believe gkrieg. 

So town right now is Haddock, e, gkrieg, and other townie people
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« Reply #883 on: March 19, 2016, 01:55:42 am »

like pps.  he is totally town
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #884 on: March 19, 2016, 01:57:33 am »

L-1.  htat is super dangerous right now.  because #hammerstats are a thing.  I DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY!!!!  Ashersky agrees with me.  Hammer stats are cool
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« Reply #885 on: March 19, 2016, 01:58:49 am »

but no....iwont lynh right now.  probably just do wrong snytaz anwyaay
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #886 on: March 19, 2016, 02:22:31 am »

Why exactly do i have a wagon?

Why exactly should you not have a wagon?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #887 on: March 19, 2016, 03:16:55 am »

The context might be bad, but I didn't think his voting history is that bad.  He votes for 4 different people.  Haddock, RR, e, and Hydrad.  He switches between them and ultimately is not on a mislynch.  He has a few sheepy votes, which isn't horrible for a newbie.

So I guess I want an explanation for why you think his vote history and context were that bad.
If you don't see what I see, I don't really know what to tell you.  The timing of the votes is suspicious in every case, he's hopping from wagon to wagon like he's desperate to get a lynch through and he's not voting in good places - the exception being Hydrad, maybe, who I found scummy as well. 
Plus I'm utterly convinced that there was at least one scum on my wagon - with some PoE mixed in that leaves Limetime as one of only a couple of options. 

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #888 on: March 19, 2016, 09:01:49 am »

Yeah hammer stats, this has been a hard game for me with these prolonged L-1. It's really teaching me some things about who I really am.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #889 on: March 19, 2016, 09:07:37 am »

I still need a explanation for why I am scum.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #890 on: March 19, 2016, 09:08:57 am »

I still need a explanation for why I am scum.

No you don't. We need an explanation for why you're town.
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« Reply #891 on: March 19, 2016, 09:10:29 am »

I still need a explanation for why I am scum.

No you don't. We need an explanation for why you're town.
I am town because I am not scum.
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« Reply #892 on: March 19, 2016, 09:17:10 am »

I still need a explanation for why I am scum.

No you don't. We need an explanation for why you're town.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #893 on: March 19, 2016, 09:19:35 am »

Intent to hammer
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« Reply #894 on: March 19, 2016, 09:30:44 am »

I still need a explanation for why I am scum.

No you don't. We need an explanation for why you're town.
Also onus probandi

That's not how it works in Mafia. I don't need to convince you that you're scum; I can vote for you anyway because voting for you for any reason or no reason at all is allowed in the rules. You, however, need to convince me that you're town, because the rules don't provide you with any other way to prevent me from voting for you (in the vast majority of cases, anyway).
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« Reply #895 on: March 19, 2016, 09:40:04 am »

Reread the whole thing.
I considered myself null.
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« Reply #896 on: March 19, 2016, 09:45:22 am »

I wonder how many scum are on my wagon and whether one is going to hammer.
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« Reply #897 on: March 19, 2016, 09:51:15 am »

vote haddock
He gave very little evidence to why I should be lynched.

He was fairly scummy day 1. For reasons posted by E? Right before his almost lynch.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #898 on: March 19, 2016, 09:54:12 am »

Except....Haddock is a cop.  Would scum really vote for a cop?  I don't know.
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« Reply #899 on: March 19, 2016, 09:57:20 am »

Vote: Limetime
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #900 on: March 19, 2016, 10:09:32 am »

Hope he flips scum. Terrible defense if you want to call it that. New player so hard to tell if just floundering Town on the noose or completely need scum OMGUS tactic.

I think he was town but we shall see. If he ws scum I'm grieving the hammer I wanted but withheld from.
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« Reply #901 on: March 19, 2016, 10:10:05 am »

Need = newb
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« Reply #902 on: March 19, 2016, 10:10:30 am »

Also, if he flips scum this looks great for awacky
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« Reply #903 on: March 19, 2016, 10:22:52 am »

Also, if he flips scum this looks great for awacky

Well, the fact that e can confirm that I'm town already looks pretty great for me.
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« Reply #904 on: March 19, 2016, 10:55:36 am »

Thread locked!

Vote Count 2 Final

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime

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« Reply #905 on: March 19, 2016, 10:59:49 am »

Limetime has been lynched. He was Mafia-Aligned.

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« Reply #906 on: March 20, 2016, 05:21:25 pm »

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« Reply #907 on: March 21, 2016, 11:08:13 am »

Haddock has died in the night. He was a Town-Aligned Cop.

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« Reply #908 on: March 21, 2016, 11:09:55 am »

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« Reply #909 on: March 21, 2016, 11:14:32 am »

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (8): pingpongsam, chairs, gkrieg13, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus, e, Witherweaver

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« Reply #910 on: March 21, 2016, 11:23:11 am »

I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.
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« Reply #911 on: March 21, 2016, 11:31:35 am »

I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.

Are you sure it was WW?  I watched WW and Haddock didn't target him
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« Reply #912 on: March 21, 2016, 11:41:37 am »

Hmm.

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« Reply #913 on: March 21, 2016, 11:42:40 am »

vote: pps.

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« Reply #914 on: March 21, 2016, 11:48:22 am »

Hmm.

I targeted you last night. Did you receive it?

I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.

Are you sure it was WW?  I watched WW and Haddock didn't target him

That's what it says. It doesn't say when he got that result though, so unless you targeted WW both nights, it could be from N1.
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« Reply #915 on: March 21, 2016, 11:57:52 am »

I can confirm Awaclus is Town-Aligned.

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« Reply #916 on: March 21, 2016, 12:14:18 pm »

Interesting
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« Reply #917 on: March 21, 2016, 12:15:00 pm »

Vote: Ichi
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« Reply #918 on: March 21, 2016, 12:21:33 pm »


That's what it says. It doesn't say when he got that result though, so unless you targeted WW both nights, it could be from N1.

Oh duh.  That makes sense.
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« Reply #919 on: March 21, 2016, 12:22:12 pm »

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« Reply #920 on: March 21, 2016, 12:28:49 pm »

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« Reply #921 on: March 21, 2016, 12:58:00 pm »

because I think he's scum!

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« Reply #922 on: March 21, 2016, 12:59:30 pm »

because I think he's scum!

 8) 8) ;D

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« Reply #923 on: March 21, 2016, 01:08:25 pm »

because I think he's scum!

 8) 8) ;D

Well I think your scum :)

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« Reply #924 on: March 21, 2016, 01:11:14 pm »

because I think he's scum!

 8) 8) ;D

Well I think your scum :)

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If I was scum, why in blue blazes would I confirm Awaclus as Town?

Another, less obviously mislynchable player, maybe, but AWACLUS?

(No offense Awaclus - but you are one of the easiest to mislynch players in the game).

Well I think someone already confirmed him the first day. So you in confirming him would be a really weird move as scum.
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« Reply #925 on: March 21, 2016, 01:11:50 pm »

Unconfirming *
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« Reply #926 on: March 21, 2016, 01:13:44 pm »

Oh, good point. I didn't realize somebody had already confirmed him.

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« Reply #927 on: March 21, 2016, 01:16:45 pm »

Oh, good point. I didn't realize somebody had already confirmed him.

I was leaning scum on his reconfirmation (and not just omgus) but this here looks pretty townish.
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« Reply #928 on: March 21, 2016, 01:17:08 pm »

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« Reply #929 on: March 21, 2016, 01:17:37 pm »

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« Reply #932 on: March 21, 2016, 01:19:21 pm »

That said, what makes you think I am scum? Pretty sure I am about the least scummy person in here and that's saying a lot for me cause I am usually scummy regardless of my alignment. I presume your argument must be because town!pps would be more scummy?
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« Reply #933 on: March 21, 2016, 01:19:31 pm »

Vote Count 3.1

pingpongsam (1): chairs
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e (1): gkrieg13
chairs (1): Hydrad

Not Voting (4): Awaclus, Witherweaver, pingpongsam, Ichimaru Gin

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #934 on: March 21, 2016, 01:21:50 pm »

Vote: Ichi
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« Reply #935 on: March 21, 2016, 01:22:00 pm »

Feel pretty good about Awaclus being town. e looks fairly town (confirmation bias creeping in here). Hydrad strikes me more town than null.

gkrieg looks null to scum.

Ichi/chairs are a scum pair.
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« Reply #936 on: March 21, 2016, 01:22:45 pm »

Forgot WW. He's always scum even when he's town.
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« Reply #937 on: March 21, 2016, 01:23:55 pm »

Also forgot we already hit scum which changes my reads somewhat. Feel less confident on a Ichi/chairs pair but still feel great on Ichi being scum. Like he is scum for sure.
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« Reply #938 on: March 21, 2016, 01:24:32 pm »

Also forgot we already hit scum which changes my reads somewhat. Feel less confident on a Ichi/chairs pair but still feel great on Ichi being scum. Like he is scum for sure.
Well I know I'm not, so could you enlighten me as to how you know "for sure".

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« Reply #939 on: March 21, 2016, 01:25:39 pm »

Also forgot we already hit scum which changes my reads somewhat. Feel less confident on a Ichi/chairs pair but still feel great on Ichi being scum. Like he is scum for sure.
Well I know I'm not, so could you enlighten me as to how you know "for sure".

Nothing about you says town. I mean, we could go for the "too scummy to be scum" argument I suppose.
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« Reply #940 on: March 21, 2016, 01:26:19 pm »

The 3 most town people I know think Ichi is scum.
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« Reply #941 on: March 21, 2016, 01:26:55 pm »

I think that's patently unfair. I haven't been as active lately, but I've been busy with school and stuff. My vote on Limetime was mostly out of laziness, but I was right.

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« Reply #942 on: March 21, 2016, 01:28:34 pm »

I think that's patently unfair. I haven't been as active lately, but I've been busy with school and stuff. My vote on Limetime was mostly out of laziness, but I was right.

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« Reply #943 on: March 21, 2016, 01:30:45 pm »

I think that's patently unfair. I haven't been as active lately, but I've been busy with school and stuff. My vote on Limetime was mostly out of laziness, but I was right.

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Your vote on Limetime was giving up hope in your partner and trying to get town cred
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« Reply #944 on: March 21, 2016, 01:33:40 pm »

I think that's patently unfair. I haven't been as active lately, but I've been busy with school and stuff. My vote on Limetime was mostly out of laziness, but I was right.

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Your vote on Limetime was giving up hope in your partner and trying to get town cred
Well looks like you've got it all figured out. If people are convicted to see everything I do through a particular (scum) lens, it doesn't matter how townie I am.

Well, how townie are you?
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« Reply #945 on: March 21, 2016, 01:35:44 pm »

I think that's patently unfair. I haven't been as active lately, but I've been busy with school and stuff. My vote on Limetime was mostly out of laziness, but I was right.

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Your vote on Limetime was giving up hope in your partner and trying to get town cred
Well looks like you've got it all figured out. If people are convicted to see everything I do through a particular (scum) lens, it doesn't matter how townie I am.

Well, how townie are you?
Unfortunately, in this game, that's entirely determined by what other players think of me. It doesn't matter that I think I'm townie, the majority gets to decide what "townie" actually is.

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« Reply #946 on: March 21, 2016, 01:40:54 pm »

Unfortunately, in this game, that's entirely determined by what other players think of me. It doesn't matter that I think I'm townie, the majority gets to decide what "townie" actually is.

Well, it certainly doesn't matter that you think you're townie. What matters is why.
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« Reply #947 on: March 21, 2016, 01:45:51 pm »

Unfortunately, in this game, that's entirely determined by what other players think of me. It doesn't matter that I think I'm townie, the majority gets to decide what "townie" actually is.

Well, it certainly doesn't matter that you think you're townie. What matters is why.
Because I got a PM saying I am town, and I'm normally pretty obvious as town. I tried to get the game going for a long time, before losing some interest and then being more active when stuff actually started happening again. I'm limited in how much I can contribute because I'm pretty busy, but I had my vote on scum yesterday, and I feel really good about that.

This almost reminds me of Village where I told everyone I was going to be VLA and came in at the last minute to lynch (or hammer?) scum, and then everyone wanted to lynch me because they thought I bussed. I got NKed that night though, so they didn't have the chance.

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« Reply #948 on: March 21, 2016, 01:53:35 pm »

I think IG doesn't bus limetime yesterday as scum, personally.

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« Reply #949 on: March 21, 2016, 01:55:23 pm »

I will put together a case on e later today when I have time.  The most important point is that he hammered RR on a mislynch and was off-wagon for a scum lynch
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« Reply #950 on: March 21, 2016, 02:17:20 pm »

Because I got a PM saying I am town, and I'm normally pretty obvious as town.

Great. Can you point out specific instances of you being pretty obviously town in this game?
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« Reply #951 on: March 21, 2016, 02:24:23 pm »

Because I got a PM saying I am town, and I'm normally pretty obvious as town.

Great. Can you point out specific instances of you being pretty obviously town in this game?
What does that even mean? Clearly people have formed an opinion of me and when I tried to give examples already, they have their own ways to write them off as something scum would do.

I've never been concerned about projecting being townie because I'm used to people (eventually) realizing that towni!Ichi is town!Ichi. But you know, if me being alive is going to distract and people are just gonna want to lynch me at lylo or something, go ahead. I just want town to win, and it's not like I'm a really strong PR or anything.

I will claim if people want me to.

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« Reply #952 on: March 21, 2016, 02:27:54 pm »

So nobody saw somebody doing something last night? I mean, I targeted someone and I was hoping that would be a big old case against me today or something since my explanation for the target is super scummy sounding. I am not going to do the work for you, though.
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« Reply #953 on: March 21, 2016, 02:29:51 pm »

So nobody saw somebody doing something last night? I mean, I targeted someone and I was hoping that would be a big old case against me today or something since my explanation for the target is super scummy sounding. I am not going to do the work for you, though.

vote: pps. Literally the scummiest post in Mafia history short of "I am the SK".

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« Reply #954 on: March 21, 2016, 02:44:51 pm »

Yeah. I'm at vote: PPS.
He wanted people to suspect him?

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« Reply #955 on: March 21, 2016, 03:06:58 pm »

Sweet, it worked anyways.

Yes, my meta has long been to draw attention and scrutiny to create interaction; more specifically to help me determine who scum actually are.

Lo and behold the two scummiest people I know vote me immediately with just the slightest of nudges.

I didn't think it would be this easy.
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« Reply #956 on: March 21, 2016, 03:12:00 pm »

I know, right? Ichi has reacted fabulously to very minor pressure. Which isn't necessarily a scum tell.

PPS...I don't know...Haddock asked me why I thought PPS was town because he had a scum read on him. I couldn't quite quantify it for him either. But PPS...that guy is town.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #957 on: March 21, 2016, 03:36:58 pm »

What does that even mean? Clearly people have formed an opinion of me and when I tried to give examples already, they have their own ways to write them off as something scum would do.

I've never been concerned about projecting being townie because I'm used to people (eventually) realizing that towni!Ichi is town!Ichi. But you know, if me being alive is going to distract and people are just gonna want to lynch me at lylo or something, go ahead. I just want town to win, and it's not like I'm a really strong PR or anything.

I will claim if people want me to.

It means that you're supposed to be able to prove that you're town. If you can't, you're not town.
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« Reply #958 on: March 21, 2016, 04:26:44 pm »

Sweet, it worked anyways.

Yes, my meta has long been to draw attention and scrutiny to create interaction; more specifically to help me determine who scum actually are.

Lo and behold the two scummiest people I know vote me immediately with just the slightest of nudges.

I didn't think it would be this easy.

"I am self-aware of my meta and am using this to excuse myself from trying to figure out what happened that kept us from killing Haddock night 1".

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #959 on: March 21, 2016, 04:37:14 pm »

While ichi got away with it yesterday, I still think the best explanation for no nk on N1 is that he was roleblocked. It just makes sense
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #960 on: March 21, 2016, 05:35:18 pm »

Ok.  Case on e.

 
Vote Count 1 Final

Haddock (1): Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (7): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle, chairs, Haddock, Witherweaver, e
chairs (2): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch..

 
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Vote Count 2 Final

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime

With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Well in starting my case for him, I actually thought he was the only person that was on the mislynch and not on the scum lynch, but I see that WW is also in that boat.

This is one of the strongest points on him.  I feel like we should look at people that were off-wagon yesterday, and who were strongly pushing other lynches.

D1:
  He starts the day off by giving a pass to PPS, and constantly reaffirming that pass.
  RVS sheeps Hydrad voting WW.
  switches his vote to Haddock
  Keeps pushing the Haddock lynch, causing a wagon to form, causing Haddock to claim.
  When Haddock claims, he goes back to voting WW.
  He then makes a jokey case on WW
  He keeps getting very excited for L-1s
  Votes for Axxle and tries to get a wagon started there.
 
I guess what I am trying to get at is he is basically just trying to push wagons D1.  If you look at all the major wagons D1, he was on them, and three of those people have flipped town.

D2:
  He then spends most of D2 telling people that the case on limetime is for no reason whatsoever. 
  That is pretty much it from sober!e on D2

tl;dr, e pushed wagons D1 on people who turned out to be town, then tried to get the limetime wagon to dismantle and put the pressure on IG D2, which he is continuing to do today.

 
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« Reply #961 on: March 21, 2016, 05:38:26 pm »

Sweet, it worked anyways.

Yes, my meta has long been to draw attention and scrutiny to create interaction; more specifically to help me determine who scum actually are.

Lo and behold the two scummiest people I know vote me immediately with just the slightest of nudges.

I didn't think it would be this easy.

This is rich considering that I am the (most likely) reason you lost a NK. The real question is why you didn't go for me last night. Oh, because you'd rather have a claimed cop and then try this stunt on me today.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #962 on: March 21, 2016, 06:35:52 pm »

Yeah, I was so excited to lynch RR D1. I mean, I only waited until a couple hours before deadline and voted to insure a lynch and tried to push alternative wagons the rest of the day. Totally in favor of the RR lynch
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #963 on: March 21, 2016, 06:51:47 pm »

I agree with gkrieg in spirit. We need cases and he is putting in the effort. It doesn't look like pure scum effort either. I also agree with e's rebuttal but I am horribly prone to confirmation bias.
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« Reply #964 on: March 21, 2016, 06:53:13 pm »

Sweet, it worked anyways.

Yes, my meta has long been to draw attention and scrutiny to create interaction; more specifically to help me determine who scum actually are.

Lo and behold the two scummiest people I know vote me immediately with just the slightest of nudges.

I didn't think it would be this easy.

"I am self-aware of my meta and am using this to excuse myself from trying to figure out what happened that kept us from killing Haddock night 1".

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This is rich considering that I am the (most likely) reason you lost a NK. The real question is why you didn't go for me last night. Oh, because you'd rather have a claimed cop and then try this stunt on me today.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #965 on: March 21, 2016, 10:24:38 pm »

Of course Ichi is scum....

But really, I could warm up to a gkrieg lynch. Except that claim. What did he claim today?

Ok fine, I will quit being lazy and go check
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #966 on: March 21, 2016, 10:34:28 pm »

I mean, my case on gkrieg would be crazy conspiracy theory based with him and WW being scum.

But his results are actually too townie for that. I mean, scum!team gkrieg and WW could conceivably come up with his first claim, but then the second where he would have to target his partner....eh

Too much of a conspiracy theory even for me.

Gkrieg is town
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #967 on: March 21, 2016, 10:36:19 pm »

So we have

conf!Town
Gkrieg
Awaclus
WW
e

Ok, fine. I shouldn't be on that list. WW shouldn't be either, but I very strongly think he is town
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« Reply #968 on: March 21, 2016, 10:37:23 pm »

I'm bored. I feel like I should claim.
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« Reply #969 on: March 21, 2016, 10:37:56 pm »

I'm bored. I feel like I should claim.

Don't it. It is D3. Great day for claims
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« Reply #970 on: March 21, 2016, 10:38:36 pm »

I'm bored. I feel like I should claim.

Don't DO it. It is D3. Great day for claims
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« Reply #971 on: March 21, 2016, 10:39:26 pm »

I am totally not claiming anything no matter what. L-1, whatever. No claim
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« Reply #972 on: March 21, 2016, 10:40:55 pm »

ok chairs targetted haddock last night. so do with that what you will.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #973 on: March 21, 2016, 10:47:07 pm »

Chairs?

Anyone else able to confirm/deny?
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« Reply #974 on: March 21, 2016, 10:48:48 pm »

vote: chairs
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« Reply #975 on: March 21, 2016, 10:51:37 pm »

Yeah, I was so excited to lynch RR D1. I mean, I only waited until a couple hours before deadline and voted to insure a lynch and tried to push alternative wagons the rest of the day. Totally in favor of the RR lynch

You still hammered him. I just remember my first game ever was almost the exact same situation and the last three people on the wagon were all scum
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« Reply #976 on: March 21, 2016, 10:59:04 pm »

Vote Count 3.2

pingpongsam (2): chairs, Ichimaru Gin
Ichimaru Gin (2): e, Awaclus
chairs (2): Hydrad, gkrieg13

Not Voting (2): Witherweaver, pingpongsam

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #977 on: March 21, 2016, 11:01:56 pm »

I can confirm I targetted Haddock last night. That's why I'm so mad he died.

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« Reply #978 on: March 22, 2016, 10:23:02 am »

Bueller?

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« Reply #979 on: March 22, 2016, 10:27:50 am »

Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today
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« Reply #980 on: March 22, 2016, 10:42:01 am »

Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today

So you think that Haddock was insane?
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« Reply #981 on: March 22, 2016, 10:52:00 am »

Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today

So you think that Haddock was insane?

Did he give a result?  I don't remember that happening
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« Reply #982 on: March 22, 2016, 10:54:43 am »

Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today

So you think that Haddock was insane?

I just did a quick reread of his D2 and didnt' see a target claimed
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« Reply #983 on: March 22, 2016, 10:55:20 am »

Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today

So you think that Haddock was insane?

Did he give a result?  I don't remember that happening

No, but I did.

I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.

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« Reply #984 on: March 22, 2016, 10:56:44 am »

Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today

So you think that Haddock was insane?

Did he give a result?  I don't remember that happening

No, but I did.

I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.

That's why I didn't see it in the reread.
So should someone else have received a result for his D1?  I guess I don't know how persistent works.
There are lots of possibilities with his sanity, seeing as he probably didn't find scum D1, I'm not sure we can completely trust his results
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« Reply #985 on: March 22, 2016, 11:00:35 am »

Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today

So you think that Haddock was insane?

Did he give a result?  I don't remember that happening

No, but I did.

I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.

That's why I didn't see it in the reread.
So should someone else have received a result for his D1?  I guess I don't know how persistent works.
There are lots of possibilities with his sanity, seeing as he probably didn't find scum D1, I'm not sure we can completely trust his results

I think the innocent on WW was his N1 result, because last night he got killed before he could use his ability.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #986 on: March 22, 2016, 11:26:14 am »


I think the innocent on WW was his N1 result, because last night he got killed before he could use his ability.

I guess that explains his maybe breadcrumbing of that?

Actually I'm back to thinking there was scum on my wagon.

vote: Witherweaver is the obvious choice.  The scummiest of vote histories.

Wait, what?  No, I meant vote: Limetime !!

Brain fade, sorry.  It's early.
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« Reply #987 on: March 22, 2016, 11:27:34 am »

His flip also didn't include persistent, but just said town-aligned cop

Haddock has died in the night. He was a Town-Aligned Cop.

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« Reply #988 on: March 22, 2016, 11:30:06 am »

 
Vote Count 1 Final

Haddock (1): Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (7): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle, chairs, Haddock, Witherweaver, e
chairs (2): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch..

 
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Vote Count 2 Final

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime

With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

So of the people still alive we have

on both: Hydrad, chairs, Awaclus
on mislynch, off scum lynch: e, WW
off mislynch, on scum lynch: gkrieg13, IG
off both: PPS
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« Reply #989 on: March 22, 2016, 01:23:46 pm »

Ok. Maybe I did overreact to the amount of pressure on me. I don't want to claim super early, because I know that's bad. I just wanted to let people know that I will claim if it comes to it.
I still don't understand what PPS was trying to accomplish with hoping someone saw him do something scummy.

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« Reply #990 on: March 22, 2016, 01:25:57 pm »

Ok. Maybe I did overreact to the amount of pressure on me. I don't want to claim super early, because I know that's bad. I just wanted to let people know that I will claim if it comes to it.
I still don't understand what PPS was trying to accomplish with hoping someone saw him do something scummy.

I'm not saying what I did was scummy. In fact, it was the most pro town thing I could think of. But if someone saw it and I explained it it would be easy to paint as scummy and that would be pretty great because in order to paint it scummy you'd have to have motive to paint me scum because it is just as easy to construe it town (being as it was).
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« Reply #991 on: March 22, 2016, 01:28:35 pm »

Ok. Maybe I did overreact to the amount of pressure on me. I don't want to claim super early, because I know that's bad. I just wanted to let people know that I will claim if it comes to it.
I still don't understand what PPS was trying to accomplish with hoping someone saw him do something scummy.

I'm not saying what I did was scummy. In fact, it was the most pro town thing I could think of. But if someone saw it and I explained it it would be easy to paint as scummy and that would be pretty great because in order to paint it scummy you'd have to have motive to paint me scum because it is just as easy to construe it town (being as it was).
Ok. That actually makes pretty good sense. unvote

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« Reply #992 on: March 22, 2016, 01:39:56 pm »

Ok. Maybe I did overreact to the amount of pressure on me. I don't want to claim super early, because I know that's bad. I just wanted to let people know that I will claim if it comes to it.
I still don't understand what PPS was trying to accomplish with hoping someone saw him do something scummy.

I'm not saying what I did was scummy. In fact, it was the most pro town thing I could think of. But if someone saw it and I explained it it would be easy to paint as scummy and that would be pretty great because in order to paint it scummy you'd have to have motive to paint me scum because it is just as easy to construe it town (being as it was).

I'm not following at all.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #993 on: March 22, 2016, 02:51:21 pm »

I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.

Are you sure it was WW?  I watched WW and Haddock didn't target him

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« Reply #994 on: March 22, 2016, 03:33:51 pm »

e did you claim anything?
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« Reply #996 on: March 22, 2016, 03:36:56 pm »

I am totally not claiming anything no matter what. L-1, whatever. No claim

Okay, I guess that answers.
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« Reply #997 on: March 22, 2016, 07:01:57 pm »

huh. interesting that thats all we got from me claiming about chairs. I guess I thought there would be a lot more voting and accusations going on.

welp I guess I'm fine with IG.

(sorry IG if your town. But the roleblocking night kill and stuff just adds up to you looking like scum :/)

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #998 on: March 22, 2016, 07:02:41 pm »

whew that was almost bad. I almost hammered. Looks like its L-1.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #999 on: March 22, 2016, 07:41:56 pm »

Vote Count 3.3

pingpongsam (1): chairs
Ichimaru Gin (4): e, Awaclus, Witherweaver, Hydrad {L-1}
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With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Mar 29, 6 PM forum time. That is in 6 days and 22+ hours.

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« Reply #1000 on: March 22, 2016, 07:46:50 pm »

Well we should wait for a claim probably.
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« Reply #1001 on: March 22, 2016, 07:55:24 pm »

Welp. I'm sad it had to come to this.

I'm a town voyeur.

I voyeured WW N1 (obviously), got nada.
Last night, I voyeured Awaclus and saw that no actions were used on him.

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« Reply #1002 on: March 22, 2016, 07:57:16 pm »

Did anyone target awaclus last night? 

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« Reply #1003 on: March 22, 2016, 08:03:50 pm »

Well I just know what (if any) stuff was done to my target.
And I received that nothing happened to Awaclus last night.

I can see how the whole PPS thing looks bad. I don't have an explanation for why there was no nightkill. There must have been something else going on.

I know I've also had less time for this game as I've been pretty busy with stuff. If killing me is the only way to not have me be a distraction because of what happened yesterday, I guess I'm ok with that. RMMs aren't included in official stats anyway, so I'll spare everyone the talk about my number of mislynches. Since which it's come to light that at least several others have never been mislynched. So yeah, not even that impressive I guess.

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« Reply #1004 on: March 22, 2016, 08:05:03 pm »

I would say that Hydrad is actually one of my top scumreads right now. I don't recall him being this lurky and opportunistic in his games. Perhaps I'm thinking of old Hydrad though.

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« Reply #1005 on: March 22, 2016, 08:21:06 pm »

Welp. I'm sad it had to come to this.

I'm a town voyeur.

I voyeured WW N1 (obviously), got nada.
Last night, I voyeured Awaclus and saw that no actions were used on him.

Boom, you lied. I targeted Awaclus last night.
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« Reply #1006 on: March 22, 2016, 08:22:11 pm »

Did anyone target awaclus last night?

I did, lol.
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« Reply #1007 on: March 22, 2016, 08:22:57 pm »

I could have been redirected, of course.
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« Reply #1008 on: March 22, 2016, 08:24:26 pm »

If IG flips town this will be the ultimate confusion of night action results... And I will probably get mislynched, and then there will be no clue who scum actually is because it sure looks like it is IG/chairs right now.
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« Reply #1009 on: March 22, 2016, 08:25:30 pm »

IG flipping town could be gg for us as town but I don't see a better alternative. I mean scum is already laughing so hard they can't type, if this is the case.
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« Reply #1010 on: March 22, 2016, 08:37:00 pm »

If IG flips town this will be the ultimate confusion of night action results... And I will probably get mislynched, and then there will be no clue who scum actually is because it sure looks like it is IG/chairs right now.
scum PPS covering himself.

I know what I saw, and I saw that Awaclus had nothing performed on him.

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« Reply #1011 on: March 22, 2016, 08:40:54 pm »

I find it notable that seemingly every action PPS takes in this game is an attempt to paint me as scum. I claimed first in both of these instances, giving scum!PPS the freedom to claim whatever the heck he wants.

Granted, I didn't get any results N1. Scum roleblockers are a thing though.

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« Reply #1012 on: March 22, 2016, 08:41:56 pm »

If IG flips town this will be the ultimate confusion of night action results... And I will probably get mislynched, and then there will be no clue who scum actually is because it sure looks like it is IG/chairs right now.
scum PPS covering himself.

I know what I saw, and I saw that Awaclus had nothing performed on him.

Either I was redirected, or you were redirected, or you are scum. I suppose for everyone else the possibility exists I am scum. So four possibilities, here.

Also, you may have watched me in some scum way so you knew I targeted Awaclus which is why you named him as part of this frame up.
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« Reply #1013 on: March 22, 2016, 08:42:14 pm »

Oh, btw, I did not Roleblock awaclus.
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« Reply #1014 on: March 22, 2016, 08:43:29 pm »

If IG flips town this will be the ultimate confusion of night action results... And I will probably get mislynched, and then there will be no clue who scum actually is because it sure looks like it is IG/chairs right now.
scum PPS covering himself.

I know what I saw, and I saw that Awaclus had nothing performed on him.

Either I was redirected, or you were redirected, or you are scum. I suppose for everyone else the possibility exists I am scum. So four possibilities, here.

Also, you may have watched me in some scum way so you knew I targeted Awaclus which is why you named him as part of this frame up.

Note, in 50% of these possibilities both of us can be town.
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« Reply #1015 on: March 22, 2016, 08:44:00 pm »

Also, why would you roleblock Awaclus?

I voyeured him because he's basically an IC, and I expected stuff to happen to him.

Chairs also confirmed that he received Awaclus' message last night. You can't ignore that.
I think you're the one who is lying.

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« Reply #1016 on: March 22, 2016, 08:44:45 pm »

So, I'm not sure how I am making every effort to paint you as scum when I am acknowledging and exploring the alternative possibilities. I'm just saying it looks real bad for you right now but I can see the tables turning on me, here.
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« Reply #1017 on: March 22, 2016, 08:45:15 pm »

Also, why would you roleblock Awaclus?

I voyeured him because he's basically an IC, and I expected stuff to happen to him.

Chairs also confirmed that he received Awaclus' message last night. You can't ignore that.
I think you're the one who is lying.

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Your PPE must have missed the part where I didn't Roleblock awaclus.
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« Reply #1018 on: March 22, 2016, 08:46:51 pm »

Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.
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« Reply #1019 on: March 22, 2016, 08:51:54 pm »

So, I'm not sure how I am making every effort to paint you as scum when I am acknowledging and exploring the alternative possibilities. I'm just saying it looks real bad for you right now but I can see the tables turning on me, here.
Huh. So now you say you didn't roleblock Awaclus; you did something else. Seems convenient.

It's not really you painting me as scum, it's just all your results seem a little too coincidentally crafted to try and make me look bad.

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that you are scum though. It's RMM, so lots of stuff that can happen.

PPEs: Yeah, it should have been PPE 3 or something. I didn't see that post.
I'm not sure I understand your last post either.

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« Reply #1020 on: March 22, 2016, 08:53:05 pm »

i will say i tracked PPS N1 and he did target ichi.
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« Reply #1021 on: March 22, 2016, 08:54:59 pm »

Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.
Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
That sort of behavior just causes confusion.

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« Reply #1022 on: March 22, 2016, 08:59:30 pm »

Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.
Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
That sort of behavior just causes confusion.

PPE: hydrad

Even when I already said that was my hope and then it appeared out of thin air?
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« Reply #1023 on: March 22, 2016, 09:02:01 pm »

Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.
Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
That sort of behavior just causes confusion.

PPE: hydrad

Even when I already said that was my hope and then it appeared out of thin air?
I haven't been keeping up with all the PPEs. But yeah. I don't care if you say that pretending to be scum is a joke or a gambit or something. It's sowing confusion. I don't think it gives any useful information like I guess you think it does.

How am I supposed to know that you can (supposedly) do other stuff besides roleblock. You can make up whatever you want, but to me it looks like you're patching holes in your story.

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« Reply #1024 on: March 22, 2016, 09:08:46 pm »

Ichi is lying. Explanation when I get home. But will not vote anywhere else.
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« Reply #1025 on: March 22, 2016, 09:19:59 pm »

Ichi is lying. Explanation when I get home. But will not vote anywhere else.
I can guarantee one thousand percent that I'm not.

When I flip, people will know where to lynch.

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« Reply #1026 on: March 22, 2016, 09:34:35 pm »

Welp. I'm sad it had to come to this.

I'm a town voyeur.

I voyeured WW N1 (obviously), got nada.
Last night, I voyeured Awaclus and saw that no actions were used on him.

I was targeted Night 1 by Haddock.  This is truth.

You're lying or you're insane.
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« Reply #1027 on: March 22, 2016, 09:38:09 pm »

Welp. I'm sad it had to come to this.

I'm a town voyeur.

I voyeured WW N1 (obviously), got nada.
Last night, I voyeured Awaclus and saw that no actions were used on him.

I was targeted Night 1 by Haddock.  This is truth.

You're lying or you're insane.
Dude. I was roleblocked N1. I got no result. nada.

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« Reply #1028 on: March 22, 2016, 09:38:45 pm »

I mean I guess that could be interpreted more than one way.

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« Reply #1029 on: March 22, 2016, 09:42:01 pm »

Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.
Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
That sort of behavior just causes confusion.

PPE: hydrad

Even when I already said that was my hope and then it appeared out of thin air?
I haven't been keeping up with all the PPEs. But yeah. I don't care if you say that pretending to be scum is a joke or a gambit or something. It's sowing confusion. I don't think it gives any useful information like I guess you think it does.

How am I supposed to know that you can (supposedly) do other stuff besides roleblock. You can make up whatever you want, but to me it looks like you're patching holes in your story.

You completely miss the point. I am not pretending to be scum. I am presenting opportunities scum cannot resist. It's a fine line and I have been chastised and lynched for doing it my whole career. I'm trying to elevate it to art, though.

You can't know I would have other abilities and scum wants to point out how scummy I would have been for role blocking. Scum wants to ask what I really did because I've already baited that it's even easier to paint as scummy than role blocking is. But that would be awfully scummy to fish for.

The problem here is I think you may just possibly somehow be town. If you are I get mislynched and it looks real bad for us then. But I think we are past the point of no return with this one and when we all see what happened last night it will be a hoot how it convinced town to self immolate. But there's still some contingency left and also an outstanding chance you are caught scum so we should lynch you today.
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« Reply #1030 on: March 22, 2016, 09:43:36 pm »

oh yeah...he was roleblocked.

never mind then.  still scum. 
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« Reply #1031 on: March 22, 2016, 09:47:41 pm »

Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.
Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
That sort of behavior just causes confusion.

PPE: hydrad

Even when I already said that was my hope and then it appeared out of thin air?
I haven't been keeping up with all the PPEs. But yeah. I don't care if you say that pretending to be scum is a joke or a gambit or something. It's sowing confusion. I don't think it gives any useful information like I guess you think it does.

How am I supposed to know that you can (supposedly) do other stuff besides roleblock. You can make up whatever you want, but to me it looks like you're patching holes in your story.

You completely miss the point. I am not pretending to be scum. I am presenting opportunities scum cannot resist. It's a fine line and I have been chastised and lynched for doing it my whole career. I'm trying to elevate it to art, though.

You can't know I would have other abilities and scum wants to point out how scummy I would have been for role blocking. Scum wants to ask what I really did because I've already baited that it's even easier to paint as scummy than role blocking is. But that would be awfully scummy to fish for.

The problem here is I think you may just possibly somehow be town. If you are I get mislynched and it looks real bad for us then. But I think we are past the point of no return with this one and when we all see what happened last night it will be a hoot how it convinced town to self immolate. But there's still some contingency left and also an outstanding chance you are caught scum so we should lynch you today.
Um. I wouldn't call the completely missing the point. I think I fundamentally disagree with how you define what it is that you do. I don't think I was aware that it was your meta; if so, I guess that changes things slightly. So you have ways of acting that you want "scum" to jump on that true "town" would somehow not suspect you for? You purposefully create these opportunities and then you think only scum respond to them?

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« Reply #1032 on: March 22, 2016, 09:50:59 pm »

And...my internet is being stupid.

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« Reply #1033 on: March 22, 2016, 09:51:29 pm »

oh yeah...he was roleblocked.

never mind then.  still scum.
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« Reply #1034 on: March 22, 2016, 09:51:41 pm »

Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.
Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
That sort of behavior just causes confusion.

PPE: hydrad

Even when I already said that was my hope and then it appeared out of thin air?
I haven't been keeping up with all the PPEs. But yeah. I don't care if you say that pretending to be scum is a joke or a gambit or something. It's sowing confusion. I don't think it gives any useful information like I guess you think it does.

How am I supposed to know that you can (supposedly) do other stuff besides roleblock. You can make up whatever you want, but to me it looks like you're patching holes in your story.

You completely miss the point. I am not pretending to be scum. I am presenting opportunities scum cannot resist. It's a fine line and I have been chastised and lynched for doing it my whole career. I'm trying to elevate it to art, though.

You can't know I would have other abilities and scum wants to point out how scummy I would have been for role blocking. Scum wants to ask what I really did because I've already baited that it's even easier to paint as scummy than role blocking is. But that would be awfully scummy to fish for.

The problem here is I think you may just possibly somehow be town. If you are I get mislynched and it looks real bad for us then. But I think we are past the point of no return with this one and when we all see what happened last night it will be a hoot how it convinced town to self immolate. But there's still some contingency left and also an outstanding chance you are caught scum so we should lynch you today.
Um. I wouldn't call the completely missing the point. I think I fundamentally disagree with how you define what it is that you do. I don't think I was aware that it was your meta; if so, I guess that changes things slightly. So you have ways of acting that you want "scum" to jump on that true "town" would somehow not suspect you for? You purposefully create these opportunities and then you think only scum respond to them?

No, town responds too. The art is in distinguishing between the reactions. But yes, I very much create interaction for the purpose of analyzing it which is pretty much how the game is played.
The part that makes it fun is I wistfully opined about it because I didn't think it was going to happen and you and chairs just jumped right into it and now you got caught in a lie (or one or the both of us was redirected).
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« Reply #1035 on: March 22, 2016, 09:52:10 pm »

So, Ichi, assuming you and I are both town who do you think is scum, here?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1036 on: March 22, 2016, 09:54:14 pm »

One thing making me almost certain Ichi is scum is the lack of an instant hammer because the explanation is just too good for scum not to go there because they can easily get me the next day. Instead here we sit casually discussing other possibilities. I see how if I am the scum though, it adds up a little differently.
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« Reply #1037 on: March 22, 2016, 09:55:37 pm »

Bedtime, looking forward to,seeing what transpired in the morning!
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1038 on: March 22, 2016, 09:56:59 pm »

So, Ichi, assuming you and I are both town who do you think is scum, here?
I find Hydrad very suspicious. If I'm not mistaken, it only takes one fiddly role to get us to the situation we are at now (under the assumption we're both town).
chairs could be scum. I'm not sure exactly how Awaclus' thing works, but couldn't scum just say that they got the message?

I think e is town, but I don't like being tunneled by him. I remember almost nothing about Axxle, little about gkrieg. I'm suspicious of WW.

PPE: you mean you think scum would have hammered town!me by now?

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« Reply #1039 on: March 22, 2016, 10:31:48 pm »

Welp. I'm sad it had to come to this.

I'm a town voyeur.

I voyeured WW N1 (obviously), got nada.
Last night, I voyeured Awaclus and saw that no actions were used on him.

I was targeted Night 1 by Haddock.  This is truth.

You're lying or you're insane.
Dude. I was roleblocked N1. I got no result. nada.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1040 on: March 22, 2016, 11:31:10 pm »

Hmmmm. I was really excited when I thought I caught ichi easily with a slip up. Well, guess it is the harder route then. I should have known better, ichi is much better than to make some silly mistake like that
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« Reply #1041 on: March 22, 2016, 11:32:11 pm »

I do like the anti-omgus play from ichi where he thinks I am town despite my tunneling him
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« Reply #1042 on: March 22, 2016, 11:33:36 pm »

Wait, have I done a vote: witherweaver yet?

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« Reply #1043 on: March 22, 2016, 11:34:09 pm »

That being said, vote: Ichimaru Gin is better
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« Reply #1044 on: March 22, 2016, 11:48:51 pm »

alright, I think this is the part where I trade myself for scum, because I am 100% confident PPS is Mafia and also 100% confident Mafia has already guessed this based on my tunneling of him.

I believe I am the reason there was no NK N1. I am a Doctor and targetted Haddock N1. It's my contention that PPS is, in fact, a roleblocker - but a Mafia one, who roleblocked me N2 thus preventing me from doctoring Haddock.

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« Reply #1045 on: March 22, 2016, 11:52:34 pm »

Can we get a claim summary? I guess I could work on it once I get back home
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« Reply #1046 on: March 22, 2016, 11:57:23 pm »

Am I still at L-1?
I think it would be safest for me to not be at L-1 with all this stuff happening.

Also, going to bed and have school early tomorrow. I should be back tomorrow afternoon/evening.

And now e is buddying me, but still wants to lynch me. I'm really not a good lynch. chairs claim changes a lot of things; I won't accept it by default just because it favors me though. I'll have to think about it more.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1047 on: March 23, 2016, 12:00:12 am »

I agree with ichi about one thing. We have s bunch of new claims and don't need to rush into lynching ichi.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1048 on: March 23, 2016, 12:35:47 am »

Vote Count 3.4

pingpongsam (1): chairs
Ichimaru Gin (3): Awaclus, Witherweaver, Hydrad {L-2}
chairs (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (3): pingpongsam, Ichimaru Gin, e

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« Reply #1049 on: March 23, 2016, 07:52:42 am »

alright, I think this is the part where I trade myself for scum, because I am 100% confident PPS is Mafia and also 100% confident Mafia has already guessed this based on my tunneling of him.

I believe I am the reason there was no NK N1. I am a Doctor and targetted Haddock N1. It's my contention that PPS is, in fact, a roleblocker - but a Mafia one, who roleblocked me N2 thus preventing me from doctoring Haddock.

Well. You fail Mafia if you are 100% on my alignment. You only get to do that under some very limited circumstances with a lot of known information. Circumstances include being a sane cop with no possibility of redirection or being in a game with a reduced population where you and the IC and a scum are left.

I am 100% sure I am town but I make no such certainty about anyone else's alignment so I would claim to at least be playing the more intelligent game, here. In fact, making such bold assertions is scummy on its face.

Now, I'm not sure why scum!chairs would make this claim even if it were to try to save a sinking Ichi/chairs ship. I'm inclined to believe the claim because it felt like a pretty long shot to have role blocked the NK on N1 (although a successful doctoring isn't too much longer). It felt even longer to have caught the next scum in a lie with my actions. That said, I feel way better about the likelihood that Ichi is lying about his interaction with awaclus.

The exists a very real,possibility I got redirected last night. I mean if scum has a redirect or and the first day I claim role blocking how could they not resist sending my block a known direction.

Chairs, who did you Doctor last night and why?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1050 on: March 23, 2016, 07:55:49 am »

Thing that gets me is how chairs/Ichi seem to be working together but maybe I only see that because they are both trying to get me lynched. I suffer from reverse bias just as badly.
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« Reply #1051 on: March 23, 2016, 08:41:25 am »

Either this thing is really that easy. Ichi/chairs are the scum team and are caught in a lie... or town is in a pretty rough spot due to how night actions resolved last night. I say rough because I have no real sense of who else scum could be.

That the Ichi wagon didn't already go boom is damning evidence to me.
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« Reply #1052 on: March 23, 2016, 08:42:20 am »

Note, if Ichi/chairs are scum then gkrieg was the hesitant town. Gkrieg, what's your analysis on the situation?
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« Reply #1053 on: March 23, 2016, 10:00:03 am »

alright, I think this is the part where I trade myself for scum, because I am 100% confident PPS is Mafia and also 100% confident Mafia has already guessed this based on my tunneling of him.

I believe I am the reason there was no NK N1. I am a Doctor and targetted Haddock N1. It's my contention that PPS is, in fact, a roleblocker - but a Mafia one, who roleblocked me N2 thus preventing me from doctoring Haddock.

Well. You fail Mafia if you are 100% on my alignment. You only get to do that under some very limited circumstances with a lot of known information. Circumstances include being a sane cop with no possibility of redirection or being in a game with a reduced population where you and the IC and a scum are left.

I am 100% sure I am town but I make no such certainty about anyone else's alignment so I would claim to at least be playing the more intelligent game, here. In fact, making such bold assertions is scummy on its face.

Now, I'm not sure why scum!chairs would make this claim even if it were to try to save a sinking Ichi/chairs ship. I'm inclined to believe the claim because it felt like a pretty long shot to have role blocked the NK on N1 (although a successful doctoring isn't too much longer). It felt even longer to have caught the next scum in a lie with my actions. That said, I feel way better about the likelihood that Ichi is lying about his interaction with awaclus.

The exists a very real,possibility I got redirected last night. I mean if scum has a redirect or and the first day I claim role blocking how could they not resist sending my block a known direction.

Chairs, who did you Doctor last night and why?

I doctored Haddock last night, again. I figured if he was a persistent cop, then it would benefit us to have him around as long as possible, so that when he died and someone got his results we'd have as much possibility of verifying their accuracy as possible.

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« Reply #1054 on: March 23, 2016, 10:02:08 am »

Claiming to doctor the person who died. Not a strategy scum usually take
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« Reply #1055 on: March 23, 2016, 10:02:47 am »

And as you can see, the doctoring failed, which implies strongman or roleblocking. From my angle, the narrative is "pps claimed roleblocker, and wasn't lying about role, just alignment", you saw my opinion that your claim to be responsible for preventing the NK was bunk and determined I was some sort of protective role, but wanted to drop the persistent cop before he could provide too much info to town so you just rb'd me.

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« Reply #1056 on: March 23, 2016, 10:02:59 am »

Also, sorry, I fell asleep halfway through trying to reread the thread and compile claims.
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« Reply #1057 on: March 23, 2016, 10:30:51 am »

And as you can see, the doctoring failed, which implies strongman or roleblocking. From my angle, the narrative is "pps claimed roleblocker, and wasn't lying about role, just alignment", you saw my opinion that your claim to be responsible for preventing the NK was bunk and determined I was some sort of protective role, but wanted to drop the persistent cop before he could provide too much info to town so you just rb'd me.

That seems like a fair analysis to take away if you are telling the truth. Too bad we have no witness of who I actually targeted last night to prove you wrong (but not necessarily scum).

Interesting that scum goes for Haddock twice in a row and you doctor him twice in a row.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1058 on: March 23, 2016, 10:45:17 am »

Note, if Ichi/chairs are scum then gkrieg was the hesitant town. Gkrieg, what's your analysis on the situation?

I'll look at it again later today ( I'm on mobile right now). From skimming it looks like there are a couple of reasons for the lack of N1 NK. Does it mean we have to either say the team is chairs/IG or that it is PPs/?  Does scum who missed on the NK try to claim something to target someone else and get them lynched?  I think that is the real question we have to answer about PPS. The other thing I can think of that I find strange here is that limetime flipped as mafia-aligned. Where the town people have flipped with their role included. I'm still thinking this through.
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« Reply #1059 on: March 23, 2016, 10:46:43 am »

Now that I've clamed down and thought about it, it's technically possible for PPS and myself and IG to all be Town, actually, which is the frustrating bit of this situation.

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« Reply #1060 on: March 23, 2016, 10:48:21 am »

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« Reply #1061 on: March 23, 2016, 10:48:59 am »

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« Reply #1062 on: March 23, 2016, 10:52:40 am »

At first my position was we have to lynch IG regardless so we can sort out the truth. I'm not so convinced this is the case because I think if he flips town it just sets on a path for more mislynches. If he were to flip scum though it would be basically game over. I don't think we are going to ascertain who is for sure scum today so we have to do second best which is identify the best informative flip should that person flip town. I'm still mulling this over, though because I don't think the answer is immediately obvious.
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« Reply #1063 on: March 23, 2016, 10:55:30 am »

Note, if Ichi/chairs are scum then gkrieg was the hesitant town. Gkrieg, what's your analysis on the situation?

I'll look at it again later today ( I'm on mobile right now). From skimming it looks like there are a couple of reasons for the lack of N1 NK. Does it mean we have to either say the team is chairs/IG or that it is PPs/?  Does scum who missed on the NK try to claim something to target someone else and get them lynched?  I think that is the real question we have to answer about PPS. The other thing I can think of that I find strange here is that limetime flipped as mafia-aligned. Where the town people have flipped with their role included. I'm still thinking this through.

What i was really asking is why you didn't hammer IG when the wagon progressed and it looked like he was totally caught in a lie. Like, where was your head at then, not where do we go from here.
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« Reply #1064 on: March 23, 2016, 11:03:00 am »

Note, if Ichi/chairs are scum then gkrieg was the hesitant town. Gkrieg, what's your analysis on the situation?

I'll look at it again later today ( I'm on mobile right now). From skimming it looks like there are a couple of reasons for the lack of N1 NK. Does it mean we have to either say the team is chairs/IG or that it is PPs/?  Does scum who missed on the NK try to claim something to target someone else and get them lynched?  I think that is the real question we have to answer about PPS. The other thing I can think of that I find strange here is that limetime flipped as mafia-aligned. Where the town people have flipped with their role included. I'm still thinking this through.

What i was really asking is why you didn't hammer IG when the wagon progressed and it looked like he was totally caught in a lie. Like, where was your head at then, not where do we go from here.

Claiming voyeur and not getting the correct result last night with only a few people claiming their night actions seems more townie/fishy than scummy. Especially in RMM games there always seems to be another explanation. Also just the way his wagon formed seemed scummy instead of townie to me. So weird claim + wagon formation I guess.
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« Reply #1065 on: March 23, 2016, 11:25:39 am »

If I allow for IG/chairs to be town and gkrieg too for being off the wagon then the wagon becomes awaclus, e, ww, hydrad. I made that order from most likely to be town to most likely to be scum. Awaclus has the visitor thing that he has to keep doing unless, as scum, his visits all die each night oh so conveniently. Besides, if we have a 3 man scum tem and one is dead and one is awaclus then we have a lying town already (hydrad and e both confirm him, right?)

So, awaclus is not scum today or maybe ever this game.

Next up, e, one of the awaclus confirmers. Now confirming awaclus is not town pass but contrasted with hydrad's confirmation his looks townier. Also, e seems to be playing a town game. finally, he thinks I am town so naturally I think he is town.

Now we have ww. He's probably scum because he's ww. I mean, I see nothing about his play here that is outside his usual scum meta. I'm always down for lynching WW because he is always scum even when he's town. But, is his lynch the most informative today?

Finally, hydrad. I don't have the time to reread now but I think based on gut feel this is the informative flip of the day. Besides chairs is actually active this game, has made a pretty good recovery from looking scummy as hell to looking fairly town and he thinks he is suspect.

Again, I've got some rereading to do tonight (assuming no baby arrives) before I commit to any of this I was just kind of getting this out there before I fell off the map for the rest of the day.
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« Reply #1066 on: March 23, 2016, 01:36:24 pm »

And as you can see, the doctoring failed, which implies strongman or roleblocking. From my angle, the narrative is "pps claimed roleblocker, and wasn't lying about role, just alignment", you saw my opinion that your claim to be responsible for preventing the NK was bunk and determined I was some sort of protective role, but wanted to drop the persistent cop before he could provide too much info to town so you just rb'd me.

That seems like a fair analysis to take away if you are telling the truth. Too bad we have no witness of who I actually targeted last night to prove you wrong (but not necessarily scum).

Interesting that scum goes for Haddock twice in a row and you doctor him twice in a row.
Um. What do you mean "actually" targeted. You claim to have targeted Awaclus with something. My witness is that no one targeted Awaclus at all.

I also take it you wont tell us what you supposedly did to Awaclus last night that isnt roleblocking.

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« Reply #1067 on: March 23, 2016, 01:48:07 pm »

chairs insinuates I targeted him last night with a roleblock since he was supposedly doctoring haddock and haddock died anyhow.

I claim to have targeted awaclus.

This we have a situation where I wish we had someone who can confirm who I "actually" targeted.

I don't see it helping the game state to reveal my targeting action. Revealing that it was not a roleblock I think is sufficient for now. I'm open to compelling reasons to reveal the actual action, though.
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« Reply #1068 on: March 23, 2016, 01:59:54 pm »

Well, it was clearly not roleblock because my night action got through.
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« Reply #1069 on: March 23, 2016, 02:01:50 pm »

After thinking more about it.  vote: pps

Here's my reasoning:

The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target.  Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.

The other scenario is that IG and chairs are lying together with a much more ridiculous string of fakeclaims.  It would require that chairs is going all-in with IG so that we don't lynch IG.  I don't think that makes much sense when we aren't (probably) at MYLO.  IG would also have to claim no result on someone, which seems silly to do that with Awaclus, who is IC at this point.

The simplest explanations are almost always the correct ones.

PPS was not on the scum lynch, which I think further implicates him vs chairs/IG
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« Reply #1070 on: March 23, 2016, 02:07:27 pm »

Well, it was clearly not roleblock because my night action got through.
Well i saw that no one targeted you with anything. Pps not telling us what he supposedly did to you gives no reason whatsoever to think he actually targeted you. Now if whatever he did had a measurable effector he has a result, that changes things. For now, i dont see any reason to believe him. Though its of course possible that I or PPS were interfered with.

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« Reply #1071 on: March 23, 2016, 02:14:41 pm »

Here's my reasoning:

The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target.  Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.

This would be a pretty good hypothesis, but the only problem I have with it that it doesn't assume that Ichi is scum.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1072 on: March 23, 2016, 02:17:02 pm »

Here's my reasoning:

The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target.  Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.

This would be a pretty good hypothesis, but the only problem I have with it that it doesn't assume that Ichi is scum.

It doesn't reflect my thinking through all the possible scenarios.  I thought through the scenario where IG is scum, and that is partially illustrated in the second argument that I think is less likely
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« Reply #1073 on: March 23, 2016, 02:24:17 pm »

I doctored Awaclus.
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« Reply #1074 on: March 23, 2016, 02:25:04 pm »

Here's my reasoning:

The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target.  Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.

This would be a pretty good hypothesis, but the only problem I have with it that it doesn't assume that Ichi is scum.
But im not scum. Pps wants you to think i am though.
Im not as wedded to the idea that he has to be scum. I knew that something else was the cause of the no kill N1 because Im just a harmless voyeur.

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« Reply #1075 on: March 23, 2016, 02:27:55 pm »

Here's my reasoning:

The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target.  Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.

This would be a pretty good hypothesis, but the only problem I have with it that it doesn't assume that Ichi is scum.
But im not scum. Pps wants you to think i am though.
Im not as wedded to the idea that he has to be scum. I knew that something else was the cause of the no kill N1 because Im just a harmless voyeur.

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I'm not overly attached to the idea that IG is scum. I can say that night action results can be construed to suggest he is and the fact he was off the scum lynch. I am off all lynches by default in case no one noticed so me being off the scum lynch is no more indicative of me being off the town one.
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« Reply #1076 on: March 23, 2016, 02:30:37 pm »

Check again. I was on scum lynch.
More fuel for you wanting to paint me as scum.

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« Reply #1077 on: March 23, 2016, 02:33:00 pm »

Hell I was so unattached that I was actually analyzing the on-wagon persons from yesterday's lynching assuming all people off wagon were town.... .... when the wagon was on scum.
Clearly i am loosing sight of what is going on for me to be thinking that outside the box.

No, scum had to be off wagon and I know I am not scum so that leaves Ichi, chairs and gkrieg. Of those I still feel strongly that ichi/chairs is the best place to look. chairs claiming to doctor N1 to discredit my roleblocking is just icing on the cake. I say go ahead and mislynch me because who to kill from here on out is obvious.

I mean, I can see how we are all being duped but the likelihood of both remaining scum being on yesterday's wagon is just not worth considering IMHO.
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« Reply #1078 on: March 23, 2016, 02:34:26 pm »

Check again. I was on scum lynch.
More fuel for you wanting to paint me as scum.

Holey snikies, you're right. I thought for sure you weren't. No, it was WW that was the odd man out.
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« Reply #1079 on: March 23, 2016, 02:34:45 pm »

Hell I was so unattached that I was actually analyzing the on-wagon persons from yesterday's lynching assuming all people off wagon were town.... .... when the wagon was on scum.
Clearly i am loosing sight of what is going on for me to be thinking that outside the box.

No, scum had to be off wagon and I know I am not scum so that leaves Ichi, chairs and gkrieg. Of those I still feel strongly that ichi/chairs is the best place to look. chairs claiming to doctor N1 to discredit my roleblocking is just icing on the cake. I say go ahead and mislynch me because who to kill from here on out is obvious.

I mean, I can see how we are all being duped but the likelihood of both remaining scum being on yesterday's wagon is just not worth considering IMHO.

I think you need to check the wagons again.  This doesn't make much sense to me.
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« Reply #1080 on: March 23, 2016, 02:34:59 pm »

That should be obvious from the puking of posts where I included WW as being on-wagon.
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« Reply #1081 on: March 23, 2016, 02:35:42 pm »

This changes everything. I mean except for chairs, maybe.

So, why is WW not scum?
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« Reply #1082 on: March 23, 2016, 02:36:09 pm »

I think he is.

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« Reply #1084 on: March 23, 2016, 02:39:08 pm »

I think he is.

Do you believe chairs?
Im not sure. I said earlier i wantes to be careful not to accept his claim just because it favors me. Im not sure why scum chairs would want you lynched over me though.

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« Reply #1085 on: March 23, 2016, 02:40:57 pm »

I think he is.

Do you believe chairs?
Im not sure. I said earlier i wantes to be careful not to accept his claim just because it favors me. Im not sure why scum chairs would want you lynched over me though.

That part is easy, because he can logically provide a manner by which his results refute my claims. I think I am starting to believe chairs too.

chairs, why were you off wagon yesterday?
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« Reply #1086 on: March 23, 2016, 05:28:28 pm »

I think he is.

Do you believe chairs?
Im not sure. I said earlier i wantes to be careful not to accept his claim just because it favors me. Im not sure why scum chairs would want you lynched over me though.

That part is easy, because he can logically provide a manner by which his results refute my claims. I think I am starting to believe chairs too.

chairs, why were you off wagon yesterday?

I was on-wagon for Limetime. What the hell game are you playing?

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« Reply #1087 on: March 23, 2016, 07:09:00 pm »

God, I don't know. Here's a copy of the final vote results.

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime
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« Reply #1088 on: March 23, 2016, 07:09:59 pm »

I have no idea what I was thinking except I was definitely read in those with votes on them as off wagon voters. But for chairs I got no explanation for my oversight.
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« Reply #1089 on: March 23, 2016, 07:12:47 pm »

Me being off wagon is meaningless for analysis since I am not voting at all.

Some and WW were off wagon. I'd wager it's safe to presume one scum got on wagon for the distance but no way they double bussed.

I like WW much better than e for a lynch option.
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« Reply #1090 on: March 23, 2016, 07:23:25 pm »

Um. I don't think I agree with your not voting being meaningless for analysis. It does show you at least weren't supporting an alternative wagon to scum I guess.

I could lynch WW today. He seems super in the background to me.

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« Reply #1091 on: March 23, 2016, 07:59:22 pm »

I love how many people are casually throwing WW out there as a lynch candidate without actually voting for him like they want someone else to break the ice
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« Reply #1092 on: March 23, 2016, 08:00:48 pm »

I want to hear what he has to say first.

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« Reply #1093 on: March 23, 2016, 08:19:28 pm »

But yes, it does seem as if a lot of people have passively expressed suspicion of him this game.

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« Reply #1094 on: March 23, 2016, 09:11:56 pm »

God, I don't know. Here's a copy of the final vote results.

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime

this is hilarious :D
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1095 on: March 23, 2016, 09:14:00 pm »

ok anyways. I kinda believe chairs that hes te doctor.

IG I think would normally not believe but because he claimed voyuer I think thats hard for scum to make up as a fake claim so hes good there.

PPS... I believe your claims but at the same time I think it could easily be scum still? although your wouldn't of doctored if you are scum... so that part might be fake? I do remember PPS like crazy claims I think. so your still scummy now.

uhh ww. sure I'll kill ww.

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« Reply #1096 on: March 23, 2016, 09:14:44 pm »

vote: WW

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« Reply #1097 on: March 23, 2016, 09:40:02 pm »

Vote Count 3.5

Witherweaver (1): Ichimaru Gin
pingpongsam (2): chairs, gkrieg13
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (4): pingpongsam, e, Witherweaver, Hydrad

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« Reply #1098 on: March 23, 2016, 11:17:11 pm »

I'm pretty sure I'm, like, confirmed town.
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« Reply #1099 on: March 23, 2016, 11:20:04 pm »

I'm pretty sure I'm, like, confirmed town.
Well could we hear more from you then?

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1100 on: March 23, 2016, 11:35:05 pm »

Um. I'm confused. Awaclus said that he's a friendly neighbor. That just means he can send people messages saying that he is town.
Anyone can receive them. Only Awaclus is basically confirmed as an IC now. Not the people he targets.

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« Reply #1101 on: March 24, 2016, 12:00:05 am »

vote: Hydrad.

lynch is the correct term, unless you're scummy mcscumlord.

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« Reply #1102 on: March 24, 2016, 12:15:34 am »

vote: Hydrad.

lynch is the correct term, unless you're scummy mcscumlord.

oh this again. I can 100% say that i've said kill instead of lynch as town many times. I view it as the same thing. When we lynch someone we are basically killing them. I know one game at least ss pointed it out as this same thing but I guess I can't hope for ss to back me up here as hes kinda the mod...

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« Reply #1103 on: March 24, 2016, 03:38:57 am »

Um. I'm confused. Awaclus said that he's a friendly neighbor. That just means he can send people messages saying that he is town.
Anyone can receive them. Only Awaclus is basically confirmed as an IC now. Not the people he targets.

I haven't targeted WW. But Haddock did and I received that result when Haddock died.
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« Reply #1104 on: March 24, 2016, 08:28:17 am »

Um. I'm confused. Awaclus said that he's a friendly neighbor. That just means he can send people messages saying that he is town.
Anyone can receive them. Only Awaclus is basically confirmed as an IC now. Not the people he targets.

I haven't targeted WW. But Haddock did and I received that result when Haddock died.

Good ole insane Haddock, you mean?
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« Reply #1105 on: March 24, 2016, 10:42:51 am »

Incredibly happy with my vote: pps right now. Revoting to make sure I didn't change my mind while I was tired last night.

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« Reply #1106 on: March 24, 2016, 11:11:09 am »

I don't know how much I would trust Haddock's results.  If I were creating a game, the persistent cop is the last person I would make sane when I have made it clear that cops are not guaranteed to be sane
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« Reply #1107 on: March 24, 2016, 11:38:13 am »

I totally agree that we can't trust cops results. I have reason to believe WW is town external to haddock's result.

I do have my reservations. Scenarios exist where WW is, in fact, scum. But I think we are much more likely to find scum in pps/chairs/ichi.

Still need to finish my reread and consolidate the claims so I can think better about them. Had a work social function last night (the worst) that prevented me from getting it done yesterday
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« Reply #1108 on: March 24, 2016, 12:01:54 pm »

I totally agree that we can't trust cops results. I have reason to believe WW is town external to haddock's result.

I do have my reservations. Scenarios exist where WW is, in fact, scum. But I think we are much more likely to find scum in pps/chairs/ichi.


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« Reply #1109 on: March 24, 2016, 01:12:38 pm »

I totally agree that we can't trust cops results. I have reason to believe WW is town external to haddock's result.

I do have my reservations. Scenarios exist where WW is, in fact, scum. But I think we are much more likely to find scum in pps/chairs/ichi.


Agree with this

I don't know it smells like the classic frame up where we lynch one town to say that if he flips town the other must be scum so we lynch that town next. I mean, sure night actions could prevent it but I am not all so sure that Ichi or chairs are scum and I know I am not. To be honest I will have to make time for a big ole re read because I just don't know anymore. Except that WW should be lynched, I mean, that part is obvious.
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« Reply #1110 on: March 24, 2016, 07:39:33 pm »

Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.

Rereading and I found this.  Which is exactly what RR was doing.  Well, not fakeclaiming scum exactly, but fakeclaiming not-town
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« Reply #1111 on: March 24, 2016, 07:40:15 pm »

Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.

Rereading and I found this.  Which is exactly what RR was doing.  Well, not fakeclaiming scum exactly, but fakeclaiming not-town

Which is funny.  I don't think it is anything to say about PPS or anything, but I just find it interesting
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« Reply #1112 on: March 24, 2016, 07:43:38 pm »

But I am invisible.

oh dont worry.  i have your number.  we can lynch you d3 or whenever.

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« Reply #1113 on: March 24, 2016, 08:05:15 pm »

But I am invisible.

oh dont worry.  i have your number.  we can lynch you d3 or whenever.

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« Reply #1114 on: March 24, 2016, 09:41:30 pm »

Ok.  Finished.  Lets do this thing.

player
Haddock
gkrieg
Witherweaver
Ichimaru Gin
Awaclus
PPS
Hydrad
chairs
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Persistant Cop
Watcher

Voyeur
Friendly Neighbor
Roleblocker...wait...doctor
Tracker
Doctor
N1 action
Targeted WW - innocent
Targeted e (Awaclus (confirmed) and WW (confirmed) targeted him)
Targeted e
targeted WW (no result) (contradicted by Haddock if PPS is doctor)
Targeted e (confirmed)
Targeted Ichi
Targeted PPS (PPS targeted Ichi)
Targeted Haddock
N2 action

Targeted WW (Haddock did not target, but nothing else claimed)

Targeted Awaclus (no actions used on him) (contradicted)
targeted chairs (confirmed)
Targeted Awaclus
Targeted chairs (chairs targeted haddock) (confirmed)
Targeted Haddock

And no one else has claimed. 

I do like an Ichi vote right now.  given the claims that we have I think he is most likely scum.  I mean, that would mean that town!PPS lied to us!  Oh, No!  Town should never lie!  Except....that isn't necessarily true.  Reference the Game of a Million Cops (Ashersky's 2015 mafia championship game).  I know, this is a totally different setup and a totally different group of people playing....but....I just think this lie comes off townie.  Like, planned to catch scum.  I don't know.  Call me crazy.  I like lynching Ichi today.
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« Reply #1115 on: March 24, 2016, 09:42:09 pm »

and crap.  the spacing is off if the page is too small.  Hope the table is still readable for you guys
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« Reply #1116 on: March 24, 2016, 09:43:54 pm »

Ok.  Finished.  Lets do this thing.

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Haddock
gkrieg
Witherweaver
Ichimaru Gin
Awaclus
PPS
Hydrad
chairs
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Persistant Cop
Watcher

Voyeur
Friendly Neighbor
Roleblocker...wait...doctor
Tracker
Doctor
N1 action
Targeted WW - innocent
Targeted e (Awaclus (confirmed) and WW (confirmed) targeted him)
Targeted e
targeted WW (no result) (contradicted by Haddock if PPS is doctor)
Targeted e (confirmed)
Targeted Ichi
Targeted PPS (PPS targeted Ichi)
Targeted Haddock
N2 action

Targeted WW (Haddock did not target, but nothing else claimed)

Targeted Awaclus (no actions used on him) (contradicted)
targeted chairs (confirmed)
Targeted Awaclus
Targeted chairs (chairs targeted haddock) (confirmed)
Targeted Haddock

And no one else has claimed. 

I do like an Ichi vote right now.  given the claims that we have I think he is most likely scum.  I mean, that would mean that town!PPS lied to us!  Oh, No!  Town should never lie!  Except....that isn't necessarily true.  Reference the Game of a Million Cops (Ashersky's 2015 mafia championship game).  I know, this is a totally different setup and a totally different group of people playing....but....I just think this lie comes off townie.  Like, planned to catch scum.  I don't know.  Call me crazy.  I like lynching Ichi today.

I think that helps being a quote
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1117 on: March 24, 2016, 09:48:18 pm »

Also, if I missed anything please feel free to quote my post and add to it
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« Reply #1118 on: March 24, 2016, 09:50:34 pm »

Ok.  Finished.  Lets do this thing.

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Haddock
gkrieg
Witherweaver
Ichimaru Gin
Awaclus
PPS
Hydrad
chairs
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Persistant Cop
Watcher

Voyeur
Friendly Neighbor
Roleblocker...wait...doctor
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Doctor
N1 action
Targeted WW - innocent
Targeted e (Awaclus (confirmed) and WW (confirmed) targeted him)
Targeted e
targeted WW (no result) (contradicted by Haddock if PPS is doctor)
Targeted e (confirmed)
Targeted Ichi
Targeted PPS (PPS targeted Ichi)
Targeted Haddock
N2 action

Targeted WW (Haddock did not target, but nothing else claimed)

Targeted Awaclus (no actions used on him) (contradicted)
targeted chairs (confirmed)
Targeted Awaclus
Targeted chairs (chairs targeted haddock) (confirmed)
Targeted Haddock

And no one else has claimed. 

I do like an Ichi vote right now.  given the claims that we have I think he is most likely scum.  I mean, that would mean that town!PPS lied to us!  Oh, No!  Town should never lie!  Except....that isn't necessarily true.  Reference the Game of a Million Cops (Ashersky's 2015 mafia championship game).  I know, this is a totally different setup and a totally different group of people playing....but....I just think this lie comes off townie.  Like, planned to catch scum.  I don't know.  Call me crazy.  I like lynching Ichi today.

He got no result because PPS roleblocked him right?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1119 on: March 24, 2016, 09:51:03 pm »

Wow. Thanks for putting the effort into that post! Definitely helps to see everything in one place.

I saw nothing N1, because I was apparently roleblocked by PPS. I wasn't told that nothing happened to WW, I just got no result from my voyeuring him. So, it's not contradicted.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1120 on: March 24, 2016, 09:52:26 pm »

except....PPS is claiming Doctor.  That he never was a RB.  Ever.  So either he is lying or you are
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« Reply #1121 on: March 24, 2016, 09:53:51 pm »

except....PPS is claiming Doctor.  That he never was a RB.  Ever.  So either he is lying or you are
Really? I thought he was claiming to have both doctor and roleblocking powers. Regardless, I still saw nothing N1.

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« Reply #1122 on: March 24, 2016, 09:54:58 pm »

Really? I thought he was claiming to have both doctor and roleblocking powers. ]

This is what I understood as well
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1123 on: March 24, 2016, 09:55:19 pm »

but yeah.  "no result" vs "no actions used" are two different things. 

I am just trying to figure out this PPS thing.  He lied, clearly.  But was it a town lie or a scum lie.  That is the question.  Town lie means that Ichi is scum.  Scum lie means that PPS is scum
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1124 on: March 24, 2016, 09:55:57 pm »

PPS - Have you ever actually roleblocked anyone?  Are you a doctor?  Do you have dual powers?
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« Reply #1125 on: March 24, 2016, 09:57:12 pm »

but yeah.  "no result" vs "no actions used" are two different things. 

I am just trying to figure out this PPS thing.  He lied, clearly.  But was it a town lie or a scum lie.  That is the question.  Town lie means that Ichi is scum.  Scum lie means that PPS is scum
Um. Did he? Is it somehow impossible for him to be a pick and choose either Doctor or Roleblocker every night or something? I mean, I was pretty surprised that he was like adding additional stuff his to his role, but I don't see anywhere where he said he was lying earlier.

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« Reply #1126 on: March 24, 2016, 09:57:29 pm »

I mean, it is conceivable that he is a town JOAT of some sort?  In which case why would he roleblock N1 to doctor N2?  Makes no sense.  But being both a roleblocker and doctor is just redundant and silly in my opinion.
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« Reply #1127 on: March 24, 2016, 09:58:36 pm »

but yeah.  "no result" vs "no actions used" are two different things. 

I am just trying to figure out this PPS thing.  He lied, clearly.  But was it a town lie or a scum lie.  That is the question.  Town lie means that Ichi is scum.  Scum lie means that PPS is scum

I don't think PPS lied as far as I can tell.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1128 on: March 24, 2016, 09:59:25 pm »

I mean, it is conceivable that he is a town JOAT of some sort?  In which case why would he roleblock N1 to doctor N2?  Makes no sense.  But being both a roleblocker and doctor is just redundant and silly in my opinion.

Isn't a roleblocker and a doctor just a JK?
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« Reply #1129 on: March 24, 2016, 10:02:45 pm »

I mean, it is conceivable that he is a town JOAT of some sort?  In which case why would he roleblock N1 to doctor N2?  Makes no sense.  But being both a roleblocker and doctor is just redundant and silly in my opinion.

Isn't a roleblocker and a doctor just a JK?

yes.  So I mean, I guess it makes sense.  I was confusing RB and JK in the post you quoted.  I mean.  Ok.  odd night RB and even night doctor makes sense.  Then we have no lies and no contradictions....still no.

because PPS's claim contradicts BOTH of Ichi's actions.  Ichi claimed "no result" a long time after it was said that he was roleblocked.  So scum!Ichi knew he had to claim that.  Except he didn't know PPS was actually lying about RB. If PPS was lying about RB.

either way, before I vote anywhere I want PPS to confirm exactly what his role is
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1130 on: March 25, 2016, 08:35:28 am »

I Roleblocked N1 and I Doctored N2. I have told zero lies. I can make no assertions as to what actions I might take tonight or if I can even take any.
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« Reply #1131 on: March 25, 2016, 08:59:25 am »

Ok. Then I was just confused by your claim
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1132 on: March 25, 2016, 09:14:01 am »

Ok.

PPS roleblocking Ichi N1 is consistent with Ichi's claimed "no result"

PPS doctoring Awaclus N2 is inconsistent with Ichi's claimed "no actions taken on Awaclus"

so either 1) redirection occurred or 2) either PPS or Ichimaru Gin is scum.  I think the likelihood that (1) occurred is actually pretty decent.  I mean, of our claimed roles we have:
Protective
RR - doctor
chairs- doctor
PPS - RB/doctor
Investigative
Haddock - persistant Cop
gkrieg - Watcher
Ichi - Voyeur
Hydrad - Tracker

Then we have IC-making friendly neighbor Awaclus.  Town is very strong.  Scum is going to be similarly strong.  I think in this game (especially given the setup) the idea is that scum powers are such that trusting our PR results is (almost) useless and (always) dangerous.

Which means....we just have to scum hunt and not necessarily go after contradictions in claims.  I think claims can inform our search for scum, but not necessarily prove it. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1133 on: March 25, 2016, 09:15:09 am »

Oops.  I don't know why I put RR down as a doctor.  he is a cop.  most likely a persistant cop, but just flipped town-aligned same as Haddock. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1134 on: March 25, 2016, 10:35:46 am »

I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully
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« Reply #1135 on: March 25, 2016, 12:55:51 pm »

I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully

Care to elaborate on my scummy behavior or are you just saying while scum hunting is a good idea in theory but we should mislynch today on principle?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1136 on: March 25, 2016, 12:57:37 pm »

I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully

Care to elaborate on my scummy behavior or are you just saying while scum hunting is a good idea in theory but we should mislynch today on principle?

I'll put together a case later today.  some of it does lean on the fact that out of you/IG, I lean more town on IG, and you guys have conflicting claims.
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« Reply #1137 on: March 25, 2016, 01:42:26 pm »

I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully

Care to elaborate on my scummy behavior or are you just saying while scum hunting is a good idea in theory but we should mislynch today on principle?

I'll put together a case later today.  some of it does lean on the fact that out of you/IG, I lean more town on IG, and you guys have conflicting claims.

I'm not seeing the conflict. I think IG is likely town. Looking off wagon I found gkrieg.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1138 on: March 25, 2016, 01:43:29 pm »

Here for a bit. Studying for a quiz.

I thought gkrieg was on wagon?

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1139 on: March 25, 2016, 01:47:20 pm »

Also, it only takes like one role to get us to the disparity we have between PPS and my results, right?
I kind of agree with e that we should be lynch based on scuminess, not role conflicts.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1140 on: March 25, 2016, 02:01:24 pm »

I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully

Care to elaborate on my scummy behavior or are you just saying while scum hunting is a good idea in theory but we should mislynch today on principle?

I'll put together a case later today.  some of it does lean on the fact that out of you/IG, I lean more town on IG, and you guys have conflicting claims.

I'm not seeing the conflict. I think IG is likely town. Looking off wagon I found gkrieg.

You need to work on your wagon analysis.  I was off-wagon for the mislynch and on-wagon for the scum lynch...  I'll repost my post about the wagons and we can go from there I guess.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1141 on: March 25, 2016, 02:02:22 pm »

Vote Count 1 Final

Haddock (1): Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (7): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle, chairs, Haddock, Witherweaver, e
chairs (2): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch..

 
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Vote Count 2 Final

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime

With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

So of the people still alive we have

on both: Hydrad, chairs, Awaclus
on mislynch, off scum lynch: e, WW
off mislynch, on scum lynch: gkrieg13, IG
off both: PPS
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1142 on: March 25, 2016, 03:14:05 pm »

Got a laboring wife right now so will be absent and hopefully explains why I have been so absent minded the past couple days (she was due Monday).
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« Reply #1143 on: March 25, 2016, 03:16:21 pm »

Got a laboring wife right now so will be absent and hopefully explains why I have been so absent minded the past couple days (she was due Monday).
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« Reply #1144 on: March 25, 2016, 07:33:42 pm »

Got a laboring wife right now so will be absent and hopefully explains why I have been so absent minded the past couple days (she was due Monday).

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1145 on: March 25, 2016, 08:59:22 pm »

e, ww, and PPS are my top lynch choices because of wagon position.

Of those, e and PPS seem more likely. 

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1146 on: March 25, 2016, 10:20:24 pm »

ahh this game is to hard.

can i have like a triple vig shot to just end and win?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1147 on: March 26, 2016, 12:45:48 am »

Vote Count 3.6

Witherweaver (1): Ichimaru Gin
pingpongsam (2): gkrieg13, chairs
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (4): pingpongsam, e, Witherweaver, Hydrad

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1148 on: March 26, 2016, 10:09:06 am »

ahh this game is to hard.

can i have like a triple vig shot to just end and win?

Doesn't scum need a triple vig shot?  Town only needs a double...
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« Reply #1149 on: March 26, 2016, 10:10:12 am »

ahh this game is to hard.

can i have like a triple vig shot to just end and win?

Doesn't scum need a triple vig shot?  Town only needs a double...

Well I guess there could be shenanigans but we don't appear to be at MYLO
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« Reply #1150 on: March 27, 2016, 03:06:07 pm »

Sigh I don't know. I'll be find with pss or Ichi/chairs
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« Reply #1151 on: March 27, 2016, 03:08:51 pm »

Oh hey guys.  Any other comments on the alleged contradictions and such?

Anyway, back to vote: Ichi
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« Reply #1152 on: March 27, 2016, 03:16:52 pm »

Oh hey guys.  Any other comments on the alleged contradictions and such?

Anyway, back to vote: Ichi
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« Reply #1153 on: March 27, 2016, 04:10:52 pm »

Vote Count 3.7

Witherweaver (1): Ichimaru Gin
pingpongsam (2): gkrieg13, chairs
Ichimaru Gin (2): Awaclus, e

Not Voting (3): pingpongsam, Witherweaver, Hydrad

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1154 on: March 27, 2016, 08:25:08 pm »

I guess I"ll vote: ww.

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« Reply #1155 on: March 27, 2016, 08:49:44 pm »

Vote: Ichi
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« Reply #1156 on: March 27, 2016, 09:02:46 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1157 on: March 27, 2016, 09:04:52 pm »

Seriously guys. We still have 2 days. Do not let scum!WW get away with this. He hasn't even said one word about chairs' claim.
I can't believe that after all his talk about voting people based on scumminess and not role contradictions, e is still voting for me.
PPS' claim is literally the only thing I've heard people hold against me.

I'm not scum, and I'm not going to be lynched by lazy scum this easily

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1158 on: March 27, 2016, 09:14:27 pm »

Also. WW did not post for four days. Then, he just votes me with no explanation.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1159 on: March 27, 2016, 09:23:07 pm »

You know, I'm getting pretty tired of certain players being consistently believed over others across games--regardless of the circumstances within those games. I'm not just talking about WW either. Perhaps it's inevitable, but seeing people playing meta-favorites gets pretty tiring when it's rarely (if ever) in my favor.

Just take a look at WW's posts. They are virtually all incredibly terse, and he's been lurking a ton almost exactly coinciding with people warming up to his lynch (and the whole passive suspicion of him thing). If you disappear, I guess people just forget about you. Maybe that's what I'll do next time.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1160 on: March 27, 2016, 09:24:47 pm »

And I mean, maybe you can just say that WW is a strictly better player than me. So other stuff being mostly equal, it's better to lynch me than him.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1161 on: March 27, 2016, 09:33:57 pm »

But, but, but....reasons.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1162 on: March 27, 2016, 10:22:02 pm »

Seriously guys. We still have 2 days. Do not let scum!WW get away with this. He hasn't even said one word about chairs' claim.
I can't believe that after all his talk about voting people based on scumminess and not role contradictions, e is still voting for me.
PPS' claim is literally the only thing I've heard people hold against me.

I'm not scum, and I'm not going to be lynched by lazy scum this easily

Scum!WW isn't getting away with anything.

I also don't feel like arguing.
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« Reply #1163 on: March 27, 2016, 10:29:53 pm »

I'm also kind of trusting e here.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1164 on: March 27, 2016, 10:37:51 pm »

I'm also kind of trusting e here.
I'm not surprised. e is voting for me.

I also don't feel like arguing.
Why would you when playing passively has got you this far, and will probably get you my death too?
You know, it isn't a me or you situation either. There are other people we could lynch.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1165 on: March 27, 2016, 10:40:29 pm »

WW is exactly like this as scum. I mean, he might be like this as town, too, but I know he is like this as scum.

I am not so sure Ichi is scum and I have the most reason to think he may be.

The thing I do feel strongly though is that one of the two of them is scum. With that in mind WW looks scummiest in the interaction between them.

 I am not opposed to either lynch but I would feel a little better about WW than Ichi.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1166 on: March 27, 2016, 10:41:08 pm »

I'm feeling a gkrieg WW scumteam
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1167 on: March 27, 2016, 10:54:42 pm »

I'm also kind of trusting e here.
I'm not surprised. e is voting for me.

I also don't feel like arguing.
Why would you when playing passively has got you this far, and will probably get you my death too?
You know, it isn't a me or you situation either. There are other people we could lynch.

I am open to other options.  Unless e get super stubborn.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1168 on: March 27, 2016, 10:55:08 pm »


The thing I do feel strongly though is that one of the two of them is scum.

This is a thing that is said by scum.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1169 on: March 28, 2016, 01:08:51 am »

I also feel strongly that one of the two of them is scum, and the other one is called Witherweaver.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1170 on: March 28, 2016, 09:14:23 am »

I also feel strongly that one of the two of them is scum, and the other one is called Witherweaver.

Interesting. Awaclus is the one person I'm willing to lose the game if he is scum.

Are you sure your not just getting confirmation bias, here?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1171 on: March 28, 2016, 09:30:21 am »

Vote: PPS
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1172 on: March 28, 2016, 09:39:46 am »

I also feel strongly that one of the two of them is scum, and the other one is called Witherweaver.

Interesting. Awaclus is the one person I'm willing to lose the game if he is scum.

Are you sure your not just getting confirmation bias, here?

Well, I am pretty sure that I'm not overlooking any evidence to the contrary.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1173 on: March 28, 2016, 09:50:19 am »

I want PPS as a lynch but would also go WW or e.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1174 on: March 28, 2016, 12:44:29 pm »

It would be nice if PPS and Hydrad voted.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1175 on: March 28, 2016, 02:10:09 pm »

Vote Count 3.8

Witherweaver (2): Ichimaru Gin, chairs
pingpongsam (2): gkrieg13, Witherweaver
Ichimaru Gin (2): Awaclus, e

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Hydrad

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1176 on: March 28, 2016, 05:12:54 pm »

Ehhhhh now I'm thinking it could be ww also. vote: pps i guess
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1177 on: March 28, 2016, 07:04:50 pm »

I haven't voted once this game. Does that seem scummy? What if I told you it was the towniest thing I could do? I mean, how do you think I get to do such cool and different things at night?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1178 on: March 28, 2016, 07:08:18 pm »

That said if WW gets L-1 and needs a push I'd be willing to do it although it renders me VT. Figured that I could get one more day of neatness before I'd have to vote to help town get lynches. Hitting scum yesterday bought me another day otherwise I'd already be voting today. I'd like to hit scum today too. I mean obviously, but I have more investment in it than my fellow townies.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1179 on: March 28, 2016, 07:22:58 pm »

I haven't voted once this game. Does that seem scummy? What if I told you it was the towniest thing I could do? I mean, how do you think I get to do such cool and different things at night?
Hmm. I think I believe this. It's possible that you came up with a plan ahead of time...but it kinda makes sense to have a drawback when you can (apparently) do a lot of other stuff.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1180 on: March 28, 2016, 10:03:29 pm »

I am more willing to switch to WW than pps
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1181 on: March 28, 2016, 10:04:15 pm »

You know what, let's

Vote: WW
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1182 on: March 28, 2016, 10:14:28 pm »

I am more willing to switch to WW than pps

Why are you not willing PPS?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1183 on: March 28, 2016, 10:21:07 pm »

I am more willing to switch to WW than pps

Why are you not willing PPS?

My townread on him. Abs actually, I don't know if I believe chairs claim

Vote: chairs
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1184 on: March 28, 2016, 10:22:08 pm »

I almost like this alternative wagon on chairs better than 2/3 of the other wagons
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1185 on: March 28, 2016, 10:22:19 pm »

"Wagon"
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1186 on: March 28, 2016, 10:37:39 pm »

I don't think alternative wagons are a great option right now.  Less than 24 hours to deadline
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1187 on: March 28, 2016, 10:39:16 pm »

Uh...no one has more than 2 votes. There are no wagons
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« Reply #1188 on: March 28, 2016, 10:40:55 pm »

Uh...no one has more than 2 votes. There are no wagons

Before you switched, the votes were 3 for WW, 3 for PPS, 1 for IG, and PPS isn't voting
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« Reply #1189 on: March 28, 2016, 10:42:24 pm »

Actually without PPS voting, all but 2 of us will have to decide on the same person.  Which means if that person isn't PPS, we need to get all but the person being voted and one other.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1190 on: March 28, 2016, 11:25:30 pm »

Oh yeah, I missed hydrad's vote.

Still. I like chairs more than either pps or Witherweaver
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1191 on: March 28, 2016, 11:29:33 pm »

Oh yeah, I missed hydrad's vote.

Still. I like chairs more than either pps or Witherweaver

I could go chairs to get a lynch through.  I would rather do PPS or WW.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1192 on: March 29, 2016, 10:20:58 am »

So we have like 8 hours right? 
Right now I think the two that I want to lynch are WW and PPS.

Can everyone else give at least two alternatives?  I'm afraid we're not gonna get a lynch through if we don't get on it.
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« Reply #1193 on: March 29, 2016, 10:24:03 am »

So we have like 8 hours right? 
Right now I think the two that I want to lynch are WW and PPS.

Can everyone else give at least two alternatives?  I'm afraid we're not gonna get a lynch through if we don't get on it.

PPS
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1194 on: March 29, 2016, 10:34:30 am »

Chairs
Ichi


Uh....I don't know.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1195 on: March 29, 2016, 10:36:18 am »

Vote Count 3.9

Witherweaver (2): Ichimaru Gin, chairs
pingpongsam (3): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, Hydrad {L-2}
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus
chairs (1): e

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1196 on: March 29, 2016, 10:40:22 am »

Just curious what the actual case is on me. From what I can tell I'm just an informative lynch but there is no real reason to believe I am scum. Only by proving me town do you prove my claims true and then go on to actually hunt scum. So, maybe my lynch has some value and is something we can afford since we have hit scum once so far. However, actually getting scum is exponentially more valuable.

Anyhow, I am willing to vote on:

Gkrieg, WW, chairs

My main issue with chairs is I think that if he is scum then there is obvious teaming with Ichi and I am having hard time seeing Ichi as scum.

I do have a vote and can use it any time but as soon as I issue a vote I am a VT at night, so I am not going to place willy nilly nor on someone I don't have good reason to suspect as scum.

I think I would prefer gkrieg over WW simply because of Awaclus.

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« Reply #1197 on: March 29, 2016, 10:42:24 am »

Just curious what the actual case is on me. From what I can tell I'm just an informative lynch but there is no real reason to believe I am scum. Only by proving me town do you prove my claims true and then go on to actually hunt scum. So, maybe my lynch has some value and is something we can afford since we have hit scum once so far. However, actually getting scum is exponentially more valuable.

That you say things like this.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1198 on: March 29, 2016, 10:47:24 am »


I think I would prefer gkrieg over WW simply because of Awaclus.

What does this mean?

I have no idea what the case on me is.
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« Reply #1199 on: March 29, 2016, 11:07:47 am »

You know what. I am keeping my vote on chairs

I unfortunately won't be around for the deadline probably, but I like that lynch better than any other.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1200 on: March 29, 2016, 11:17:54 am »

vote: pps.

I think if PPS flips town, ww is probably scum. I'm expecting to die tonight now that I've outed myself.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1201 on: March 29, 2016, 12:07:59 pm »


I think I would prefer gkrieg over WW simply because of Awaclus.

What does this mean?

I have no idea what the case on me is.

Apparently it's the thing to vote people who ask these sorts of questions. But to answer your question Awaclus has a claimed interaction with WW whereas you have nothing of note. I am suspicious of people with nothing of note. Scum can't afford to wager things of note.
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« Reply #1202 on: March 29, 2016, 12:18:35 pm »


I think I would prefer gkrieg over WW simply because of Awaclus.

What does this mean?

I have no idea what the case on me is.

Apparently it's the thing to vote people who ask these sorts of questions. But to answer your question Awaclus has a claimed interaction with WW whereas you have nothing of note. I am suspicious of people with nothing of note. Scum can't afford to wager things of note.

The interaction is that Awaclus targeted WW as a friendly neighbor.  That has nothing to do with WW's alignment.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1203 on: March 29, 2016, 12:18:58 pm »

That puts PPS at L-1
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1204 on: March 29, 2016, 12:23:53 pm »

No, Awaclus didn't target me.  Haddock copped me Night 1, and his result was distributed to Awaclus when he died. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1205 on: March 29, 2016, 12:38:37 pm »

No, Awaclus didn't target me.  Haddock copped me Night 1, and his result was distributed to Awaclus when he died.

Oh ya.  I still don't think that counts as an interaction like PPS is stating.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1206 on: March 29, 2016, 01:16:30 pm »

Ichi was the one claiming an interaction
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1207 on: March 29, 2016, 01:17:13 pm »

Either way. Should totally lynch chairs
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1208 on: March 29, 2016, 01:19:54 pm »

I will vote: chairs over pps.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1209 on: March 29, 2016, 01:42:41 pm »

Vote Count 3.10

pingpongsam (4): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, Hydrad, chairs {L-1}
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus
chairs (2): e, Ichimaru Gin

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Mar 29, 6 PM forum time. That is in 4h 17m.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1210 on: March 29, 2016, 03:05:50 pm »

I will vote: chairs over pps.
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Scum wants to be off wagon on a mislynch

We can lynch ichi tomorrow though.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1211 on: March 29, 2016, 03:08:33 pm »

I will vote: chairs over pps.
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Scum wants to be off wagon on a mislynch

We can lynch ichi tomorrow though.
lol. They could both be mislynches. I just think pps claim is more believable.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1212 on: March 29, 2016, 03:12:31 pm »

Also notable that you think im scummy for doing what you asked people to do. Im not the one who started the alt chairs wagon.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1213 on: March 29, 2016, 03:19:22 pm »

I will most likely not be around for the deadline
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1214 on: March 29, 2016, 03:19:32 pm »

But I like my vote where it is.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1215 on: March 29, 2016, 03:50:31 pm »

Well, we need a lynch.

Vote: pps
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1216 on: March 29, 2016, 04:24:08 pm »

Thread locked!

Vote Count 3 Final

pingpongsam (5): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, Hydrad, chairs, e
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus
chairs (1): Ichimaru Gin

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1217 on: March 29, 2016, 04:26:12 pm »

pingpongsam has been lynched. He was a Town-Aligned Modified Jack of all Trades.

Night 3 starts now and lasts until March 30, 6 PM Forum Time. At request it can be prolonged by one day, like last time. Actions are due up until one hour before deadline.
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« Reply #1218 on: March 30, 2016, 07:42:12 pm »

Awaclus has died in the night. He was a Friendly Neighbor.

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« Reply #1219 on: March 30, 2016, 07:48:40 pm »

Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (6): gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.71828....., Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, chairs

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends at April 6, 6 PM Forum Time.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1220 on: March 30, 2016, 08:11:32 pm »

Bah
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1221 on: March 30, 2016, 11:07:07 pm »

Damn.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1222 on: March 31, 2016, 12:59:08 am »

Wait chairs did you not Doctor Awaclus?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1223 on: March 31, 2016, 01:00:59 am »

Considering we are probably at MYLO, we should probably full claim.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1224 on: March 31, 2016, 02:59:26 am »

Can we lynch ichi now?

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1225 on: March 31, 2016, 02:59:53 am »

Oops

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1226 on: March 31, 2016, 03:02:28 am »

Guess I can claim now.

I am a persistent cop.

I believe that I am sane.

N1 result: ichi is guilty
N2 result: WW is innocent
N3 result: chairs is innocent
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1227 on: March 31, 2016, 03:03:36 am »

But it is lylo isn't it? We should be careful. I will

Unvote

For now, just to have discussion
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1228 on: March 31, 2016, 03:14:55 am »

I'm here for a bit. Have a test tomorrow morning, going to bed like right now. I can post more after that.

I voyeured Awaclus again last night, saw that the actions taken on him were a killing and an other.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1229 on: March 31, 2016, 08:08:41 am »

I'm an idiot, and doctored e last night.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1230 on: March 31, 2016, 05:29:29 pm »

I think mass claim is good
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1231 on: March 31, 2016, 08:00:06 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1232 on: March 31, 2016, 08:27:29 pm »

I'm an idiot, and doctored e last night.

Really???????????
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1233 on: April 01, 2016, 09:23:54 am »

I mean, with my results, there are still several possibilities for how things could have been messed up with my results.

But the fact of the matter:

pps blocked ichi N1: no kill
I investigated ichi: guilty
Ichi claims no actions were used on Awaclus N2: conf!town pps doctored Awaclus N2.

Therefore, ichi is scum

Discuss.  Or talk about other stuff. But don't stagnate here. We are in the home stretch, and I think we are looking good
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1234 on: April 01, 2016, 09:25:14 am »

N1 data you're suggesting isn't perfect. however, N2 claim conflicts are enough for me.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1235 on: April 01, 2016, 09:55:46 am »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1236 on: April 01, 2016, 10:37:35 am »

Guess I can claim now.

I am a persistent cop.

I believe that I am sane.

N1 result: ichi is guilty
N2 result: WW is innocent
N3 result: chairs is innocent

So no one received Haddock's Night 2 result?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1237 on: April 01, 2016, 10:38:53 am »

Oh, he doesn't actually get to perform the night he's killed?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1238 on: April 01, 2016, 10:43:14 am »

Oh, he doesn't actually get to perform the night he's killed?

This is correct if his role is identical to mine.

Killing happens before investigation in the night resolution order
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1239 on: April 01, 2016, 10:46:24 am »

I'm still really wary of you two having exactly identical roles.

Okay.. maybe Haddock wasn't actually sane.  It could be that he always got "Town/Innocent" results.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1240 on: April 01, 2016, 10:46:46 am »

I guess that's Innocent Cop.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1241 on: April 01, 2016, 10:58:45 am »

I'm still really wary of you two having exactly identical roles.

Okay.. maybe Haddock wasn't actually sane.  It could be that he always got "Town/Innocent" results.

I don't think it is that crazy. Both cops, random sanity. Only 4 options for sanity and two people rolling the same sanity isn't that crazy
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1242 on: April 01, 2016, 11:06:28 am »

I'm still really wary of you two having exactly identical roles.

Okay.. maybe Haddock wasn't actually sane.  It could be that he always got "Town/Innocent" results.

I don't think it is that crazy. Both cops, random sanity. Only 4 options for sanity and two people rolling the same sanity isn't that crazy

I don't see where it says sanity is chosen randomly.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1243 on: April 01, 2016, 12:18:03 pm »

What happened to the massclaim?

The only thing that I can conclude is that scum is responsible for the result I got N2. I would like to think that town would have spoken up by now if they had caused it.
Please consider that it only takes one night action to mess up my results. All PPS did was doctor Awaclus; he didn't receive a result about his action being successful or not--or whether it got redirected to someone else. There are at least three different (general) ways that this could happen: if myself, Awaclus, or PPS were interfered with. This of course assumes that PPS was the only one to target Awaclus that night besides me

I got the result that I did, and I will be very dissapointed if people lynch me over something that is so easily explained. It's RMM. There are lots of PRs (and scum PRs) that could have caused this.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1244 on: April 01, 2016, 12:19:23 pm »

What happened to the massclaim?

The only thing that I can conclude is that scum is responsible for the result I got N2. I would like to think that town would have spoken up by now if they had caused it.
Please consider that it only takes one night action to mess up my results. All PPS did was doctor Awaclus; he didn't receive a result about his action being successful or not--or whether it got redirected to someone else. There are at least three different (general) ways that this could happen: if myself, Awaclus, or PPS were interfered with. This of course assumes that PPS was the only one to target Awaclus that night besides me

I got the result that I did, and I will be very dissapointed if people lynch me over something that is so easily explained. It's RMM. There are lots of PRs (and scum PRs) that could have caused this.

But e has a result on you.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1245 on: April 01, 2016, 12:22:42 pm »

e who is claiming an identical role as Haddock?

I can only conclude that e is insane, or I was framed or something. Maybe that sounds weak, but these are purely PR stuff.
From my perspective, I am certain of my townhood and thus there must be an explanation for why e's result on me is wrong.

Fat chance that scum is going to come forward with that info though.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1246 on: April 01, 2016, 12:23:39 pm »

Also, Mafiascum hurts my eyes.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1247 on: April 01, 2016, 12:25:54 pm »

e who is claiming an identical role as Haddock?

I can only conclude that e is insane, or I was framed or something. Maybe that sounds weak, but these are purely PR stuff.
From my perspective, I am certain of my townhood and thus there must be an explanation for why e's result on me is wrong.

Fat chance that scum is going to come forward with that info though.

e is not insane, because he got an innocent result on me.  Unless he is lying. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1248 on: April 01, 2016, 12:27:14 pm »

e who is claiming an identical role as Haddock?

I can only conclude that e is insane, or I was framed or something. Maybe that sounds weak, but these are purely PR stuff.
From my perspective, I am certain of my townhood and thus there must be an explanation for why e's result on me is wrong.

Fat chance that scum is going to come forward with that info though.

e is not insane, because he got an innocent result on me.  Unless he is lying.
Well. I guess it's up to people to examine ancillary information and my play this game to determine if they want to lynch me. I can't argue against e's result other than say that I am certain there is an explanation for why its wrong.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1249 on: April 01, 2016, 12:31:07 pm »

So, I am a neighborizer.  Both e and Ichi can verify this.

Each night I may invite players.  I get a number of invites up to the number of people that voted for me during the previous day.  The neighborhood opens at the end of that night and stays open during the day, until the next night.

Note that Day 1 I tried to get people to vote for me.

Night 1: Invited Haddock and e.
Night 2: Didn't do anything
Night 3: Invited e, Ichi, and Awaclus.

Awaclus died so he never showed up.  During Night 1, Haddock and e claimed in neighborhood; Haddock targeted me with Innocent, e targeted Ichi with guilty.  We decided next night that they would switch targets (Haddock to Ichi, e to me) to test (or provide some checking to) their sanity. 

This is why we half went after Ichi D2, and why I was willing to sheep e D3. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1250 on: April 01, 2016, 12:31:48 pm »

This is also why e, Haddock threw out a lot of 'accidental' votes for me. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1251 on: April 01, 2016, 12:33:25 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1252 on: April 01, 2016, 12:33:39 pm »

e could be opportunistic scum, but I really don't see it.  Since Haddock only got one investigation in, he could either be Sane or the one that always gives innocent (Naive I think).   e, if his claims are true, can only be Sane (modulo possible Redirection or fixed-shot Psychotroopering)
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1253 on: April 01, 2016, 12:34:07 pm »

WW is telling the truth. I hadn't checked until now, but I was invited to a neighborhood with him and e.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1254 on: April 01, 2016, 12:34:48 pm »

Ichi hasn't posted in the neighborhood.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1255 on: April 01, 2016, 12:35:37 pm »

Well, this is of note.

If Ichi is telling the truth about not checking the neighborhood, he wouldn't know Awaclus is invited, and thus wouldn't know to claim Awaclus was targetted by an 'Other' role.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1256 on: April 01, 2016, 12:36:29 pm »

Meaning he is a Watcher.

Didn't Gkrieg claim something investigative?  Gkrieg, can you full claim?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1257 on: April 01, 2016, 12:37:52 pm »

unvote.

This is getting craaazy.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1258 on: April 01, 2016, 09:07:18 pm »

I tracked ww and confirm that he targetted those guys
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1259 on: April 02, 2016, 12:00:40 am »

Sorry only on mobile for the next few days.

I'm a modified watcher. I can only target people who were on a mislynch or off a scum lynch.

I've already claimed my targets for other days, and last night I targeted chairs and got that e visited chairs.

The night before I got that e targeted WW,
The night before that I got that awaclus and WW targeted e

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1260 on: April 02, 2016, 12:03:27 pm »

Who hasn't claimed yet?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1261 on: April 02, 2016, 12:03:55 pm »

Sorry only on mobile for the next few days.

I'm a modified watcher. I can only target people who were on a mislynch or off a scum lynch.

I've already claimed my targets for other days, and last night I targeted chairs and got that e visited chairs.

The night before I got that e targeted WW,
The night before that I got that awaclus and WW targeted e

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1262 on: April 02, 2016, 12:04:43 pm »

Do we think scum has actual (normal town) investigation roles? 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1263 on: April 02, 2016, 01:45:10 pm »

Ya i think there was one thing that wasn't public information.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1264 on: April 02, 2016, 01:58:15 pm »

Ya i think there was one thing that wasn't public information.

No, that was all already claimed.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1265 on: April 02, 2016, 02:39:57 pm »

Ya i think there was one thing that wasn't public information.

No, that was all already claimed.

Wasn't I last to claim?  Doesn't that make it impossible to claim something new as a watcher?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1266 on: April 02, 2016, 02:46:24 pm »

Ya i think there was one thing that wasn't public information.

No, that was all already claimed.

Wasn't I last to claim?  Doesn't that make it impossible to claim something new as a watcher?

I don't know, I haven't been keeping track.

Am I only one that is not an investigator?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1267 on: April 03, 2016, 08:45:15 am »

Vote Count 4.1

Ichimaru Gin (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (5): Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, Hydrad, e, chairs

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends at Apr 6, 6 PM forum time. That is in 3 days and 9+ hours.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1268 on: April 03, 2016, 05:31:31 pm »

slow weekend.  Anyway, I still think Ichi is scum
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1269 on: April 03, 2016, 05:54:39 pm »

slow weekend.  Anyway, I still think Ichi is scum
for...reasons?

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1270 on: April 03, 2016, 06:03:02 pm »

Can someone summarize claims?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1271 on: April 04, 2016, 02:44:43 pm »

So we have just over 2 days left.  I would be fine lynching IG or WW.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1272 on: April 05, 2016, 06:30:07 am »

Vote Count 4.2

Ichimaru Gin (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (5): Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, Hydrad, e, chairs

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends at Apr 6, 6 PM forum time. That is in 35h 30m.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1273 on: April 05, 2016, 09:46:29 am »

Vote: ichi
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Re: Night 2 start
« Reply #1274 on: April 05, 2016, 09:53:34 am »

Limetime has been lynched. He was Mafia-Aligned.

Night 2 starts now and ends at March 20, 6 PM am Forum Time. Night Actions may be submitted up until one hour before deadline.

That is a shorter night than as stated in the rules. If anyone wants the full length, he can ask for it in his QT (during the next 24 hours) and I will lengthen it.


So scum flips without Role?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1275 on: April 05, 2016, 09:54:08 am »

Or does this mean he was a Goon?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1276 on: April 05, 2016, 09:55:44 am »

Or does this mean he was a Goon?
Doesnt it usualy say goon though?
I dont know. Lynching me is still bad though.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1277 on: April 05, 2016, 09:57:12 am »

So I think we have (modulo modifiers):

gkrieg13:         Watcher
Hydrad:           Tracker
2.71828.....:     Cop
Witherweaver: Neighborizer
Ichimaru Gin:   Voyeur
chairs:             Doctor

Dead people:

Awaclus (Friendly Neighbor) (Died Night 3)
Roadrunner7671 (Cop) (Died Day 1)
pingpongsam (Modified Jack of all Trades) (Died Day 3)
Haddock (Cop) (Died Night 2)
Limetime (Mafia-Aligned) (Died Day 2)
Axxle (Lover, Gambler) (Died Day 1)

Is that right?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1278 on: April 05, 2016, 09:57:52 am »

Or does this mean he was a Goon?
Doesnt it usualy say goon though?
I dont know. Lynching me is still bad though.

My point is that no one's claim seems false, meaning I suspect people actually have those roles.  Meaning scum has actual investigative roles.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1279 on: April 05, 2016, 10:15:24 am »

Sorry I'm not contributing, I've been in a car most of the past 3 days and now I"m at work.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1280 on: April 05, 2016, 10:27:28 am »

So I think we have (modulo modifiers):

gkrieg13:         Watcher
Hydrad:           Tracker
2.71828.....:     Cop
Witherweaver: Neighborizer
Ichimaru Gin:   Voyeur
chairs:             Doctor

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Awaclus (Friendly Neighbor) (Died Night 3)
Roadrunner7671 (Cop) (Died Day 1)
pingpongsam (Modified Jack of all Trades) (Died Day 3)
Haddock (Cop) (Died Night 2)
Limetime (Mafia-Aligned) (Died Day 2)
Axxle (Lover, Gambler) (Died Day 1)

Is that right?

Yeah, this looks right. I also agree that scum were probably given real roles that seem townie in order to avoid IC creation. Creating pseudo-ICs seems like something silverspawn really does not like in a setup, and I would not be surprised that scum got 'town' roles to prevent that
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1281 on: April 05, 2016, 10:31:47 am »

Which it then falls back onto who has plated scummily, as well as where the results take us. I really don't think anyone alive has been all that 'scummy' - but two of them are scum.

And I think ichi is the best target. Can I build an amazing case? Probably not. But his contradiction with pps along with my result convicts him in my opinion.

And actually, now that I look at it, should never have hammered. A no lynch is not the worst thing in the world right now. Another night to use powers, and gets us to a regular 5 alive/2 scum. Then 3 alive/1 scum
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1282 on: April 05, 2016, 10:40:52 am »

I don't have strong feelings here, and feelings are how I usually do things.  I don't think I've reread this game yet.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1283 on: April 05, 2016, 11:56:34 pm »

Vote Count 4.3

Ichimaru Gin (2): gkrieg13, e

Not Voting (4): Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, Hydrad, chairs

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends at Apr 6, 6 PM forum time. That is in 18h 3m.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1284 on: April 06, 2016, 12:11:36 am »

I guess a no lynch would be good as well today maybe. Assuming we are at MYLO
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1285 on: April 06, 2016, 12:38:32 am »

So....town can post stuff.  That is a thing.  I haven't been the best, but some people have just been absolutely absent. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1286 on: April 06, 2016, 12:45:52 am »

Vote: IG

its basically if e is scum or not i think.

if chairs doctors e e can check me/gkrieg and we win?

the fact that this hasn't really come up makes me think e might be scum? but ah I think its IG
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1287 on: April 06, 2016, 12:45:58 am »

also L-1
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1288 on: April 06, 2016, 06:06:26 pm »

I am doing the end-of-day ceremonies since silver is busy.

Deadline has been reached, and a No Lynch has occurred.

silver will do the deadlines etc. when he returns, but for now:

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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1289 on: April 07, 2016, 04:31:29 am »

Vote Count 4 Final

Ichimaru Gin (3): gkrieg13, e, Hydrad

Not Voting (3): Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, chairs

With 6 alive, it would have taken 4 to lynch.

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« Reply #1290 on: April 07, 2016, 04:32:54 am »

No-one has beeen lynched. Night 4 starts now and lasts until April 09, 4 PM Forum Time.

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« Reply #1291 on: April 09, 2016, 04:01:37 pm »

chairs has died in the Night. He was a Town-Aligned Doctor.

Day 5 start!

Vote Count 5.0:

Not Voting (5): Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, Hydrad, e, gkrieg13

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 5 ends at April 16, 4 PM Forum Time.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Night 4)
« Reply #1292 on: April 09, 2016, 04:02:37 pm »

Vote: Ichi
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1293 on: April 09, 2016, 04:11:03 pm »

welp. at least it didn't lose us the game.

so. its really is e lying or not. I pretty much believe him at the moment.

I'm fine with Ichi also but won't vote incase of quick hammer stuff.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1294 on: April 09, 2016, 05:36:13 pm »

I think it should definitely be IG today. But will also wait
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1295 on: April 09, 2016, 06:22:49 pm »

I don't have much interest in this one, so whatever.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1296 on: April 09, 2016, 06:23:31 pm »

people should claim last night's actions I guess
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1297 on: April 09, 2016, 06:24:20 pm »

Couldn't take one
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1298 on: April 09, 2016, 11:51:38 pm »

I got hydrad as innocent last night
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1299 on: April 09, 2016, 11:53:16 pm »

Vote: ichi
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1300 on: April 10, 2016, 12:14:02 am »

Vote: ichi
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1301 on: April 10, 2016, 12:20:03 am »

Thus concludes D5
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« Reply #1302 on: April 10, 2016, 06:53:47 am »

Vote Count 5 Final:

Ichimaru Gin (3): Witherweaver, e, Hydrad
Not Voting (2): Ichimaru Gin, gkrieg13

With 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch.

Ichimaru Gin has been lynched. He was Mafia-Aligned.

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« Reply #1303 on: April 11, 2016, 05:11:25 am »

Hydrad has died in the Night. He was a Town-Aligned Tracker.

Day 6 start!

Vote Count 6.0:

Not Voting (3): Witherweaver, e, gkrieg13

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. Day 6 ends at April 18, 5 AM Forum Time.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1304 on: April 11, 2016, 08:44:28 am »

So why isn't claimed cop dead?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1305 on: April 11, 2016, 10:02:29 am »

That is very interesting.  I was fully expecting not to have to make a decision here.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1306 on: April 11, 2016, 10:03:55 am »

So....I got a guilty result for gkrieg last night.

Everything points to him being scum (as far as results so)
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1307 on: April 11, 2016, 10:07:02 am »

I mean, I can only assume that scum was hoping that by keeping me alive they could somehow discredit what I claimed.  In fact, it seems easier to discredit a cop than a tracker in this game since the setup speaks to cops being unreliable, but trackers have no such issue.  So Hydrad coming out with, say, a tracking result that gkrieg targeted me would be more implicating than a the result that I got that gkrieg is scum
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1308 on: April 11, 2016, 10:08:17 am »

Well I wasn't able to watch anyone last night again.

I guess I'll reread both of you
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1309 on: April 11, 2016, 10:10:25 am »

Well I wasn't able to watch anyone last night again.

I guess I'll reread both of you

but....like....what kind of scum claims non-results like this?  Seriously?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1310 on: April 11, 2016, 10:18:19 am »

Well I wasn't able to watch anyone last night again.

I guess I'll reread both of you

but....like....what kind of scum claims non-results like this?  Seriously?

I don't get what you mean. I'm only able to watch people who are on mislynches or off scum lynches. The last two days there haven't been any of those that weren't me.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1311 on: April 11, 2016, 10:19:27 am »

oh.  yeah.  reading and remembering what people claim.

makes sense.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1312 on: April 11, 2016, 10:28:11 am »

Vote Count 1 Final

Haddock (1): Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (7): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle, chairs, Haddock, Witherweaver, e
chairs (2): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch..

Vote Count 2 Final

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime

With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Vote Count 3 Final

pingpongsam (5): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, Hydrad, chairs, e
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus
chairs (1): Ichimaru Gin

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 4 Final

Ichimaru Gin (3): gkrieg13, e, Hydrad

Not Voting (3): Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, chairs

With 6 alive, it would have taken 4 to lynch.

Vote Count 5 Final:

Ichimaru Gin (3): Witherweaver, e, Hydrad
Not Voting (2): Ichimaru Gin, gkrieg13

With 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1313 on: April 11, 2016, 10:42:06 am »

I have to get ready to go into work, but I don't plan on voting too quickly here.  I have a lot of questions. 

1) Like, would all the scum really have been off wagon D1?  I mean, its possible, but doesn't seem that likely. 

2) Would both scum have bussed their partner on D2? 

3) D3 was the awful mislynch of PPS, I need to go back through that day (and previous days) and see who was really pushing that PPS wagon.  Both WW and gkrieg were on it, but which one is scum in that equation? 

4) Why would WW be so timid and not lynch Ichi D4 but then come out guns blazing to lynch him on D5? 

On the surface level, looking at all of these reads, Witherweaver fits in as scum.  But that is where my results get thrown in.  Except.....there is a caveat there.  The setup was very clear that possibilities exist where scum can mess with results.  And I am very worried about that.  Like, very worried.

1) I investigated WW when he knew I was investigating him.  I investigated him as a double check reference on Haddock's sanity and to get a point to work from.  But he knew there was a good chance that I would be investigating him.  Could he have messed with my result?  Could he be god-father like?  Except that wouldn't explain my guilty result on a town!gkrieg unless he can push his result changing powers onto other people.

Anyway, I plan on doing a full reread.  I assume I will be the one making the ultimate decision, so if you guys want to answer some of the questions I posed that would be great.  I will look for answers myself as well. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1314 on: April 11, 2016, 10:43:49 am »

On the other hand, this is probably me just trying to talk myself out of an obvious lynching of scum.  I was really hoping that I would be dead.  But yeah, it does make more sense that Hydrad died as the tracker (something that scum can't affect - which makes me question my results even more).
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1315 on: April 11, 2016, 10:46:54 am »

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4) Why would WW be so timid and not lynch Ichi D4 but then come out guns blazing to lynch him on D5? 

This was just negligence on my part and not realizing the deadline was up. 

I wasn't that sure Ichi was scum, even Day 5, but he should have been lynched the day before (or even earlier), and I was willing to lose if he wasn't.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1316 on: April 11, 2016, 10:47:05 am »

But for now....off to work.  Probably won't hear from me for a while.  It is going to be a busy day.  Full of long, horrible meetings that I have to attend because my boss (and his boss - the person who would usually be in those meetings) aren't going to be at work today.  So yay.  Death by PowerPoint here I come
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1317 on: April 11, 2016, 12:20:38 pm »

I'll get more into this later today. My availability will be fairly low because it's finals week. But I'm also graduating, so I'll probably study less than I have other semesters
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1318 on: April 11, 2016, 06:03:07 pm »

Ok I'm gonna do two rereads tonight.  I'll start with WW
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1319 on: April 11, 2016, 06:51:20 pm »

WW D1:
  votes limetime
  votes IG
  votes e
  votes Haddock
  votes gkrieg
  Up until this point, he doesn't really say much other than voting and one-liners that don't really add to the game.
 
I voted Gkrieg because he played some defense for Haddock at a time where scum would feel the need to make a decision abut a town!Haddock.

White knighting, basically.
  He actually gives a reason for voting for me.
  Doesn't like e gunning for him, says his reads list is fishing
  unvotes
  says Haddock is scummy for voting for Awaclus then unvoting after Awa explains himself
  comments on Awaclus's vote for Haddock and my vote for Hydrad
  Talks more with Haddock about his Awaclus vote
  Wants to vote someone on the Hydrad wagon
  doesn't vote for Axxle because of a D1 pass, and he thinks axxle is townie
  Notably, he doesn't hammer Hydrad
  votes for RR, then pushes the wagon on him, saying we shouldn't keep a survivor alive.  I'm still unsure what this means with regards to people's alignment when they push for a D1 survivor lynch.  I just keep remembering Mistborn Mafia, where D1 there was a survivor claim (ironically it was a town misunderstanding) and the people that were pushing it were all scum.  Or at least the last 3 or 4 people on the wagon were scum.  So I think pushing a survivor wagon is slightly scummy to me.
  Talks about the setup, mainly if survivor is possible
  Says we could lynch Awaclus or IG in place of RR, in a lighthearted way
  votes for Awaclus
  votes RR
  votes gkrieg, says he would vote anyone but Haddock to get a lynch through
  says he doesn't really want to go for the limetime wagon
  unvotes
  puts RR at L-1

  So from D1, my conclusion is that he looks a lot like WW D1.  Lots of jokes, lots of votes.  I think the biggest points against him is that he didn't really want a limetime lynch.  He pushes for IG, but never actually votes for him (outside of RVS).  He doesn't hammer Hydrad, which puts him on the townier side, but the wagon came together so fast I think he would've looked very scummy hammering at that point.  He pushes the RR lynch, which as I said above I give a slight scum feel to.

D2:
  PPS claims that he RB'd IG, and IG says he targeted WW and we didn't have a NK that night.  Wow this is pretty huge for WW.  I have to think if there is a situation where this doesn't look like WW is IC, but I can't think anything up at the moment.  I guess chairs could've doctored the correct person, and IG really just didn't target WW at all.
  votes for IG
  votes for gkrieg
  talks about my claim and verifies that he targeted e

  So D2 he gets a whole lot townier.  There is the course of events that he is scum, but with IG flipping scum, the simplest explanation is that WW was targeted for the NK and then he lived because IG was RB'd.  Although I guess IG could've been lying about his target.  We actually didn't get either of the mafia-aligned roles on flip, so there is no way to confirm that IG was ever a voyeur at all.  He also ends up off a scum wagon, so scum points

D3:
  votes for IG after e votes for him, which makes sense with the whole neighborhood thing as far as I understand it
  e says he won't claim anything ever, even at L-1
  Tells IG that he is insane or wrong.  then unvotes when IG explains himself again
  votes IG again
  votes PPS
  His top three lynch candidates are PPS/IG/gkrieg
 
  From D3, he doesn't seem all that much scummier nor townier.  Once again he votes IG when there isn't much pressure on IG then unvotes when nobody takes him up on it.  I think it would've looked townier if we ever got a large wagon going on IG.  But there were lots of interactions D3 between him and IG, and I feel partners try to avoid that if they can.  Ultimately ends up on a mislynch again.

D4:
  talks more setup stuff with e about cops
  says that e can't be insane because he got two different results and one of them was an innocent result on WW.
  He claims and explains some of his scummy behavior.  I don't know what to think about this explanation.  I think his willingness to sheep e is well explained by a neighborhood, as is his going after IG, but only partially.
  He talks more about how IG really is probably a voyeur
  talks about how my claim is all public knowledge.  I think this was more true because I was last to claim, and was a watcher.
  says that he thinks scum actually has investigative roles.
  day ends in a no lynch

  So WW could've gotten on and voted for IG and hammered him.  I don't think it is really that scummy that he didn't.  It is probably better that we had an odd number going into LYLO anyway.  I think WW gets a lot townier from his analysis of things D4.  He does a kind of soft defense of IG saying that he is actually probably a voyeur, but then says that he thinks scum has investigative roles. 

D5:
  votes for IG right off the bat
  says he doesn't have much interest

  So nothing really from this day

Conclusion:

  So overall, I think I am still on the fence about WW.  He got a lot townier in the recent few days, and the IG/PPS RB thing makes me think he is town.  I think he would've killed e coming into the last day because of the results that e has on him and IG, so I really doubt that he is scum, because he could've made himself a super IC coming into the last day.

I'm gonna take a break then reread e.
 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1320 on: April 11, 2016, 09:10:18 pm »

e D1:
  gives PPS a D1 pass
  RVS votes chairs
  Says that he will wait til D3 to lynch Hydrad.  Also RVS
  votes WW sheeping another RVS
  votes Haddock for defending him
  likes the Haddock wagon
  says Awaclus's vote on Haddock is strange
  votes WW
  says that Haddock is a good D2, D3 lynch
  sheeps limetime onto Hydrad and puts him at L-1
  makes a reads list.  He has limetime and IG as not lynch today
  says he is fishing for a case on WW, and that it isn't bad D1
  says he likes Hydrad at L-1 the more he is there
  votes Axxle
  his scum read on WW changes quickly to a town read
  tries to get the game moving again
  says limetime is townie by trying to get the game moving forward
  votes for Hydrad an puts him at L-1 again
  then unvotes
  says Hydrad sitting at L-1 for so long has to mean something
  votes for RR
  puts out a case that RR has been jokey with not much content
  says RR is claiming survivor, then he actually does claim survivor
  says he is willing to let survivors live past D1 and votes for chairs
  keeps advocating for keeping RR alive
  says everyone that isn't voting is bad
  votes for haddock
  rereads while drunk
  gives a case on Haddock
  says we can lynch IG D3 or something.  Not sure how much of this drunk stuff I want to put in here
  votes gkrieg
  gives another reads list, once again IG is not lynching today and limetime is "This is just a bad lynch.  You guys voting for him should feel bad."
  votes for chairs
  tries to build a case on chairs
  wants to go gkrieg or chairs but will switch to RR
  hammers RR

  So e is trying to push a lot of wagons D1.  His two reads list have limetime and IG as townie enough that he wouldn't lynch either of them.  It is also strange to me that he doesn't want to lynch RR more after both he and Haddock claim cop, when he is a cop.

D2:
  starts the day voting IG
  votes WW
  goes back to voting for IG
  defends limetime once again.
  says he Haddock, gkrieg, pps are town
  says he won't hammer limetime, and is kinda frantic about it (might be buzzed again?)
 
  This is a very scummy day for e.  He defends limetime a lot and tries to push the lynch onto other people.

D3:
  starts the day off voting for IG
  says that his vote on limetime was trying to get town cred
  says he thinks the N1 RB is the best reason for no N1NK
  he responds to my case on him by saying that he wasn't excited for the RR lynch.  After rereading him, he really wasn't that excited for it.
  says gkrieg is town because he would need to be in a conspiracy theory with WW to be scum
  his conf!town list is WW, myself and Awaclus
  says he won't claim anything no matter what
  votes WW then goes back to IG
  unvotes IG when he is at L-1 and says that we have new claims so we don't want to rush into a lynch today
  says we are likely to find scum in pps/chairs/IG
  compiles all of the claims
  talks about PPS's claim
  says that he thinks scum will have fairly strong powers that make it difficult to trust PR results
  votes IG again
  votes for WW over PPS
  then votes chairs
  says he would rather go IG or chairs than PPS
  keeps pushing chairs
  votes pps because "we need a lynch"
 
  So I think the main points of this day are that he hammers right at the deadline again, which isn't that indicative of alignment.  He also unvotes IG when he is at L-1, which ultimately dismantles the wagon on IG. 

D4:
  votes IG
  claims to be a cop and unvotes because LYLO
  still thinks IG is scum
  talks about his cop claim being valid even with one other claimed cop and having the same role
  votes IG
 
  Overall a pretty good day for e.  I think it was clear that IG was going down D4 anyway, so I'm not sure I give the vote too much town cred

D5:
  votes IG

Conclusion:
  He tries to deflect from the limetime lynch D2, unvotes IG D3 when he is at L-1, claims cop when we already had two claimed cops and a tracker claimed.  I'm pretty sure I know where I want to vote, but want to see what you two have to say before I cast my vote.
 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1321 on: April 11, 2016, 10:03:50 pm »

I'm going to need some time.  I'll try to get some reading in tomorrow.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1322 on: April 12, 2016, 09:18:12 am »

Didn't get my reread done yesterday, will try to get it done today/tomorrow, but we will see
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1323 on: April 12, 2016, 06:08:03 pm »

I'm not going to get to reread today.

I've been considering e as probably town most of this game; if he's scum here he came out on Day 2 with a guilty result on scum!Ichi (he claimed this in the neighobrhood).  That's quite a bit of a move.. mitigated here by the 'questionable sanity' of Cops.  Could be a scum move.. idea would be that there is a reason to stay a little hedged on the result, if lynch goes through it 'verifies' him as sane.  I don't know.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1324 on: April 12, 2016, 06:24:28 pm »

I need to start making myself more killable.  On the other hand, this could be 4/4.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1325 on: April 13, 2016, 11:39:53 am »

Huh, Roadrunner was a Cop, too.

That would make three Cops.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1326 on: April 13, 2016, 11:43:46 am »

Actually that line of thinking probably doesn't go anywhere.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1327 on: April 13, 2016, 01:40:34 pm »

Of note:

The IG / PPS thing is pretty interesting.

I think it is pretty safe to assume that there are other reasons beside the roleblock that can explain the lack of NK.  It is definitely something to keep on the back burner though.

The way PPS seems so sure about it is kinda assertive, so I guess I lean more scum on him.

I'm feeling on the scummier side for Limetime.  I also just learned that he is only 14, but has a very different style than RR.  But I definitely would lynch him today.

vote: Limetime

Proposes lynching Limetime in D2.  Not sure what the votes were at this point... looks like Limetime had two votes on him (Haddock, Chairs), Gkrieg made 3.  Nothing to indicate it couldn't be a bus.  Never moves his vote though:

Thread locked!

Vote Count 2 Final

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime

With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Looks a bit townier in that light. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1328 on: April 13, 2016, 01:47:48 pm »

Gkireg on IG's claim:

Note, if Ichi/chairs are scum then gkrieg was the hesitant town. Gkrieg, what's your analysis on the situation?

I'll look at it again later today ( I'm on mobile right now). From skimming it looks like there are a couple of reasons for the lack of N1 NK. Does it mean we have to either say the team is chairs/IG or that it is PPs/?  Does scum who missed on the NK try to claim something to target someone else and get them lynched?  I think that is the real question we have to answer about PPS. The other thing I can think of that I find strange here is that limetime flipped as mafia-aligned. Where the town people have flipped with their role included. I'm still thinking this through.

What i was really asking is why you didn't hammer IG when the wagon progressed and it looked like he was totally caught in a lie. Like, where was your head at then, not where do we go from here.

Claiming voyeur and not getting the correct result last night with only a few people claiming their night actions seems more townie/fishy than scummy. Especially in RMM games there always seems to be another explanation. Also just the way his wagon formed seemed scummy instead of townie to me. So weird claim + wagon formation I guess.

ends up going against PPS for the IG/PPS inconsistency:

After thinking more about it.  vote: pps

Here's my reasoning:

The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target.  Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.

The other scenario is that IG and chairs are lying together with a much more ridiculous string of fakeclaims.  It would require that chairs is going all-in with IG so that we don't lynch IG.  I don't think that makes much sense when we aren't (probably) at MYLO.  IG would also have to claim no result on someone, which seems silly to do that with Awaclus, who is IC at this point.

The simplest explanations are almost always the correct ones.

PPS was not on the scum lynch, which I think further implicates him vs chairs/IG

Stays pretty consistent:

I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully

Care to elaborate on my scummy behavior or are you just saying while scum hunting is a good idea in theory but we should mislynch today on principle?

I'll put together a case later today.  some of it does lean on the fact that out of you/IG, I lean more town on IG, and you guys have conflicting claims.

If Gkrieg is scum, he's not thinking of bussing:

e, ww, and PPS are my top lynch choices because of wagon position.

Of those, e and PPS seem more likely. 

I'm putting off my reread of this game until tomorrow.

Gkrieg is pretty hard against PPS all day on Day 3.  Witholding judgement for now.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1329 on: April 13, 2016, 01:49:54 pm »

Ha, fun fact, scum was bussing Day 4:

Vote Count 4 Final

Ichimaru Gin (3): gkrieg13, e, Hydrad

Not Voting (3): Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, chairs

With 6 alive, it would have taken 4 to lynch.

Not sure which position is more likely.  Have not done e's reread yet.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1330 on: April 13, 2016, 02:26:39 pm »

Starting e reread.

Of note, he tunnels me hard throughout Day 1, even when he's voting elsewhere. 

Has a PoE list, where both scum are listed the same:

There is some PoE to it....

Awaclus - who doesn't enjoy lynching Awaclus?
gkrieg13 - people seem to be voting for him for some reason.  Oh yeah, thats right.  Because he did something townie.  Like defend someone from getting unjustly lynched.
Hydrad - always an option
Roadrunner7671 - meh.  Not getting a vibe here.  Could be scum, but with RR the vibes will come.  Or we can just lynch him.
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Ichimaru Gin - Not lynching today
chairs - I never know what to do with chairs.
Haddock - After the wagon and everything....yeah.  I do think he was townie here.  Although a wagon not pushing through could be scum not wanting to hammer a partner D1.  But anyway, I am good saving Haddock for later.
Limetime - Not lynching today
Axxle - hmmmm.....Axxle....

He ends up getting off me, with a kind of 'I was fishing' reasoning.  I think I recall thinking he was more town for this at the time, though I don't remember exactly.  At least, I ended up inviting him into a neighborhood that night, with Haddock.  Hey hey I can say stuff about that.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1331 on: April 13, 2016, 02:35:59 pm »

Neighborhood opens, both e and Haddock post, I admit that I created it.  Haddock quickly claims role and actions (he targeted me).  After a bit of posting, e decides to claim too.  He claims to be a persistent cop of questionable sanity, and that he got guilty from Ichi.

He tells Haddock that they need to coordinate their persistence when they die.  I actually thought the persistent thing was random.  Says he townreads me and Haddock.

Doesn't seem confident in scum!Ichi but wants to push the lynch.  By this point I think Day has started (neighborhood stays open for the next day, until the end of the next night).  Some comment about in thread stuff.. both e and Haddock vote me for my ability.  Haddock suggests double checking their respective targets (Haddock to Ichi, e to me).  There's some coordination talk.  Haddock ends up deciding to investigate someone else instead of Ichi. I suppose he never gets to. 
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« Reply #1332 on: April 13, 2016, 02:46:46 pm »

Continuing e Day 1, he pushes Haddock hard (including making a detailed case) until Haddock claims, then moves to Gkrieg.  Doesn't want to lynch RR, but is willing to.  Seems pretty ready to believe RR, actually, which is a bit scummy.  (Scum doesn't expect town to lie.)  Prefers Gkrieg or Chairs, ends up hammering  RR to get a lynch. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1333 on: April 13, 2016, 02:52:06 pm »

Opens up Day 2 with:

I am good with a vote: ichi

And yeah, I was informed that awaclus is town.

So at this point, scum!e has decided to go forward with the plan of claiming an incriminating result on his partner Day 2.  As I said before, this isn't as ill-advised as it may be in other games given the sanity/redirection/etc. type that this setup has.  It provides a reason to not really follow through with the lynch, at least in the short term, and for whatever reason that actually does end up happening.

An interaction with Limetime:

I have a wagon. Oh no, I don't know what to do.

You should ridicule them for voting for you for no reason whatsoever.  Then ask them for their reasons.  Hopefully they give you 3 points or something.  Then you take each point and destroy it by irrefutable logic.

Or get lynched because it is actually a decent case.  I don't know.  You do you.  Which, is, what exactly?  We don't know.  You should post more.

This in regards to Limetime voting Haddock:

Except....Haddock is a cop.  Would scum really vote for a cop?  I don't know.

Shortly after Awaclus hammers Limetime.  (Hey, Awaclus did something townie.)
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1334 on: April 13, 2016, 04:44:56 pm »

Haha, funny:

So we have

conf!Town
Gkrieg
Awaclus
WW
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Ok, fine. I shouldn't be on that list. WW shouldn't be either, but I very strongly think he is town
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1335 on: April 13, 2016, 04:46:45 pm »

Wait, what happened with this?

ok chairs targetted haddock last night. so do with that what you will.

Chairs said he doctored Haddock and Haddock died anyway, right?  PPS was only town blocker and I don't think he targeted Chairs.  So.. Strongman, Redirection?  Either way it implies one of e, Gkrieg are actually lying about their role.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1336 on: April 13, 2016, 04:47:08 pm »

I can confirm I targetted Haddock last night. That's why I'm so mad he died.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1337 on: April 13, 2016, 05:01:41 pm »

I'm starting to form an opinion. 

Want to hear more thoughts though.
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« Reply #1338 on: April 13, 2016, 05:03:42 pm »

I'm starting to form an opinion. 

Want to hear more thoughts though.

I was going to wait until you were done with your reread to comment.  Didn't want to break your flow
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1339 on: April 13, 2016, 05:04:32 pm »

I'm basically done.  There is one more thing I want to look into more, but it requires some more digging and comparing things.  It can go on hold.
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« Reply #1340 on: April 13, 2016, 05:04:42 pm »

It was such a nice flow
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« Reply #1341 on: April 13, 2016, 05:06:19 pm »

I am basically convinced that gkrieg is scum based on the reread that you both have done.

I haven't had a chance to get mine done, and you guys will unfortunately have to wait a while longer if you want to see it
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1342 on: April 13, 2016, 05:06:31 pm »

Gkireg on IG's claim:

Note, if Ichi/chairs are scum then gkrieg was the hesitant town. Gkrieg, what's your analysis on the situation?

I'll look at it again later today ( I'm on mobile right now). From skimming it looks like there are a couple of reasons for the lack of N1 NK. Does it mean we have to either say the team is chairs/IG or that it is PPs/?  Does scum who missed on the NK try to claim something to target someone else and get them lynched?  I think that is the real question we have to answer about PPS. The other thing I can think of that I find strange here is that limetime flipped as mafia-aligned. Where the town people have flipped with their role included. I'm still thinking this through.

What i was really asking is why you didn't hammer IG when the wagon progressed and it looked like he was totally caught in a lie. Like, where was your head at then, not where do we go from here.

Claiming voyeur and not getting the correct result last night with only a few people claiming their night actions seems more townie/fishy than scummy. Especially in RMM games there always seems to be another explanation. Also just the way his wagon formed seemed scummy instead of townie to me. So weird claim + wagon formation I guess.

ends up going against PPS for the IG/PPS inconsistency:

After thinking more about it.  vote: pps

Here's my reasoning:

The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target.  Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.

The other scenario is that IG and chairs are lying together with a much more ridiculous string of fakeclaims.  It would require that chairs is going all-in with IG so that we don't lynch IG.  I don't think that makes much sense when we aren't (probably) at MYLO.  IG would also have to claim no result on someone, which seems silly to do that with Awaclus, who is IC at this point.

The simplest explanations are almost always the correct ones.

PPS was not on the scum lynch, which I think further implicates him vs chairs/IG

Stays pretty consistent:

I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully

Care to elaborate on my scummy behavior or are you just saying while scum hunting is a good idea in theory but we should mislynch today on principle?

I'll put together a case later today.  some of it does lean on the fact that out of you/IG, I lean more town on IG, and you guys have conflicting claims.

If Gkrieg is scum, he's not thinking of bussing:

e, ww, and PPS are my top lynch choices because of wagon position.

Of those, e and PPS seem more likely. 

I'm putting off my reread of this game until tomorrow.

Gkrieg is pretty hard against PPS all day on Day 3.  Witholding judgement for now.

Well on this case, I definitely thought PPS was scum here.  His claim, along with the way he claimed it seemed scummier than IG.  Also IG had a claim that was verifiable, where PPS's was hard to verify.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1343 on: April 13, 2016, 05:11:13 pm »

Neighborhood opens, both e and Haddock post, I admit that I created it.  Haddock quickly claims role and actions (he targeted me).  After a bit of posting, e decides to claim too.  He claims to be a persistent cop of questionable sanity, and that he got guilty from Ichi.

He tells Haddock that they need to coordinate their persistence when they die.  I actually thought the persistent thing was random.  Says he townreads me and Haddock.

Doesn't seem confident in scum!Ichi but wants to push the lynch.  By this point I think Day has started (neighborhood stays open for the next day, until the end of the next night).  Some comment about in thread stuff.. both e and Haddock vote me for my ability.  Haddock suggests double checking their respective targets (Haddock to Ichi, e to me).  There's some coordination talk.  Haddock ends up deciding to investigate someone else instead of Ichi. I suppose he never gets to.

e's claim isn't verifiable where mine is.  In this setup, I think it is more likely that scum fakeclaim cop and even claim a guilty result on their partner. 

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1344 on: April 13, 2016, 05:11:50 pm »

I am basically convinced that gkrieg is scum based on the reread that you both have done.

I haven't had a chance to get mine done, and you guys will unfortunately have to wait a while longer if you want to see it

I would love to see your thoughts on the game.
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« Reply #1345 on: April 13, 2016, 05:13:04 pm »

Actually that line of thinking probably doesn't go anywhere.

This right here is what is pushing me over the edge to gkrieg more than WW right now. Not quoting because on phone and it is in the middle of gkrieg's reread, but he brings up me "being the third cop" as a negative and something that sounds scummy because there are so many cops.

Then now again in my PPE he brings up cop as a more plausible scum fakeclaim
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1346 on: April 13, 2016, 05:14:05 pm »

Also important is how e got the result N2, but it took until D5 for us to lynch IG.

PPE:  Well it is a more plausible scum fakeclaim.
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« Reply #1347 on: April 13, 2016, 05:14:29 pm »

Oh, and yeah. Brought this up a while ago. I am almost 100% certain that scum has "town" roles. Like, say, tracker.
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« Reply #1348 on: April 13, 2016, 05:16:04 pm »

Also important is how e got the result N2, but it took until D5 for us to lynch IG.

PPE:  Well it is a more plausible scum fakeclaim.

Got the result N1, actually. Not knowing your sanity is a thing. I want relatively certain about sanity until after N3. Then I claim, game stagnated D4, thus lynch D5. Try another argument. Might work better
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« Reply #1349 on: April 13, 2016, 05:17:27 pm »

Oh, and yeah. Brought this up a while ago. I am almost 100% certain that scum has "town" roles. Like, say, tracker.

Hydrad was town
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1350 on: April 13, 2016, 05:34:43 pm »

Ok. Just reread D3.  And yeah, you are a watcher. And your claims make.....well, I said it D3:
I mean, my case on gkrieg would be crazy conspiracy theory based with him and WW being scum.

But his results are actually too townie for that. I mean, scum!team gkrieg and WW could conceivably come up with his first claim, but then the second where he would have to target his partner....eh

Too much of a conspiracy theory even for me.

Gkrieg is town

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« Reply #1351 on: April 13, 2016, 05:37:04 pm »

And yeah, WW does make sense as scum. His power being enabled by people voting for him.

But my results say WW is town and gkrieg is scum...
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1352 on: April 13, 2016, 05:44:09 pm »

I think D3 is the most critical day. Ichi did not jump on pps because he knew his partner was already on that wagon and didn't want both scum on that mislynch.

I seriously regret lynching pps. Hopefully that mistake does not cost is the game. That day should have been the no lynch. Not D4.

Both WW and gkrieg voted pps. They were 1/2 on that wagon. Everything I read from WW, his claim, his positions....seem more like scum than gkrieg. But results...can't be trusted....

I need some more time to think
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« Reply #1353 on: April 13, 2016, 06:35:21 pm »

And yeah, WW does make sense as scum. His power being enabled by people voting for him.

But my results say WW is town and gkrieg is scum...

This could be caused by a framer or redirection. Or even nexus and such. Or godfather
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« Reply #1354 on: April 13, 2016, 07:17:11 pm »

And yeah, WW does make sense as scum. His power being enabled by people voting for him.

But my results say WW is town and gkrieg is scum...

This could be caused by a framer or redirection. Or even nexus and such. Or godfather

Well, godfather wouldn't cause me to have two false results.

N1- ichi- guilty- confirmed
N2- WW- innocent- ?
N3- chairs- innocent- confirmed
N4- hydrad- innocent- confirmed
N5- gkrieg- guilty- ?
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« Reply #1355 on: April 13, 2016, 07:21:21 pm »

And yeah, WW does make sense as scum. His power being enabled by people voting for him.

But my results say WW is town and gkrieg is scum...

This could be caused by a framer or redirection. Or even nexus and such. Or godfather

Well, godfather wouldn't cause me to have two false results.

N1- ichi- guilty- confirmed
N2- WW- innocent- ?
N3- chairs- innocent- confirmed
N4- hydrad- innocent- confirmed
N5- gkrieg- guilty- ?

framer and godfather could
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« Reply #1356 on: April 13, 2016, 07:28:06 pm »

Another point: if we are accusing WW of having some sort of redirection power, I would assume it is associated with his neighborhood power.

Which might explain my result on him, but my result in you?  Not really
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« Reply #1357 on: April 14, 2016, 04:46:55 pm »

Vote Count 6.1

Not Voting (3): Witherweaver, e, gkrieg13

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. Day 6 ends at Apr 18, 5 AM forum time. That is in 3 days and 12+ hours.

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« Reply #1358 on: April 14, 2016, 04:59:03 pm »

Another point: if we are accusing WW of having some sort of redirection power, I would assume it is associated with his neighborhood power.

Which might explain my result on him, but my result in you?  Not really

I'm not sure how that would work.  Really, I have the most validated role, as investigation results validate my targets, and you yourself were in the neighborhoods.

You could have made up your Cop results, and I believe Gkrieg has only claimed results already known, as he claimed after everyone and then didn't have valid targets.

Do you guys agree with me that scum must have Strongman/Roleblock or Redirect?
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« Reply #1359 on: April 14, 2016, 05:03:11 pm »

Another point: if we are accusing WW of having some sort of redirection power, I would assume it is associated with his neighborhood power.

Which might explain my result on him, but my result in you?  Not really

I'm not sure how that would work.  Really, I have the most validated role, as investigation results validate my targets, and you yourself were in the neighborhoods.

You could have made up your Cop results, and I believe Gkrieg has only claimed results already known, as he claimed after everyone and then didn't have valid targets.

Do you guys agree with me that scum must have Strongman/Roleblock or Redirect?

My D1 results I claimed D2 were not public knowledge. On mobile so can't find the quote but I can when I get home.
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« Reply #1360 on: April 14, 2016, 05:03:47 pm »

Another point: if we are accusing WW of having some sort of redirection power, I would assume it is associated with his neighborhood power.

Which might explain my result on him, but my result in you?  Not really

I'm not sure how that would work.  Really, I have the most validated role, as investigation results validate my targets, and you yourself were in the neighborhoods.

You could have made up your Cop results, and I believe Gkrieg has only claimed results already known, as he claimed after everyone and then didn't have valid targets.

Do you guys agree with me that scum must have Strongman/Roleblock or Redirect?

My D1 results I claimed D2 were not public knowledge. On mobile so can't find the quote but I can when I get home.

Okay, I'll try to find it. 
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« Reply #1361 on: April 14, 2016, 05:04:15 pm »

I said that you targeted e before you claimed it yourself
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« Reply #1362 on: April 14, 2016, 05:04:31 pm »

I said that you targeted e before you claimed it yourself

I think that's what it was
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« Reply #1363 on: April 14, 2016, 05:05:15 pm »

I said that you targeted e before you claimed it yourself

Ah.. okay, cool. 
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« Reply #1364 on: April 14, 2016, 05:18:20 pm »

I said that you targeted e before you claimed it yourself

Ah.. okay, cool.

Which is why I rejected gkrieg as scum in that post you quoted and laughed about earlier:

Haha, funny:

So we have

conf!Town
Gkrieg
Awaclus
WW
e

Ok, fine. I shouldn't be on that list. WW shouldn't be either, but I very strongly think he is town
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« Reply #1365 on: April 14, 2016, 05:19:37 pm »

Why did you think that role meant he was town?
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« Reply #1366 on: April 14, 2016, 05:24:39 pm »

Why did you think that role meant he was town?

It wasn't the role, it was the results claimed and when they were claimed.  Basically, he provided information that would only have been known by an actual watcher.

Also...reason why I think that scum has actual town roles.  Except maybe not.  Ichi's fakeclaim was proven false by PPS and.....then we lynched PPS.  ugh.  We could have done so much better.
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« Reply #1367 on: April 14, 2016, 05:28:06 pm »

Why did you think that role meant he was town?

It wasn't the role, it was the results claimed and when they were claimed.  Basically, he provided information that would only have been known by an actual watcher.

Also...reason why I think that scum has actual town roles.  Except maybe not.  Ichi's fakeclaim was proven false by PPS and.....then we lynched PPS.  ugh.  We could have done so much better.

Right, I mean, he proved he really was a Watcher.  Well okay, I suppose that was before we started thinking scum might have real town roles.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1368 on: April 14, 2016, 05:38:52 pm »

This is where it happened, FYI, on Day 2:

I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1369 on: April 14, 2016, 05:39:44 pm »

This is where it happened, FYI, on Day 2:

I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.

Which awaclus has claimed, but not you
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1370 on: April 14, 2016, 05:41:14 pm »

I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.

Have to admit that seems awfully convenient to claim the one of two things we already know happened last night.

It's a bit of a stretch for him to correctly guess that I targeted e.  There are, however, ways he could know this and still be lying.

I'm pretty sure what I was thinking of here is if e or Haddock were scum with Gkrieg, which we now know can't happen.

However, town!e could not have known at that time that Gkrieg and I could not have both been scum. 
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« Reply #1371 on: April 14, 2016, 05:44:50 pm »

This was Gkrieg's reason for choosing e:

Yeah, I have to say I would've pegged Haddock as the likely NK target myself.

I actually just think that we will have a lot of cops in this setup, so I guess he didn't seem super likely as a NK.

Well, we've seen (at this point) RR flip cop and Haddock claim cop.  Though I think he said the same thing on D1 before RR even flipped.  A bit scummy, as this is the kind of thing scum would talk about in their QT.  Especially if their roles are investigative themselves.

I want to collect Ichi's claims.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1372 on: April 14, 2016, 05:59:07 pm »

This was Gkrieg's reason for choosing e:

Yeah, I have to say I would've pegged Haddock as the likely NK target myself.

I actually just think that we will have a lot of cops in this setup, so I guess he didn't seem super likely as a NK.

Well, we've seen (at this point) RR flip cop and Haddock claim cop.  Though I think he said the same thing on D1 before RR even flipped.  A bit scummy, as this is the kind of thing scum would talk about in their QT.  Especially if their roles are investigative themselves.

I want to collect Ichi's claims.

I also found Haddock pretty scummy after the first day anyway, I think.  I don't really remember that day very well, and I didn't say anything in my QT before I chose a target, so I don't remember my thinking.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1373 on: April 14, 2016, 05:59:30 pm »

Horrific vote history and vote-context.
I feel bad. He's fourteen and he's new. But his yesterday looks awful.

The context might be bad, but I didn't think his voting history is that bad.  He votes for 4 different people.  Haddock, RR, e, and Hydrad.  He switches between them and ultimately is not on a mislynch.  He has a few sheepy votes, which isn't horrible for a newbie.

So I guess I want an explanation for why you think his vote history and context were that bad.

This is on the townier side of treatment for scum.  It's difficult to hard-defend your partner and make it look like an actual judgement. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1374 on: April 14, 2016, 09:15:56 pm »

And yeah, WW does make sense as scum. His power being enabled by people voting for him.

But my results say WW is town and gkrieg is scum...

what do you mean by enabled by people voting for him?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1375 on: April 14, 2016, 09:17:33 pm »

Another point: if we are accusing WW of having some sort of redirection power, I would assume it is associated with his neighborhood power.

Which might explain my result on him, but my result in you?  Not really

I'm not sure how that would work.  Really, I have the most validated role, as investigation results validate my targets, and you yourself were in the neighborhoods.

You could have made up your Cop results, and I believe Gkrieg has only claimed results already known, as he claimed after everyone and then didn't have valid targets.

Do you guys agree with me that scum must have Strongman/Roleblock or Redirect?

Well Haddock died when he was doctored by chairs, so I think those are the only options.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1376 on: April 14, 2016, 09:19:51 pm »

Why did you think that role meant he was town?

It wasn't the role, it was the results claimed and when they were claimed.  Basically, he provided information that would only have been known by an actual watcher.

Also...reason why I think that scum has actual town roles.  Except maybe not.  Ichi's fakeclaim was proven false by PPS and.....then we lynched PPS.  ugh.  We could have done so much better.

scum could have actual town roles, but so far we have seen one person with RB/strongman, redirect (maybe), and not really a third thing. 

Also why was Awaclus a friendly neighbor and you were just a regular neighbor?

Or maybe I don't understand your role completely.  You make a neighborhood with more than 2 people in it?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1377 on: April 14, 2016, 09:22:16 pm »

This was Gkrieg's reason for choosing e:

Yeah, I have to say I would've pegged Haddock as the likely NK target myself.

I actually just think that we will have a lot of cops in this setup, so I guess he didn't seem super likely as a NK.

well when the setup says that cops will have questioned sanity, it does make you think there will be lots of cops

Well, we've seen (at this point) RR flip cop and Haddock claim cop.  Though I think he said the same thing on D1 before RR even flipped.  A bit scummy, as this is the kind of thing scum would talk about in their QT.  Especially if their roles are investigative themselves.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1378 on: April 14, 2016, 09:22:42 pm »

This was Gkrieg's reason for choosing e:

Yeah, I have to say I would've pegged Haddock as the likely NK target myself.

I actually just think that we will have a lot of cops in this setup, so I guess he didn't seem super likely as a NK.


Well, we've seen (at this point) RR flip cop and Haddock claim cop.  Though I think he said the same thing on D1 before RR even flipped.  A bit scummy, as this is the kind of thing scum would talk about in their QT.  Especially if their roles are investigative themselves.

I want to collect Ichi's claims.

well when the setup says that cops will have questioned sanity, it does make you think there will be lots of cops

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1379 on: April 14, 2016, 09:24:31 pm »

So right now it looks like scum not having townie looking roles means e is lying and must be scum, or scum having townie looking roles means that WW is scum.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1380 on: April 15, 2016, 09:47:37 am »

And yeah, WW does make sense as scum. His power being enabled by people voting for him.

But my results say WW is town and gkrieg is scum...

what do you mean by enabled by people voting for him?

I get a number of invites equal to the number of times someone changed their vote to me that day.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1381 on: April 15, 2016, 05:34:27 pm »

Vote Count 6.2

Not Voting (3): Witherweaver, e, gkrieg13

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1382 on: April 15, 2016, 07:57:14 pm »

Reread tomorrow. Not going to Clue Mafia this game
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1383 on: April 16, 2016, 02:39:15 pm »

I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.

So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1384 on: April 16, 2016, 02:47:29 pm »

After thinking more about it.  vote: pps

Here's my reasoning:

The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target.  Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.

The other scenario is that IG and chairs are lying together with a much more ridiculous string of fakeclaims.  It would require that chairs is going all-in with IG so that we don't lynch IG.  I don't think that makes much sense when we aren't (probably) at MYLO.  IG would also have to claim no result on someone, which seems silly to do that with Awaclus, who is IC at this point.

The simplest explanations are almost always the correct ones.

PPS was not on the scum lynch, which I think further implicates him vs chairs/IG

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1385 on: April 16, 2016, 03:21:02 pm »

e who is claiming an identical role as Haddock?

I can only conclude that e is insane, or I was framed or something. Maybe that sounds weak, but these are purely PR stuff.
From my perspective, I am certain of my townhood and thus there must be an explanation for why e's result on me is wrong.

Fat chance that scum is going to come forward with that info though.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1386 on: April 16, 2016, 03:28:01 pm »

Reading Ichi gkrieg seems much more likely to be scum than WW. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1387 on: April 16, 2016, 04:06:39 pm »

PPS and Limetime, it would be nice if you put your votes somewhere.
*votes gkreig*

PPS and Limetime, it would be nice if you put your votes somewhere.
*votes gkreig*

I know I've been scummier than Not Voting this game, so it would be warranted

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1388 on: April 16, 2016, 04:09:24 pm »

If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus.  Or Ichi, for funsies.

I'm not feeling Ichi, but would be fine with Awa or RR.
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« Reply #1389 on: April 16, 2016, 04:57:19 pm »

I am leaning gkrieg right now.  Have to reread WW though
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1390 on: April 16, 2016, 05:14:40 pm »

He had two unvotes sprinkled in, but this is Limetime's voting history:

vote:hydrad
Oops forgot to bold
Vote:hydrad
Sry guys
Vote: hydrad
E keeps on changing his votes
Vote: E
I guess I'll fall into this bandwagon.
vote: haddock
Lets get some action going.
vote: hydrad
Enough with this
vote: rr
vote: haddock
I will be vla over this weekend.
vote haddock
He gave very little evidence to why I should be lynched.

He was fairly scummy day 1. For reasons posted by E? Right before his almost lynch.

He isn't helping town.

Then we have this:

PPS and Limetime, it would be nice if you put your votes somewhere.
*votes gkreig*

Like.  He is not hesitant at all to vote for town.  But his partner?  Doesn't want to vote for him.  This feels SO MUCH like newbie scum just not wanting to vote his partner. 
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1391 on: April 16, 2016, 05:15:44 pm »

Let's do this.  Have to win or lose at some point

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« Reply #1392 on: April 16, 2016, 05:19:57 pm »

ok guys.  time to show up and vote.
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« Reply #1393 on: April 16, 2016, 05:20:16 pm »

I am impatient now that I have finally made my decision
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« Reply #1394 on: April 16, 2016, 05:51:33 pm »

Confirming town.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1395 on: April 16, 2016, 05:52:37 pm »

It doesn't really seem like you reread WW... 

I don't have time today to defend myself

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« Reply #1396 on: April 16, 2016, 05:53:10 pm »

I didn't get a PPE. But I was leaning toward e being scum anyways
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« Reply #1397 on: April 16, 2016, 06:04:23 pm »

good to know I was right
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« Reply #1398 on: April 16, 2016, 06:05:08 pm »

It doesn't really seem like you reread WW... 

I don't have time today to defend myself

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I did.  Nothing scummy to report
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1399 on: April 16, 2016, 06:07:18 pm »

Vote Count 6.3

e (1): gkrieg13 {L-1}
gkrieg13 (1): e {L-1}

Not Voting (1): Witherweaver

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1400 on: April 16, 2016, 06:09:38 pm »

Alright, there are more things I need to check.  I didn't reread Ichi or Limetime 100%, so I'll go back and do that.  Will make a decision by tomorrow night.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1401 on: April 16, 2016, 07:49:07 pm »

Obviously, any questions for me and I will answer. 

I think the Limetime "vote" on gkrieg is very telling.  As well as his stance on PPS.  Those two things, plus my results (which are now all confirmed to me at least) I think combine to make a very compelling case against gkrieg.
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« Reply #1402 on: April 17, 2016, 12:51:50 pm »

Deadline in 15 hours or so.  Cannot let this game end with a no lynch
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1403 on: April 17, 2016, 02:41:58 pm »

e's wagon positions and his defense of limetime are the biggest case on him. 
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« Reply #1404 on: April 17, 2016, 02:44:30 pm »

I already did my big reread from him, but can make a more concise case if you want WW.

I'm really not scum here.  I don't think that a "vote" as a joke is very telling at all.  Reacting to a joke isn't telling at all.

My stance on PPS was wrong, I will admit, but his claim was pretty weird, and the way he was presenting things was very scummy.
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« Reply #1405 on: April 17, 2016, 02:45:42 pm »

And I think the fact that e decided to bus his partner early with the fake result on him, but it took forever for IG to actually get lynched, is also very telling.
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« Reply #1406 on: April 17, 2016, 04:56:23 pm »

Vote Count 6.4

e (1): gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): e

Not Voting (1): Witherweaver

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« Reply #1407 on: April 17, 2016, 05:03:24 pm »

And I think the fact that e decided to bus his partner early with the fake result on him, but it took forever for IG to actually get lynched, is also very telling.

1) it wasn't a fake result
2) he should have been lynched D3
3) not lynching him D4 was just town being lazy
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« Reply #1408 on: April 17, 2016, 05:05:02 pm »

My stance on PPS was wrong, I will admit, but his claim was pretty weird, and the way he was presenting things was very scummy.

PPS played a better game than any of us. MVP type of play. We were just stupid town and lynched him.
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« Reply #1409 on: April 17, 2016, 05:06:47 pm »

Yeah, PPS has a more interesting style of play than some others of us. But he was clearly town, as I acknowledged very early. Some people find that scummy, and that was the entire reason he got lynched. That and you didn't want to lynch your partner.
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« Reply #1410 on: April 17, 2016, 05:08:20 pm »

e's wagon positions and his defense of limetime are the biggest case on him.

Let me count the innumerable times I have defended scum as town. It's a countable infinity, yes. But still, an infinite number of times
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« Reply #1411 on: April 17, 2016, 05:21:59 pm »

Gkrieg, why did you Watch me Night 2?
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« Reply #1412 on: April 17, 2016, 05:55:37 pm »

Gkrieg, why did you Watch me Night 2?

I don't completely remember.  I had to target someone that wasn't on the lynch, because it was a scum lynch.  So it was between you, e, and PPS, and you were the towniest of those three.
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« Reply #1413 on: April 17, 2016, 05:56:08 pm »

Why was I townier than e?  I thought you had a strong townread on e.
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« Reply #1414 on: April 17, 2016, 05:57:32 pm »

My stance on PPS was wrong, I will admit, but his claim was pretty weird, and the way he was presenting things was very scummy.

PPS played a better game than any of us. MVP type of play. We were just stupid town and lynched him.

How is it MVP type of play?  He got lynched with the first four people on his wagon being town?
Yeah, PPS has a more interesting style of play than some others of us. But he was clearly town, as I acknowledged very early. Some people find that scummy, and that was the entire reason he got lynched. That and you didn't want to lynch your partner.

You acknowledged that he was clearly town, but then still lynched him
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1415 on: April 17, 2016, 05:58:18 pm »

Why was I townier than e?  I thought you had a strong townread on e.

I think part of it was that I had already watched e. 
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« Reply #1416 on: April 17, 2016, 05:59:22 pm »

Why was I townier than e?  I thought you had a strong townread on e.

I think part of it was that I had already watched e.

plus he had defended limetime pretty heavily D2, and you hadn't
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« Reply #1417 on: April 17, 2016, 05:59:56 pm »

Yeah, PPS has a more interesting style of play than some others of us. But he was clearly town, as I acknowledged very early. Some people find that scummy, and that was the entire reason he got lynched. That and you didn't want to lynch your partner.

You also clearly didn't want to lynch your partner D2
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1418 on: April 17, 2016, 06:02:34 pm »

e's wagon positions and his defense of limetime are the biggest case on him.

Let me count the innumerable times I have defended scum as town. It's a countable infinity, yes. But still, an infinite number of times

This is true, but for me it was the way that you defended him.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1419 on: April 17, 2016, 06:03:24 pm »

e, why did you investigate Ichi Night 1?
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« Reply #1420 on: April 17, 2016, 06:03:50 pm »

Did you link e's Limtetime defending?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1421 on: April 17, 2016, 06:10:16 pm »

Well these are the three things that I could find.  D2 was pretty short.

I have a wagon. Oh no, I don't know what to do.

You should ridicule them for voting for you for no reason whatsoever.  Then ask them for their reasons.  Hopefully they give you 3 points or something.  Then you take each point and destroy it by irrefutable logic.

Or get lynched because it is actually a decent case.  I don't know.  You do you.  Which, is, what exactly?  We don't know.  You should post more.

but no....iwont lynh right now.  probably just do wrong snytaz anwyaay

Except....Haddock is a cop.  Would scum really vote for a cop?  I don't know.

Here are some D1 quotes:
 
There is some PoE to it....

Awaclus - who doesn't enjoy lynching Awaclus?
gkrieg13 - people seem to be voting for him for some reason.  Oh yeah, thats right.  Because he did something townie.  Like defend someone from getting unjustly lynched.
Hydrad - always an option
Roadrunner7671 - meh.  Not getting a vibe here.  Could be scum, but with RR the vibes will come.  Or we can just lynch him.
pingpongsam - Town.  'nuff said
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Witherweaver - totes scum
Ichimaru Gin - Not lynching today
chairs - I never know what to do with chairs.
Haddock - After the wagon and everything....yeah.  I do think he was townie here.  Although a wagon not pushing through could be scum not wanting to hammer a partner D1.  But anyway, I am good saving Haddock for later.
Limetime - Not lynching today
Axxle - hmmmm.....Axxle....

Limetime:  You voted Hydrad.  Because you thought he was scum or because lynching people is fun and you have never done that before?
Well every one else was doing it so there most be a reason why. More importantly I want to move on with the game and not get into a stalemate.

Perfect.  Keeping the game moving is a townie thing to do.  Doing what everyone else is doing is a form of hiding your true thoughts, and therefore can be conjured up as being scummy. 

balance those out, and I think the moving the game forward is townie wins out.

Awaclus
gkrieg13
Hydrad
Roadrunner7671 - I want him to be useful for a night before we lynch him
pingpongsam - town read. 
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Witherweaver
Ichimaru Gin - Not today
chairs
Haddock - not lynching a claimed cop here D1.  That persistent thing is also interesting and could explain why cops may or may not be sane. 
Limetime - This is just a bad lynch.  You guys voting for him should feel bad.
Axxle

So of WW, Awaclus, gkrieg, chairs, and Axxle I like gkrieg.

WW there is no reason to lynch, but also no reason not to lynch.  Awaclus is the same.  chairs feels sporadic, and I am very tempted to vote here, but this feels like town!sheep!chairs voting for lynches.  Could be scum!sheep!chairs though.  Axxle....meh.  Just don't really feel like lynching but no reason to cross him off the list.

gkrieg > chairs > WW = Awaclus > Axxle
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1422 on: April 17, 2016, 06:11:36 pm »

e, why did you investigate Ichi Night 1?

I had originally thought about targeting Awaclus.  I switched to Ichi for a couple reasons. 

1) I had basically given him a welcome back pass for D1 (you will see my reads lists all say "not lynching today" for Ichi) and I figured the best way to get a read on him was to investigate
2) I have traditionally read Ichi as scummy.  Wanted to temper that
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« Reply #1423 on: April 17, 2016, 06:12:47 pm »

And there you go.  gkrieg posted my reads there for you that I was referencing for Ichi
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« Reply #1424 on: April 17, 2016, 06:20:38 pm »

Thread locked!

Vote Count 2 Final

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime

With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

At least I didn't abandon my partner (the liability who refuses to bus at all even when there is no danger) like you and Ichi did.
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« Reply #1425 on: April 17, 2016, 06:23:23 pm »

I mean, like for real.  We could have had like an Ichi lynch or something that day instead of Limetime.

Basically, someone like Limetime, I am all about giving them rope to hang on.  Limetime would (most likely) been pretty obviously scum by, say, this time in the game.  For sure.  But Ichi and gkrieg?  Not so much.  It is better to get some town cred lynching the weakest link in the scum team when he is 1) lurking and 2) not providing good content.  Which I guess those two things are basically the same.
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« Reply #1426 on: April 17, 2016, 06:25:03 pm »

e, why did you investigate Ichi Night 1?

I had originally thought about targeting Awaclus.  I switched to Ichi for a couple reasons. 

1) I had basically given him a welcome back pass for D1 (you will see my reads lists all say "not lynching today" for Ichi) and I figured the best way to get a read on him was to investigate
2) I have traditionally read Ichi as scummy.  Wanted to temper that

So why didn't you consider Ichi D1?
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« Reply #1427 on: April 17, 2016, 06:26:10 pm »

read #1.  I was giving him a D1 pass.
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« Reply #1428 on: April 17, 2016, 06:26:32 pm »

read #1.  I was giving him a D1 pass.

Right, but why?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1429 on: April 17, 2016, 06:33:15 pm »

Because Ichi is fun to play with and I knew I didn't want to lynch him D1.  I mean, an arbitrary narrowing of the lynch pool is sometimes necessary D1
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« Reply #1430 on: April 17, 2016, 06:35:20 pm »

A good old-fashioned Voltaire-style crossing people off the D1 lynch pool.  I can't really explain it more than that.
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« Reply #1431 on: April 17, 2016, 06:36:53 pm »

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« Reply #1432 on: April 17, 2016, 06:37:43 pm »

Well, I feel pretty bad about either choice here.  There isn't really much to heavily implicate either.  I don't really have time to think/read more, and I'm not sure what else I can read except maybe Gkrieg's scum games. 

At any rate.. my feeling is e.  Overall, his posts feel artificial to me.  Though I tend to get this impression from town!e as well.  The other thing is that his townread on me doesn't quite feel legitimate.  Neighborizer tends to be a townier role, but we've certain had scum versions before, and I would actually be pretty suspicious of results if I was a cop given this setup. 

Well, anyway, this is the most 'tossup' LyLo for me so far, but I don't really have more time.

Vote: e

Sorry if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #1433 on: April 17, 2016, 06:38:36 pm »

yep. you are wrong.

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« Reply #1434 on: April 17, 2016, 06:39:02 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1435 on: April 17, 2016, 06:39:56 pm »

My results though.  You didn't trust the result I had on you?  I mean, cop results are a thing.
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« Reply #1436 on: April 17, 2016, 06:40:56 pm »

*sigh*

We lost the game lynching PPS D3.
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« Reply #1437 on: April 17, 2016, 06:42:15 pm »

Oh man. I really thought I had lost this one
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« Reply #1438 on: April 17, 2016, 06:42:31 pm »

I do want to know how gkrieg got his results.  town-role as scum?  Was I right about that?
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« Reply #1439 on: April 17, 2016, 06:44:11 pm »

Whatever it was....great game design by silverspawn.  This one is getting nominated for an award at the end of the year
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« Reply #1440 on: April 17, 2016, 06:44:39 pm »

My results though.  You didn't trust the result I had on you?  I mean, cop results are a thing.

Not really.  Also, Awaclus was already confirmed to you, right?  So wasn't it better to check him to confirm sanity?
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« Reply #1441 on: April 17, 2016, 06:44:55 pm »

I'm annoyed I broke my perfect LyLo record :(
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« Reply #1442 on: April 17, 2016, 06:46:01 pm »

My results though.  You didn't trust the result I had on you?  I mean, cop results are a thing.

Not really.  Also, Awaclus was already confirmed to you, right?  So wasn't it better to check him to confirm sanity?

No, I received the targeting at the end of N1/start D2.  His night action gets resolved in the same order as everyone else so my investigation N1 had no knowledge that I was targeted by Awaclus.
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« Reply #1443 on: April 17, 2016, 06:47:09 pm »

I do want to know how gkrieg got his results.  town-role as scum?  Was I right about that?

Well you'll see, but we actually shared all the roles in a sort of complicated way and one of those was watcher
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« Reply #1444 on: April 17, 2016, 06:49:44 pm »

I'm annoyed I broke my perfect LyLo record :(

I broke that my first lylo.  I think this is the first lylo that I was actually right.
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« Reply #1445 on: April 17, 2016, 06:50:25 pm »

I'm annoyed I broke my perfect LyLo record :(

I broke that my first lylo.  I think this is the first lylo that I was actually right.

I'm pretty sure that was my first LyLo ever
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« Reply #1446 on: April 17, 2016, 06:54:20 pm »

My results though.  You didn't trust the result I had on you?  I mean, cop results are a thing.

Not really.  Also, Awaclus was already confirmed to you, right?  So wasn't it better to check him to confirm sanity?

No, I received the targeting at the end of N1/start D2.  His night action gets resolved in the same order as everyone else so my investigation N1 had no knowledge that I was targeted by Awaclus.

No I mean Night 2.  Instead of investigating me.
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« Reply #1447 on: April 17, 2016, 06:56:49 pm »

My results though.  You didn't trust the result I had on you?  I mean, cop results are a thing.

Not really.  Also, Awaclus was already confirmed to you, right?  So wasn't it better to check him to confirm sanity?

No, I received the targeting at the end of N1/start D2.  His night action gets resolved in the same order as everyone else so my investigation N1 had no knowledge that I was targeted by Awaclus.

No I mean Night 2.  Instead of investigating me.

Oh, that was primarily because Haddock investigated you.  I mean, that probably wasn't the best decision I could have made.  But then, guess what a great investigative target for me to do as scum?  Awaclus.  I wouldn't want to make more ICs.  I would want to make fewer
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« Reply #1448 on: April 17, 2016, 06:57:48 pm »

My results though.  You didn't trust the result I had on you?  I mean, cop results are a thing.

Not really.  Also, Awaclus was already confirmed to you, right?  So wasn't it better to check him to confirm sanity?

No, I received the targeting at the end of N1/start D2.  His night action gets resolved in the same order as everyone else so my investigation N1 had no knowledge that I was targeted by Awaclus.

No I mean Night 2.  Instead of investigating me.

Oh, that was primarily because Haddock investigated you.  I mean, that probably wasn't the best decision I could have made.  But then, guess what a great investigative target for me to do as scum?  Awaclus.  I wouldn't want to make more ICs.  I would want to make fewer

Yeah.. I was kind of thinking you were using the neighborhood to get me to townread you, so I thought maybe you chose me towards that end. 
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« Reply #1449 on: April 17, 2016, 06:57:58 pm »

Vote Count 6 Final

e (2): gkrieg13, Witherweaver
gkrieg13 (1): e

With 3 alive, it tookk 2 to lynch.

e has been lynched. He was a Town-Aligned Cop.

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« Reply #1450 on: April 17, 2016, 06:58:08 pm »

The game is over! The mafia team of Ichimaru Gin, gkrieg13, and Limetime wins!

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« Reply #1451 on: April 17, 2016, 06:58:39 pm »

I guess I could have made other points that might have helped.  Look at my stance on chairs from D3 to D4.  Total reversal.  Because I investigated him and got town.  I had been throwing him out as a lynch candidate D3.  Does scum do that?  Create more ICs?  Not really.
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« Reply #1452 on: April 17, 2016, 06:59:21 pm »

But getting town on Awaclus tells you that you can be certain of Ichi. 

I actually should have brought that up in the neighborhood on D2.  I wasn't paying enough attention early this game.
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« Reply #1453 on: April 17, 2016, 06:59:43 pm »

I guess I could have made other points that might have helped.  Look at my stance on chairs from D3 to D4.  Total reversal.  Because I investigated him and got town.  I had been throwing him out as a lynch candidate D3.  Does scum do that?  Create more ICs?  Not really.

Well, yeah, but if you're fakeclaiming Cop you kind of have to do that.
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« Reply #1454 on: April 17, 2016, 07:01:38 pm »

I wasn't paying enough attention early this game.

yeah, that was one reason why I ultimately picked gkrieg over you.  You brought up a point in your post where you voted that if you were a cop you wouldn't really trust your results that much.  But like....my entire game I totally did not trust my results at all until, like, today.  And even then not until I knew I was right in lylo. 
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« Reply #1455 on: April 17, 2016, 07:04:28 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1456 on: April 17, 2016, 07:05:15 pm »

QTs:
Speccy
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Mod
Neighborhood 1
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Personal QTs may be shared by their owners.

Setup:
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(Hidden Naive) Cop
Cop
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Doctor
Lover, Gambler
Neighborizer
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JOAT (Commutor, Vigilante, Weak Visitor, Doctor, Roleblocker, Voyeur)


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« Reply #1457 on: April 17, 2016, 07:05:45 pm »

Awesome setup. I really liked how the role powers could be honest woot revealing alignment. Also, for the next game when I cop somebody for god's sake lynch them. This is two games in a row where I am copping people and announcing the results on D2 and getting lynched for it. To give false results that early in the game is pure suicide and I don't really understand what about it is not believable. I suppose redirection, but look there was none of that, here.

Anyway, congrats to the scum team, especially since they had a noob who got busted up front. It's hard to recover from an early lynch like that.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1458 on: April 17, 2016, 07:06:31 pm »

I wasn't paying enough attention early this game.

yeah, that was one reason why I ultimately picked gkrieg over you.  You brought up a point in your post where you voted that if you were a cop you wouldn't really trust your results that much.  But like....my entire game I totally did not trust my results at all until, like, today.  And even then not until I knew I was right in lylo.

It's actually a little unfortunate that you hit Ichi Night 1.  It made me go too far down the 'conspiracy theory' path :(
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« Reply #1459 on: April 17, 2016, 07:06:44 pm »

Wait, what? Mafia had no role powers?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1460 on: April 17, 2016, 07:09:00 pm »

Awesome setup. I really liked how the role powers could be honest woot revealing alignment. Also, for the next game when I cop somebody for god's sake lynch them. This is two games in a row where I am copping people and announcing the results on D2 and getting lynched for it. To give false results that early in the game is pure suicide and I don't really understand what about it is not believable. I suppose redirection, but look there was none of that, here.

Anyway, congrats to the scum team, especially since they had a noob who got busted up front. It's hard to recover from an early lynch like that.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1461 on: April 17, 2016, 07:09:26 pm »

iguana in the speccy:

"I like e's case, which means that Haddock is probably town I guess. But I'd say he's their best lynch for today."

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1462 on: April 17, 2016, 07:10:15 pm »

Wait, what? Mafia had no role powers?

Go to the first post in the mafia QT to see their powers.
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« Reply #1463 on: April 17, 2016, 07:14:04 pm »

Fun times.  8)

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1464 on: April 17, 2016, 07:16:44 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1465 on: April 17, 2016, 07:17:52 pm »

So this game had luck on both sides.

First scum got lucky with the RR mislynch, hitting the player that caused 2 town deaths.

Then town got really lucky with the cops. Three cops, two naive with negative utility, one sane with really high positive utility, the two naive ones die early, the sane one makes it to LyLo.

I thought about MVPs throughout the game, mostly expecting town to win as the cop results were piling up. My first thought was PPS, he used his power super well. I also thought e, for flying completely under the radar, great as the sane cop. And WW of course, if he had chosen correctly. I was going to make a poll.

With scum winning now, I'm still not completely sure. I'm leaning Ichi; he had two guilty results on him and got the PPS lynch through, which was game-deciding. But gkrieg won LyLo. What do you two think?

Wait, what? Mafia had no role powers?

No, no role powers  :P

Also a pretty amazing comeback; after the Limetime lynch, one scum was dead, one had a guilty result on him, and both were under scrutiny. I was already disappointed that it'd be too one-sided.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1466 on: April 17, 2016, 07:19:18 pm »

I clearly had a MVP worthy performance. :P
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1467 on: April 17, 2016, 07:22:32 pm »

Man, I told you Ichi was scum.
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« Reply #1468 on: April 17, 2016, 07:30:46 pm »

Man, I told you Ichi was scum.

Which is why you died along with everyone else who kept saying that.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1469 on: April 17, 2016, 08:13:03 pm »

Man, I told you Ichi was scum.

Which is why you died along with everyone else who kept saying that.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1470 on: April 17, 2016, 08:55:25 pm »

I clearly had a MVP worthy performance. :P
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1471 on: April 17, 2016, 09:11:29 pm »

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1472 on: April 17, 2016, 09:44:30 pm »

I think gkrieg should get the MVP.  Yes, Ichi had a great game surviving as long as he did, but gkrieg helped play a decent enough part in the PPS lynch that was the critical turning point, plus watch at just the right time and just the right person to get the result that he got, plus survive through the end to get WW to vote for me.  Granted, surviving to the end isn't everything when you have a partner that set you up perfectly, but gkrieg's work throughout the game plus being able to win the lylo tips it to him.  I mean, because really both Ichi and gkrieg survived incriminating results against them.  Ichi had my copping plus PPS, gkrieg had my copping. 

I do think it is close, and both Ichi and gkrieg played great games, but I think gkrieg should get it in the end.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1473 on: April 17, 2016, 11:36:39 pm »

Thanks for the nod e!  Really fun setup!

As you can see in the mafia QT I really didn't think I was going to make it there at the end

To the people in the speccy, I couldn't kill e because his role would be revealed and Hydrad already had an innocent result from him and IG had flipped

I think it's interesting the choices we could make at the beginning of the game and how different it would've been if we hadn't picked voyeur and watcher
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1474 on: April 18, 2016, 12:18:31 am »

I won't say anything about my own play. I actually don't recall a ton of it; school has a way of squeezing out stuff.

gkrieg pretty much single handedly made all the decisions for our night actions and picking powers though, which I feel should count for something. I also think he played really well this game in general.

No matter who gets it, I kinda felt like he was the leader of scum.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1475 on: April 18, 2016, 06:56:42 am »

Here's my QT.

I've vetted it slightly postgame, removing one angry remark which I now regret.

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/dwwiRmtXFAW?m1=-1&mN=-1
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1476 on: April 18, 2016, 06:57:25 am »

Great setup btw SS. Really really interesting. :)
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1477 on: April 18, 2016, 08:04:52 am »

I won't say anything about my own play. I actually don't recall a ton of it; school has a way of squeezing out stuff.

gkrieg pretty much single handedly made all the decisions for our night actions and picking powers though, which I feel should count for something. I also think he played really well this game in general.

True, but the Night Actions were arguably not that effectively used, looking at results. One clear mistake you did was to RB PPS when you thought he was a Roleblocker; blocking a RB does nothing. It was the day play that really made the difference.

But hey I asked because I wanted to let players decide, so

gkrieg13 is the MVP!

Great setup btw SS. Really really interesting. :)

Thanks!

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1478 on: April 18, 2016, 10:13:03 am »

blocking a RB does nothing.

...why is that?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1479 on: April 18, 2016, 10:23:24 am »

Agree with gkrieg being the MVP, he was the only one who I didn't know was scum.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1480 on: April 18, 2016, 10:36:30 am »

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« Reply #1481 on: April 18, 2016, 11:09:42 am »

blocking a RB does nothing.

...why is that?

Because of the way Actions are resolved this game. All of the highest speed happen simultaneously, then all of the second highest speed, etc. Town and Scum RB both have the highest speed, so they go through no matter what. If PPS was a RB, he would be roleblocked, but his own RB would still go through.

It's in the OP!

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« Reply #1482 on: April 18, 2016, 04:25:53 pm »

blocking a RB does nothing.

...why is that?

Because of the way Actions are resolved this game. All of the highest speed happen simultaneously, then all of the second highest speed, etc. Town and Scum RB both have the highest speed, so they go through no matter what. If PPS was a RB, he would be roleblocked, but his own RB would still go through.

It's in the OP!

- The resolution of Night Actions is Blocking -> Commuting -> Copying -> Redirecting -> Protecting -> Other -> Killing -> Investigative. [...] - If several actions of the same category take place in the same night, they will happen simultaneously.

Yeah, I read that, I just... don't think it's clear. You can't derive that roleblockers cannot block each other from this. "Simultaneously" can mean anything here. I mean all night action resolve "simultaneously" - at the end of the night. There is no delay of any kind.

It seems like a strange rule and I don't quite get why you put it in there.
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« Reply #1483 on: April 18, 2016, 04:34:48 pm »

blocking a RB does nothing.

...why is that?

Because of the way Actions are resolved this game. All of the highest speed happen simultaneously, then all of the second highest speed, etc. Town and Scum RB both have the highest speed, so they go through no matter what. If PPS was a RB, he would be roleblocked, but his own RB would still go through.

It's in the OP!

- The resolution of Night Actions is Blocking -> Commuting -> Copying -> Redirecting -> Protecting -> Other -> Killing -> Investigative. [...] - If several actions of the same category take place in the same night, they will happen simultaneously.

Yeah, I read that, I just... don't think it's clear. You can't derive that roleblockers cannot block each other from this. "Simultaneously" can mean anything here. I mean all night action resolve "simultaneously" - at the end of the night. There is no delay of any kind.

It seems like a strange rule and I don't quite get why you put it in there.

It may not be clear from the OP, but the system itself is 100% clear.

You already asked in the speccy and I gave the long answer:

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You start with the quickest category: every action submitted there has full effect. That influences stuff. Then you go to the next, repeat, etc.

Not even that long. To me, simultaneous resolving is pretty clear. It just means they all happen. The alternative would be to define an order; then if a RB blocks another RB and his action is resolved first, the second RB does not get to block anyone.

I also don't really see a reason not do to it like this. Seems much more elegant than trying to do orders.

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« Reply #1484 on: April 18, 2016, 04:47:42 pm »

blocking a RB does nothing.

...why is that?

Because of the way Actions are resolved this game. All of the highest speed happen simultaneously, then all of the second highest speed, etc. Town and Scum RB both have the highest speed, so they go through no matter what. If PPS was a RB, he would be roleblocked, but his own RB would still go through.

It's in the OP!

- The resolution of Night Actions is Blocking -> Commuting -> Copying -> Redirecting -> Protecting -> Other -> Killing -> Investigative. [...] - If several actions of the same category take place in the same night, they will happen simultaneously.

Yeah, I read that, I just... don't think it's clear. You can't derive that roleblockers cannot block each other from this. "Simultaneously" can mean anything here. I mean all night action resolve "simultaneously" - at the end of the night. There is no delay of any kind.

It seems like a strange rule and I don't quite get why you put it in there.

It may not be clear from the OP, but the system itself is 100% clear.

You already asked in the speccy and I gave the long answer:

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You start with the quickest category: every action submitted there has full effect. That influences stuff. Then you go to the next, repeat, etc.

Not even that long. To me, simultaneous resolving is pretty clear. It just means they all happen. The alternative would be to define an order; then if a RB blocks another RB and his action is resolved first, the second RB does not get to block anyone.

I also don't really see a reason not do to it like this. Seems much more elegant than trying to do orders.

I forgot that I asked in the speccy... long time ago I guess. Sorry then.

I mean, the reason the system is bad is it deviates in a major way from standard protocol, and that's going to get people confused. You generally want to minimize rules confusion. That said, rules changes can be fine if they somehow improve the game experience. I just don't see that. First, the outcomes seem counterintuitive:

- Roleblockers don't block all roles, but only most.
- if a Roleblocker targets player A and a Bus Driver targets A and B, then somehow by your system the Roleblocker still blocks A. But if a Watcher also targets A, then he will be redirected to B, and doesn't see the Roleblocker targeting A. Major confusion arises.

This would be somehow justifiable maybe if the system gave a clear resolution to every possible situation. But that is not the case either. For instance, say we have two Bus Drivers. One Bus Drives A and B, one Bus Drives B and C. Someone targets A; now what happens? Even worse if someone targets B.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1485 on: April 18, 2016, 05:11:48 pm »

- Roleblockers don't block all roles, but only most.
They block everything except other RBs. Without simultaneous execution, the case of several RB blocking each other isn't even defined, so this seems better.

- if a Roleblocker targets player A and a Bus Driver targets A and B, then somehow by your system the Roleblocker still blocks A. But if a Watcher also targets A, then he will be redirected to B, and doesn't see the Roleblocker targeting A. Major confusion arises.
I don't think that case has anything to do with simultaneous execution... there are no two roles being executed a the same time; you do have an order. And causing confusion is pretty much what Scum Bus Driver is good at.

This would be somehow justifiable maybe if the system gave a clear resolution to every possible situation. But that is not the case either. For instance, say we have two Bus Drivers. One Bus Drives A and B, one Bus Drives B and C. Someone targets A; now what happens?
That's true, there are cases where it's not clear, also if A hides behind B and B hides behind A. But... it's also not clear without simultaneous resolving, and I'm pretty sure there are fewer cases with it.

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Okay, does it really? I don't see why. It's just one of many ways to do it.

I agree that the upsides aren't big, so if it's confusing, probably not worth it. I just don't think it's confusing.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1486 on: April 18, 2016, 05:45:05 pm »

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Okay, does it really? I don't see why. It's just one of many ways to do it.

I agree that the upsides aren't big, so if it's confusing, probably not worth it. I just don't think it's confusing.

I always viewed this as the "classical" way to resolve night actions. And applying this leads to very different outcomes compared to your approach.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1487 on: April 18, 2016, 06:06:21 pm »

I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?

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« Reply #1488 on: April 18, 2016, 06:10:19 pm »

I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?

How is it more fair if C is blocked, but not B?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1489 on: April 18, 2016, 06:43:14 pm »

I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?

How is it more fair if C is blocked, but not B?

B would be blocked with s.e. He just gets blocked after he does his action...

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1490 on: April 18, 2016, 07:04:15 pm »

I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?

How is it more fair if C is blocked, but not B?

B would be blocked with s.e. He just gets blocked after he does his action...

That makes no sense. I mean I guess you could put it like that, but really it's the same as him not beign blocked, so I don't see how this is any better.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1491 on: April 18, 2016, 07:18:13 pm »

I agree with faust.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1492 on: April 19, 2016, 07:10:22 am »

I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?

How is it more fair if C is blocked, but not B?

B would be blocked with s.e. He just gets blocked after he does his action...

That makes no sense. I mean I guess you could put it like that, but really it's the same as him not beign blocked, so I don't see how this is any better.

Well, because my system favors a RB over an investigative Role. RB is faster. Your ( well, not 'your', but you know) system  favors a RB over a RB. That seems weird.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1493 on: April 19, 2016, 07:23:10 am »

I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?

How is it more fair if C is blocked, but not B?

B would be blocked with s.e. He just gets blocked after he does his action...

That makes no sense. I mean I guess you could put it like that, but really it's the same as him not beign blocked, so I don't see how this is any better.

Well, because my system favors a RB over an investigative Role. RB is faster. Your ( well, not 'your', but you know) system  favors a RB over a RB. That seems weird.

But your system favors a RB over a RB too! Just the other one.
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« Reply #1494 on: April 19, 2016, 08:16:27 am »

I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?

How is it more fair if C is blocked, but not B?

B would be blocked with s.e. He just gets blocked after he does his action...

That makes no sense. I mean I guess you could put it like that, but really it's the same as him not beign blocked, so I don't see how this is any better.

Well, because my system favors a RB over an investigative Role. RB is faster. Your ( well, not 'your', but you know) system  favors a RB over a RB. That seems weird.

But your system favors a RB over a RB too! Just the other one.

Mh. I guess.

It favors the one who tries to block a slower role, though. It just seems more logical to me that you can't block another RB. But I do see the argument. And I guess it is more strategical, since now blocking someone while not being blocked yourself is always doing something.

Okay, I'll probably use that rule in my next game when it matters.

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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1495 on: April 19, 2016, 08:21:30 am »

For me, it's like this:

Assume night actions A through E.  A and B happen first, C and D happen second, E happens third.  A/B and C/D are simultaneous.

Step 1: A and B actions both resolve.  To resolve, there is a check to see if any other actions interact with theirs.  In this case, only each other.
Step 2: C and D actions both resolve.  To resolve, there is a check to see if any other actions interact with theirs.  In this case, A and B, and then each other.
Step 3: E action resolves.  To resolve, it checks to see if any other actions interact with it.  In this case, A and B, then C and D.

A roleblocks E. B roleblocks A.  C doctors D. D investigates E.  E kills B.

Step 1: A roleblocks E and B roleblocks A.  A checks around, see that B has roleblocked him: failure!  B checks around, sees nothing interacts with him: success!
Step 2: C doctors D and D investigates E.  C checks around, sees that nothing interacted with him: success!  D checks around, sees that nothing interacted with him: success!
Step 3: E kills B.  E checks around, see that nothing interacted with him (because A as blocked): success!

You can change letters around for any order you want and it will change outcomes, but the resolution chain is the same.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1496 on: April 19, 2016, 08:23:37 am »

I... think that's identical to what faust is talking about?

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« Reply #1497 on: April 19, 2016, 10:56:06 am »

I... think that's identical to what faust is talking about?

Maybe.  He didn't use the pools of powers format.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1498 on: April 19, 2016, 12:29:43 pm »

For me, it's like this:

Assume night actions A through E.  A and B happen first, C and D happen second, E happens third.  A/B and C/D are simultaneous.

Step 1: A and B actions both resolve.  To resolve, there is a check to see if any other actions interact with theirs.  In this case, only each other.
Step 2: C and D actions both resolve.  To resolve, there is a check to see if any other actions interact with theirs.  In this case, A and B, and then each other.
Step 3: E action resolves.  To resolve, it checks to see if any other actions interact with it.  In this case, A and B, then C and D.

A roleblocks E. B roleblocks A.  C doctors D. D investigates E.  E kills B.

Step 1: A roleblocks E and B roleblocks A.  A checks around, see that B has roleblocked him: failure!  B checks around, sees nothing interacts with him: success!
Step 2: C doctors D and D investigates E.  C checks around, sees that nothing interacted with him: success!  D checks around, sees that nothing interacted with him: success!
Step 3: E kills B.  E checks around, see that nothing interacted with him (because A as blocked): success!

You can change letters around for any order you want and it will change outcomes, but the resolution chain is the same.

The question here is which powers are "simultaneous". If there's a Bus Driver and a Roleblocker, and the Bus Driver bus drives A and B, while the Roleblocker blocks B, which one of A and B ends up blocked?
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over)
« Reply #1499 on: April 19, 2016, 01:12:29 pm »

For me, it's like this:

Assume night actions A through E.  A and B happen first, C and D happen second, E happens third.  A/B and C/D are simultaneous.

Step 1: A and B actions both resolve.  To resolve, there is a check to see if any other actions interact with theirs.  In this case, only each other.
Step 2: C and D actions both resolve.  To resolve, there is a check to see if any other actions interact with theirs.  In this case, A and B, and then each other.
Step 3: E action resolves.  To resolve, it checks to see if any other actions interact with it.  In this case, A and B, then C and D.

A roleblocks E. B roleblocks A.  C doctors D. D investigates E.  E kills B.

Step 1: A roleblocks E and B roleblocks A.  A checks around, see that B has roleblocked him: failure!  B checks around, sees nothing interacts with him: success!
Step 2: C doctors D and D investigates E.  C checks around, sees that nothing interacted with him: success!  D checks around, sees that nothing interacted with him: success!
Step 3: E kills B.  E checks around, see that nothing interacted with him (because A as blocked): success!

You can change letters around for any order you want and it will change outcomes, but the resolution chain is the same.

The question here is which powers are "simultaneous". If there's a Bus Driver and a Roleblocker, and the Bus Driver bus drives A and B, while the Roleblocker blocks B, which one of A and B ends up blocked?

Bus Driver would be in the first tier and Roleblocker in the second, for me.
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Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Game Over, Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1500 on: April 19, 2016, 03:01:21 pm »

I figured out the problem.  I can only win at LyLo if I'm a VT. 
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