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[Hydrad]

Vote: ichi

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Thus concludes D5

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 5 Final:

Ichimaru Gin (3): Witherweaver, e, Hydrad
Not Voting (2): Ichimaru Gin, gkrieg13

With 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch.

Ichimaru Gin has been lynched. He was Mafia-Aligned.

Night 5 starts now and lasts until April 11, 6 AM Forum Time.

[silverspawn]

Hydrad has died in the Night. He was a Town-Aligned Tracker.

Day 6 start!

Vote Count 6.0:

Not Voting (3): Witherweaver, e, gkrieg13

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. Day 6 ends at April 18, 5 AM Forum Time.

[Witherweaver]

So why isn't claimed cop dead?

[2.71828.....]

That is very interesting.  I was fully expecting not to have to make a decision here.

[2.71828.....]

So....I got a guilty result for gkrieg last night.

Everything points to him being scum (as far as results so)

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I mean, I can only assume that scum was hoping that by keeping me alive they could somehow discredit what I claimed.  In fact, it seems easier to discredit a cop than a tracker in this game since the setup speaks to cops being unreliable, but trackers have no such issue.  So Hydrad coming out with, say, a tracking result that gkrieg targeted me would be more implicating than a the result that I got that gkrieg is scum

[gkrieg13]

Well I wasn't able to watch anyone last night again.

I guess I'll reread both of you

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Well I wasn't able to watch anyone last night again.

I guess I'll reread both of you

but....like....what kind of scum claims non-results like this?  Seriously?

[gkrieg13]

Well I wasn't able to watch anyone last night again.

I guess I'll reread both of you

but....like....what kind of scum claims non-results like this?  Seriously?

I don't get what you mean. I'm only able to watch people who are on mislynches or off scum lynches. The last two days there haven't been any of those that weren't me.

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oh.  yeah.  reading and remembering what people claim.

makes sense.

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Vote Count 1 Final

Haddock (1): Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (7): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle, chairs, Haddock, Witherweaver, e
chairs (2): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch..

Vote Count 2 Final

Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime

With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Vote Count 3 Final

pingpongsam (5): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, Hydrad, chairs, e
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus
chairs (1): Ichimaru Gin

Not Voting (1): pingpongsam

With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 4 Final

Ichimaru Gin (3): gkrieg13, e, Hydrad

Not Voting (3): Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, chairs

With 6 alive, it would have taken 4 to lynch.

Vote Count 5 Final:

Ichimaru Gin (3): Witherweaver, e, Hydrad
Not Voting (2): Ichimaru Gin, gkrieg13

With 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch.

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I have to get ready to go into work, but I don't plan on voting too quickly here.  I have a lot of questions. 

1) Like, would all the scum really have been off wagon D1?  I mean, its possible, but doesn't seem that likely. 

2) Would both scum have bussed their partner on D2? 

3) D3 was the awful mislynch of PPS, I need to go back through that day (and previous days) and see who was really pushing that PPS wagon.  Both WW and gkrieg were on it, but which one is scum in that equation? 

4) Why would WW be so timid and not lynch Ichi D4 but then come out guns blazing to lynch him on D5? 

On the surface level, looking at all of these reads, Witherweaver fits in as scum.  But that is where my results get thrown in.  Except.....there is a caveat there.  The setup was very clear that possibilities exist where scum can mess with results.  And I am very worried about that.  Like, very worried.

1) I investigated WW when he knew I was investigating him.  I investigated him as a double check reference on Haddock's sanity and to get a point to work from.  But he knew there was a good chance that I would be investigating him.  Could he have messed with my result?  Could he be god-father like?  Except that wouldn't explain my guilty result on a town!gkrieg unless he can push his result changing powers onto other people.

Anyway, I plan on doing a full reread.  I assume I will be the one making the ultimate decision, so if you guys want to answer some of the questions I posed that would be great.  I will look for answers myself as well. 

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On the other hand, this is probably me just trying to talk myself out of an obvious lynching of scum.  I was really hoping that I would be dead.  But yeah, it does make more sense that Hydrad died as the tracker (something that scum can't affect - which makes me question my results even more).

[Witherweaver]

4) Why would WW be so timid and not lynch Ichi D4 but then come out guns blazing to lynch him on D5? 

This was just negligence on my part and not realizing the deadline was up. 

I wasn't that sure Ichi was scum, even Day 5, but he should have been lynched the day before (or even earlier), and I was willing to lose if he wasn't.

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But for now....off to work.  Probably won't hear from me for a while.  It is going to be a busy day.  Full of long, horrible meetings that I have to attend because my boss (and his boss - the person who would usually be in those meetings) aren't going to be at work today.  So yay.  Death by PowerPoint here I come

[gkrieg13]

I'll get more into this later today. My availability will be fairly low because it's finals week. But I'm also graduating, so I'll probably study less than I have other semesters

[gkrieg13]

Ok I'm gonna do two rereads tonight.  I'll start with WW

[gkrieg13]

WW D1:
  votes limetime
  votes IG
  votes e
  votes Haddock
  votes gkrieg
  Up until this point, he doesn't really say much other than voting and one-liners that don't really add to the game.
 

I voted Gkrieg because he played some defense for Haddock at a time where scum would feel the need to make a decision abut a town!Haddock.

White knighting, basically.

  He actually gives a reason for voting for me.
  Doesn't like e gunning for him, says his reads list is fishing
  unvotes
  says Haddock is scummy for voting for Awaclus then unvoting after Awa explains himself
  comments on Awaclus's vote for Haddock and my vote for Hydrad
  Talks more with Haddock about his Awaclus vote
  Wants to vote someone on the Hydrad wagon
  doesn't vote for Axxle because of a D1 pass, and he thinks axxle is townie
  Notably, he doesn't hammer Hydrad
  votes for RR, then pushes the wagon on him, saying we shouldn't keep a survivor alive.  I'm still unsure what this means with regards to people's alignment when they push for a D1 survivor lynch.  I just keep remembering Mistborn Mafia, where D1 there was a survivor claim (ironically it was a town misunderstanding) and the people that were pushing it were all scum.  Or at least the last 3 or 4 people on the wagon were scum.  So I think pushing a survivor wagon is slightly scummy to me.
  Talks about the setup, mainly if survivor is possible
  Says we could lynch Awaclus or IG in place of RR, in a lighthearted way
  votes for Awaclus
  votes RR
  votes gkrieg, says he would vote anyone but Haddock to get a lynch through
  says he doesn't really want to go for the limetime wagon
  unvotes
  puts RR at L-1

  So from D1, my conclusion is that he looks a lot like WW D1.  Lots of jokes, lots of votes.  I think the biggest points against him is that he didn't really want a limetime lynch.  He pushes for IG, but never actually votes for him (outside of RVS).  He doesn't hammer Hydrad, which puts him on the townier side, but the wagon came together so fast I think he would've looked very scummy hammering at that point.  He pushes the RR lynch, which as I said above I give a slight scum feel to.

D2:
  PPS claims that he RB'd IG, and IG says he targeted WW and we didn't have a NK that night.  Wow this is pretty huge for WW.  I have to think if there is a situation where this doesn't look like WW is IC, but I can't think anything up at the moment.  I guess chairs could've doctored the correct person, and IG really just didn't target WW at all.
  votes for IG
  votes for gkrieg
  talks about my claim and verifies that he targeted e

  So D2 he gets a whole lot townier.  There is the course of events that he is scum, but with IG flipping scum, the simplest explanation is that WW was targeted for the NK and then he lived because IG was RB'd.  Although I guess IG could've been lying about his target.  We actually didn't get either of the mafia-aligned roles on flip, so there is no way to confirm that IG was ever a voyeur at all.  He also ends up off a scum wagon, so scum points

D3:
  votes for IG after e votes for him, which makes sense with the whole neighborhood thing as far as I understand it
  e says he won't claim anything ever, even at L-1
  Tells IG that he is insane or wrong.  then unvotes when IG explains himself again
  votes IG again
  votes PPS
  His top three lynch candidates are PPS/IG/gkrieg
 
  From D3, he doesn't seem all that much scummier nor townier.  Once again he votes IG when there isn't much pressure on IG then unvotes when nobody takes him up on it.  I think it would've looked townier if we ever got a large wagon going on IG.  But there were lots of interactions D3 between him and IG, and I feel partners try to avoid that if they can.  Ultimately ends up on a mislynch again.

D4:
  talks more setup stuff with e about cops
  says that e can't be insane because he got two different results and one of them was an innocent result on WW.
  He claims and explains some of his scummy behavior.  I don't know what to think about this explanation.  I think his willingness to sheep e is well explained by a neighborhood, as is his going after IG, but only partially.
  He talks more about how IG really is probably a voyeur
  talks about how my claim is all public knowledge.  I think this was more true because I was last to claim, and was a watcher.
  says that he thinks scum actually has investigative roles.
  day ends in a no lynch

  So WW could've gotten on and voted for IG and hammered him.  I don't think it is really that scummy that he didn't.  It is probably better that we had an odd number going into LYLO anyway.  I think WW gets a lot townier from his analysis of things D4.  He does a kind of soft defense of IG saying that he is actually probably a voyeur, but then says that he thinks scum has investigative roles. 

D5:
  votes for IG right off the bat
  says he doesn't have much interest

  So nothing really from this day

Conclusion:

  So overall, I think I am still on the fence about WW.  He got a lot townier in the recent few days, and the IG/PPS RB thing makes me think he is town.  I think he would've killed e coming into the last day because of the results that e has on him and IG, so I really doubt that he is scum, because he could've made himself a super IC coming into the last day.

I'm gonna take a break then reread e.
 

[gkrieg13]

e D1:
  gives PPS a D1 pass
  RVS votes chairs
  Says that he will wait til D3 to lynch Hydrad.  Also RVS
  votes WW sheeping another RVS
  votes Haddock for defending him
  likes the Haddock wagon
  says Awaclus's vote on Haddock is strange
  votes WW
  says that Haddock is a good D2, D3 lynch
  sheeps limetime onto Hydrad and puts him at L-1
  makes a reads list.  He has limetime and IG as not lynch today
  says he is fishing for a case on WW, and that it isn't bad D1
  says he likes Hydrad at L-1 the more he is there
  votes Axxle
  his scum read on WW changes quickly to a town read
  tries to get the game moving again
  says limetime is townie by trying to get the game moving forward
  votes for Hydrad an puts him at L-1 again
  then unvotes
  says Hydrad sitting at L-1 for so long has to mean something
  votes for RR
  puts out a case that RR has been jokey with not much content
  says RR is claiming survivor, then he actually does claim survivor
  says he is willing to let survivors live past D1 and votes for chairs
  keeps advocating for keeping RR alive
  says everyone that isn't voting is bad
  votes for haddock
  rereads while drunk
  gives a case on Haddock
  says we can lynch IG D3 or something.  Not sure how much of this drunk stuff I want to put in here
  votes gkrieg
  gives another reads list, once again IG is not lynching today and limetime is "This is just a bad lynch.  You guys voting for him should feel bad."
  votes for chairs
  tries to build a case on chairs
  wants to go gkrieg or chairs but will switch to RR
  hammers RR

  So e is trying to push a lot of wagons D1.  His two reads list have limetime and IG as townie enough that he wouldn't lynch either of them.  It is also strange to me that he doesn't want to lynch RR more after both he and Haddock claim cop, when he is a cop.

D2:
  starts the day voting IG
  votes WW
  goes back to voting for IG
  defends limetime once again.
  says he Haddock, gkrieg, pps are town
  says he won't hammer limetime, and is kinda frantic about it (might be buzzed again?)
 
  This is a very scummy day for e.  He defends limetime a lot and tries to push the lynch onto other people.

D3:
  starts the day off voting for IG
  says that his vote on limetime was trying to get town cred
  says he thinks the N1 RB is the best reason for no N1NK
  he responds to my case on him by saying that he wasn't excited for the RR lynch.  After rereading him, he really wasn't that excited for it.
  says gkrieg is town because he would need to be in a conspiracy theory with WW to be scum
  his conf!town list is WW, myself and Awaclus
  says he won't claim anything no matter what
  votes WW then goes back to IG
  unvotes IG when he is at L-1 and says that we have new claims so we don't want to rush into a lynch today
  says we are likely to find scum in pps/chairs/IG
  compiles all of the claims
  talks about PPS's claim
  says that he thinks scum will have fairly strong powers that make it difficult to trust PR results
  votes IG again
  votes for WW over PPS
  then votes chairs
  says he would rather go IG or chairs than PPS
  keeps pushing chairs
  votes pps because "we need a lynch"
 
  So I think the main points of this day are that he hammers right at the deadline again, which isn't that indicative of alignment.  He also unvotes IG when he is at L-1, which ultimately dismantles the wagon on IG. 

D4:
  votes IG
  claims to be a cop and unvotes because LYLO
  still thinks IG is scum
  talks about his cop claim being valid even with one other claimed cop and having the same role
  votes IG
 
  Overall a pretty good day for e.  I think it was clear that IG was going down D4 anyway, so I'm not sure I give the vote too much town cred

D5:
  votes IG

Conclusion:
  He tries to deflect from the limetime lynch D2, unvotes IG D3 when he is at L-1, claims cop when we already had two claimed cops and a tracker claimed.  I'm pretty sure I know where I want to vote, but want to see what you two have to say before I cast my vote.
 

[Witherweaver]

I'm going to need some time.  I'll try to get some reading in tomorrow.

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Didn't get my reread done yesterday, will try to get it done today/tomorrow, but we will see

[Witherweaver]

I'm not going to get to reread today.

I've been considering e as probably town most of this game; if he's scum here he came out on Day 2 with a guilty result on scum!Ichi (he claimed this in the neighobrhood).  That's quite a bit of a move.. mitigated here by the 'questionable sanity' of Cops.  Could be a scum move.. idea would be that there is a reason to stay a little hedged on the result, if lynch goes through it 'verifies' him as sane.  I don't know.

[Witherweaver]

I need to start making myself more killable.  On the other hand, this could be 4/4.