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[AndrewisFTTW]

Jimm said WW (redirector) targeted me D1. So somebody got roleblocked N1.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I mean N1.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Roleblocked AND doctored.

[yuma]

Right... right... I forgot about Jimmmm saying that about Night1

OK... so this is how I understand it:

TA targeted yuma (got a result)
Andrew targeted TA (intending to roleblock)
WW targeted Andrew (redirected Andrew's roleblock, turning it into a JK, to someone other than TA)
Jimmmm targeted WW (saw WW target Andrew)

It wasn't ash. It wasn't Xerxes. It could have been redirected to me or xeiron I believe or anyone else that is dead...

[AndrewisFTTW]

Yeah. So just a whole lot of nothing.

As far as flavor stuff, saidin, which is the male half of the true source, is "tainted" by evil. Other than that, "tainted" doesn't really have much to do with anything. As far as cuendillar goes, I guess I'm not at the part where Egewene deals with that. Cuendillar is what the Dark One's seals are made out of, and it was once unbreakable. The seals on the Dark One's prison are weakening and thus Cuendillar is no longer indestructible. I guess Egwene fixes that later.

[Twistedarcher]

What? Andrew, I got a result on Yuma n1.

This doesn't make sense.

[yuma]

What? Andrew, I got a result on Yuma n1.

This doesn't make sense.

See everything above. We are pretty sure that Andrew's power was redirected by WW, confirmed by Jimmmm seeing WW target Andrew. I am pretty sure that is right at least...

[yuma]

Anyway, no reason for me to wait longer I guess.

I'm a Tracker.

Night 1 I Tracked shraeye and got no result.

Night 2 I Tracked Witherweaver. The ONLY person he targeted was Andrew. I think that probably means he was targeting Andrew for the Nightkill?

Wait... Jimmmm said this about Night2. So it could still apply night1 and I wouldn't be surprised if it did, but it isn't as confirmed as I thought.

[yuma]

I think based off what we know... WW's action was to not target Andrew for the kill, but instead use it as a mafia JK to stop anyone else... I would not be surprised if they did this both night1 and night2 to stop whomever they thought might have a good role...

[Twistedarcher]

Someone is definitely lying at some point of this chain, though.... I highly doubt everyone involved is town. There is mafia in there. Keep in kind mafia know exactly what ww did and are more able to manipulate his results

I would guess jimmmmm. If he is mafia he KNOWS who ww targeted n1 so there's no risk of a counterclaim.

[yuma]

Someone is definitely lying at some point of this chain, though....

Definitely?

You are the only one that has lied with absolute certainty. Everything else is mere speculation because of mafia's redirector role...

[Twistedarcher]

You are right about Andrew/ jimmm... Let me think about this when I get home

[AndrewisFTTW]

AH you're right! Sorry I missed that. I guess that means I was roleblocked or... something. I'm so confused.

[yuma]

Look if I am mafia and Andrew is what he claimed at the end of day1 and I have a redirecting power than I am going to use it on Andrew!

It is a really good strat and probably the obvious choice. You target him, change what he was going to do--which is a very strong role--and turn it on someone else. So you are effectively blocking two town PRs! Well done scum. And I am sure they did it both night1 and night2 so that explains what happened to your stuff ta and explains why Jimmmm saw what he saw.

Assuming people are in fact telling the truth, but stuff just makes sense here...

[Twistedarcher]

So who do you think the mafia are Yuma?

[yuma]

So who do you think the mafia are Yuma?

Not me, not Archetype. Still pretty confident not Andrew.

I don't see the point of Xerxes role if he is mafia... unless he can subtly poison people like he did to xeiron. But I think he is one of the most suspect in terms of stuff with WW, which we should remember when talking about all of this mass claim stuff...

Xeiron appears to be dying anyway (sidebar: xeiron, if we kill the person who stole your dagger would you recover? That might be a really good reason to try and kill the SK today) but I am still kinda suspect of him.

I think you have a high % of being a SK or even mafia partnered with ash who is lying about your role... but probably more likely to be SK.

Leaving ash and Jimmmm as mafia kinda by default?

Ash I could see being a real Role Cop for mafia... Jimmmm had a very flimsy role claim, which if true is the way it is, but if fake was not able to really be verified at all...

[AndrewisFTTW]

Ok we gotta organize this.

Andrew - Nynaeve - Split Jailkeeper
N1 - Roleblocked TA
N2 - Doctored yuma

yuma - Aviendha - JOAT Vig
D2 - Shot ADK
N2 - Shot WW

Archetype - Seraph Knight - 1-Shot Permanent Doctor thing
N1 - Permanently doctors yuma

Xeiron - Mat Cauthon - Tainted Anti-Ascetic Townie
Immune against night action using the one power

Twistedarcher - Thomdril Merrilin - 1-Shot Forsaken Immune Thief
N1 - Targeted yuma
N2 - Targeted Xerxespraelor

ashersky - Perrin Aybara - Role Cop
N1 - Targeted TA
N2 - Targeted Jimm - no result

Jimmmmm - ? - Tracker
N1 - Tracked shraeye - no result
N2 - Tracked Witherweaver - targeted Andrew

Xerxespraelor - Egwene - Mailman
N1 - Sent message to shraeye
N2 - Sent message to Xeiron

[yuma]

Thanks Andrew.

So for me I think it likely "possible" that mafia used Andrew to block someone night1 and used Andrew to block ashersky Night2. This makes me read townier on ashersky a bit...

The big issues for me at this point all regard TA:
1. he lied about being a thief...
2. he said xerxes has something that xerxes claims to not have...

[AndrewisFTTW]

The other thing that's weird is Xerxes sent a message to Xeiron and it was confirmed. Xeiron is immune to night actions using the one power but if Xerxes is Egwene then the night action would most likely be using the one power. This probably doesn't mean much though.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Thanks Andrew.

So for me I think it likely "possible" that mafia used Andrew to block someone night1 and used Andrew to block ashersky Night2. This makes me read townier on ashersky a bit...

The big issues for me at this point all regard TA:
1. he lied about being a thief...
2. he said xerxes has something that xerxes claims to not have...

He didn't exactly lie about being a thief but your second point is sill unexplained. But then there's the claim that he was shot last night. If he's specifically forsaken immune that would indeed mean it was a mafia shot assuming mafia are all forsaken (like WW).

[xeiron]

Filling out on the list:


Andrew - Nynaeve - Split Jailkeeper
N1 - Roleblocked TA
N2 - Doctored yuma

yuma - Aviendha - JOAT Vig
D2 - Shot ADK
N2 - Shot WW

Archetype - Moiraine - Seraph Knight - 1-Shot Permanent Doctor thing
N1 - Permanently doctors yuma

Xeiron - Mat Cauthon - Tainted Anti-Ascetic Townie
Immune against night action using the one power

Twistedarcher - Thomdril Merrilin - 1-Shot Forsaken Immune Thief
N1 - Targeted yuma
N2 - Targeted Xerxespraelor

ashersky - Perrin Aybara - Role Cop
N1 - Targeted TA
N2 - Targeted Jimm - no result

Jimmmmm - ? - Tracker
N1 - Tracked shraeye - no result
N2 - Tracked Witherweaver - targeted Andrew

Xerxespraelor - Egwene - Mailman
N1 - Sent message to shraeye
N2 - Sent message to Xeiron

___________Dead_Players:_____________

Sudgy - Elayne Trankand - a Ter'angreal Maker (Inventor)
Lynced D1

A Drowned Kernel - Rand al'Thor, the Dragon Reborn - a Tainted Cop
N1 - Targeted ??
Dayvigged D2

Faust - Elmindreda (Min) Farshaw - Viewer (Voyeur).
N1 - targeted ??
Killed N1

Shraeye Loial son of Arent son of Halan, an Ogier 1-shot Commuter.
N1 - Did not commute
Killed N1

Witherweaver - Rahvin, the Diplomat - a Forsaken-aligned Redirector
N1 - Targeted ??
N2 - Targeted Andrew
Killed N2
[/quote]

[xeiron]

The other thing that's weird is Xerxes sent a message to Xeiron and it was confirmed. Xeiron is immune to night actions using the one power but if Xerxes is Egwene then the night action would most likely be using the one power. This probably doesn't mean much though.

This one did give me a pause as well. I think the explanatin is that the mailman-power is flavorly tied to the dreamworld, tel'aran'rhiod, and not to use of the one power, and that is why I am not immune against recieving letters.

[xeiron]

So who do you think the mafia are Yuma?

Not me, not Archetype. Still pretty confident not Andrew.

I don't see the point of Xerxes role if he is mafia... unless he can subtly poison people like he did to xeiron. But I think he is one of the most suspect in terms of stuff with WW, which we should remember when talking about all of this mass claim stuff...

Xeiron appears to be dying anyway (sidebar: xeiron, if we kill the person who stole your dagger would you recover? That might be a really good reason to try and kill the SK today) but I am still kinda suspect of him.

I think you have a high % of being a SK or even mafia partnered with ash who is lying about your role... but probably more likely to be SK.

Leaving ash and Jimmmm as mafia kinda by default?

Ash I could see being a real Role Cop for mafia... Jimmmm had a very flimsy role claim, which if true is the way it is, but if fake was not able to really be verified at all...

I really doubt it.
If there exists a method to save me, one of Sudgys invention is my best guess. To late for that now.

[yuma]

I would highly recommend asking the mod in a PM. At the least he says no and we are in the same spot...

[xeiron]

My opinions on this game are very vague and ill-formed, and I totally stopped keeping up with. From what I remember, Andrew and ash have been at each other's throats, and there's very good chance one of them is scum. I could see it being either of them, and they're probably my top two lynch candidates for today.

The only people I don't think I'd lynch are witherweaver, who seems very townie on a brief reread, and yuma, though the longer he goes without shooting the more I'm likely to vote for him.

So I guess doing the list thing, but splitting into three:

Would like to lynch:
AndrewisFTTW
ashersky

Would be willing to lynch:
XP
xeiron
TA
jim
archetype

Would not be willing to lynch:
ww, yuma, me

Out of the "willing to lynch", I'm pretty even on all of them for now. Maybe a targeted reread is in the future now that this is my only mafia game.

A Drowned Kernel did probably never get a useful cop result.

I just checked his posts, and found this.
I think that if he had a innocence result on someone, he would place them in 'not willing to lynch'. But There we find WW (scum), yuma (IC) and himself (town).
Would he have claimed with a scum result? I hope so.
He probable targeted Shraeye or faust or was roleblocked.