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[Twistedarcher]

Then you should vote Andrew..he is more viable than Ash I believe. I don't see Ash getting to 7 votes, he is farther away and several people have said they wouldn't vote him. (I won't vote him personally)

[AndrewisFTTW]

Alright alright.

vote: sudgy

[Twistedarcher]

Like seriously guys...yes we all want to lynch our #1 scum read D1...but it's not possible for everyone to do this. It seems like everyone is sitting on their #1 read...and surprise...we are nowhere. We need to compromise here to get a lynch through, that's how it works D1

[Witherweaver]

Then you should vote Andrew..he is more viable than Ash I believe. I don't see Ash getting to 7 votes, he is farther away and several people have said they wouldn't vote him. (I won't vote him personally)

Okay, I'm back to Vote: AndrewisFTTW.

[xeiron]

xeiron I'm finding scummy, like he's willing to lynch literally anybody. XP's OMGUS against ash is stirring some warning bells.

I understand that you might get the impression like I'm willing to lynch anybody if you are talking from memory. However, if you do reread my posts, you will see that I have been talking about lynching jimmmmm, andrew, jiimmmmm, andrew, andrew and jimmmmm. I will insist that those two is not literally everybody. Also, among notable lynch candidates, I am against both Sudgy and Ashersky.

[Twistedarcher]

Want to lynch: Sudgy, Andrew, Xeiron
Would lynch: Jimmm, Faust, Arch, WW, ADK
Won't lynch: Xerxes, Shraeye, Ash, Yuma

Everyone should make one of these lists, it will help us decide consensus.

PPE: Thank you Andrew and WW. Sorry to be semi-lecturing you guys but we need to compromise getting lynches through, and that means moving votes to useful places. If it turns out 7 people have Xeiron or Ash or someone on their "want to lynch" lists we can of course consider it, but I imagine it's too late for that, and we have better odds at Andrew/Sudgy where it has already been demonstrated that there's the votes there.

[xeiron]

Back to vote: AndrewisFTTW as that is the larger wagon.

[Twistedarcher]

That is 4 on Sudgy and 4 on Andrew.

[Jorbles]

Vote Count 1.13:

sudgy (4): Twistedarcher, Archetype, A Drowned Kernel, AndrewisFTTW
AndrewisFTTW (4): XerxesPraelor, sudgy, Witherweaver, xeiron
ashersky (1): shraeye
Jimmmmm (1): yuma
Twistedarcher (1): faust

Not voting (2): ashersky, Jimmmmm

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends April 3 at 8 PM forum time (that's in about 6 hours). (mail-mi won't be home at that time, but no more votes will be accepted after that time. Jorbles WILL be around and will post the flip, but no flavour.)

[xeiron]

Want to lynch: Sudgy, Andrew, Xeiron
Would lynch: Jimmm, Faust, Arch, WW, ADK
Won't lynch: Xerxes, Shraeye, Ash, Yuma

Everyone should make one of these lists, it will help us decide consensus.

PPE: Thank you Andrew and WW. Sorry to be semi-lecturing you guys but we need to compromise getting lynches through, and that means moving votes to useful places. If it turns out 7 people have Xeiron or Ash or someone on their "want to lynch" lists we can of course consider it, but I imagine it's too late for that, and we have better odds at Andrew/Sudgy where it has already been demonstrated that there's the votes there.

I agree that everyone should make such a list:

Mine is:
Want to lynch: Andrew, jimmmmm
Would lynch:  Archetype, WW, ADK, Shraeye
Won't lynch: Xerxes, TA, Ash, Yuma, Sudgy, Faust

[Witherweaver]

So we only have a few hours?  And then what, it goes to night with no lynch?

[ashersky]

Around until deadline, will hammer when needed.

Going to catch up and will do a popsquiz.

[ashersky]

That is 4 on Sudgy and 4 on Andrew.

TA, would you switch to Andrew if needed for a lynch?

[sudgy]

I want to lynch Andrew, I could easily be brought into lynching pretty much any lurker (which includes xeiron, who would be my second lynch), and I don't want to lynch yuma or ash.  Anybody else I would only do as a last resort (or if a sudden good case got brought up on them).

[ashersky]

Faust, Yuma, and shraeye are directly contributing to this stall out.

Yuma's seems at least somewhat purposeful, as he's given Andrew IC status and doesn't mind a NK lynch.
Faust is a bit out there on his thinking, don't think he's maliciously stalling.
Shraeye disappeared forever ago.

[Jorbles]

As a reminder (though you all seem fairly aware):

5. If there is no majority lynch by deadline, it will be a no lynch.

It is 3 hours to deadline. Vote count remains the same.

[Twistedarcher]

That is 4 on Sudgy and 4 on Andrew.

TA, would you switch to Andrew if needed for a lynch?

Absolutely.

I'm in kinda a weird position actually, I am definitely thinking it's likely there's 1, and exactly 1 scum among Sudgy-Andrew. Given that they've been the major opposing wagons, I would be shocked if there's 2 scum there. It's definitely possible they are both town, but I really do think there's a scum in there, the movement away from both wagons onto others is sketchy to me (obviously there's a lot of town doing this, since like 6-8 people or something have been exploring other options, but there's a possibility it's scum trying to move the wagons elsewhere as well, trying to see what will stick.)

I think Sudgy is more likely than Andrew, but I think there's a high enough chance Andrew is scum and Sudgy is town. It's weird because part of me is saying that "there's likely a scum there, so either is a fine lynch" and a part of me that's saying "Sudgy is scummier than Andrew, and they can't both be scum, so Andrew should be off the table today", but ultimately I'm not sold enough on Sudgy > Andrew to take Andrew off the table. So I will definitely prefer Sudgy but I'd settle for Andrew basically.

(Probably I'm wrong, and they are both town, I am horrible at reading people lately)

[xeiron]

If both TA and Ash votes for Andrew, that is still just {L-1}

It would be really nice if Faust, Yuma,  shraeye or jimmmmm could show up and move their vote to a useful place.

[ashersky]

That is 4 on Sudgy and 4 on Andrew.

TA, would you switch to Andrew if needed for a lynch?

Absolutely.

I'm in kinda a weird position actually, I am definitely thinking it's likely there's 1, and exactly 1 scum among Sudgy-Andrew. Given that they've been the major opposing wagons, I would be shocked if there's 2 scum there. It's definitely possible they are both town, but I really do think there's a scum in there, the movement away from both wagons onto others is sketchy to me (obviously there's a lot of town doing this, since like 6-8 people or something have been exploring other options, but there's a possibility it's scum trying to move the wagons elsewhere as well, trying to see what will stick.)

I think Sudgy is more likely than Andrew, but I think there's a high enough chance Andrew is scum and Sudgy is town. It's weird because part of me is saying that "there's likely a scum there, so either is a fine lynch" and a part of me that's saying "Sudgy is scummier than Andrew, and they can't both be scum, so Andrew should be off the table today", but ultimately I'm not sold enough on Sudgy > Andrew to take Andrew off the table. So I will definitely prefer Sudgy but I'd settle for Andrew basically.

(Probably I'm wrong, and they are both town, I am horrible at reading people lately)

I'm basically where you are, except I think Andrew > Sudgy as far as scum chances go.

Won't lynch because townread: TA, arch
Won't lynch because confirmable, crazy claim: yuma
Null, probably would, but might not lynch: xeiron, ADK, Faust
Would lynch:  xerxespraelor, Jimmmmm, witherweaver
Would absolutely lynch: sudgy
Prefer to lynch: Andrew, shraeye

[ashersky]

If both TA and Ash votes for Andrew, that is still just {L-1}

It would be really nice if Faust, Yuma,  shraeye or jimmmmm could show up and move their vote to a useful place.

Correct.

They are absolutely stalling the game and forcing a no lynch, which is bad.  We're at a 30-page D1.  30 pages.  This is a behemoth re-read and with no flip at the end, we have no data point to compare anything to.  Unacceptable.

[Twistedarcher]

Ash why aren't you voting?

[ashersky]

Ash why aren't you voting?

So I can hammer.

You can consider me voting Andrew, then sudgy.

[Twistedarcher]

I don't get your obsession with it, I think you should vote, but whatever

[ashersky]

I don't get your obsession with it, I think you should vote, but whatever

My obsession is mostly with being the statistical leader in something.  I think it comes from my love of baseball, to be honest.

Also, lots of people are scared to hammer, so it helps to know someone is willing.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.13:

sudgy (4): Twistedarcher, Archetype, A Drowned Kernel, AndrewisFTTW
AndrewisFTTW (4): XerxesPraelor, sudgy, Witherweaver, xeiron
ashersky (1): shraeye
Jimmmmm (1): yuma
Twistedarcher (1): faust

Not voting (2): ashersky, Jimmmmm

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends April 3 at 8 PM forum time (that's in about 6 hours). (mail-mi won't be home at that time, but no more votes will be accepted after that time. Jorbles WILL be around and will post the flip, but no flavour.)

No change since this count, and no one not voting for andrew/sudgy has posted since.