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[yuma]

(That and if I keep voting for and lynching) faust often enough in the games we play in, eventually he is bound to flip mafia right?

It worked with Arch in Time War.

Except that I came flying in and suggested no-lynch....

speaking of which, has that been considered here? I am thinking it is probably bad (it almost always is) but again, with as many PRs as we have do we want the game to be extended longer so more people have a chance to potentially catch scum?

[Twistedarcher]

Actually, no lynch could be a good idea. It makes N4 and N5 cops more likely to get used, too.

[pingpongsam]

(That and if I keep voting for and lynching) faust often enough in the games we play in, eventually he is bound to flip mafia right?

It worked with Arch in Time War.

Except that I came flying in and suggested no-lynch....

speaking of which, has that been considered here? I am thinking it is probably bad (it almost always is) but again, with as many PRs as we have do we want the game to be extended longer so more people have a chance to potentially catch scum?

Actually, I originally suggested it. You liked it and actually argued for it. It was a scum trap that just barely didn't work. The whole plan was to get someone to look scummy as hell for arguing for no-lynch. If they succeeded even better.

[Jimmmmm]

sorry, just the first part of that sentence should be bolded... but the part after the bold is what I think does have merit...

So you're saying that there must be at least one scum who thinks they would be voting for pps if they were Town?

[Twistedarcher]

I would say right now if I had to guess where scum is in the above vote count, I would say 1 is voting for PPS and at least 1 is not voting.... or PPS is scum, but I am thinking one on PPS is scum. So i'll keep voting for faust.

Vote:Yuma

Rather than trying to access whether or not PPS is scum, he's trying to find someone on the PPS wagon. He hasn't put forth a read on PPS, instead, is looking for someone voting for PPS to put suspicion on.

Looking for scum on a wagon, rather than trying to access if the wagon is correct, is something that scum do more than town.

[yuma]

I would say right now if I had to guess where scum is in the above vote count, I would say 1 is voting for PPS and at least 1 is not voting.... or PPS is scum, but I am thinking one on PPS is scum. So i'll keep voting for faust.

I guess you are right TA, there isn't a read in my quote here, although I certainly intended there to be one as I agreed with whomever it was that said PPS was being more like the Innovation? PPS than the DW PPS

[yuma]

(That and if I keep voting for and lynching) faust often enough in the games we play in, eventually he is bound to flip mafia right?

It worked with Arch in Time War.

Except that I came flying in and suggested no-lynch....

speaking of which, has that been considered here? I am thinking it is probably bad (it almost always is) but again, with as many PRs as we have do we want the game to be extended longer so more people have a chance to potentially catch scum?

Actually, I originally suggested it. You liked it and actually argued for it. It was a scum trap that just barely didn't work. The whole plan was to get someone to look scummy as hell for arguing for no-lynch. If they succeeded even better.

Hmmm, I don't remember you suggesting it, what initially triggered me thinking about it was nkirbit? I think? talking about how the town wouldn't allow a no-lynch to go through and votes would be cast at the last minute if needed... and it got me thinking "would that be so bad" same thing applies here... "would that be so bad"

I'll give it some thought tomorrow as I am about to head to bed.

[yuma]

Looking for scum on a wagon, rather than trying to access if the wagon is correct, is something that scum do more than town.

But while we are discussing this, let's also discuss this:

Throwing out blanket statements, rather than providing evidence to show it as such, is something that scum do more than town.

[Twistedarcher]

I know it's something I've done twice -- I did it D1 in Innovation on the mail-mi wagon, and in Modern Community on the nkirbit D1 wagon. I know Nkirbit did it D1 in clue on the AShersky wagon. When I did it in Modern Community, I knew immediately "crap, I shouldn't have done that", and I was called out on it, and it's a red flag I noted to specifically look for in future games.

[Twistedarcher]

Basically, I think that town wants to think "Is PPS scum? Let's try to figure that out", while scum might skip that step, since they don't have to spend the time thinking if PPS is scum. Pre-emptive wagon analysis before a flip is less likely from town (and you're right, that's a blanket statement, but it's one I believe to be true).

[Twistedarcher]

Also, if Yuma is scum, I doubt he covers for a partner like that D1, so PPS is probably town. So a bit townier on PPS now.

[Jimmmmm]

Town read on TA, with the disclaimer that what Eevee said makes sense.

Slight scum read on yuma, with the disclaimer that yuma is supposed to be super hard to catch as scum.



Scum read on myself for posting hedgy disclaimers.

[Robz888]

Okay, I'm aiming to read and catch up in the next two days. I just haven't had time for everything and have had to prioritize other games, Survivor and real life.

[Teproc]

Hey there people !

As far as claiming, not claiming goes, here's where I stand :
- Doctors never claim.
- Cops claim with a guilty result

Jimmmm's plan of doctors rolling 1-5 and saying who they would have investigated is very interesting. It has problems :
- If a doc says he targeted scum and doesn't say anything about his result, scum will know he's lying. I'm not sure this is actually that big a deal. You could say it reduces their NK pool, but that would happen anyway : if they're trying to kill future cops, they will target people who haven't "claimed" a night yet anyway.
- TA's objection that a doctor might clear someone accidentally. I don't think that's true at all, it's pretty simple : we shouldn't assume anything until someone full claims. The whole claiming after the night is just something we can look at once they die, not something we should base votes on the next day.

The alternative is to just allow cops to claim with any result. I think we should do either one of these (either cops always claiming after investigation or the numbers thing).

I think you should only claim a night at L-1 if your night has already come and gone. Obviously no one should claim their night at L-1 on day 1, that would be ridiculous, but the same goes for a night-2/3/4/5 PR on day 2. That seems like a good idea because it's not even something that prevents your lynch at all, so scum can't make much of it.

I agree that yuma's wagon analysis is scummy. At the very least it's wrong, because some people like Robz or myself have not voted because we were absent more than anything else. In fact, the more I think about it, the less I believe town!yuma would do something like that.

vote: yuma

[Teproc]

Town read on TA, with the disclaimer that what Eevee said makes sense.

If you think what Eevee said makes sense, by your/his own logic, you should probably be voting for him, shouldn't you ?

[Jimmmmm]

Town read on TA, with the disclaimer that what Eevee said makes sense.

If you think what Eevee said makes sense, by your/his own logic, you should probably be voting for him, shouldn't you ?

Yes.

[Teproc]

Oh you are ! I thought you had unvoted at some point since that was RVS.

[faust]

I would say right now if I had to guess where scum is in the above vote count, I would say 1 is voting for PPS and at least 1 is not voting.... or PPS is scum, but I am thinking one on PPS is scum. So i'll keep voting for faust.

Well... that's a lame reason to vote me.

[faust]

I don't think it was a misunderstanding, at least not the crux of it which was summed up in bold:

vote: yuma for now. Has apparently played this setup before, but his contributions are a bit lacking original thought for that. And the whole "I'm so glad I'm not scum" thing rubs me the wrong way.

1. lacking original thought
2. rubbing him the wrong way

neither of which are valid reasons for a vote, while the third part 3. apparently played this game before is just a sidebar to the whole discussion.

But that alone wouldn't be enough for me to keep my vote there if there was something else a bit more pertinent elsewhere (there hasn't been), but me thinking there is scum somewhere on the pps wagon is.

(That and if I keep voting for and lynching) faust often enough in the games we play in, eventually he is bound to flip mafia right?

My post was roughly what? The tenth in-game post or so? If something you do is rubbing me the wrong way at that point, that's more than enough reason for a vote.

I know the last part of this isn't serious, but the fact that you mislynch me as town on a regular basis should maybe make you second-guess your opinion on me.

[Eevee]

I think faust's points against yuma are more reasonable than yuma's points against him (and I think it's worth noting because I rarely disagree with yuma's points). "Rubbing me the wrong way" is just another way of expressing a gut feeling, and we shouldn't just dismiss those, especially day 1 when there is no strong hard evidence anyways.

[faust]

Actually, no lynch could be a good idea. It makes N4 and N5 cops more likely to get used, too.

I think this is interesting, and I want to do some math to see just how good it is (because I like to do math). Don't have the time right now though, so it will have to wait.

[Eevee]

(because I like to do math)

It's statements like this that make you seem suspicious.

[Voltaire]

Looking for scum on a wagon, rather than trying to access if the wagon is correct, is something that scum do more than town.

But while we are discussing this, let's also discuss this:

Throwing out blanket statements, rather than providing evidence to show it as such, is something that scum do more than town.

Pretty sure this is wrong.

[Twistedarcher]

(because I like to do math)

It's statements like this that make you seem suspicious.

No, it's statements like these that are completely null. I don't doubt that Faust likes to do math, regardless of whether he's town or scum.

It's unusual that I am disagreeing with you this much this early. You seem to be playing much less from your gut than you normally do.

[Voltaire]

I think Eevee was making a joke?