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[mail-mi]

mail-mi, get your butt in here and convince Teproc you're town. That looks like the only way town's going to win.

In class (it's been a review class so far) and I promise I will as soon as I can have computer access.

[Teproc]

They don't as much. As town, I think you'd be more careful about excluding mail-mi for what I perceive to be weak reasons. If all he has to do to appear town is act this way, it maked it very easy for him as scum, and I think you know that.

I also think that, as scum, mail-mi has tried behaving differently, and has been lynched because he wasn't "normal mail-mi". It would make sense for him to go back to his normal meta as scum in this game. You apparently not seeing this is scummy to me.

About your "Well, that was fun" post. No one seems to think it's scummy. I obviously do. Since I'm apparently a quasi-IC today, don't you think scum would have tried to play that up, to confirm to me that this was indeed a scummy post ? No one has done that (yuma and mail-mi don't find it scummy, Eevee hasn't commented on it).

PPE: Lol, I guess you guys are well coordinated ! Just kidding, but I don't think anyon can convince me they're town anyway. I'm not convinced yuma is town. I'm just even less convinced that you are.

[Voltaire]

It reads to me like Voltaire decided that the meta defense would be enough to keep mail-mi out of trouble in the first few (which it was), and then went straight to bussing on day 3. This is very abrupt, so much so that I do think it's pretty likely to have been orchestrated in night 2.
Interesting that he starts day 3 with a town read on yuma, but then gradually finds him scummy. What I think about that, and this might be me being self-centered, is that he seemed to have abandoned the mail-mi-Eevee possibility right when I did. At that point, he figured : "Hey, I don't even have to bus ! Just have to convince Teproc that the correct team in yuma/mail-mi and he'll vote for yuma".
He votes for yuma, and this helps me narrowing my decision to Voltaire/yuma. Now he just has to convince me to vote yuma, and mail-mi can hammer.

That's because I eliminated mail-mi/Eevee as a possibility and that means yuma has to be scum. Do you see what I am saying?

[Teproc]

I know that. I even comment on what I think happened there right in this quote you pulled.

[Voltaire]

1. They don't as much. As town, I think you'd be more careful about excluding mail-mi for what I perceive to be weak reasons. If all he has to do to appear town is act this way, it maked it very easy for him as scum, and I think you know that.

2. I also think that, as scum, mail-mi has tried behaving differently, and has been lynched because he wasn't "normal mail-mi". It would make sense for him to go back to his normal meta as scum in this game. You apparently not seeing this is scummy to me.

3. About your "Well, that was fun" post. No one seems to think it's scummy. I obviously do. Since I'm apparently a quasi-IC today, don't you think scum would have tried to play that up, to confirm to me that this was indeed a scummy post ? No one has done that (yuma and mail-mi don't find it scummy, Eevee hasn't commented on it).

4. PPE: Lol, I guess you guys are well coordinated ! Just kidding, but I don't think anyon can convince me they're town anyway. I'm not convinced yuma is town. I'm just even less convinced that you are.

I've numbered your paragraphs.

1. Yes, it does make it easy for him as scum. You find him on late days. Or on D1, when he wants to claim Doctor at L-1. Have you read him in Harry Potter mafia? I highly recommend it, it won't take long.

2. Yes, that's possible, but think about what you're saying - it's a null tell. It'd be true if he's town or scum.

3. Not even scum is willing to mislynch me for that, it's so horrible. They're not doing it to get town credit, because it's the worst thing in the universe and it was extremely clear I was referring sarcastically to the Eevee non-lynch. I can walk you through this step by step if it helps.

4. Good, there is hope. I'm not giving up until you've voted. 

[Voltaire]

I know that. I even comment on what I think happened there right in this quote you pulled.

Is it not clear to you I was doing a half-dozen re-reads of all possibilities and players? Really, if you think I'm scum because of the order I decided to do my re-reads I will be very deflated. I think yuma successfully poisoned you into thinking anyone agreeing with you is scum sucking up to you.

[Voltaire]

1. Yes, it does make it easy for him as scum. You find him on late days. Or on D1, when he wants to claim Doctor at L-1. Have you read him in Harry Potter mafia? I highly recommend it, it won't take long.

Made a typo. I meant L-5. Seriously, he wanted to claim massively early in that game.

[Voltaire]

3. Not even scum is willing to mislynch me for that, it's so horrible. They're not doing it to get town credit, because it's the worst thing in the universe and it was extremely clear I was referring sarcastically to the Eevee non-lynch. I can walk you through this step by step if it helps.

Also, I explained myself seconds later, before the thread lock. It's not like I had to retrofit/invent a reason the next day.

Well...that was fun.

vote: Walrus

What the hell was that ?

Trying to switch to Eevee is all.

[Teproc]

Except you were trying to switch to yuma, not Eevee. The fact that you can't keep who you're lynching straight points towards scum as well.

[Voltaire]

Except you were trying to switch to yuma, not Eevee. The fact that you can't keep who you're lynching straight points towards scum as well.

...what?

What?

[Teproc]

I will go to Eevee or yuma.

vote: yuma

[Voltaire]

Oh, I guess you're right! But look here:

I will go to Eevee or yuma.

vote: yuma

and remember the entire day how I was all "two of yuma/Eevee/Walrus" and this is VERY IMPORTANT - how yuma claimed I was using dumb logic and Eevee fought hard to get mail-mi included. At that moment there were lots of Eevee votes, and I was getting nervous there were too many Eevee votes.

[Teproc]

Yeah I understand that. Again, this "scumslip" or whatever seems to be accepted by everyone to be lame, so that's ok. But even if it was the worst argument in the history of mafia, scum would probably have said something like "Well, I see how you could read it that way, but I don't really". yuma (and mail-mi) didn't even do that.

[Voltaire]

Except you were trying to switch to yuma, not Eevee. The fact that you can't keep who you're lynching straight points towards scum as well.

I admit Eevee is not the one I voted for. I preferred yuma over Eevee. I asked your opinion about Eevee votes, and at the same time, I said

I will go to Eevee or yuma.

vote: yuma

I don't think there's a fourth vote on yuma. The votes are there for Eevee I guess (not mine though).

I am kinda concerned about all the Eevee votes lying around, Teproc. EFHW what do you think about that? 9 minutes.

[mail-mi]

Yeah I understand that. Again, this "scumslip" or whatever seems to be accepted by everyone to be lame, so that's ok. But even if it was the worst argument in the history of mafia, scum would probably have said something like "Well, I see how you could read it that way, but I don't really". yuma (and mail-mi) didn't even do that.

It is a bit scummy--out of context. In context, it's totally null.

Pretty sold on Yuma/Eevee scum team.

[Voltaire]

Yeah I understand that. Again, this "scumslip" or whatever seems to be accepted by everyone to be lame, so that's ok. But even if it was the worst argument in the history of mafia, scum would probably have said something like "Well, I see how you could read it that way, but I don't really". yuma (and mail-mi) didn't even do that.

Are you really willing to bet the game on that?

[Voltaire]

Yeah I understand that. Again, this "scumslip" or whatever seems to be accepted by everyone to be lame, so that's ok. But even if it was the worst argument in the history of mafia, scum would probably have said something like "Well, I see how you could read it that way, but I don't really". yuma (and mail-mi) didn't even do that.

Are you really willing to bet the game on that?

Sorry, I don't mean to come across as rude. My heart has been racing all day. Win or lose, this has been quite thrilling. I'm still holding out hope you'll make the right choice.

[Voltaire]

Pretty sold on Yuma/Eevee scum team.

I see no reason not to vote, unless you still harbor concerns the scum team is someone else. I'm confident enough with my bet, I understand if everyone else is not.

[mail-mi]

Pretty sold on Yuma/Eevee scum team.

I see no reason not to vote, unless you still harbor concerns the scum team is someone else. I'm confident enough with my bet, I understand if everyone else is not.

I am still worried that I throw my vote down on Yuma, then Eevee comes in and hammers him and you two rejoice.

[Voltaire]

Pretty sold on Yuma/Eevee scum team.

I see no reason not to vote, unless you still harbor concerns the scum team is someone else. I'm confident enough with my bet, I understand if everyone else is not.

I am still worried that I throw my vote down on Yuma, then Eevee comes in and hammers him and you two rejoice.

Fair enough.

[Voltaire]

Pretty sold on Yuma/Eevee scum team.

I see no reason not to vote, unless you still harbor concerns the scum team is someone else. I'm confident enough with my bet, I understand if everyone else is not.

I am still worried that I throw my vote down on Yuma, then Eevee comes in and hammers him and you two rejoice.

This is also super-consistent with town!mail-mi.

Teproc, please please please read scum!mail-mi in KingsCourtGoonsMasquerade and in Harry Potter mafia. Both games are short and mail-mi posts very little, so it will not take very long. I think the difference should be very clear.

Yuma has successfully poisoned your mind and made you think that me agreeing with you is scum sucking up to you. Please look back on my case on yuma. Please look back at how yuma and Eevee responded to my "2 of 3 are scum" yesterday. Please look at how they've positioned themselves today, and how yuma has behaved after placing his vote on me.

[Teproc]

I did read mail-mi and those game and he was indeed very different. He was also lynched pretty much for that reason. I then took a look at a agame where he was town (can't remember which), and found that he wasn't as bandwagonny as he was this game. I will reconsider tomorrow in any case, I'm not voting tonight.

[yuma]

well if you have any questions for me, ask today. I am starting back into work tomorrow and won't be on much at all.

[yuma]

I am not sure how/when mail-mi separated me and voltaire out and decided I was the scummy one here...

Cause looks like he skimmed the last couple of pages and somehow ended up thinking I was the scummy one

Oh gosh that's a lot of pages. I skimmed while at lunch and now class is about to start. I'm not comfortable with either vote actually, Eevee is the scum. Well, one of the votes is on his partner, but I'm not sure which. Wish I could say more, school happens at the most inconvenient time doesn't it?

I would love to hear why he thinks this:

Yeah I understand that. Again, this "scumslip" or whatever seems to be accepted by everyone to be lame, so that's ok. But even if it was the worst argument in the history of mafia, scum would probably have said something like "Well, I see how you could read it that way, but I don't really". yuma (and mail-mi) didn't even do that.

It is a bit scummy--out of context. In context, it's totally null.

Pretty sold on Yuma/Eevee scum team.

[mail-mi]

@yuma: You were both about the same until your "I quit the convo" post. That was just incredibly scummy and put you above volt.