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[yuma]

Walrus did go for the faust wagon. He stated intent to hammer but mail-mi beat him to it.

Oof, that last faust post was a doozy wasn't it? Certainly it dispels some reservations I had about lynching him.

I could hammer or mail-mi could; I don't care.

Please read the whole of my posts... this is like the fourth time you have not read the whole thing and made yourself look rather foolish... (assuming you are talking to me here....)

So I think town points go to walrus for staying away from the faust wagon. although at the end (after faust's post that garnished most of our attention) he does say he is willing to vote and hammer him. So maybe that negates the town read from it

[Voltaire]

What do we make of Robz's statement that scum were likely to stay away from his wagon except for chairs? I personally think it's reasonable (full disclosure if you have a 10-second memory: I voted for Robz), we know he's town now. What he was saying is:

Eevee, Mail-mi, EFHW, yuma, chairs/Teproc

are more likely to be scum.

Thoughts? Dying doesn't make townies have better reads, but I can see the logic in the thought process. Of course EFHW was off his wagon and is town.

[Teproc]

Ok, sorry about that. To be fair, at least one of the times I've misread you is because you used "today" meaning gameday, and I took it as meaning actual day. I really did read too fast here, but I think I've mostly misunderstood you on less obvious points than this.

[Voltaire]

Walrus did go for the faust wagon. He stated intent to hammer but mail-mi beat him to it.

Oof, that last faust post was a doozy wasn't it? Certainly it dispels some reservations I had about lynching him.

I could hammer or mail-mi could; I don't care.

Please read the whole of my posts... this is like the fourth time you have not read the whole thing and made yourself look rather foolish... (assuming you are talking to me here....)

So I think town points go to walrus for staying away from the faust wagon. although at the end (after faust's post that garnished most of our attention) he does say he is willing to vote and hammer him. So maybe that negates the town read from it

That doesn't make Teproc look foolish, that makes you (yuma) appear to be admitting to posting a giant wall of words and reach a "meh."

I am keenly aware you really want us to open up the lynch pool. Finishing my re-read knocked you to the bottom of my scum reads but you could be worried because you and your partner still seem to be in it.

*Or you could be town making sure we explore all options, I know that.

[yuma]

fine. i am done doing rereads... and someone doesn't like me doing them... vote: voltaire. someone else can figure out if mail-mi and teproc are scum...

[Voltaire]

My point, yuma, is not that it's bad of you to post re-reads, but that you seem to be reaching to make sure Teproc can be seen as scummy by the rest of us. And it seems odd for you to call him "foolish" instead of just saying "Actually I addressed this here..."

A small thing, but it fits a pattern.

[yuma]

foolish means foolish... scummy means scummy. when i want to say one i'll say it. I don't think teproc is scummy for not reading my posts carefully, i am annoyed that i have to go back and quote something for him that is obvioulsy there...

[Teproc]

Looking at other instances of Walrus asking for town's opinion, we have this.

If this is hypothetical "theory talk" it sounds pretty concrete to me. What do you mean by "the" BP? Does this strike anyone else as odd?

Not to say my suspicions are completely allayed. That post count shows what I was talking about: Is it not somewhat surprising to see faust top the chart so emphatically like that? I know it's just the beginning of the day, and things will surely stabilize in a couple RL days (I expect my relative post count to drop for example haha), but still it raised an eyebrow from me.

This is a bit less than I remembered to be honest. Still, it's not only the mail-mi thing.

[Voltaire]

So here's a thing. The final D1 vote count.

Eevee(1): Faust
WalrusMcFishSr (1): Eevee
Voltaire(2): EFHW,Walrus
Faust(5): Voltaire, Robz, Yuma, Chairs, Mail-mi

Unless the scum team is Eevee/Walrus (not crazy!) then at least one scum participated in the faust lynch. Not sure what that says though.

Basically I want to make sure we come at this from all angles. Prior to a lynch I want mail-mi's reads (which he's said he'll post tonight) and anything else EFHW wants to say. I have not seen anything to knock me off my "vote for 2 of yuma/Walrus/Eevee" as of right now.

[yuma]

again... how is that any different than what voltaire did?

OK, well then. Anybody else just want to lynch yuma today?

[Teproc]

I do find Voltaire's attitude at the end of day 1 scummy, as I said earlier. So no, it's not really different.

[Voltaire]

again... how is that any different than what voltaire did?

OK, well then. Anybody else just want to lynch yuma today?

Voltaire/Walrus scumteam!

Seriously though, I think "permission asking" is a newbie scum trait that is also present in town. So if you see someone doing it, it should raise their odds of being scum but not be the entire case, if that makes sense. Kinda like yuma's whole "scum doesn't like town reads," which regardless of him being wrong about EFHW and regardless of yuma's alignment, is correct I think.

[Voltaire]

I do find Voltaire's attitude at the end of day 1 scummy, as I said earlier. So no, it's not really different.

What about my attitude was scummy? This may have already been stated, I just don't remember hearing it phrased this way.

[Teproc]

The big thing is staying on Robz while expressing suspicions of pretty much everyone else, yet not voting for him. I noted the fact that you were saying Walrus was scummy during his wagon, yet never seemed to wan to jump on it. All of this isn't helped by the fact that Robz flipped town of course.

The quote yuma posted here is also pretty scummy considering you spent the whole day saying that yuma should never be lynched day 1.

[Teproc]

yet not voting for them*

[Voltaire]

The big thing is staying on Robz while expressing suspicions of pretty much everyone else, yet not voting for him. I noted the fact that you were saying Walrus was scummy during his wagon, yet never seemed to wan to jump on it. All of this isn't helped by the fact that Robz flipped town of course.

The quote yuma posted here is also pretty scummy considering you spent the whole day saying that yuma should never be lynched day 1.

Yeah, and then I kinda snapped. Though I feel much better about it, considering where we are now.

Note also I'm trying to get Walrus lynched today.

Note that if I'm scum, I know Robz is going to flip town if I get him lynched.

[Eevee]

Had to work for a while. Reading what has been posted since I left! Hopefully peeps are still around.

[Eevee]

Voltaire, you are dodging my question.

The case on me, as you put it, is PoE and lurking. Why doesn't that apply to mail-mi?

It does! But you and mail-mi do not have the same metas. Surely you can see this.

All I can see is you dodging the question for.. what, the fifth time? I can't for the life of me understand why you are withholding this information. Let me offer a hypothesis: it's because you are scum and inventing reads, and actually have no reasons. Am I correct?

[Voltaire]

Voltaire, you are dodging my question.

The case on me, as you put it, is PoE and lurking. Why doesn't that apply to mail-mi?

It does! But you and mail-mi do not have the same metas. Surely you can see this.

All I can see is you dodging the question for.. what, the fifth time? I can't for the life of me understand why you are withholding this information. Let me offer a hypothesis: it's because you are scum and inventing reads, and actually have no reasons. Am I correct?

No, not at all! In fact, I can't even understand how I didn't answer your question. I have explained my read on mail-mi many times. Can you try re-phrasing it, on the chance we're both town and talking past each other?

[Eevee]

Teproc laying out my thoughts on Walrus better than I ever could have. Glad someone understood what I meant! Can't help but feel even more strongly about the towniness of Teproc.

[Eevee]

Theoretical mail-mi teams, btw:

Eevee: possible but unlikely. Eevee defends mail-mi in a roundabout way at times, but also would be trying to get me lynched for not suspecting his partner...that would be convoluted but possible, I suppose.

yuma: Totally possible. Don't think there's been any interaction.

Walrus: Unlikely, mail-mi was all over Walrus, right? On the L-1 wagon? *checks* Yes, he was.

So that's two unlikely and one plausible. I'm still fine not voting for mail-mi today.

Finding possible partners for mail-mi should be interesting, as he has been so so so wagon-happy. Might even be one of the most informational lynches?

[Voltaire]

Finding possible partners for mail-mi should be interesting, as he has been so so so wagon-happy. Might even be one of the most informational lynches?

I don't see that at all. For me, it barely confirms anything since I currently think mail-mi is town. My two most "informational" lynches would be you or Walrus - but I'm not lynching just for information.

[Eevee]

I never made any arguments about walrus's jokes being scummy (I don't think I did anyways), I think I even criticized someone (probably mailmi) for that part in their case. I do remember congratulating walrus on one particularly funny one, though!

Generally I disagree with jokingness being a scum tell.

[EFHW]

Can someone on the Voltaire wagon please unvote for the time being? 

[Eevee]

unvote