Thank you Teproc. This is the most coherently I've seen the case on me expressed yet.
By Eevee's case, I mean that on day 1 :
You voted against faust for his theory talk, which you saw as possibly rolefishing. You then unvoted when you realized he had the same plan in another game, but still expressed suspicion on faust. Yuma called you out on that, and you revoted for faust.
This is very scummy in that it seems you care way too much about what town thinks of you. The way Eevee said it, you're trying to please the crowd, which I agreed/agree with.
Well, as I explained, I reflexively took my vote off, then put it back on when I realized I didn't have a better place to put it. I would think that if I were trying to please the crowd and blend in, I wouldn't have revoted, but maybe you disagree.
He also pointed out that you had posts where you were asking for approval for votes : this is the mail-mi thing you're referring to.
Post. I had one post where I did that, so far as I can tell. And even that I think makes it sound worse than it actually was.
He then had this post, which I'm including because you omitted it last time you adressed this :
In a stretch of boredom I actually went ahead and read the first 20 posts of Walrus in MC. He was definitely very jokey like he was here (I've never agreed with finding smileys or humor scummy, I recall that being at least a part of someone's reason for voting for him here though), but I don't see any of the hesitation he is showing here. Just votes with reasons provided, no asking for permissions of validations. I'm happy with my Walrus-vote.
Now his case is :
1) You are trying to please the crowd
2) This is not how you've played as town
This is, I think, a pretty strong case. Not amazing, but strong.
First of all, I think it's a little odd that Eevee went through that effort in a fit of "boredom", just to further a scum read on me. But hey, I'm a new player, so it is understandable he'd want to do some research.
But I think it is a bit silly. This is what, only my third game of Mafia, plus a smattering of other forum games. I'm still establishing a meta, and in particular you wouldn't expect my first game to be indicative of my overall playstyle. And besides, I don't think I've been really acting so differently. Do you think so? Do you even know what acting differently would be for me?
Now what I mean when I say you've changed your attitude is not only that you posted less. It's that you posted less content, and when you did you were very careful not to do these things. You might see this as "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario, and that's fair, but what I'm saying is that the fact that you've stopped doing these things Eevee was talking about does not mean his case in invalid.
Very careful not to do what things exactly? I mean I have posted less, that I freely admit and I do feel bad about. But I don't think you can look at a reduced amount of phone post-y content and conclude that I've been specifically avoiding X or Y.
On day 2, the only thing you've done is continuing your scum read on Voltaire and calling EFHW/Me town vs town. Oh, and asking for Eevee to clarify his case, then suspecting him for not doing so (this is fair).
I feel like we have had a really good day1.
I think we've had the sort of D1 that will lead to a great D2 but high odds for a crappy lynch D1.
This was the quote that stuck out most in my mind from the conclusion of D1. I'll go back and reread more carefully later after work, but I'm gonna vote: Voltaire initially as well.
You're right, my reads have been more focused D2 than D1. I think this is to be expected considering that the body of evidence we have to draw from has grown.
Once she turned out JK, you went all "I told you so"
No counterclaim. See I thought she seemed towny.
Alright, I'm back with a serious post before boring work.
So the last thing I really mentioned is that I found EFHW vs. teproc to be town vs. town. Apparently I was half right about that at least.
Haha, you're right, I was happy about my correct assessment and I was having a bit of fun.
I don't think this case is foolproof in any way. I just think you're one of the most likely to be scum, partly by POE, partly because of Eevee's case, partly because you've been lurking and tunneling on Voltaire day 2, while staying safely out of the EFHW discussion (you didnd't vote for her, but you didn't defend here either, which is a nice place for scum to be).
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Well, I don't think that's exactly fair. I didn't vote for her and I said that the discussion struck me as town vs. town. That counts as a defense so far as I'm concerned. Sure it wasn't a rollicking Atticus Finch defense, but did you really expect one? She was still on the nullish side at that point for me. I ascribed some town points to her behavior...that's all, but it's not as if I just sat on the sidelines.
Teproc makes the sense! Teproc makes the sense.
Ok, seriously, would scum be THAT obvious about buddying me ? This is the 4th time now, after he's been called out for doing that specifically. Sure, he might do this precisely to get me to this conclusion, but it' hasn't been working so far on most of you, so I don't think that's it.
I think it's absolutely something scum!Volt would do. When called out about something, there are a few ways to react. One is to quietly stop doing it. Another is to embrace the behavior, sometimes to the point even of comedic excess. I believe that Voltaire could be pursuing the latter option here.
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