So my other reason behind my faust vote was that I remember him twice saying something about me that basically reflected a scummy read or a scummy vibe... but then later when he posted a reads list I was null and shouldn't be lynched... I think this coincided with people coming out and saying that I wasn't a good lynch option. So my basic thought is that I wonder if faust was trying to move a mislynch in my direction (pointing out things, with a spin like Walrus said, that I had done to get me lynched, but once he saw it wasn't viable, turned it around and ended up with a nuller, town read on me...
Here are the quotes...
#1
Hi all!
Beside the Bulletproof issue, what else can we learn from last game?
1. Don't claim VT randomly. This is bad.
2. Don't derphammer. It is sometimes a fine and useful tool for town, but really, hitting the cop wasn't very ideal last time and I don't expect it to be here.
3. Don't autolynch the derphammer if there is one. Actually analyze whether or not the move--hopefully that move won't come about--was scum or town performing it.
4. Don't lurk
As for the Bulletproof issue. I think if the BP is going to claim, claiming day2 is better than claiming day1. Day2 and beyond is where ICs start to become more powerful and there is always the chance that mafia will shoot the bulletproof townie tonight. I am not convinced that the bulletproof townie should claim at all--I'll leave that up to them--but if they ultimately decide to do so, I would suggest doing it Day2.
And with that, perhaps we can talk about something other than this hypothetical that only has a 1/3 chance of existing in the first place.
I don't like this post. First yuma states some pretty obvious "lessons" from the last game, then does weigh in a little on the BP issue, which is okay in content, but doesn't really lead us anywhere, and ultimately suggests talking about "something else" - but doesn't give any proposal what we should talk about instead. The whole post is a little empty.
Vote: yuma
first post... accuses me of having an empty post (remember this was my first post of the game). It isn't empty. I have already discussed this, but I talk about what I think is pertinent information necessary to make sure we don't screw this up. Because town is certainly capable of screwing things up of late... And he completely ignored my next post (and the next post in the thread) which jumps straight into scum hunting.
So he is trying to spin this post as me not contributing, when I obviously am...
More spin, not about me specifically, but more spin:
#2
Remember, robz cares about his scum games, less so about his town games. Especially true day 1!
More lies!
No lies! The following quote is from the mafia QT of M31:
My challenge is probably going to be finding a blanace. I CANT be too active on Day 1, because basically I just never am. I am way more active on Day 1s when I am scum, because I'm tryin to orchestrate things. As town, I just ignore the game until it gets interesting. So I will probably try to do that again here. Also, I am INCRDIBLY busy for the next few days. But I'm rarely a Day 1 target--I think yuma established that I should basically never ever be killed on Day 1.
Vote: Robz
I am less likely to put in a lot of work on Day 1 as town, yes this is true. I don't care less about winning, as Eevee implied. Furthermore, I'm doing stuff, and usually do some stuff anyway, I just worry that I have a scumtell of being around a lot on Day 1 when scum.
And it seems I am remembering wrong.... hmmm.
So faust's next post is his reads post... #3
5. Yuma - it's just hard for me to read him. But he seems to be a driving force, so I don't want him lynched D1.
which I thought was after the one I am about to post next.
#4
vote: EFHW
Here is what I am seeing.... she is taking a somewhat similar stance to what theorel took in the last game. (not a perfect comparison, but I think comparable enough) Starting here...
Well, this is pretty interesting. It's so early I have no read on Robz. Everything he has I could him doing as either alignment. So I don't feel like lynching him, or defending him. Assuming he would flip town, since that is most likely, what would we have learned about the people voting him? I'm on phone right now, so I'll try to look at that when I'm on a computer.
middle ground stance, stating that robz isn't scummy or townie, but instead more interested in people on the wagon... (same as theorel about sudgy last game)
last game theorel jumped on nkirbit for voting for sudgy. In this game EFHW is instead jumping on eevee for defending robz...
The wagon on Robz.. hmmh. First of all, I don't like the attitude of "not having to do anything to make it disappear". But, would Robz be so bold as mafia? I can't say he is a townread for me, but I'd expect mafia to be less controversial in their wording of the critique for the wagon. Just playing more pro-town would have been an easier path for Robz, for sure.
This doesn't make sense coming from Eevee who has played with Robz countless times and knows he would absolutely say that as scum or town. He could be protecting a scumbuddy or looking for towncred vote: Eevee.
Right now I am deliberating between posting this and holding off to see where it goes. Because right now I anticipate that if the wagon on Robz stays at ~ L-1 for a while EFHW will starting defending Robz more and more (assuming of course that Robz is town, something I am actually thinking more and more likely... again another reason to move my vote just because a derphammer is always a possibility...) in the same way that theorel over time expressed a town read on sudgy after starting null on him... and also pressing more on eevee. So is seeing if that case builds worth giving town my read right now. I think it is generally always better to tell town what a fellow townie is thinking than to hold back ideas so I'll go with it.
This EFHW case seems a little constructed. It's basically this: "EHFW is acting like theorel did in that other game, only not exactly. I think she will do this and that in the future, and that would be scummy."
So EFHW has done something which weakly remsembles theorel's behaviour in M32, and you vote for her for something that she hasn't even done yet. In order for this to not look suspicious, you say "it's always better to tell town what you are thinking" which sounds reasonable but is actually false (see the whole secret case stuff in M31). It seems the reason you posted this now is more that you fear that this whole case is going to fall apart if EFHW doesn't do what you expect her to.
So my thought process was that faust made posts (I'll go back and number them real quick for clarity...) #1 and #4 before he made his reads post #3. And once he saw some discussion about me and not lynching me (Eevee and Robz and voltaire had this conversation) he backed off his mislynch attempt and went elsewhere... but it appears I have the timeline wrong so that narrative doesn't make sense anymore.
I do think he continues to spin in post #4... saying that my post is "constructed" and based off something EFHW will do in the future. That isn't what the case is. The case is about what she has already done and my talking about the future is in regard to see if she will do something to solidify that read (and my concern that talking about it will prevent her from doing that). And the part about M32... was created by scum so is complete bunk...
So the question is: does my idea of faust spinning overcome my mistake in the timeline...
I am not so sure that it does. I think if my timeline had been correct I would feel really good about this narrative, but as it is.... I am not so sure. Spin (as mcmc and I have discussed in the past) is something done I think more by mafia, but certainly as much by town in an effort to get people to attach to the cases and convince themselves and each other that they are correct... (see the opposite of what I am doing here as I doubt this conscious narrative about my doubt is convincing anyone.)
unvote for now.
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