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[Jimmmmm]

Well I guess it's not Gveoniz!

Vote: sudgy

I'll try to get my sudgy re-read done ASAP. Gveo, is there anything else you'd like me to do?

[sudgy]

One reason I voted Jimmmmm:

Coming into the day, both Jimmmmm and I had expressed scumreads on Gveo.  Each of us, as scum, would want to stay there because that would most likely result in a mislynch.  Gveo would want to go to Jimmmmm because Jim had given me a townread and I had given him a nullread.  Gveo did not do what I think scum!Gveoniz would do, and Jim did do what scum!Jimmmmm would do.

Also, now, Gveo is confused town.  Vote Jim, he is 100% scum now.

[sudgy]

Now that I know who's scum I'm trying a lot more...

Anyway, Eevee pushed my lynch quite a bit.  Scum in this setup shouldn't do that, losing a partner is too much to lose.  I think that makes me a lot more likely to be town.  (Yes, I know I just looked up what Voltaire said)

Also, looking back at Clue Mafia (as town), I don't see Jimmmmm making this big of posts about rereads.  And he did quite a bit in RMM7 as scum.  These were very quick looks, I might be wrong about that, but I'm in a hurry.

[Jimmmmm]

Also, looking back at Clue Mafia (as town), I don't see Jimmmmm making this big of posts about rereads.  And he did quite a bit in RMM7 as scum.  These were very quick looks, I might be wrong about that, but I'm in a hurry.

This is cherry picking. In Clue I was so behind with the game that I missed the final deadline. In RMM7 I was involved enough to get MVP.

[Gveoniz]

I actually didn't realize that not hammering means that I am town now...











Don't worry, I am not voting, unless I am the true scum who tries to prolong your suffering.
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Some reread observation:

Jimmmmm lacks significant interaction with Eevee since he simply didn't post enough D1-2 , when eevee was alive. I cannot find anything from it.

Anyway, Eevee pushed my lynch quite a bit.  Scum in this setup shouldn't do that, losing a partner is too much to lose.  I think that makes me a lot more likely to be town.  (Yes, I know I just looked up what Voltaire said)

Eevee did pushed a bit, but he was also on the robz things, then a 2.7 case and then he voted archetype. You are not at the danger of being lynched even when he pushed it.

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jimmmmm, I would like to hear what you say about sudgy as scum apart from the fact that I am town but I am sure that you are doing the reread for this.

[sudgy]

Anyway, Eevee pushed my lynch quite a bit.  Scum in this setup shouldn't do that, losing a partner is too much to lose.  I think that makes me a lot more likely to be town.  (Yes, I know I just looked up what Voltaire said)

Eevee did pushed a bit, but he was also on the robz things, then a 2.7 case and then he voted archetype. You are not at the danger of being lynched even when he pushed it.

But, say a wagon did start on me, which could have happened.  Then he would have been down one scum, and it's hard to win that early with only one scum.  It's way too risky if I was scum, and makes a lot more sense from me being town.

[sudgy]

Gveo, you should probably just vote now, just in case something happens.

[Gveoniz]

Prehaps you are right.
Vote: sudgy

I am not actually 100% sure, but I am doing it now. I am sorry if I missed anything important, this have been a good game.

[Gveoniz]

I am the true scum who tries to prolong your suffering.

[Jimmmmm]

Hey we won!

Unless Gveoniz is scum...?

[Jimmmmm]

I am the true scum who tries to prolong your suffering.

...huh? Damn.

[Jimmmmm]

I must say, I'm glad that I don't have to do any more re-reads here.

[mail-mi]

Flavor later.

Jimmmmm and Eevee, the Ice mafia, win!

i have no idea what gveo is talking about.

[Twistedarcher]

Well done Jimmmmm. We had you figured out in the Spec QT, though!

[Jimmmmm]

Well I didn't really do much for the win, but I'll take it. I feel like this game would have had an unsatisfying result regardless, but maybe that's just multiball. I mean, the fact that the Town never lynched correctly and still came super close to winning with either 0 or 1 correct lynch. That's not really a result that you want from a game point of view. Also, the fact that Town's best option (at least statistically) was to no-lynch makes for a boring game.

Anyway, I'm not saying I wouldn't play multiball again, I just think it has the potential to end up as a boring, unsatisfying game. Maybe we should try a variant in which the two teams know who each other are but can't kill each other? That makes sense from an "informed minority" point of view, plus the lynch is super-important as that's the only way scum will be killed.

[Eevee]

Victory is ours!

[Jimmmmm]

Well done Jimmmmm. We had you figured out in the Spec QT, though!

Well done speccy QT! I hate playing as scum when I don't have the availability to put in the effort I'd like to. This was even worse because I subbed and there's probably still some of this thread I haven't read.

Anyway, here's the Ice Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/t9E2Uc7YHvYux

[Eevee]

[Robz888]

Well I didn't really do much for the win, but I'll take it. I feel like this game would have had an unsatisfying result regardless, but maybe that's just multiball. I mean, the fact that the Town never lynched correctly and still came super close to winning with either 0 or 1 correct lynch. That's not really a result that you want from a game point of view. Also, the fact that Town's best option (at least statistically) was to no-lynch makes for a boring game.

Anyway, I'm not saying I wouldn't play multiball again, I just think it has the potential to end up as a boring, unsatisfying game. Maybe we should try a variant in which the two teams know who each other are but can't kill each other? That makes sense from an "informed minority" point of view, plus the lynch is super-important as that's the only way scum will be killed.

I like that idea, Jimm.

I had no problem with this game, but yeah, it did feel unsatisfying, didn't it? But there's no question that the most deserving faction won, GG guys!

I really thought Gveo was scum, but anyway, we were all 100% convinced sudgy was town, so prepare for some backlash, Gveo! Don't sweat it too much though, everyone has gotten this wrong before.

I don't feel like I played well at all, except for making the decision to kill Eevee. Voltaire nailed me once again. Sigh.

Liopoil I think didn't as well as he could post my death.

[Jimmmmm]

I had no problem with this game, but yeah, it did feel unsatisfying, didn't it? But there's no question that the most deserving faction won, GG guys!

Well I don't think we really deserved to win, but then I don't think Town really deserved to win either.

[Robz888]

I had no problem with this game, but yeah, it did feel unsatisfying, didn't it? But there's no question that the most deserving faction won, GG guys!

Well I don't think we really deserved to win, but then I don't think Town really deserved to win either.

Yah, most deserving, not like objectively deserving I think

[2.71828.....]

I like the idea of the variant. This game did feel a little anticlimactic.

Anyone, good game everyone. I had a great time in my first online mafia game. Even though I was mostly wrong in all my reads and town lost, I still had a great time.

[mail-mi]

Suggestions for MVP?

[ashersky]

Suggestions for MVP?

The setup beat everyone.

Seriously though, jimmmmm for surviving to the end.

[sudgy]

gg everybody, I actually really liked this game.  I haven't had a good old normal mafia game for a while.

And, Gveo, I'm not mad at you.  I first was worrying about who was scum, and right when I realized I realized I was dead anyway.  Everybody makes that mistake.

I also have already had the chance to vent my anger in MXXI where a very similar situation happened