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[Twistedarcher]

Jorbles being roleblocked points strongly towards Faust being mafia. If mafia roleblocked jorbles instead of efhw, it would make sense that Faust is mafia.

[Galzria]

Is this what the mail-mi case was about?

Yes. What Voltgloss didn't want said was that scum could get two kills with one shot. Something that needed to be hidden if Robz was town.

[Twistedarcher]

So, if robz dies, you die? Best case if we lynch robz is 1 scum 1 town dead?

[Twistedarcher]

If jorbles is truly out of shots keeping efhw alive is even more important. I'm actually not against putting almost everyone to 3 votes. With this many people alive, she will 100% want to shoot for mafia.

[Robz888]

Yes. Mail-mi called me as "mentor" the second that galz came out with our claim. I have never heard of mentor before... Mail mi calling it so quickly made me think he was a role cop... Possibly and dangerously a scum one. That was the extent of the mail mi thing.

However, Voltgloss gussed this, directed me to lotr2, where mentor came up about a million times, and thus it wasn't suspicious that mail mi had thought of mentor. I wasn't in lotr2 and didn't follow it, so I didn't know mentor was something generally known to al. Sorry about that, but obviously explaining myself would hav been bad.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 4.1:

Jorbles (1): chairs
Robz888 (1): Galzria

Not Voting (9): Eevee, Robz888, mail-mi, Twistedarcher, EFHW, ahoppy, Dsell, faust, Jorbles

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 4 ends on October 27th at 6:38 p.m. FT.

[Twistedarcher]

With this many mafia alive

[Twistedarcher]

Yes. Mail-mi called me as "mentor" the second that galz came out with our claim. I have never heard of mentor before... Mail mi calling it so quickly made me think he was a role cop... Possibly and dangerously a scum one. That was the extent of the mail mi thing.

However, Voltgloss gussed this, directed me to lotr2, where mentor came up about a million times, and thus it wasn't suspicious that mail mi had thought of mentor. I wasn't in lotr2 and didn't follow it, so I didn't know mentor was something generally known to al. Sorry about that, but obviously explaining myself would hav been bad.

Didn't galz mod lotr2 though, so this shouldn't have been suspicious to you two?

[Robz888]

He was probably roleblocked.

I'm going to either single handedly lose town the game here, or put us back in it:

Robz has claimed to be a Mentor. Voltgloss knew this. He knew that it means that I die if Robz dies. This has been a really tough situation because if Robz is town, game over when scum kills him.

.... But... I can't believe scum hasn't figured this out yet. And yet he lives. Further, he doesn't have his own personal night kill - something that's granted to both town Mentors and Third Party Mentors but NOT mafia Mentors.

The combination of this all leaves me thinking (hoping) that he's scum. Because if he's not then I really don't understand anything at this point.

So.... I need to vote: Robz. And if this costs town the game, I'm sorry. But I can't bank on him being town in the face of everything else.

Well then we lose, and it's entirely on you.

[Robz888]

Yes. Mail-mi called me as "mentor" the second that galz came out with our claim. I have never heard of mentor before... Mail mi calling it so quickly made me think he was a role cop... Possibly and dangerously a scum one. That was the extent of the mail mi thing.

However, Voltgloss gussed this, directed me to lotr2, where mentor came up about a million times, and thus it wasn't suspicious that mail mi had thought of mentor. I wasn't in lotr2 and didn't follow it, so I didn't know mentor was something generally known to al. Sorry about that, but obviously explaining myself would hav been bad.

Didn't galz mod lotr2 though, so this shouldn't have been suspicious to you two?

? He agreed with my mail mi when I presented it. I don't remember if he mentioned modding. If he did, it certai ly didn't deter his faith in the case.

[Twistedarcher]

Yes. Mail-mi called me as "mentor" the second that galz came out with our claim. I have never heard of mentor before... Mail mi calling it so quickly made me think he was a role cop... Possibly and dangerously a scum one. That was the extent of the mail mi thing.

However, Voltgloss gussed this, directed me to lotr2, where mentor came up about a million times, and thus it wasn't suspicious that mail mi had thought of mentor. I wasn't in lotr2 and didn't follow it, so I didn't know mentor was something generally known to al. Sorry about that, but obviously explaining myself would hav been bad.

Didn't galz mod lotr2 though, so this shouldn't have been suspicious to you two?

? He agreed with my mail mi when I presented it. I don't remember if he mentioned modding. If he did, it certai ly didn't deter his faith in the case.

I thought the timeline was that mail-mi did something suspicious, then Voltgloss redirected you to LOTR2, then you found out it was no longer suspicious due to LOTR2. Right? Is this correct?

[Galzria]

Yes. Mail-mi called me as "mentor" the second that galz came out with our claim. I have never heard of mentor before... Mail mi calling it so quickly made me think he was a role cop... Possibly and dangerously a scum one. That was the extent of the mail mi thing.

However, Voltgloss gussed this, directed me to lotr2, where mentor came up about a million times, and thus it wasn't suspicious that mail mi had thought of mentor. I wasn't in lotr2 and didn't follow it, so I didn't know mentor was something generally known to al. Sorry about that, but obviously explaining myself would hav been bad.

Didn't galz mod lotr2 though, so this shouldn't have been suspicious to you two?

? He agreed with my mail mi when I presented it. I don't remember if he mentioned modding. If he did, it certai ly didn't deter his faith in the case.

I thought the timeline was that mail-mi did something suspicious, then Voltgloss redirected you to LOTR2, then you found out it was no longer suspicious due to LOTR2. Right? Is this correct?

I modded it insofar as I did a lot of setup balancing and work with Ashersky. He was primary mod though, and thus followed it much closer. I skimmed it and ran just a handful of vote counts.

[Galzria]

He was probably roleblocked.

I'm going to either single handedly lose town the game here, or put us back in it:

Robz has claimed to be a Mentor. Voltgloss knew this. He knew that it means that I die if Robz dies. This has been a really tough situation because if Robz is town, game over when scum kills him.

.... But... I can't believe scum hasn't figured this out yet. And yet he lives. Further, he doesn't have his own personal night kill - something that's granted to both town Mentors and Third Party Mentors but NOT mafia Mentors.

The combination of this all leaves me thinking (hoping) that he's scum. Because if he's not then I really don't understand anything at this point.

So.... I need to vote: Robz. And if this costs town the game, I'm sorry. But I can't bank on him being town in the face of everything else.

Well then we lose, and it's entirely on you.

That may be true. But I would rather lose that way, then lose to you being scum... and at this point there's just too much pointing towards you being scum. If you're not... yeah, then it's probably my fault.

[Robz888]

Yes. Mail-mi called me as "mentor" the second that galz came out with our claim. I have never heard of mentor before... Mail mi calling it so quickly made me think he was a role cop... Possibly and dangerously a scum one. That was the extent of the mail mi thing.

However, Voltgloss gussed this, directed me to lotr2, where mentor came up about a million times, and thus it wasn't suspicious that mail mi had thought of mentor. I wasn't in lotr2 and didn't follow it, so I didn't know mentor was something generally known to al. Sorry about that, but obviously explaining myself would hav been bad.

Didn't galz mod lotr2 though, so this shouldn't have been suspicious to you two?

? He agreed with my mail mi when I presented it. I don't remember if he mentioned modding. If he did, it certai ly didn't deter his faith in the case.

I thought the timeline was that mail-mi did something suspicious, then Voltgloss redirected you to LOTR2, then you found out it was no longer suspicious due to LOTR2. Right? Is this correct?

The timeline is this:

Galz says "we should say that we have this neighbor qt going on."

I say sure.

He explains this in thread.

Mail mi says: "mentor?"

I get very suspicious. How does mail mi know that? I explain my suspicions to Galz. He agrees, and we say we have a secret case on mail mi.

Voltgloss guesses it, and tells me to check out lotr2.

Lotr2 explains why mail mi would immediately think mentor.

[Robz888]

And then I confer with galz who agrees the case is null.

[Twistedarcher]

OP says deadlines are ten days, yet ours is only seven. Which is it?

[ashersky]

OP says deadlines are ten days, yet ours is only seven. Which is it?

Seven.  Mods decided ten was too long.  I'll fix the OP.

[Robz888]

Hmm.

So, Galz immediately and readily agrees with me that mail-mi is scummy off of him being alerted to the mentor thing. When I tell him that I searched LOTR2 per VOlt's recommendation, he mentions co-modding LOTR2 and says he doesn't remember that.

I know from doing Control+F search of LOTR2 that the word "mentor" came up a million times.

I didnt think of it at the time that this was strange, that Galz didn't notice.

[Robz888]

Also:

Jorbles, explanation, if you think that's wise?

Chairs, anything?

Mail-mi, what did you do?

I'm not willing to believe that there is a town roleblocker AND a scum roleblocker.

[Robz888]

Galz, your whole case on me is that A) I got a weird role, and B) have lived a long time

A) Sure, what can I do about it?

B) Scum probably don't want to kill off me, or me + you if they guessed our deal. They need to eliminate cops and ICs. You and I are two prime suspects.

I mean, you're blowing this game because you'd rather lose than get beaten by me. I'm not making this up--Galz has admitted it multiple times already in our QT!

[Twistedarcher]

Ok, that's what I mostly thought on the timeline.

Galz, are you saying that you never read the mentor/mentee argument in LOTR?

Also, why now to bring up this case?

[Robz888]

Also, why now to bring up this case?

To be fair to Galz, this is not out of the blue whatsoever. He's been privately voicing his suspicions since yesterday.

[Twistedarcher]

If Robz/Galz are both town, that means that scum are Mail-mi, Chairs, Dsell, Faust (or, for anyone else, 4 out of those four + me). While I wouldn't be surprised to have 3/4 of those players be scum, I would be surprised if it was 4/4.

Galz, are you so sure that Robz is scum that it's worth killing you to kill him?

[Robz888]

But since there based on things entirely out of my control, I have no way to dissuade him from them. I don't even think they are likely scum-motivated, although the thing TA asked about with LOTR2 is a little fishy.

[Twistedarcher]

But since there based on things entirely out of my control, I have no way to dissuade him from them. I don't even think they are likely scum-motivated, although the thing TA asked about with LOTR2 is a little fishy.

You think Galz is town?