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[Voltgloss]

TA, when did you realize Jorbles was Cam?

I realized D1 with Liopoil's Jester thing. Jester = Clown = Cameron

Can someone more versed in Modern Family confirm how reasonable a conclusion this is to draw?

[Robz888]

TA, when did you realize Jorbles was Cam?

I realized D1 with Liopoil's Jester thing. Jester = Clown = Cameron

Can someone more versed in Modern Family confirm how reasonable a conclusion this is to draw?

[Robz888]

That's Jorbles character. So pretty reasonable.

[Jorbles]

Cam thinks he's a hilarious clown even though nobody agrees with him. I thought the jester thing was a pretty reasonable 2ndary win condition.

[Jorbles]

I had assumed that TA was Mitchell from previous posts regarding flavour. There is no indication in my flavour that I am TA's Bodyguard, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

I still don't see a problem with following the plan as is, given TAs claim. It would slow the game down in term of NKs, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I can see why Dsell may not have claimed for multiple reasons, I think it's worth it for him not to claim to hide what those reasons are for now.

PPE: 6, I see Dsell hiding his role is now moot.

Edit: I was originally thinking about tying in some thoughts about EFHW being lynched, which is what the strike-throughed sentence is referring to. Clearly I need to self edit more. I do think EFHW should be a strong consideration as the lynch if we don't go through with the plan.

[Dsell]

I have no information that clears or condemns any living player.

[Robz888]

I have no information that clears or condemns any living player.

So YOU say. But like, are you sure you don't have anything that like would clue us in at all? You are really, really sure? I ask because some people who are ostensibly town PRs have vastly misunderstood matters based on their powers.

[Dsell]

I have no information that clears or condemns any living player.

So YOU say. But like, are you sure you don't have anything that like would clue us in at all? You are really, really sure? I ask because some people who are ostensibly town PRs have vastly misunderstood matters based on their powers.

Quite sure.

[Galzria]

Is Sudgy still here or V/LA?

Voltgloss, who did Sudgy claim to target N1? Did he claim to send names N2?

Dsell, don't just think about the results you have, compare them with what's been claimed very careful to consider ANY possible discrepancies.

[Twistedarcher]

Is Sudgy still here or V/LA?

Voltgloss, who did Sudgy claim to target N1? Did he claim to send names N2?

Dsell, don't just think about the results you have, compare them with what's been claimed very careful to consider ANY possible discrepancies.

Sudgy, Voltgloss, and someone else. I can't remember the third off the top of my head. Galzria maybe?

[Jorbles]

Dsell, don't just think about the results you have, compare them with what's been claimed very careful to consider ANY possible discrepancies.

It is possible that Dsell could be a role other than a Watcher or Tracker and have a reason to not claim. It is also possible that he is a watching-y role, but has no information on players that is not already known to be true. I'd trust Dsell to know what's best given that he knows his own role, and we don't. (At least until tomorrow when I think he'll be under a lot more scrutiny)

[Twistedarcher]

Sudgy's 3 targets he sent N1 were Sudgy, Voltgloss, Robz

[Galzria]

Dsell, don't just think about the results you have, compare them with what's been claimed very careful to consider ANY possible discrepancies.

It is possible that Dsell could be a role other than a Watcher or Tracker and have a reason to not claim. It is also possible that he is a watching-y role, but has no information on players that is not already known to be true. I'd trust Dsell to know what's best given that he knows his own role, and we don't. (At least until tomorrow when I think he'll be under a lot more scrutiny)

And I would trust faust not to hammer away his own Jailkeeper Role.
And I would trust Chairs to play his role in a way that actually helps town.

What's your point? At this point we've had ridiculously bad town play, or scum play that's getting passed off as ridiculously bad town play. At this point I really don't trust much of anything or anyone to play their role to it's greatest ability - especially when that someone (Dsell) was so absent D1/D2.

[Galzria]

To conclude the point, I would rather make sure he's taking the time to evaluate all information that's been presented in relation to whatever his role may be, instead of trusting that he's just going off whatever results he may have.

[Jorbles]

Dsell, don't just think about the results you have, compare them with what's been claimed very careful to consider ANY possible discrepancies.

It is possible that Dsell could be a role other than a Watcher or Tracker and have a reason to not claim. It is also possible that he is a watching-y role, but has no information on players that is not already known to be true. I'd trust Dsell to know what's best given that he knows his own role, and we don't. (At least until tomorrow when I think he'll be under a lot more scrutiny)

And I would trust faust not to hammer away his own Jailkeeper Role.
And I would trust Chairs to play his role in a way that actually helps town.

What's your point? At this point we've had ridiculously bad town play, or scum play that's getting passed off as ridiculously bad town play. At this point I really don't trust much of anything or anyone to play their role to it's greatest ability - especially when that someone (Dsell) was so absent D1/D2.

Fair enough, I just wanted to make sure you were considering it. I'm not going to be stressed if Dsell doesn't full claim at this point though.

[Twistedarcher]

So basically, you want Dsell to fullclaim?

[Galzria]

So basically, you want Dsell to fullclaim?

No, not at all. I want him to consider everything that's been claimed in relation to whatever results he has for whatever his role may be, instead of just relying on, say, a "no result" result.

[Voltgloss]

A "no result" result may BE a key result, if it indicates, say, that Dsell was roleblocked. 

[Dsell]

Man, I have played mafia once or twice before.

[Robz888]

Man, I have played mafia once or twice before.

Look this isn't meant to be insulting to you, this is a confusing game and we've all missed stuff. I've missed stuff that Galz has later pointed out to me in our qt, and I've proposed some things to him that he hadn't thought of yet. And has he noted, we have more than one player already playing very sub optimal as town. There's a lot t stake here. All we are saying is think really hard about all the possible implications of any result you may have.

[Galzria]

Man, I have played mafia once or twice before.

Yes, but you've also made clear that you haven't always been paying as close attention as you should be to this game.

[Galzria]

Man, I have played mafia once or twice before.

Look this isn't meant to be insulting to you, this is a confusing game and we've all missed stuff. I've missed stuff that Galz has later pointed out to me in our qt, and I've proposed some things to him that he hadn't thought of yet. And has he noted, we have more than one player already playing very sub optimal as town. There's a lot t stake here. All we are saying is think really hard about all the possible implications of any result you may have.

As Robz says, it's more a "just make sure" than a "I expect him to mess it up". Missing something for whatever reason could be the difference between a town win and a town loss at this point.

[Dsell]

All we are saying is think really hard about all the possible implications of any result you may have.

I am saying that I believe I am doing all necessary due diligence for whatever role I may or may not have, and while encouraging me to be thorough is great, in the end you simply have to trust me (or lynch me and trust me), because I will not claim or reveal more than I deem necessary at the time.

Man, I have played mafia once or twice before.

Yes, but you've also made clear that you haven't always been paying as close attention as you should be to this game.

This was true day 2, but this game has my attention now and I know what's at stake.

[Galzria]

Nobody has asked, implied or suggested that you should claim anything.

[Dsell]

Nobody has asked, implied or suggested that you should claim anything.

I am just trying to reassure people while simultaneously reasserting that I will not claim. Because I am feeling the pressure (not to claim, just to not screw anything up).