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[Galzria]

Ok, that's what I mostly thought on the timeline.

Galz, are you saying that you never read the mentor/mentee argument in LOTR?

Also, why now to bring up this case?

There was constant chatter of third party shenanigans. Mentor was just one of many, and no, it didn't stick out to me.

I considered bringing it up yesterday. I brought it up to Voltgloss and he waffled on it too. It's why he was so certain I was town though. Because this does absolutely nothing for me if I'm scum. If I'm scum and Robz is town, this kills me.

Why now when I didn't yesterday? Because we've seen three town deaths between then, and as I asked yesterday when deciding not to say anything: If I don't do it now, when and how does Robz die? He simply doesn't.

[Twistedarcher]

I think that if we do lynch Robz, we are guaranteed to kill a mafia. The problem is, lynching Robz is also a guarantee of killing a town member. I really do doubt that they are both town, but I also doubt they're both scum. (Although it would be a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant gambit if they've been lying about having a QT this entire time).

[Robz888]

But since there based on things entirely out of my control, I have no way to dissuade him from them. I don't even think they are likely scum-motivated, although the thing TA asked about with LOTR2 is a little fishy.

You think Galz is town?

I think so, but that's based almost entirely on our QT, where he has consistently advocated the thing most likely to get us both killed. And now, he actually is advocating that. So I don't see any reason for him to be scum. Do you?

[Robz888]

I think that if we do lynch Robz, we are guaranteed to kill a mafia. The problem is, lynching Robz is also a guarantee of killing a town member. I really do doubt that they are both town, but I also doubt they're both scum. (Although it would be a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant gambit if they've been lying about having a QT this entire time).

I see why YOU would think that, if you are town. If you are town, and Galz and me are town (ugh, this will be a horrible, horrible loss), ALL the other suspects would have to be scum.

I think lynching me is one of the least likely lynches to yield a mafia kill, because Galz is my top townread, after myself and Jorbles.

[Twistedarcher]

But since there based on things entirely out of my control, I have no way to dissuade him from them. I don't even think they are likely scum-motivated, although the thing TA asked about with LOTR2 is a little fishy.

You think Galz is town?

I think so, but that's based almost entirely on our QT, where he has consistently advocated the thing most likely to get us both killed. And now, he actually is advocating that. So I don't see any reason for him to be scum. Do you?

I have my suspicions, yes. To me, him being mafia is just as good an explanation for scum not shooting you as you being mafia is. I would guess one of you is definitely mafia.

[Twistedarcher]

I know we have been treating Jorbles as an IC, but is there any scenario where he actually is mafia?

[Galzria]

I know we have been treating Jorbles as an IC, but is there any scenario where he actually is mafia?

I presented multiple yesterday.

[Twistedarcher]

I know we have been treating Jorbles as an IC, but is there any scenario where he actually is mafia?

I presented multiple yesterday.

I must have missed them / forgotten them among the thousands of posts. I will look back now for them

[Galzria]

I know we have been treating Jorbles as an IC, but is there any scenario where he actually is mafia?

I presented multiple yesterday.

Scratch that, I presented one. My second scenario was that Jorbles is town.

I still think that he's more likely to be town, and that he was Roleblocked last night (which would make faust likely to be mafia).

My best plan for today would be to run Robz up to 3, then lynch faust. Mafia can't roleblock both EFHW and Jorbles, which would leave them free to shoot Robz tonight, killing us both.

I agree with Robz that I doubt that there's a scum and a town Roleblocker in the setup however, so I suspect that Mail-Mi Roleblocked Jorbles last night.

[mail-mi]

I did nothing last night. Where did jorbles' kill go? I think I'll vote: Faust. any mafia roleblocker could have been scared that a partner was getting killed.

CHAIRS: WHO DID YOU INVESTIGATE?

[Twistedarcher]

I was thinking that it may be wiser to have EFHW shoot Robz/Galz than to lynch today.

We should definitely wait to hear from Jorbles, though. And Chairs. And Dsell. Once everyone has checked in, we can proceed.

7 days is a really short deadline, though, so we can't take too long. I'm kinda wanting to wait to hear from Chairs if he has a result (I am guessing no, since he's posted today, but seriously why not post your innocent result then?) and Jorbles for if he really was roleblocked.

[Twistedarcher]

My initial thought when Jorbles claimed was that he only had 2 compulsive shots. It makes complete sense with the game setup, in that it starts at 21, and then becomes a "normal" game with normal deadlines on d3, after Jorbles has thinned the crowd a bit. I'd guess that's it, but if he claims he tried to shoot, then I am going to be looking right at Faust.

Mail-mi, you still have your roleblock left, correct?

[Robz888]

Well we have to know if Jorbles even shot, and what chairs did.

[Galzria]

I don't know. The more I think about it the more I think faust is likely to be town that was setup by scum because it was easy. If Jorbles shot I would MUCH rather lynch Mail-Mi, who almost certainly blocked him (to whatever end regarding faust, we can't know).

[Twistedarcher]

Why do you guys think there can't be both a scum and town roleblocker?

[ashersky]

Vote Count 4.2:

Jorbles (1): chairs
Robz888 (1): Galzria
faust (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (8): Eevee, Robz888, Twistedarcher, EFHW, ahoppy, Dsell, faust, Jorbles

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 4 ends on October 27th at 6:38 p.m. FT.

[EFHW]

The thing about the mentor situation was once mail-mi got a chance to post there was no point in quick-lynching him.  If he had been rolecop like you thought, all he had to do was say in thread "robz is a mentor" or "oh, you mean that mentor thing?  I was just guessing", etc, to get the info to his scumbuddies.  It was easy enough to see what you were panicked about just by rereading mail-mi, and I'm wondering if this alarm/secrecy thing may have been a charade, but to what end I'm not sure.  Sounding the alarm was not the best approach, -- even if you had managed to lynch mail-mi before he said anything, the issue was out there for anyone to figure out.  So  I'm surprised Robz and Galzria went that route.

It's true that mentors are supposed to have a kill.  But the mods haven't been going by the book here.  sudgy lost his power when he lost his captain, and that's different from the wiki, too.

[Robz888]

Why do you guys think there can't be both a scum and town roleblocker?

I just don't. Seriously, I really don't think ash and yuma would decide to duplicate a role, isnetad of coming up with something new.

[Robz888]

Seriously, everyone should unvote. Everyone who is voting is playing against town right now. Votes are not meaningless! Votes are how we control our pet SK. And we can't know what we want to do with her until we have heard from everyone.

[Robz888]

The thing about the mentor situation was once mail-mi got a chance to post there was no point in quick-lynching him. If he had been rolecop like you thought, all he had to do was say in thread "robz is a mentor" or "oh, you mean that mentor thing?  I was just guessing", etc, to get the info to his scumbuddies. It was easy enough to see what you were panicked about just by rereading mail-mi, and I'm wondering if this alarm/secrecy thing may have been a charade, but to what end I'm not sure.  Sounding the alarm was not the best approach, -- even if you had managed to lynch mail-mi before he said anything, the issue was out there for anyone to figure out.  So  I'm surprised Robz and Galzria went that route.

It's true that mentors are supposed to have a kill.  But the mods haven't been going by the book here.  sudgy lost his power when he lost his captain, and that's different from the wiki, too.

Bolded above, I did think of this. I thought mail-mi, if he believed he was getting lynched, would squeal to his mates. That was part of the reason to drum him up to L-1 and make him truly afraid.

On your later part, thank you! Yes.

[Galzria]

The thing about the mentor situation was once mail-mi got a chance to post there was no point in quick-lynching him.  If he had been rolecop like you thought, all he had to do was say in thread "robz is a mentor" or "oh, you mean that mentor thing?  I was just guessing", etc, to get the info to his scumbuddies.  It was easy enough to see what you were panicked about just by rereading mail-mi, and I'm wondering if this alarm/secrecy thing may have been a charade, but to what end I'm not sure.  Sounding the alarm was not the best approach, -- even if you had managed to lynch mail-mi before he said anything, the issue was out there for anyone to figure out.  So  I'm surprised Robz and Galzria went that route.

It's true that mentors are supposed to have a kill.  But the mods haven't been going by the book here.  sudgy lost his power when he lost his captain, and that's different from the wiki, too.

Robz didn't actually want to quick lynch him. At the time, he posted in our QT that he simply wanted Mail-Mi the feel like we were serious about doing it, or else he was never going to speak up and give away his game if he was in fact a scum Rolecop. He had to feel the threat was real.

[EFHW]

Robz I'm interested in your response to my post.

[Jorbles]

What happened? Are you out of shots, jorbles?

Yeah, I'm out of shots. I was hoping to draw the night kill. It's possible I still drew scum roleblocks, but I can't verify that I did.

[EFHW]

so you weren't trying to keep it quiet about the mentor thing, you were just trying to out mail-mi as scum?  But didn't that put you in unnecessary danger?  You could have found another way to get him lynched. 

[Robz888]

Robz I'm interested in your response to my post.

I gave my response! I didn't actually think we could kill mail-mi without him giving up the mentor thing. Rather, I thought he would give up the mentor thing if threatrneed, thus guaranteeing that we were killing scum.