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[ashersky]

ash, in as few words as possible rather than a 9000 word post, why did you change your mind from PoEing me to raerae?

2 parts to this.  Why I abandoned my POE thinking: it was, in the end, based on a scum post.  We can't trust any of it, in the end, and we've been burned before.  I was letting it overturn my reads, and that was bad.  As others pointed out, I had a town read on you.  My full reread of you confirmed it, and pointed out firm pro-town moves you don't make as scum.  I trusted my gut and the facts over scum wifom.

On raerae, she was mostly not memorable this game, but my reread put it in perspective.  Knowing one of you two had to be scum, no way it isn't her.  It is clear.

[ashersky]

SO I've finished a reasonably thorough re-read on ash, which became more of full re-read as the game became quicker and more interesting.

Something I know for sure: if ash is scum and I get this wrong, I will be very annoyed. Also, TA and likely others will have cause to be annoyed with me, because man it's all there. ash has, in my mind, played a very anti-Town game. No offense. I know you agree in part. Opposing and confusing a good Hider plan, advocating lynching our PR even without a counterclaim, opposing the clear choice of a no-lynch. The problem is, this ash, the ash who I spend all game wanting to policy vote turns out to be Town with frustrating frequency.

I'll admit I haven't re-read raerae (say that 7 times fast) yet, but I must say she hasn't been particularly memorable this game. As ash has pointed out, I tend to remember Town raerae.

Jimmmm, two things here, too.  First, the oft-quoted: anti-town =/= scum.  You know that, though.

More importantly, when it comes to me, I am often accused of being anti-town, but you know I always play with what I believe to be town's best interests in mind.  I may disagree with the majority, but I don't roll over.  I stick to my guns, even if it paints me as scummy.  I was wrong about TA.  Haven't been so sure since yuma's last game, where I went head-to-head with Voltgloss, got mislynched, and then it turned out he was town, too.

The raerae reread won't take as long as you think.  Looking forward to your thoughts.

[raerae]

Jeez, ash, take buddy lessons from Eevee or what?

Jimmmmm, ash is parroting everything you say.  I was memorable enough for a vote just a day or two ago but suddenly he can't remember anything?  On top of that, his "case" is entirely based on one interaction SIX days ago.  Anything he's scraped together since then has been so stretched and manipulated it's difficult to tell where it even started. 

Seriously, just do what the crazy man says and reread my D1 but pay special attention to the part that ash hasn't mentioned: the day end wagons.  For me to be scum the entire team would have had to have been on one wagon.  The wagons were both on town so scum would have had to have split themselves.  Scum absolutely need to differentiate themselves to live so it doesn't make sense for all of them to be fighting for the same wagon D1.

Ash is doing to me exactly what he did TA.  He's taking every single post and twisting and turning and changing punctuation until it fits his scum narrative of me.  I can tear the rest of his BS case to shreds if you want but I've done that before in a similar situation (newbie game) and it did not benefit town.  This is your call so take your time and ask your questions but I'm not going to flood you.

[ashersky]

Jeez, ash, take buddy lessons from Eevee or what?

Jimmmmm, ash is parroting everything you say.  I was memorable enough for a vote just a day or two ago but suddenly he can't remember anything?  On top of that, his "case" is entirely based on one interaction SIX days ago.  Anything he's scraped together since then has been so stretched and manipulated it's difficult to tell where it even started. 

Seriously, just do what the crazy man says and reread my D1 but pay special attention to the part that ash hasn't mentioned: the day end wagons.  For me to be scum the entire team would have had to have been on one wagon.  The wagons were both on town so scum would have had to have split themselves.  Scum absolutely need to differentiate themselves to live so it doesn't make sense for all of them to be fighting for the same wagon D1.

Ash is doing to me exactly what he did TA.  He's taking every single post and twisting and turning and changing punctuation until it fits his scum narrative of me.  I can tear the rest of his BS case to shreds if you want but I've done that before in a similar situation (newbie game) and it did not benefit town.  This is your call so take your time and ask your questions but I'm not going to flood you.

I'd like to see you do this.  Put work in for the first time, lurker scum.

[ashersky]

Jimmmmm, ash is parroting everything you say.  I was memorable enough for a vote just a day or two ago but suddenly he can't remember anything?  On top of that, his "case" is entirely based on one interaction SIX days ago.  Anything he's scraped together since then has been so stretched and manipulated it's difficult to tell where it even started. 

What can't I remember?  I did a full re-read of you, pointed out the scummy and the towny.  It's a few pages back, if you want to go read it.

[ashersky]

This is your call so take your time and ask your questions but I'm not going to flood you.

Translation: I'll keep lurking and being unmemorable, but my excuse is I don't want to "flood you."


Remember, Jimmmmm said town!raerae is memorable.  The fact that you are not memorable to him isn't my doing.

[ashersky]

Seriously, just do what the crazy man says and reread my D1 but pay special attention to the part that ash hasn't mentioned: the day end wagons.  For me to be scum the entire team would have had to have been on one wagon.  The wagons were both on town so scum would have had to have split themselves.  Scum absolutely need to differentiate themselves to live so it doesn't make sense for all of them to be fighting for the same wagon D1.

The day end wagon?  Piling on one wagon is a great scum tactic, so that at the end of the game, you can point to the wagon and go "look! I'm on the same wagon with the flipped scum, can't be me!"

Why did scum "need to differentiate themselves to live"?  Why are you thinking like scum?  Oh right, because you are.

[raerae]

Ash, just stop.  I'm not going to try to coerce anybody to do anything by constantly spamming the thread until the mere thought of reading another post of mine forces a vote.  I think we're done, you and I, I'm only going to talk to Jimmmmm going forward.  You keep on working on that spin magic of yours though.  I'm sure it'll work out for you sometime soon.

[ashersky]

Ash, just stop.  I'm not going to try to coerce anybody to do anything by constantly spamming the thread until the mere thought of reading another post of mine forces a vote.  I think we're done, you and I, I'm only going to talk to Jimmmmm going forward.  You keep on working on that spin magic of yours though.  I'm sure it'll work out for you sometime soon.

If you were town, no way you'd back down.  Where's the raerae fire?  Worried you'll slip?

[ashersky]

I'm willing to fight for this because I do not want to lose.  We had a great town showing in Harry Potter; I want a great town comeback win here.

My streak of being the game-ending town mislynch needs to end.  It's been a long while since it's happened, and I don't want it to start again now.

[ashersky]

Jimmmmm?

[yuma]

Vote Count 7.3

<insert flavor>

ashersky: (1) raerae
raerae: (1) ashersky

Not voting: (1) Jimmmmm

With three alive it takes two to lynch.

Deadline for Day7 is August 21, 2013 at 6 pm forum time. That is in ~ 9 hours.

[ashersky]

Jimmmmm, if you don't vote and this hits deadline, scum wins.  That is unacceptable man.

[ashersky]

That's in an hour and a half, or 8 a.m. Australia time.

[ashersky]

Can we get a prod on Jimmmmm?

[ashersky]

If we lose this game because Jimmmmm sleeps in and never got around to voting....not going to be happy.

[ashersky]

Would you allow an extension if both of us agreed?

(Not that raerae would agree.  She wins in an hour.)

[ashersky]

Twistedarcher--we may be supplanted as co-LVPs here by Jimmmmm if we actually lose this not due to a mislynch at lylo but no lynch at lylo.

I didn't think there was anything worse than being mislynched to lose the game.  Deadlining out in 35 mins is worse.

[ashersky]

This is why I was posting and pushing today and raerae kept slow rolling and NOT posting cases or answers or anything.

[ashersky]

I don't think jimmmmm gets up this early here.  He's in uni, right?  Not a job?  Probably sleeping in...

[ashersky]

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[yuma]

Would you allow an extension if both of us agreed?

(Not that raerae would agree.  She wins in an hour.)

I will extend to 6:30 pm forum time (~45 minutes from now), since that is technically when day began. So that gives an extra 30 minutes. I don't think I would consider an extension.

[ashersky]

Would you allow an extension if both of us agreed?

(Not that raerae would agree.  She wins in an hour.)

I will extend to 6:30 pm forum time (~45 minutes from now), since that is technically when day began. So that gives an extra 30 minutes. I don't think I would consider an extension.

As a mod, from an objective perspective, no extension is the right call.

As town, from my perspective, we are fucked.

[yuma]

Would you allow an extension if both of us agreed?

(Not that raerae would agree.  She wins in an hour.)

I will extend to 6:30 pm forum time (~45 minutes from now), since that is technically when day began. So that gives an extra 30 minutes. I don't think I would consider an extension.

And again, to be exact I am going to say 6:24 pm forum time (~ 15 minutes from now). As that is truly the exact time that day7 began. Sorry for the two clarifications

[ashersky]

Would you allow an extension if both of us agreed?

(Not that raerae would agree.  She wins in an hour.)

I will extend to 6:30 pm forum time (~45 minutes from now), since that is technically when day began. So that gives an extra 30 minutes. I don't think I would consider an extension.

And again, to be exact I am going to say 6:24 pm forum time (~ 15 minutes from now). As that is truly the exact time that day7 began. Sorry for the two clarifications

At least you are here...