some comments on this:
- I don't think I ever said that leading was scummy. Leading itself isn't scummy, it is scummy in my opinion when it is towards a specific goal with a clear objective in mind. Right out of the gates lio had a game plan and I think scum more often than not has a game plan whereas town... not so much because they don't have a QT or buddies to talk things through with and make one.
- stopping PR discussion is null. You can't give out town points for it. Scum will say it, town will say it. I am glad it was said, but I don't give any credit to lio at all for being the first to say it....
- policy votes are rarely ever pro-town. I can't think of any policy vote that turned into a lynch. In the long run? I don't care about the long run... Sorry, but I don't. I want to win this game. I don't know how much longer I will be playing mafia and ultimately this game matters more than the next 10! Because I am in this game, I don't know if I will be in the next one.
- my analysis of day1 wasn't meant to stand alone. I didn't do the reread that way. I just went back and saw if lio's play in day1 matched up with what I thought scum might do. And it did. But most of my stuff that I am suspicious about him is day2 stuff. If I had gone back and was like !!!Wow! lio was really pro-town day1, then that would negate my stuff from day2 a bit. But I didn't. I found him on the slightlier scummy side from day1. combine that with day2 stuff and you have my case.
- two points in one. The fact that nkiribit was town and did the same things as lio doesn't make me see lio as townie. No, the opposite. Because I have had from my own experience seen how scum mimics town in their reads and behavior. So if one player is town for doing somethign and another player is doign something almost exactly the same, I wonder is that player scum? Are they shadowing, mimicing, replicating behavior by town that they know to be town to seem more town? So that he was the same as nkiribit doesn't necessarily make him more townie, nor that he had similar reads to you (who I think is more townie than lio).
One last thing that I forgot to mention when lio used the following quote:
I think it make spiritbears look really scummy because of his flip on nkirbit. Seems like scum who was like "I'm gonna be off-wagon, this'll be awesome!" then, "oh no, this mislynch might not go through without me. I really just want to get to night and mislynch townies, so I'll "change my mind"".
It also makes whoever was the alternative wagon(s) look bad. So that's Yuma, and maybe mail-mi/chairs right?
it isn't exact, but again it is similar to something eevee and ash and I did in mean girls. There we basically said, "do we really think we were completely off day1? Do we really think that all three wagons that we developed were all on town? What are the odds of that!!! Not very likely!!" All in an attempt to frame mail-mi. And it worked. I see this as a similar attitude. "Well nkiribit was wrong... must be because we were right about someone else, cause there is no way we were that totally off day1!"