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[Galzria]

My math is wrong, but right. It's 6/4, not 5/3. Same principle.

[ashersky]

My math is wrong, but right. It's 6/4, not 5/3. Same principle.

No, it is 5/3.  There are 5 alive.

[mcmcsalot]

okay, read robz posts he has said nothing at all Robz >> Galz >> mcmc is my lynch order preferred.

[Galzria]

We have all posted around 15 times and said almost nothing your great case for why your town is you don't care...I think it would be more productive for you to say which of me or robz is scum and why, then if we do lynch one of me/robz we have you on record about the other one.

I've no idea, and with nothing to work with (as you're so quick to point out), that's not likely to change. And quite honestly, I don't care. I care that Ash/Xeiron think I'm town, because if we lynch you and Robz or Robz and you, town wins.

[ashersky]

The three of us could lynch Robz right now.

[mcmcsalot]

We have all posted around 15 times and said almost nothing your great case for why your town is you don't care...I think it would be more productive for you to say which of me or robz is scum and why, then if we do lynch one of me/robz we have you on record about the other one.

I've no idea, and with nothing to work with (as you're so quick to point out), that's not likely to change. And quite honestly, I don't care. I care that Ash/Xeiron think I'm town, because if we lynch you and Robz or Robz and you, town wins.

from your pesrpective but not from ash/x, so I don't want you convincing them your town they have to trust you them, I want you convincing them me or robz is scum so that they can see if they believe you and when your right or wrong can see if you were wrong town or tricky scum.

[Galzria]

Ok mcmc, I think you're scummier than Robz. Robz has nothing for or against him - he would be absent as scum or town. But your instance on "finding scum" and putting real thoughts down is scummy because it's an attempt to set up "well obviously X is just scum who forced the mislynch of Y". You want concrete statements so that you can spin them around later.

On the other hand, I could honestly care less (I think I've said as much, yes?) We lynch you then Robz or Robz then you, it doesn't matter to me. I'm town, and town wins that way. At that point I've no reason to care which order it's done in.

[mcmcsalot]

so we lynch robz and have the remaining ic decide between us if the game is still on? Thats better than deciding between one of us and zero content robz

[Galzria]

so we lynch robz and have the remaining ic decide between us if the game is still on? Thats better than deciding between one of us and zero content robz

I think the IC's should decide. I'll give them my opinion if they ask for it. Otherwise I'll follow them.

[mcmcsalot]

I do believe robz is the right choice, he has a good chance of being scum, wasn't around during TA's lynch and hasn't really done anything. If he's not scum we still have another chance. If we lynch me or galz and we flip town, it is going to be an impossible decision between robz and whose left.

[ashersky]

Waiting for X to weigh in.  I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.

[Galzria]

Waiting for X to weigh in.  I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.

That's the problem I'm having. I agree, and if I didn't know my own alignment (from your perspective, basically), I would almost feel like the right move is to lynch me+mcmc. But I would hate myself if Robz lurked his way to a win that way.

[xeiron]

Waiting for X to weigh in.  I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.

I prefer Robz as well, but there is no hurry.
We should discuss mcmc and Galz so there is more date to take an dicision should we need it.

[ashersky]

Mcmc and Robz didn't vote for TA.  That is a point against both.

Mcmc was skeptical of me.  That's a point in his favor.

[xeiron]

It's blitz and I'm busy. That makes me care less. However, if you suspect me, you also suspect that I bussed - which would've truly been a driving factor in TA's lynch. Remember, this is lurker!Galz. I could've said nothing and let Eevee's instruction out there to die.

You also need to believe that I intentionally staged the PM breadcrumb, with the eventual plan of vocally suspecting people who voted me after it on the grounds that I wasn't sure PM's are public... Instead of just having a town PM and not being sure PM's were public.

That's a whole lot of things you need to believe scum!Galz did, vs town!galz just not caring. /shrug. Your choice. Bu

I will not give you many town point for this.

You voted TA right after eevee. When eevee targed insomniac the day before everyone sheeped him imeadiatly.  At that time you had no reson to believe that TA was not outright doomed, just as Insomniac was.  It would be valid for scum! Galzria to bus his partner if he was doomed anyway. Only later did it turn out to be a much more open lynch than D1. It would be a valid action for town! Galzria to sheep eevee as well, of course. null read here.

It is funny that you mentioned the PM-breadcrumb yourself. I did notice it D2, and it made me wonder if this whole episode is just a trick planned from the start of the game to give you towncred.

Here is how it would work:

I've read nothing of the setup.

However.

Points at Eevee

"He's a Witch!"

Vote: Eevee

You start by laying your "trap", taking care to mention you have not read the setup:

I have literally read about 10 words out of each of the last 40 posts. Barely, barely skimmed.

Anyway, good 'ol fashion vanilla mob out to catch some witches.

Keep saying you have not read the thread wery well, witch could explain that you missed the pm's quoted in thread.

Gotta go dark for work (wasn't expecting to start new employment until 1st. They jumped the gun on me).

Vote: Insomniac

That's 3. If ya'll switch and lynch me instead, that's fine. I won't cry too much. But I am as claimed - Vanilla Town.

I actually DO suspect Xeiron, but it's PM related and I'm not sure if PM's are public or not so I don't know if it's a real case or not - and I don't have time to check now nor do I want to break any rules. Suffice to say if I die at some point here and you see my flip, I suspect him most. Ashersky is a close second for the same reason, but gets a pass for all his theory talk.

Gotta run. Have fun!

Points out that you know something pm-related.

Sorry. Was coaching last night and fell in the final inning 15-14. The ump'ing was terrible, and while our team didn't play perfect ball (so I cannot lay the blame directly on the Umps...), they did directly cost us at least 4 runs. I felt like doing nothing else except steaming after last nights game.

Anyway, rant over, what I had on them is nothing. It only mattered if PM's were private, because of the wording used in the PM's, which I more or less copied in my first RVS post of the game:

Points at Eevee

"He's a Witch!"

Vote: Eevee

If the PM's weren't public, anybody with a town PM would've realized this was just following instructions from our own PM. Thus anybody wanting to lynch me would mean they didn't get the "inside" reference. Since PM's are public though, the point is moot.

Here you explain your "trap", but unfortunatly no one was caucht.
What this this post really say though, even if you do not spell it out, is that you must be town as you knew the town PM without reading the front page.

And then you had to point it out to us in fear that we had missed it.

[xeiron]

Mcmc and Robz didn't vote for TA.  That is a point against both.

Mcmc was skeptical of me.  That's a point in his favor.

It is a point against mcmc.
Robz was not there so no points for choice of target, but major scumpoints for lurking.

[xeiron]

My gut reads:

Robz >>> Galz >>> mcmc

I feel the same at the moment.

[Galzria]

It's blitz and I'm busy. That makes me care less. However, if you suspect me, you also suspect that I bussed - which would've truly been a driving factor in TA's lynch. Remember, this is lurker!Galz. I could've said nothing and let Eevee's instruction out there to die.

You also need to believe that I intentionally staged the PM breadcrumb, with the eventual plan of vocally suspecting people who voted me after it on the grounds that I wasn't sure PM's are public... Instead of just having a town PM and not being sure PM's were public.

That's a whole lot of things you need to believe scum!Galz did, vs town!galz just not caring. /shrug. Your choice. Bu

I will not give you many town point for this.

You voted TA right after eevee. When eevee targed insomniac the day before everyone sheeped him imeadiatly.  At that time you had no reson to believe that TA was not outright doomed, just as Insomniac was.  It would be valid for scum! Galzria to bus his partner if he was doomed anyway. Only later did it turn out to be a much more open lynch than D1. It would be a valid action for town! Galzria to sheep eevee as well, of course. null read here.

It is funny that you mentioned the PM-breadcrumb yourself. I did notice it D2, and it made me wonder if this whole episode is just a trick planned from the start of the game to give you towncred.

Here is how it would work:

I've read nothing of the setup.

However.

Points at Eevee

"He's a Witch!"

Vote: Eevee

You start by laying your "trap", taking care to mention you have not read the setup:

I have literally read about 10 words out of each of the last 40 posts. Barely, barely skimmed.

Anyway, good 'ol fashion vanilla mob out to catch some witches.

Keep saying you have not read the thread wery well, witch could explain that you missed the pm's quoted in thread.

Gotta go dark for work (wasn't expecting to start new employment until 1st. They jumped the gun on me).

Vote: Insomniac

That's 3. If ya'll switch and lynch me instead, that's fine. I won't cry too much. But I am as claimed - Vanilla Town.

I actually DO suspect Xeiron, but it's PM related and I'm not sure if PM's are public or not so I don't know if it's a real case or not - and I don't have time to check now nor do I want to break any rules. Suffice to say if I die at some point here and you see my flip, I suspect him most. Ashersky is a close second for the same reason, but gets a pass for all his theory talk.

Gotta run. Have fun!

Points out that you know something pm-related.

Sorry. Was coaching last night and fell in the final inning 15-14. The ump'ing was terrible, and while our team didn't play perfect ball (so I cannot lay the blame directly on the Umps...), they did directly cost us at least 4 runs. I felt like doing nothing else except steaming after last nights game.

Anyway, rant over, what I had on them is nothing. It only mattered if PM's were private, because of the wording used in the PM's, which I more or less copied in my first RVS post of the game:

Points at Eevee

"He's a Witch!"

Vote: Eevee

If the PM's weren't public, anybody with a town PM would've realized this was just following instructions from our own PM. Thus anybody wanting to lynch me would mean they didn't get the "inside" reference. Since PM's are public though, the point is moot.

Here you explain your "trap", but unfortunatly no one was caucht.
What this this post really say though, even if you do not spell it out, is that you must be town as you knew the town PM without reading the front page.

And then you had to point it out to us in fear that we had missed it.

You're thinking 1000x harder than I ever did. But your choice. See what you want.

[Galzria]

Here, let me make it easier for you:

vote: Galzria

Hammer it out, will you? That makes your choice between 2 people.

[Galzria]

And before you start going "OMG OBVSCUM SELF VOTE TACTIC" (which you of course will), see this post:

Waiting for X to weigh in.  I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.

That's the problem I'm having. I agree, and if I didn't know my own alignment (from your perspective, basically), I would almost feel like the right move is to lynch me+mcmc. But I would hate myself if Robz lurked his way to a win that way.

So lynch me, and then decide if you want to let mcmc win or not. Robz isn't scum though.

[mcmcsalot]

Galz >> robz >> mcmc new order. Because I am pretty sure galz is scum based on his recent posts. So I don't think there will even be a decision to make after this.

[mcmcsalot]

And before you start going "OMG OBVSCUM SELF VOTE TACTIC" (which you of course will), see this post:

Waiting for X to weigh in.  I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.

That's the problem I'm having. I agree, and if I didn't know my own alignment (from your perspective, basically), I would almost feel like the right move is to lynch me+mcmc. But I would hate myself if Robz lurked his way to a win that way.

So lynch me, and then decide if you want to let mcmc win or not. Robz isn't scum though.

So thinking I'm scum your best option is to lynch you and make one of ash/x decide who is scum between me and no posts robz. That is a very difficult choice hence why I wanted to vote robz first, but now I think your scum.

[Galzria]

And before you start going "OMG OBVSCUM SELF VOTE TACTIC" (which you of course will), see this post:

Waiting for X to weigh in.  I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.

That's the problem I'm having. I agree, and if I didn't know my own alignment (from your perspective, basically), I would almost feel like the right move is to lynch me+mcmc. But I would hate myself if Robz lurked his way to a win that way.

So lynch me, and then decide if you want to let mcmc win or not. Robz isn't scum though.

So thinking I'm scum your best option is to lynch you and make one of ash/x decide who is scum between me and no posts robz. That is a very difficult choice hence why I wanted to vote robz first, but now I think your scum.

Actually it's a very easy choice. Robz isn't scum, you are. And Ashersky knows this. (Or will once I flip):

Waiting for X to weigh in.  I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.

The fact that you're all over this is just further proof that you're scum looking for any way you can to win. Robz doesn't give a fuck. And he's town. You know it, I know it, Ashersky knows it. So there's no reason to lynch him and force them into deciding between two people that are actually here. Lynch me, lynch you - town wins. Good game.

[Galzria]

Ash, listen to me:

Lynch me now, and lynch mcmc tomorrow. If you lynch Robz, you're a fool. He's not scum and we both know it. READ mcmc's posts. Read them from a perspective that he's scum. It's so damn obvious it hurts. The easiest way for me to convince you that I'm town and seeing this (and not scum and claiming this) is to lynch me - and with our mislynch available this is possible. So lynch me, get my flip and lynch mcmc tomorrow.

[ashersky]

Xe, don't vote.  Let this play out.  I think I know what to do, though.