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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: liopoil on April 28, 2013, 06:59:55 pm
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Welcome to ZMXIII: Month Python Witch Mafia!
This game is for exactly 8 players. Player list:
1. Eevee: Town-aligned Sir Bedevere Witch Hunter Turned into a newt after Day 2
2. Mcmcsalot: Mafia-Aligned Witch Lynched Day 3
3. Robz888
4. Galzria
5. Insomniac: Vanilla Townie Lynched Day 1
6. TwistedArcher: Mafia-Aligned Witch Lynched Day 2
7. Ashersky
8. Xeiron
Replacements: Yuma
Co-mods: shraeye, EFHW.
All flavor in this game is based on this scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g) from Monty Python and the holy grail. I think it is well suited for a mafia game. Flavor has no real bearing on the game so you do not need to watch the scene, but I recommend it.
Mafia Ruleset Changes in RED
Game Rules:
General Gameplay and Etiquette:
1. You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it. Mafia members may communicate at all times in their Quicktopic.
3. If you have a role with an action your choices are due to me before the lynch. If I do not receive your choice via PM (or in your Quicktopic) before the lynch you will forfeit your actions. In case of multiple submissions, the last valid one before the lynch will be used.
4. Roles with actions will not be able to submit an action during the confirmation stage
5. Any player with an action may instead submit a “No Action” PM to let the Mod know that you do not want to perform your expected action that Night phase.
Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:
1.Whomever has the most votes currently on them at lynch deadline is lynched. In case of tie there will be no lynch.
2. Once you have reached a simple majority no further unvoting will change someone’s fate. Further votes will also be ignored.
3. Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until I post a death scene; all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post during twilight.
4. Please submit votes as: Vote: PlayerName. Votes will NOT be counted if they are not bold or do not follow this syntax! Obvious abbreviations or nicknames will be counted so long as they are unambiguous.
5. Please submit vote revocations as either Unvote: PlayerName or Unvote. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
6. You may Vote: No Lynch - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without a lynch.
7. This game will have 30 HOUR deadlines. If a player or No Lynch does not have a simple majority at deadline, the player with most votes currently on them will be lynched, and the game will go into the next day.
8. Once you are killed (either via lynch or kill) you may no longer post. This means that you do not even get a “Bah” post. The dead in this game are silent.
9. Do not edit or delete posts. We don't want some players having more information than others. If you want to clarify posts, feel free to double post.
Miscellaneous/Mechanics:
1. Bold, color text is reserved for the Mod. No invisible/small text is allowed, nor is cryptography.
2. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please PM the Mod privately. Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread.
3. The Mod may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. Please bold all requests to the Mod so that they don’t get missed.
5. Rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, up to and including a Modkill.
The Golden Rule:
Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun! Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game. Most or all of you have taken the Civility pledge (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0), if you haven't I suggest you do.
Helpful Links:
- Main Wiki Page (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)
- Newbie Guide (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Newbie_Guide)
- Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ)
- Commonly Used Abbreviations (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Commonly_used_abbreviations)
- Mafia Theory (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Theory)
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Game Setup:
Mechanics/overview:
-Daystart
-Nightless (all actions must be submitted during the day, before the lynch.)
-Scum have daychat
-No Night kill after Day One lynch
-2 scum
-4-5 VTs
-1-2 town PRs, which are the same.
-scum powers are directly influenced by the number of PRs.
-scum and town PR(s) choose one of three options pre-game
-I will flip a coin pre-game to determine how many town PRs there are.
And now the PMs. These aren't finalized, will be edited for flavor and wording later:
Hi, --playername--, Welcome to ZMXIII: Monty Python Witch Mafia! You are a Town-Aligned Vanilla Mob-Member
You're just another member of the mob, searching for those witches who've disguised themselves as mob members. However, you don't have any fancy tools of science to find the witches, all you can do is point at players and yell, "a witch!" If someone questions why you think they're a witch you're just going to have to say "they look like one!" and hope that's convincing enough to burn them.
You have no powers beyond your voice and your vote, use them well!
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated
Please Confirm via PM
Here is the scum PM, which is the same no matter what:
Hi, --playername--, Welcome to ZMXIII: Monty Python Witch Mafia! You are a Mafia-Aligned Witch
They're out for you! Luckily, you are masters of disguise and look just like another member of the mob. You'll have to be extra careful to keep your cover. It is also your responsibility to dress other people up as witches to be burned instead of yourself.
You and your partner, --partnername--, share a QT where you can talk at any time. Here is the QT link: --QT link--
Once, at any point during each day except for day one, you or your partner may cast the spell to turn a player of your choice into a newt in your QT. That player will turn into a newt at the end of the day, and will not "get better".
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Please confirm via PM
The town power role PM, which is the same regardless of how many of them there are:
Hi, --playername--, Welcome to ZMXIII: Monty Python Witch Mafia! You are a Town-Aligned Sir Bedevere Witch Hunter
You're smarter than those silly mob members. You don't resort to silly accusations, you have tools of science to help you find the witches! Choose your tool of science pre-game. But be careful, people don't always trust tools of science and might burn you if they don't believe you! You're name is Sir Bedevere, and you may or may not have a twin brother.
Before the game starts, you must choose one of the following:
-Bridge maker. Once at any point during each of days 3 and 4, you may choose a player to attempt to build a bridge out of. I will tell you if you succeeded in building a bridge out of the player. (I'll tell you their alignment.)
-Day 2 Float test. Once at any point during Day 2, you may choose exactly three different currently alive players who aren't yourself to put in water. I will tell you exactly how many of those players float. (How many are witch-aligned)
-Day 3 scales and Day 1 or 2 science detector/brother searcher. Once during Day 3 you may choose exactly two different currently alive players who aren't yourself to weigh. I will tell you if at least one of those players weighs the same as a duck. (is witch-aligned). In addition, once during Day 1 OR 2, you may choose a player to search for science. I will tell you if that player has any tools of science/is your brother.
When the game starts, I will tell you which power your brother chose, if you have a brother. If you do not have a brother, the mafia will choose which power I tell you.You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Please confirm via PM
The mafia QT first post if there is ONE witch hunter:
Mafia QT for --playername-- and --playername--
There is exactly one witch hunter in this game. Pre-game, you must choose a power for me to tell the witch hunter the other witch hunter chose. The available powers are in the second post of the game thread.
Pre-game, you must also choose one of the following powers:
-Dress somebody up as a witch: A random player will be dressed up as a witch at the start of the game. This player will be informed that they have been dressed up as a witch, but you will not be informed who that is. Each player has an equal chance of being dressed up as a witch, including real witches. When a dressed up as a witch player dies the fact that they were dressed up as a witch will not be revealed. This player looks extra suspicious and will take one fewer vote to burn.
-Hide the ashes: The alignment and role of the any player burned Day one will not be revealed.
-Sir Bedevere hunter: at any point during day 2 you may submit the names of three different currently alive players who aren't either of you. I will tell you if one of those players is Sir Bedevere.
The mob will be informed if you, the witches, chose their first, second, or third option at the start of day 2.
The mafia QT first post if there are TWO witch hunters:
Mafia QT for --playername-- and --playername--
There are exactly two witch hunters in this game. Pre-game, you must choose one of the following powers:
-Dress somebody up as a witch: At the start of Day 2, a random currently alive town-aligned player will be dressed up as a witch. This player will be informed that they have been dressed up as a witch, but you will not be informed who that is. Each alive town-aligned player has an equal chance of being dressed up as a witch. Players dressed up as a witch take one few vote to burn.
-Hide the ashes: The alignment and role of the first player to be burned will not be revealed. At the start of Day 2, you will be told which power a random witch hunter chose.
-Sir Bedevere hunter: Once at any point during each of days 2 and 3 you may submit the names of 2 different currently alive players who aren't yourself. I will tell you if at least one of those players is named Sir Bedevere.
The town will be informed if the mafia chose their first, second, or third option at the start of day 2.
This could be tweaked, so any comments would be great. The roles are a bit complicated, so feel free to ask any and all questions.
Edit: Flavor added
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Eevee in.
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Auto in as always, wouldn't miss a blitz for the world.
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Well. Damn.
Flavor wins over availability.
/in
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/tag for stats and general amusement
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Just a comment about the Day3, Day4 cop. I think only 3/12 blitz games that we have played have gone to a day4. And 5/12 have only been 2 days. I realize that a lot of these are different setups, but part of blitz is having really short games with few days.
As such I question a bit about the utility of the day3/day4 cop investigation.
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although I see that the cop role is the most powerful and having it would imply that you risk that the game would last that long.
Is day4 even possible?
Day1 - mislynch 7 players alive
Night 1 - no night kill
Day 2 - mislynch 6 players alive
Night 2 - NK 5 players alive
Day 3 - mislynch 4 players alive
Night 3 - NK 3 players alive
So yes the Day4 investigation could be useful, but at that point the cop would not have been able to investigate and tell the results for day3, otherwise scum would have killed the cop by that point most likely...
Hmmm... maybe it is better than I originally thought.
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If town can lynch one scum and the cop can survive then town wins.
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Actually, not quite true because the cop might not be believed on D4.
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On your Hated power--it says Hated won't be revealed upon death, but if someone is lynched at L-1 instead of L, everyone will know they were hated anyway.
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Yes, but they might be NKed.
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Whoops, found a small problem, will fix tommorow.
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/tag for flavor. Not
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I probably won't play, but for it to be a possibility it'd have to be at a very convenient time.
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i'm a mod!
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although I see that the cop role is the most powerful and having it would imply that you risk that the game would last that long.
Is day4 even possible?
Day1 - mislynch 7 players alive
Night 1 - no night kill
Day 2 - mislynch 6 players alive
Night 2 - NK 5 players alive
Day 3 - mislynch 4 players alive
Night 3 - NK 3 players alive
So yes the Day4 investigation could be useful, but at that point the cop would not have been able to investigate and tell the results for day3, otherwise scum would have killed the cop by that point most likely...
Hmmm... maybe it is better than I originally thought.
2 scum in 8 players?
Day1(6/2) - mislynch 7 players alive
Night 1 - no night kill
Day 2(5/2) - mislynch 6 players alive
Night 2 - NK 5 players alive
Day 3(3/2) - mislynch 4 players alive
Night 3 - NK 3 players alive
Game allows for 2 mislynches, if scum is lynched any day 1/2/3, Day 4 starts(2/1) still mylo.
Day 2 triple investigator is sooo swingy. If D1 is a mislynch(usual) 5/2 is D2 start. Since 2 mislynches are all the game allows, a group of three that contains a witch is a useless result. If a group contains a witch, you cannot lynch all three because there could be one or both witches there. A no witch result wins town the game(on day 2), 5/2 means Witch hunter + 3 cleared = 4 IC and 3 possible, lynch all 3 for win. With two witch hunters this power is even better.
Day 3/4 cop wins game if he is alive on day 4(making it there)
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theory discussion pre-game?? That could be awkward during the game...
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The idea is that claims won't be believed. scum can fakeclaim.
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The idea is that claims won't be believed. scum can fakeclaim.
shhhhh; players get to figure this out for themselves.
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The idea is that claims won't be believed. scum can fakeclaim.
shhhhh; players get to figure this out for themselves.
I see, didn't notice the unknown 1-2 pr's that's why witch-hunter investigation works. Someone claims witch hunter and the other one can investigate them.
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Well, the thing is that I want to give players a better understanding of the strategies in this setup so they can help me correct anything that doesn't work. I have looked over everything multiple times and made sure everything people have mentioned thus far works, but just yesterday I found a problem which has now been changed.
Sounds like people like the flavor! That means I should probably start writing it...
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/tag
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/in - I like blitz too much
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I'd like to help mod if that's ok.
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two more!
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Flavor added to PMs, for those who care :P terms like "lynch" and "hated" and "nightkilled" Have been turned into terms like "burn" and "dressed up like a witch" and "turned into a newt". I hope these won't be confusing.
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Staying in but might not actually be able to play, I have like no time anymore.
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Liopiol sorry but I have to out for now. Grad week is that week and I underestimated how busy I'll be. If it hasn't started but the time it's over ill re-in.
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Doesn't start until next monday and that's only if we fill..
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Right, grad week is next Monday. Family will be around for most of the week so less Internet tome
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I've had an idea to change the hated scum power to a power which messes with investigations, (inspired by the possession from bankers). What do you think? Also note that I stole the idea for the double and triple investigator people from bankers as well. idea of scum powers influenced by town powers is from C9++ (also JK++ I've heard, but I haven't played that). Idea for choosing powers pre-game is from insom's blitz game. So, yeah, I borrowed a lot of ideas.
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I've had an idea to change the hated scum power to a power which messes with investigations, (inspired by the possession from bankers). What do you think? Also note that I stole the idea for the double and triple investigator people from bankers as well. idea of scum powers influenced by town powers is from C9++ (also JK++ I've heard, but I haven't played that). Idea for choosing powers pre-game is from insom's blitz game. So, yeah, I borrowed a lot of ideas.
I think the Miller idea is cool. It weakens the Witch Hunters more than the Hated does, however. But if you feel like Witches are at a disadvantage, then put it in.
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well, it wouldn't be strictly miller, but along that line... it shouldn't be too much better than hated. I do not think the witches need more power, it's that that particular option seems weak.
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bump
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I'll play.
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/in
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That's 8. PMs man.
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I really don't want to out, but I can't play unless the start of this is delayed until Wednesday.
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mcmc and TA, are you playing? Are people okay with starting next wednesday? If we do the game probably goes into the weekend, and I hear that's a big no-no. I'll be around next weekend though. If not, we can start a week from monday.
Also, I can send PMs and lock the thread if people want, or does that give mafia too much time to talk pre-game?
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mcmc and TA, are you playing? Are people okay with starting next wednesday? If we do the game probably goes into the weekend, and I hear that's a big no-no. I'll be around next weekend though. If not, we can start a week from monday.
Also, I can send PMs and lock the thread if people want, or does that give mafia too much time to talk pre-game?
For Blitz, I'd try to do PMs closer to the start date (like 24 hours at most). Wednesday start could end on Friday.
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it might, but it also might not. This game can have up to 4 days.
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I will play unless someone asks me not to(which is completely fine) you have all seen my availability. So being in three games will directly take the time I use for mafia and divide by 3 instead of 2(I can't add any) So like I said, I love mafia, blitz is my favorite, and a wednesday start lets me have some solid time(thursday/weekend) but if anyone thinks I would not have enough time and rather I not play I will understand and happily bow out.
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So people are okay with weekend mafia?
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Start next wednesday is fine for me.
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So it seems xeiron, robz888, ashersky, and mcmc are all fine with a next wednesday start. I'll start then unless anyone else objects. Haven't heard from TA again yet. TA, if the game starts next wednesday, are you in? I'll send PMs monday or tuesday.
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I'll be travelling to my cousins graduation party up north, but I'm guessing it will be boring and I'll have plenty of time for mobile posting. Fine with whatever day.
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Thread Locked!
Again, all flavor is based on one scene, which is less than 5 minutes long. There is a link to it in the OP. You don't need to know anything about flavor, but why be in the dark when you don't need to?
Sorry about the somewhat sloppy PMs to some of you guys, I was in a rush this morning. No game-altering errors were made though.
Please confirm via PM, and if you have a pre-game choice give me that too.
Also, if you have any questions about any of the roles, even if you do not have that role, feel free to ask them and I will answer.
The game will start once everyone has confirmed and all pre-game choices have been made and it is wednesday.
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Day One Start!
An angry mob has rushed into the square. They say they have caught not just one, but TWO witches! "Burn them!" someone yelled. The mob approved, but in the chaos, the witches had disapeared! They knew the witches must have blended in among them self in disguise. The mob would not be denied the right to burn witches, so they decided to burn one of their own, in the hope they catch a witch.
Vote Count 1.0:
Not Voting (8): Eevee, Mcmcsalot, Robz888, Galzria, Insomniac, TwistedArcher, Ashersky, Xeiron
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is 30 hours from now, Thursday, 5/23/13 at 1:30pm.
THREAD UNLOCKED!
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Round 1, fight!
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Can anyone recap the set-up for me? This isn't one I've played before.
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Hi everyone!
Ashersky,
Scum gets 1 of 3 powers to choose from, while town PR gets 1 of 3 powers to choose from. Scum powers are influenced by whether or not there's 1 or 2 PRs. It seems really, really, interesting.
I'm guessing it's one nobody has played before? There's not a previous game like this on f.DS for reference, is there?
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Or I guess the last blitz was kinda similar, looking back, given that it had choices for both scum and PRs.
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I've read nothing of the setup.
However.
Points at Eevee
"He's a Witch!"
Vote: Eevee
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Just read the setup. This is an insane setup! Too difficult to theorize. Brain hurts. Galz is playing?
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Well I suggest you both get around to reading the setup, it sounds very fun, and also useful to analyze!
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Well I suggest you both get around to reading the setup, it sounds very fun, and also useful to analyze!
I did read it, it's just crazy. Fun crazy, but crazy.
You're pretty familiar with it? Obv witch.
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Well I suggest you both get around to reading the setup, it sounds very fun, and also useful to analyze!
I did read it, it's just crazy. Fun crazy, but crazy.
You're pretty familiar with it? Obv witch.
I just actually read the setups before I join a game :)
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As for analysis:
Which powers would everyone choose?
For the PR, they all seem really useful -- the finding the other PR / scales slightly nullified by the fact that there's not a guaranteed second PR. So I'd choose the first (bridge) or second (float) -- leaning the second, but the first seems good if I think I can survive to D3.
For the witch, finding the PR seems weaker -- you have to guess the right people to get a result, THEN guess which person is the PR, THEN hope they didn't choose the power they could already use. Picking someone to be hated seems really good for later on, although it seems even stronger if there's 2 PRs. So I'd probably lean that one if there's 2 PRs, not sure on which of the first two I'd pick if there's 1 PR.
Encouraging others to post their thoughts and get some discussion going!
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I heard someone say eevee is a witch.
vote: eevee
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The set-up is entirely created by me, borrowing elements from other games. It started out not nearly as complicated, but kept getting tweaked for balance until it got to its present state. I can't wait to talk about it after the game.
Galzria points at eevee with absolute certainty that he is far too fuzzy not to be a witch. Xeiron can't argue with this reasoning and concurs.
Vote Count 1.1:
Eevee: (2) Galzria, Xeiron
Not Voting: (6) Eevee, Mcmcsalot, Robz888, Insomniac, TwistedArcher, Ashersky
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
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What is our deadline?
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Why are there no posts! I hadnt been online after my first post and was fully expecting having to explain my lurking but no.
Setup is indeed complicated, makes my head hurt. (Very) slight town on xeiron for making that joke as its the kind of behavior mafia wants to avoid.
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Deadline is tommorow at 1:30pm, as said in the game start post.
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I don't know, I was hoping someone would have responded to my post...
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Ok, just read it.
Town PR needs to have chosen the third option. Creating ICs is the name of the nightless game. At some point on D1, we should popcorn full claim.
Scum should have chosen Dress Up for 1 PR and Hide the Ashes for 2. Confusion post-lynch is the name of the nightless game.
vote: robz for faking confusion. Robz is waaaaaay to smart to go "oh so hard my head hurtzsies" in this game.
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I dont know, it's not at all clear to me what scum/town should do with the roles.
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Vote: Xeiron
Why the second vote on eevee so early
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Ok, just read it.
Town PR needs to have chosen the third option. Creating ICs is the name of the nightless game. At some point on D1, we should popcorn full claim.
Scum should have chosen Dress Up for 1 PR and Hide the Ashes for 2. Confusion post-lynch is the name of the nightless game.
vote: robz for faking confusion. Robz is waaaaaay to smart to go "oh so hard my head hurtzsies" in this game.
Are you serious?
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Ok, just read it.
Town PR needs to have chosen the third option. Creating ICs is the name of the nightless game. At some point on D1, we should popcorn full claim.
Scum should have chosen Dress Up for 1 PR and Hide the Ashes for 2. Confusion post-lynch is the name of the nightless game.
vote: robz for faking confusion. Robz is waaaaaay to smart to go "oh so hard my head hurtzsies" in this game.
Does option 3 create ICs any better than option 2 does? Option 2 has the possibility of creating 3 ICs, which is massive
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Ok, just read it.
Town PR needs to have chosen the third option. Creating ICs is the name of the nightless game. At some point on D1, we should popcorn full claim.
Scum should have chosen Dress Up for 1 PR and Hide the Ashes for 2. Confusion post-lynch is the name of the nightless game.
vote: robz for faking confusion. Robz is waaaaaay to smart to go "oh so hard my head hurtzsies" in this game.
I agree the third option sounds strong for town PR.
I also agree with hide the ashes. Why is Dress up good? It is a dangerous choice as it can backfire by targeting a witch.
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Vote: Xeiron
Why the second vote on eevee so early
Why not?
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I also agree with hide the ashes. Why is Dress up good? It is a dangerous choice as it can backfire by targeting a witch.
Because the janitor thing is big, I think. With only one PR, the chance of creating confusion is greater, by design. I think scum wants town to be as confused as possible, while town PR's job is to unconfuse us as best they can.
Also, if I'm scum and I know there's only one PR, I'm DEFINITELY fake-claiming town PR. The chances the real town PR took the "see if you have a PR friend" power are low, in my estimation.
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Ok, just read it.
Town PR needs to have chosen the third option. Creating ICs is the name of the nightless game. At some point on D1, we should popcorn full claim.
Scum should have chosen Dress Up for 1 PR and Hide the Ashes for 2. Confusion post-lynch is the name of the nightless game.
vote: robz for faking confusion. Robz is waaaaaay to smart to go "oh so hard my head hurtzsies" in this game.
Does option 3 create ICs any better than option 2 does? Option 2 has the possibility of creating 3 ICs, which is massive
But Option 2 has a longer delay in a game that might not last that long. In Blitz, my rule of thumb is to take the powers that let you act early. No way to know you survive to Day 3.
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You seem to have given this a lot of thought.
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Ok, just read it.
Town PR needs to have chosen the third option. Creating ICs is the name of the nightless game. At some point on D1, we should popcorn full claim.
Scum should have chosen Dress Up for 1 PR and Hide the Ashes for 2. Confusion post-lynch is the name of the nightless game.
vote: robz for faking confusion. Robz is waaaaaay to smart to go "oh so hard my head hurtzsies" in this game.
Are you serious?
About which part? I made a lot of statements there.
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You seem to have given this a lot of thought.
I read it for the first time after TA complained no one was answering his question. I'm just VERY GOOD at knowing how to use a set-up to town's advantage, always put it out there at the beginning of D1, then promptly get ignored/lambasted by others (like yuma), and town gets destroyed (by yuma).
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Hi, --playername--, Welcome to ZMXIII: Monty Python Witch Mafia! You are a Town-Aligned Sir Bedevere Witch Hunter
You're smarter than those silly mob members. You don't resort to silly accusations, you have tools of science to help you find the witches! Choose your tool of science pre-game. But be careful, people don't always trust tools of science and might burn you if they don't believe you! You're name is Sir Bedevere, and you may or may not have a twin brother.
Before the game starts, you must choose one of the following:
-Bridge maker. Once at any point during each of days 3 and 4, you may choose a player to attempt to build a bridge out of. I will tell you if you succeeded in building a bridge out of the player. (I'll tell you their alignment.)
-Day 2 Float test. Once at any point during Day 2, you may choose exactly three different currently alive players who aren't yourself to put in water. I will tell you exactly how many of those players float. (How many are witch-aligned)
-Day 3 scales and Day 1 or 2 science detector/brother searcher. Once during Day 3 you may choose exactly two different currently alive players who aren't yourself to weigh. I will tell you if at least one of those players weighs the same as a duck. (is witch-aligned). In addition, once during Day 1 OR 2, you may choose a player to search for science. I will tell you if that player has any tools of science/is your brother.
When the game starts, I will tell you which power your brother chose, if you have a brother. If you do not have a brother, the mafia will choose which power I tell you.You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Please confirm via PM
Ashersky, I'm confused. You say you think town took option 3, but you say you don't think they took the choice to find the other PR.
The second option goes into affect on Day 2. Do you have a different numbering than what I'm using?
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Hi, --playername--, Welcome to ZMXIII: Monty Python Witch Mafia! You are a Town-Aligned Sir Bedevere Witch Hunter
You're smarter than those silly mob members. You don't resort to silly accusations, you have tools of science to help you find the witches! Choose your tool of science pre-game. But be careful, people don't always trust tools of science and might burn you if they don't believe you! You're name is Sir Bedevere, and you may or may not have a twin brother.
Before the game starts, you must choose one of the following:
-Bridge maker. Once at any point during each of days 3 and 4, you may choose a player to attempt to build a bridge out of. I will tell you if you succeeded in building a bridge out of the player. (I'll tell you their alignment.)
-Day 2 Float test. Once at any point during Day 2, you may choose exactly three different currently alive players who aren't yourself to put in water. I will tell you exactly how many of those players float. (How many are witch-aligned)
-Day 3 scales and Day 1 or 2 science detector/brother searcher. Once during Day 3 you may choose exactly two different currently alive players who aren't yourself to weigh. I will tell you if at least one of those players weighs the same as a duck. (is witch-aligned). In addition, once during Day 1 OR 2, you may choose a player to search for science. I will tell you if that player has any tools of science/is your brother.
When the game starts, I will tell you which power your brother chose, if you have a brother. If you do not have a brother, the mafia will choose which power I tell you.You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Please confirm via PM
Ashersky, I'm confused. You say you think town took option 3, but you say you don't think they took the choice to find the other PR.
The second option goes into affect on Day 2. Do you have a different numbering than what I'm using?
No, you are right, and I was confusing roles there, sort of.
Option 3 allows you to create an IC and/or find scum on Day 1, if we full claim today, because you can't die before using your Day 1 power. This gives up your "scales" thing on Day 3, but really, who's alive on Day 3?
Option 3 is the only role that lets you do anything on Day 1, and that's the only day that matters in Blitz. How well we do today will decide the outcome of the came. This is just my opinion from modding 4 (5?) blitz games and playing in another few.
But again, I note, no one will listen to me.
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And was anyone else really confused when they got a PM with "mob" in it but had green text? I had to re-read the thing multiple times to figure out if I was town or mafia.
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Hi, --playername--, Welcome to ZMXIII: Monty Python Witch Mafia! You are a Town-Aligned Sir Bedevere Witch Hunter
You're smarter than those silly mob members. You don't resort to silly accusations, you have tools of science to help you find the witches! Choose your tool of science pre-game. But be careful, people don't always trust tools of science and might burn you if they don't believe you! You're name is Sir Bedevere, and you may or may not have a twin brother.
Before the game starts, you must choose one of the following:
-Bridge maker. Once at any point during each of days 3 and 4, you may choose a player to attempt to build a bridge out of. I will tell you if you succeeded in building a bridge out of the player. (I'll tell you their alignment.)
-Day 2 Float test. Once at any point during Day 2, you may choose exactly three different currently alive players who aren't yourself to put in water. I will tell you exactly how many of those players float. (How many are witch-aligned)
-Day 3 scales and Day 1 or 2 science detector/brother searcher. Once during Day 3 you may choose exactly two different currently alive players who aren't yourself to weigh. I will tell you if at least one of those players weighs the same as a duck. (is witch-aligned). In addition, once during Day 1 OR 2, you may choose a player to search for science. I will tell you if that player has any tools of science/is your brother.
When the game starts, I will tell you which power your brother chose, if you have a brother. If you do not have a brother, the mafia will choose which power I tell you.You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Please confirm via PM
Ashersky, I'm confused. You say you think town took option 3, but you say you don't think they took the choice to find the other PR.
The second option goes into affect on Day 2. Do you have a different numbering than what I'm using?
No, you are right, and I was confusing roles there, sort of.
Option 3 allows you to create an IC and/or find scum on Day 1, if we full claim today, because you can't die before using your Day 1 power. This gives up your "scales" thing on Day 3, but really, who's alive on Day 3?
Option 3 is the only role that lets you do anything on Day 1, and that's the only day that matters in Blitz. How well we do today will decide the outcome of the came. This is just my opinion from modding 4 (5?) blitz games and playing in another few.
But again, I note, no one will listen to me.
I dunno. Massclaims usually destroy town, don't they? I have never played blitz, so I may bow to the expertise of others, but town PRs will just get NK'd.
Your plan works if town PRs claimed the option you think they should have claimed. But it backfires spectacularly if they didn't claim that option. I don't think that's a risk we should be willing to take...
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Basically, your plan to create an IC works, but only if everything goes right. IF there's a PR who chose the third option, and IF there's either a second PR or scum decides to fakeclaim that second PR. But then we can trust the PR, now that they've got this idea.
I think banking on PR choosing the power you think they chose is too big of a risk for this plan to work...
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I think we should claim popcorn as soon as possible.
We should claim whether we are a power role or not.
If we are a power role we should not claim our own power choice, but do claim the choice of our partner.
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If scum tries to fakeclaim this way they have about 2/3 chance of guessing wrong.
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What if PR chose power choice #1, though? Then aren't we just throwing the game away?
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Ashersky seems towny to me. I don't understand the setup well enough to make a decision on whether he is correct though. (No inclinations to believe either way, I do think liopoil made a lot of effort to make this balanced, and day 1 massclaims usually arent favorable in balanced setups).
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Also note that scum has no night kill night one. That means if we claim today we have two lynches we can use effectively before scum can nightkill our powerroles.
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I dunno. Massclaims usually destroy town, don't they? I have never played blitz, so I may bow to the expertise of others, but town PRs will just get NK'd.
Your plan works if town PRs claimed the option you think they should have claimed. But it backfires spectacularly if they didn't claim that option. I don't think that's a risk we should be willing to take...
No NKs in this game, at all. So PRs can claim with zero fear of death. That's why claiming works so well here.
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Also note, the real Town PR should claim immediately, and ask if there's another one out there. Then you use the Day 1 power to confirm, then we have 2 ICs, or caught scum.
THEN, we have to find 2 scum in 6, or 1/3 chance on D1. Things get easier after each lynch after that.
Clearly I'm not the Town PR, or I would have already claimed and done won this thing.
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Also note, the real Town PR should claim immediately, and ask if there's another one out there. Then you use the Day 1 power to confirm, then we have 2 ICs, or caught scum.
THEN, we have to find 2 scum in 6, or 1/3 chance on D1. Things get easier after each lynch after that.
Clearly I'm not the Town PR, or I would have already claimed and done won this thing.
IF they selected the day 1 power! No guarantee they did!
Maybe I'm playing too cautiously, but I'm so, so hesitant about this plan..
And yeah I know you're not town PR, you already claimed mob member :P
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Ashersky seems towny to me. I don't understand the setup well enough to make a decision on whether he is correct though. (No inclinations to believe either way, I do think liopoil made a lot of effort to make this balanced, and day 1 massclaims usually arent favorable in balanced setups).
As I understand the setup there are one or two powerroles that choses an power. They are told what the other PR chose. If there are only one PR, scum choose what the PR is told the other PR chose. As far as i know scum is never told what the PR chooses, and this -together with no nk night one- is what i wants us take advantage of.
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Ashersky seems towny to me. I don't understand the setup well enough to make a decision on whether he is correct though. (No inclinations to believe either way, I do think liopoil made a lot of effort to make this balanced, and day 1 massclaims usually arent favorable in balanced setups).
As I understand the setup there are one or two powerroles that choses an power. They are told what the other PR chose. If there are only one PR, scum choose what the PR is told the other PR chose. As far as i know scum is never told what the PR chooses, and this -together with no nk night one- is what i wants us take advantage of.
Both PRs are the same, though, so if we have two PRs, they have the same powers.
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Ashersky seems towny to me. I don't understand the setup well enough to make a decision on whether he is correct though. (No inclinations to believe either way, I do think liopoil made a lot of effort to make this balanced, and day 1 massclaims usually arent favorable in balanced setups).
As I understand the setup there are one or two powerroles that choses an power. They are told what the other PR chose. If there are only one PR, scum choose what the PR is told the other PR chose. As far as i know scum is never told what the PR chooses, and this -together with no nk night one- is what i wants us take advantage of.
Both PRs are the same, though, so if we have two PRs, they have the same powers.
I...don't think this is true? Let me go re-read OP
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Ashersky seems towny to me. I don't understand the setup well enough to make a decision on whether he is correct though. (No inclinations to believe either way, I do think liopoil made a lot of effort to make this balanced, and day 1 massclaims usually arent favorable in balanced setups).
As I understand the setup there are one or two powerroles that choses an power. They are told what the other PR chose. If there are only one PR, scum choose what the PR is told the other PR chose. As far as i know scum is never told what the PR chooses, and this -together with no nk night one- is what i wants us take advantage of.
Both PRs are the same, though, so if we have two PRs, they have the same powers.
I...don't think this is true? Let me go re-read OP
You're wrong on this -- both PRs choose indepedently, then get informed of their partner's choice
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No NKs in this game, at all. So PRs can claim with zero fear of death. That's why claiming works so well here.
There are night kills from night two.
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I think we need a town consensus on whether people should claim pr / non pr asap. TA, what do you think?
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I think depending on the 1/3 chance that a PR (I guess higher if there's 2 of them) chose choice #3 is too risky. It's not the option that stood out to me as the most powerful.
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The town power role PM, which is the same regardless of how many of them there are:
I read this as "The town power role, which is the same regardless of how many of them there are:" which to me means the power is the same.
No NKs in this game, at all. So PRs can claim with zero fear of death. That's why claiming works so well here.
There are night kills from night two.
There are no nights, so this is false. There is no "night two."
Regardless, we win on D1 with this plan. The only chance scum has (and I don't mind writing this, since they'll figure this out on their own), is to gambit and win the fake claim somehow, even if they are caught by the D1 power. It's truly a test of wifom/social persuasion powers for the PRs and for scum. The rest of us just sit back and decide who to kill.
Our D1 decision will make it easy to figure out the rest of the days. If scum can kill on subsequent days, they'd be stupid to, since it just narrows down town's choices. I'd say they no kill instead.
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I think depending on the 1/3 chance that a PR (I guess higher if there's 2 of them) chose choice #3 is too risky. It's not the option that stood out to me as the most powerful.
It's 100% chance if they chose correctly. If they chose the other options, we are in a tougher position, because if we mislynch the PR today, they don't get to do anything.
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If there are two witch hunters then they chose their powers independently. It is just the PM that is the same.
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If there are two witch hunters then they chose their powers independently. It is just the PM that is the same.
Cool. So if we have two, we have two chances at the D1 choice. I feel even better about the plan. I will wait for claims (you've got mine already).
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There are NKs, or I guess post-day kills, just not the first one. If PR chose option 3, all his utility comes from using the ability to look for the other PR, and not from him day 3 scales, as he'll be killed after day 2. Is it worth neutering this power to possibly catch scum in a counterclaim?
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There are NKs, or I guess post-day kills, just not the first one. If PR chose option 3, all his utility comes from using the ability to look for the other PR, and not from him day 3 scales, as he'll be killed after day 2. Is it worth neutering this power to possibly catch scum in a counterclaim?
Catching scum in a counterclaim OR create 2 ICs, thereby reducing the game to 6 players. 2 scum in 6 players is HUGE. Great advantage. "Worst" case is we get 1 IC for two days. That's still 2/7 then 2/6 with a mislynch on D1. So still great.
Xieron is right that PRs should not claim their choice until after we're all done with claims.
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Argh. I get what you're saying, and I see where you're coming from, and I don't doubt that it's a good idea, but for some reason I keep getting it blocked up in my head. I think that there's a decent chance that it's not worth it. Here's all the possibilities. For argument's sake I'm putting PR choosing powers at 1/3 for each one.
1 PR: Chooses power 1 (1/6)
Counterclaim, we don't have a way of knowing which one is which. Scum have a 1/3 chance of guessing the correct power.
No counterclaim, we have an IC, but doesn't get to use his power before he dies.
1PR: Chooses Power 2 (1/6)
Counterclaim, no way of knowing which one is which. Scum have a 1/3 chance of guessing correct power again.
No counterclaim, we have an IC, BUT we get to use his D2 power, which is very good.
1PR: Chooses Power 3 (1/6)
Counterclaim, PR can verify, scum is screwed. But we basically get into a 50/50 decision on which one we believe? Or would we be able to catch scum in a lie?
No counterclaim, we have an IC, but he doesn't get to use his power.
That's a 2/6 chance of town being put in a bad place, and a 1/6 chance of this being okay for town, assuming no counterclaim. Can scum even counterclaim if there's only one PR? That's a 2/3 chance of being caught in a lie, and an obvious one at that...
If there's 2 PRs, the math is more complicated, with the odds of having certain power. But we're only interested in if at least ONE has power 3, I think, so that's...5/9, given random odds. 5/9 this is great, but that's in 50% of cases, so 5/18.
I think with 2 PRs, counterclaims are more deadly, cause we have 1/3 instead of 1/2 catching the liar, right?
If we have 2 PRs, but no one chose power 3...(4/9 given 2 PR, 2/9 overall) then is this still good for town? Not sure on the analysis there. But they can still verify each other based on the powers they claimed.
So, 5/18 + 1/6 this is good...that's 4/9. 3/9 this is bad. 2/9 I just don't know if it's good. I guess that's better than 50% odds. Of course, counterclaiming really screws this math up, so take it with a grain of salt and feel free to disregard it.
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My main problem is that the power of claiming clearly depends on the role the PR took. If he took role #3, awesome, he should probably claim then. If he didn't, though, it's bad.
PR has more information than town as a whole, and theremore more knowledge of whether or not claiming is a potentially good idea or it could be horribly wrong. I'd rather leave claiming in the PR's hands than having town as a whole out him right now. If he thinks it's a good idea, he'll claim -- if he doesn't, he won't.
When he claims, if he does, he should NOT claim his power, but popcorn through the rest of town. I don't think this should be mandatory, though, and I'd rather leave it in the PR's hands than our hands.
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Eevee, what do you think? Does my logic make sense?
Each possible PR should consider himself on what to do....if he thinks it's a good idea, he should claim. If he doesn't, don't claim.
Blah, I could be wrong, but I just think this has the potential to screw town.
A PR's power is also knowing the opportune moment to claim. If he doesn't get to use that, but town forces him to claim, it takes away from the power, doesn't it?
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Each possible PR should consider himself on what to do....if he thinks it's a good idea, he should claim. If he doesn't, don't claim.
I think the problem with this is that some people (myself, probably Robz, I bet some of the newer players) would not make as good decisions as the best theorizers here. Like, I know I'd really need posts like yours to walk me through my decision if it was me.
But couldn't we just decide that they claim if they are 3, definitely dont if thy are 1, and use their own feel for it if they are 2?
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TA, I get your points, and it's good to look at all the options. But here are some more truths:
If our PR(s) chose Power1: they both have a 1/7 + 1/6 + 1/5 chance of being dead before D3. That's two mislynch plus the D2 mafia kill. That seems like a lot of opportunities to die.
If our PR(s) chose Power2: claiming has no effect on their chanes of using their power, because we don't lynch them on D1 and they have lots of information to use for the float test on D2. Claiming is clearly good here.
If our PR(s) chose Power3: this is the basis of my plan, so clearly it's good to claim here.
So the only worry to have with the mass claim is the Power1 issue. But I think any PRs that chose Power1 chose unwisely anyway, and is very unlikely to be of much use this game given the high likelihood that they die before using their power.
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On a side note, scum is freaking out right now. They are chatting in their QT furiously trying to figure out how to combat my plan and neglecting to act like they are town.
I think scum is definitely not posting right now. TA's posts have read exactly like scum!yuma from MnM, btw. But you aren't yuma, so I don't know what that means.
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TA, I get your points, and it's good to look at all the options. But here are some more truths:
If our PR(s) chose Power1: they both have a 1/7 + 1/6 + 1/5 chance of being dead before D3. That's two mislynch plus the D2 mafia kill. That seems like a lot of opportunities to die.
If our PR(s) chose Power2: claiming has no effect on their chanes of using their power, because we don't lynch them on D1 and they have lots of information to use for the float test on D2. Claiming is clearly good here.
If our PR(s) chose Power3: this is the basis of my plan, so clearly it's good to claim here.
So the only worry to have with the mass claim is the Power1 issue. But I think any PRs that chose Power1 chose unwisely anyway, and is very unlikely to be of much use this game given the high likelihood that they die before using their power.
Okay, power 2 and power 3 make sense to claim. Especially power 2, even more so than power 3. Power 1, I'd say don't claim.
Maybe they're quiet, or just away from their computers :p
Your plan, while I disagree it a decent amount, has given me a town read on you. Everyone else -- I have no idea. Scum's probably happy to let us argue about this without getting any actual scum hunting done.
Lurkers, get in here and talk!
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Hey guys, mass-claims for sure. Town pr(s) should definitely take power number 2 or 3, I agree that power one while powerful is super slim to be used. So mass-claim without saying your power, and depending on stuff we get 1-2 IC's for 2 days(no N1 nk) and potentially catch scum.
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Hey guys, mass-claims for sure. Town pr(s) should definitely take power number 2 or 3, I agree that power one while powerful is super slim to be used. So mass-claim without saying your power, and depending on stuff we get 1-2 IC's for 2 days(no N1 nk) and potentially catch scum.
Thank you.
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Well...then someone needs to get in here and claim PR, then....
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I'm a pr.
Ashersky and TS are now online but also top town reads, so I guess they should go last. Others, don't care so much.
(I really don't know how I should do this, instruct me please!)
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Name the next person. But popcorn might take too long? So maybe just name a list and people can go?
I am not a pr, to start off with.
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For reference:
1. Eevee - PR
2. Mcmcsalot
3. Robz888
4. Galzria
5. Insomniac
6. TwistedArcher - VT
7. Ashersky - VT
8. Xeiron
I'm pretty sure mcmc is not PR, from his post, but we'll have him confirm.
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Wait, where are Robz/Galz/Insom? I would bet any amount of money there is scum in that three. They haven't posted at all.
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Way out there bold prediction:
2 scum in Robz/Galz/Insom/Xeiron.
Mark it down!
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I claimed without having everyone even post because we need to get this game moving to avoid deadline travesties. So, everyone is so much of a noread, just claim when you get in. Or is that considerably weaker? This just shouldnt take all our time imo..
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I claimed without having everyone even post because we need to get this game moving to avoid deadline travesties. So, everyone is so much of a noread, just claim when you get in. Or is that considerably weaker? This just shouldnt take all our time imo..
The reasoning behind a popcorn style claim (or a directed claim) is that it doesn't let scum wait until the end to see what's safe to say. Not sure how important that is in this game.
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It shouldn't, since scum know exactly what everyone else is going to claim, right?
I know a lot of people are busy with the pirates mafia game, Robz and Galz in particular, but that still shouldn't be an excuse.
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I know, but on the other hand we would risk the discussion stalling while we wait for people. I think having people post and not wait for claims is a bigger advantage than forcing scum to claim earlier.
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Having scum claim earlier doesn't matter, does it? They know exactly how many claims to expect.
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Right, people should claim PR/Not PR in their very next post, or risk immediate lynch.
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Vote: Insomniac
Participation in this game is embarassing, come on people, if you're town PLEASE post! Not all you lurkers can be scum!
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Vote Count 1.2:
Eevee (2): Galzria, Xeiron
Insomniac (1): Twistedarcher
Xeiron (1): Insomniac
Robz (1): Ashersky
Not Voting: (3) Eevee, Mcmcsalot, Robz888
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
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I have literally read about 10 words out of each of the last 40 posts. Barely, barely skimmed.
Anyway, good 'ol fashion vanilla mob out to catch some witches.
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I have literally read about 10 words out of each of the last 40 posts. Barely, barely skimmed.
Anyway, good 'ol fashion vanilla mob out to catch some witches.
Claim PR / not-PR, please. We've already begun claiming and had Eevee claim.
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I have literally read about 10 words out of each of the last 40 posts. Barely, barely skimmed.
Anyway, good 'ol fashion vanilla mob out to catch some witches.
Claim PR / not-PR, please. We've already begun claiming and had Eevee claim.
That was a claim.
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I have literally read about 10 words out of each of the last 40 posts. Barely, barely skimmed.
Anyway, good 'ol fashion vanilla mob out to catch some witches.
Claim PR / not-PR, please. We've already begun claiming and had Eevee claim.
That was a claim.
D'oh, sorry
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I'm a VT. Thanks for the analysis, ash.
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I'm a VT
unvote
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For reference:
1. Eevee - PR
2. Mcmcsalot
3. Robz888 - VT
4. Galzria - VT
5. Insomniac
6. TwistedArcher - VT
7. Ashersky - VT
8. Xeiron - VT
I'm pretty sure mcmc is not PR, from his post, but we'll have him confirm.
Updated.
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Vote: insomniac
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4 hours and 45 min to deadline.
mcmc and insomniac should claim asap!
Until they do I will treat eevee as IC.
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I do not like to say this, but we should not lynch mcmc and insomniac before they claim.
If one of them are PR and we lynch them before they say anything and the witches hide their ashes and eevee are really lying scum he has pretty much won
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vote: Robz
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Modquestion: What happens if two or more persons have the same numbers of votes at deadline? (less than the number needed to lynch)
Random lynch? No lynch?
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Deadline comes smack in the middle of Australian night, so I won't be around.
Should I park my vote?
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I think we should lynch Robz or Galz.
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Ok, vote: Galzria since I am not going to be around.
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Ok, vote: Galzria since I am not going to be around.
Case: opening vote on Eevee felt forced RVS, not real RVS; lurked; forced a lot of flavor into his VT claim, which felt like trying too hard to seem like a VT who hadn't paid much attention
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/shrug
You're loss. I'm town.
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Im up now and caught up. My internet died yesterday and then I got pulled out to dinner and wasn't back until really late, suprised there is only 6 pages. If I was around I would have supported a mass claim anyways.
I am a vanilla townie.
Xeiron hasn't posted much either. so I actually like my vote where it is.
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2 hours and 30 min to deadline.
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Vote: Galzria
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Vote: Xeiron
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From the OP: 1. Whoever has the most votes currently on them at lynch deadline is lynched. In case of tie there will be no lynch.
Vote Count 1.2:
Eevee (1): Galzria
Insomniac (1): Twistedarcher
Xeiron (2): Insomniac, Galzria
Galzria (2): Ashersky, Xeiron
Not Voting: (3) Eevee, Mcmcsalot, Robz888
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
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From the OP: 1. Whoever has the most votes currently on them at lynch deadline is lynched. In case of tie there will be no lynch.
Vote Count 1.3:
Insomniac (1): Twistedarcher
Xeiron (2): Insomniac, Galzria
Galzria (2): Ashersky, Xeiron
Not Voting: (3) Eevee, Mcmcsalot, Robz888
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
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From the OP: 1. Whoever has the most votes currently on them at lynch deadline is lynched. In case of tie there will be no lynch.
Thank you, I missed that line.
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Oh maaaaaaaan. Well, here now.
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Mcmc hasnt claimed yet?
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Okay, so we will lynch insomniac today. sorry mate, with a level of activity like this, there is no strong case on anyone. I can't read you to save my life and I feel TA is towny (he is the one voting for you). this has to suck for someone, you know it's nothing personal.
someone vote for ins, please. or start posting opinions!
vote: ins
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Gotta go dark for work (wasn't expecting to start new employment until 1st. They jumped the gun on me).
Vote: Insomniac
That's 3. If ya'll switch and lynch me instead, that's fine. I won't cry too much. But I am as claimed - Vanilla Town.
I actually DO suspect Xeiron, but it's PM related and I'm not sure if PM's are public or not so I don't know if it's a real case or not - and I don't have time to check now nor do I want to break any rules. Suffice to say if I die at some point here and you see my flip, I suspect him most. Ashersky is a close second for the same reason, but gets a pass for all his theory talk.
Gotta run. Have fun!
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Vote: insomniac
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Gotta go dark for work (wasn't expecting to start new employment until 1st. They jumped the gun on me).
Vote: Insomniac
That's 3. If ya'll switch and lynch me instead, that's fine. I won't cry too much. But I am as claimed - Vanilla Town.
I actually DO suspect Xeiron, but it's PM related and I'm not sure if PM's are public or not so I don't know if it's a real case or not - and I don't have time to check now nor do I want to break any rules. Suffice to say if I die at some point here and you see my flip, I suspect him most. Ashersky is a close second for the same reason, but gets a pass for all his theory talk.
Gotta run. Have fun!
Pm's are public on page 1, post 2:
Does that clear me or does it confirm our suspicion?
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Vote Count 1.4:
Insomniac (4): Twistedarcher, Eevee, Galzria, Xeiron {L-1}
Xeiron (1): Insomniac
Galzria 1): Ashersky
Not Voting: (2) Mcmcsalot, Robz888
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Today, 1:30 pm
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Ugh.
Well, I don't really have reads on anyone this game.
I'm really okay lynching anyone at this point, because I have null reads on ALL of you. The only people I don't want to lynch are Eevee and Ashersky, since he's the only person who's really contributed at this point. I have a slight town read on Ashersky.
Eevee, I guess if you chose power #3, you might as well see if Mcmc is your brother? There's no point using it on anyone else...
Otherwise, keep your power hush hush. You're definitely the NK after D2, I'm sure, so I'm hoping you didn't choose power #1.
Actually, there may be another PR out there who didn't claim because he chose power #1 -- you're almost forced to not claim at that point..
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Xeiron seems pretty eager to jump on any bandwagon. While we're close to deadline, it's also not like we have deadline in thirty minutes or anything. So that gives me a slight scum read. Not sure what Galz is talking about with PMs, but since PMs are public, he should be able to post it?
I have a complete null read on Insom, I just voted him as a random lurker, and one I've never seen play before. I guess he's not a bad lynch, but would anyone else want to lynch Xeiron instead?
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Eevee I agree it has to suck for someone its just that I actually am around now which is more than I can say for Robz, who you know asked this game start on wednesday so he could have activity.
Anyways I really think that Robz and Xeiron are the scum here and that is where I would put my money if I had to bet the game right now. So if we do lynch me and we shouldn't thats where I think we need to look.
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To explain more of why I feel this way.
Xeiron - has been quick to all bandwagons hasn't provided much reasoning and half of his posts are fluff posts about how much time we have left to the deadline. I mean dude has literally less content than me in more posts.
Robz - specifically asked to start the game on wednesday so that he could be in. And his post count is what? 2? Ive seen lurker Robz in blitz before its nearly always scum robz.
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updating 7 wonders, I'll be back in 15
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And I mean while I don't mind being the lynch target I would prefer we lynch someone who doesn't have a 100% chance of flipping town from my perspective.
Also I would like to see some conversation on my thoughts since it seems to be the only actual scum hunting thats happened on this day 1.
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I initially got a townread from Xeiron's wagon behavior as he was sheeping RVS votes like he didn't mind any suspicion.
Basically we are so in the dark I'd rather make the decision so that we know it isn't scum influenced.
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I initially got a townread from Xeiron's wagon behavior as he was sheeping RVS votes like he didn't mind any suspicion.
Basically we are so in the dark I'd rather make the decision so that we know it isn't scum influenced.
thats fine, lets talk about my opinion though because WHEN I flip town (and I will) you'll need to take my reads seriously. Also if it comes down to a no lynch scenario I WILL vote for myself if you want me to Eevee.
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Vote Count 1.5:
xeiron (1): Insom
Insom (4): Twisted, Eevee, Galz, xeiron
Galz (1): ashersky
Not Voting: (2) Mcmcsalot, Robz888
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is Thursday at 1:30pm forum time
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Insom has a fair point now, though. Even if he's only been here for the past hour, that already makes him the 4th most active player in the game (behind myself, Ashersky, and Eevee). D2 is gonna be tough if everyone's this inactive again, and if Insom's going to be active, I'd rather keep him alive.
Call me naive, but I do believe him when he says his internet was out yesterday, and I think that's a silly reason to lynch someone, especially when it's for lurking and they're active now.
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Thanks for offering it. It just seems a little too obvious to me.. Like, it's VERY easy for scum to not attract any suspicion in a town like this, just do very little like someone else. Xeiron has been voting a lot, thus inviting attention. I think he is experienced enough to know that kind of behavior raises eyebrows. He did hammer Kooshie as town in a surprising way in bankers beware too, so being a bit erratic with your vote fits with what I know of town Xeiron.
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For now though, Vote: Robz he is online and not even paying attention to this thread.
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Insomniac's lurking has 0% bearing in my case and I absolutely do believe him about his reasons for not being here yesterday.
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Robz really should get here.
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I chose Insomniac because I wanted someone who wasn't being wagoned yet (scum is less likely to vote for their partners, so having votes is towny when the "case" against everyone is pretty much equal), and think ashersky and TA are townier because of their participations (especially ashersky). That left me with Robz or Insomniac, and I chose Ins because I feel more comfortable reading Robz (and random).
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I don't know. I can see your point about Xeiron, Eevee. He hasn't contributed anything other than (going off memory here) a support for a massclaim, a couple of sheeping votes, and a reminder about the deadline.
Would scum Xeiron sheep like that?
No: Draws attention to himself, as sheepy votes are easy to pick on. Potential makes him an easy lynch target, which scum don't want -- scum want to make more substantial posts, right? Or just nothing at all?
Yes: Well, it's better than lurking, which arguably draws MORE attention than sheeping.
I could see it both ways. Odds are he's town, of course, but argh. I think he's more likely scum than Insom.
Unvote Once again, I'll vote back if necessary, but the 3 of us online can drive a lynch on anyone. Luckily, I can basically 100% trust Eevee as he's effectively an IC (will be if/when Mcmc claims VT), and I DO trust Insom, his posts read towny who just got here instead of scumtrying to save his butt to me.
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But Eevee, you basically said you had no case on Insom. Just that we need to lynch SOMEONE. Well, I think the SOMEONE should be anyone else -- I'd rather lynch Robz, Galz, or Xeiron (not Eevee cause you're PR, not Mcmc since he COULD still be PR, although I doubt it, not Ashersky cause he's active and I have a town read).
I'm sure there's 1 scum in Robz/Galz/Xeiron -- I can't see both scum lurking like that, but I think that's our best chance to find scum today.
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We have like 30 minutes?
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I'd rather it be Insomniac still. Sorry, but you really could be scum with him, and I don't find your argument persuasive enough.
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And we have people online to push a lynch, since we just need plurality and not majority. If you really want to lynch Insom, Eevee, I'm behind you 100%, since I trust you more than anyone else, but I'd like a reason more than "we have to lynch SOMEONE, so why not Insom"
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Oh, oops, I misread your reason for voting him.
I guess I'm putting a lot of trust into you voting Insom over Robz. Are you good at reading Robz? :P
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Vote: Insomniac I guess
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Vote: Insomniac I guess
Some other insight would be fantasticulous!
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Oh, oops, I misread your reason for voting him.
I guess I'm putting a lot of trust into you voting Insom over Robz. Are you good at reading Robz? :P
Well, I feel more comfortable reading Robz than I feel reading Insomniac.
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Vote Count 1.6:
Insom (4): Eevee, Galz, xeiron, Robz
Galz (1): ashersky
Robz (1): Insom
Not Voting: (2) Mcmcsalot, Twisted
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is Thursday at 1:30pm forum time---IN 23 MINUTES
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Blah. Should I hammer or wait until deadline? I mean, are we really going to get anything more productive out of this day?
(If we're lynching Insom anyways, I'm totallyyyyyy going to hammer rather than letting him get lynched on majority, I have never gotten to hammer before :D)
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Vote: Insomniac I guess
Some other insight would be fantasticulous!
Yes, please. Do you actually think Insom is scummy, Robz, or are you just voting him so we get any lynch through?
How do you feel about everyone else? Myself? Ashersky?
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Let it go to deadline, why not? More time for people to appear and Robz to give insight.
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That's true.
How does blitz work with thread locking? We get lock, get a flip, then it opens up like immediately, right? So thread should be open by 2 pm or so?
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Yeah, I would assume so.
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I lock thread; I verify all votes are accurate; I see if liopoil's around to give flip...maybe if he's not for a while, I'll give it to you; then we open.[\color]
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Since there is so much talk about my votes, I will explain them to you.
I heard someone say eevee is a witch.
vote: eevee
RVS
Vote: insomniac
For lurking and to put pressure on insomniac for him to claim.
vote: Robz
Following my own advice to not lynch unclaimed people day one, I needed to change my vote from Insomniac.
Robz, eevee, Insomniac and myself had one vote each. I voted Robz, as I did not want to leave it a tie.
Vote: Galzria
Voted Galz, as I did not want to leave it a tie.
Vote: insomniac
Sheeping eevee.
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Any other thoughts xeiron? I know we have almost nothing, so even littlest things count here!
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Blah. Should I hammer or wait until deadline? I mean, are we really going to get anything more productive out of this day?
(If we're lynching Insom anyways, I'm totallyyyyyy going to hammer rather than letting him get lynched on majority, I have never gotten to hammer before :D)
Please wait.
I want to give mcmc all the time we can for him to claim.
If his claim does not fit with eevee's we probably want to lynch mcmc and eevee, not Insomniac.
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Blah. Should I hammer or wait until deadline? I mean, are we really going to get anything more productive out of this day?
(If we're lynching Insom anyways, I'm totallyyyyyy going to hammer rather than letting him get lynched on majority, I have never gotten to hammer before :D)
Please wait.
I want to give mcmc all the time we can for him to claim.
If his claim does not fit with eevee's we probably want to lynch mcmc and eevee, not Insomniac.
Woahhhh. No no no no no. I will not advocate lynching Eevee whatsoever. And not Mcmc either, not today at least, unless he puts in a truly awful claim.
I think we'd need more than 10 minutes to determine whether or not the claims are bogus or whether or not they fit.
Regardless, say we lynch PR, town's toast. Mcmc's smart enough to not put in an awful claim -- if he's scum, he's dealing with one PR only (Eevee). And unless he screws it up royally, we have no way to know which is which.
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9 minutes
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Say Mcmc claims, how to we determine the truthfulness of the claims? This is more of a D2 topic, but they'd have to claim their power, and see if it matches up, right? I trust Eevee more at this point (getting in to claim second PR, when there's only one, would be too easy for scum Mcmc), so I'd want Mcmc to claim his power first.
But we can discuss this D2 if he claims..
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Input from mcmc would have been great indeed, but what can you do.
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I don't think he has computer access at his new job? Its a bummer because active Mcmc is a big assset to town...
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Blah. Should I hammer or wait until deadline? I mean, are we really going to get anything more productive out of this day?
(If we're lynching Insom anyways, I'm totallyyyyyy going to hammer rather than letting him get lynched on majority, I have never gotten to hammer before :D)
Please wait.
I want to give mcmc all the time we can for him to claim.
If his claim does not fit with eevee's we probably want to lynch mcmc and eevee, not Insomniac.
Woahhhh. No no no no no. I will not advocate lynching Eevee whatsoever. And not Mcmc either, not today at least, unless he puts in a truly awful claim.
I think we'd need more than 10 minutes to determine whether or not the claims are bogus or whether or not they fit.
Regardless, say we lynch PR, town's toast. Mcmc's smart enough to not put in an awful claim -- if he's scum, he's dealing with one PR only (Eevee). And unless he screws it up royally, we have no way to know which is which.
If mcmc claims PR, and mcmc and eevee fail to tell each others role, it means one of them is scum. If thats happends I think we should lynch mcmc first (d1) since he claimed last. if he flip PR I want to lynch eevee d2, since in that scenario he is obvscum.
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Intent to hammer at 1:28.
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Would sacrificing the only PR be worth it for outing one of the two scum?
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Intent to hammer at 1:28.
I am fine with that.
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really think that robz is scum, hammer me but, he is scum.
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Also my read on ash is neutral, my read on TA is town.
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Vote: Insomniac
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THREAD LOCKED
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I'm very sure this is accurate; each player has 15 minutes from this post to correct me.
Vote Count 1.Final:
LYNCHED--Insom (5): Eevee, Galz, xeiron, Robz, Twisted
Galz (1): ashersky
Robz (1): Insom
Not Voting: (1) Mcmcsalot
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is Thursday at 1:30pm forum time
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The mob of Eevee, Galz, xeiron, Robz, and TA had come to a consensus. Insomniac must be a witch. TA asked, "Tell me, what do we do with witches?" "BURN THEM!" the mob emphatically replied. And so Insomniac died a fiery death. However, his ashes were nowhere to be found! They've been hidden! You'll never know if Insomniac was a witch or not I suppose...
The witches chose the Hide the ashes power pre-game. The D1 flip has been hidden.
The remaining players, unsatisfied with just one burning, know that at least one of their own is a witch. They set out to burn another ...
Vote Count 2.0:
Not Voting: (7) mcmcsalot, TA, Eevee, Galzria, Xeiron, Robz888, Ashersky
Deadline: Friday 7:30pm
D2 start!
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(mines prettier :P)
Day 1 End
The mob of Eevee, Galzria, xeiron, Robz, and Twistedarcher had come to a consensus. Insomniac must be a witch. Twistedarcher asked, "tell me, what do we do with witches?" "BURN THEM!" the mob emphatically replied. And so Insomniac died a fiery death. However, their ashes were nowhere to be found! They've been hidden! You'll never know if Insomniac was a witch or not I suppose...
The witches chose the Hide the ashes power pre-game. The D1 flip has been hidden.
The remaining players, unsatisfied with just one burning, know that at least one of their own is a witch. They set out to burn another
Day 2 Start--THREAD UNLOCKED
Vote Count 2.1:
Not Voting: (7) ashersky, Eevee, Galzria, Mcmcsalot, Twistedarcher, Robz, xeiron
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is Friday at 7:30pm forum time
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My guess is that Insom is town...no way the bandwagon gets going that quickly on a scum, right?
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My guess is that Insom is town...no way the bandwagon gets going that quickly on a scum, right?
I disagree. Once I picked Ins, he was gone.
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My guess is that Insom is town...no way the bandwagon gets going that quickly on a scum, right?
I disagree. Once I picked Ins, he was gone.
True, and to be fair, that's the reason I went along with it. I disagreed, but there was so little to go off of anywhere else.
So, if he's scum, you think the second scum was on-wagon? Or a lurker who didn't vote?
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Oh, fascinating. You know, I don't think we have ever seen this hidden flip power in any of our mafia games.
Insomniac is PROBABLY town, though.
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Eevee, you have a LOT of power this game, town's fate is basically in your hands (no pressure!!)
You're also dead after today. Once Mcmc gets in here and claims, you should claim your power as well. I'm hoping you chose the second choice.
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I think everyone regardless of alignment has to join or support the lynch once I want it. If he is scum, I think you are his most likely scumbuddy due to slightly opposing it, but that's all pretty moot as we don't know the flip..
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Oh, fascinating. You know, I don't think we have ever seen this hidden flip power in any of our mafia games.
Insomniac is PROBABLY town, though.
Yeah, most of the players are.
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Eevee, you have a LOT of power this game, town's fate is basically in your hands (no pressure!!)
You're also dead after today. Once Mcmc gets in here and claims, you should claim your power as well. I'm hoping you chose the second choice.
This will obviously happen.
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I'd put my vote on a lurker, but I think it's pretty pointless to vote anyone until after we know Eevee's power, as that will change the complexion of the game.
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I think everyone regardless of alignment has to join or support the lynch once I want it. If he is scum, I think you are his most likely scumbuddy due to slightly opposing it, but that's all pretty moot as we don't know the flip..
I opposed it because I thought he would become an active player. WIth this game moving SO slowly, and with there being so few posts, I'd rather not lynch someone I thought would be active. Xeiron's votes also seemed slightly scummier.
For a random lynch, Insom wasn't the one I approved -- I would have rather lynched Robz or Galz for lurking, or Xeiron as being slightly scummier.
I got on board once I saw that you had an actual reason (not a great one, but whatever, I have to trust your judgement this game!), but I opposed it as the random lynch of choice.
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It's all moot as we don't know Insomniac's alignment, but I am a bit more wary of you than I originally was. (I also found ashersky's theory talk townier than yours.)
Everyone should try to pick their activity level up though!
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Fair enough, I'm happy to answer any questions you have! I don't know why Ashersky's theory talk was townier than mine, especially as I tohught you didn't understand a lot of it :P But I was just extremely cautious about the plan, as the potential to royally screw town was a bit too high for my tastes. It seems like it was probably (?) a good call though?
Agree on the activity level! Post, people! Mcmc, please come make your claim so we can get a move on with things!
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I am here and would like to be active, but I cannot find anything to contribute with as we are all waiting for mcmc to claim.
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Yeah, it's tough.
TS, I don't know. The plan was originally ashersky's idea, so he gets more points from that. Man, not having Insomniac's flip is surprisingly hard.
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Yeah...it leaves us in a pretty similar situation to D1, at least for now. The problem with your proclaiming that he was the target is that it unfortunately leaves us with a lot less bandwagon analysis -- we had ONE bandwagon D1.
Is blitz usually this slow?
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It is not. I think the starting time was a bit unfortunate probably maybe? Also, the setup might be too complicated for blitz.
Anyways, mcmc is online!
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Posting to confirm that the end of Day 1 was executed correctly.
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Yeah, the pirates game is looking really tense, with 4/7 of out players alive in it.
mcmc, get in here and claim!!
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Eevee, full claim time. What do you know? Help us now as we lose you tomorrow.
FYI, had the deadline not been the middle of the night, I probably would have switched to X. Would not have voted for Ins.
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We still dont have a claim from mcmc.
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We still dont have a claim from mcmc.
Given his one post response to my plan, I believe he's claiming VT.
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We still dont have a claim from mcmc.
But more so, if you used your power, tell us the results. I don't think your power relies on mcmc claiming since it's D2 now.
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Right, but if Eevee reveals his power, that leaves the door open for a counter-claim from scum Mcmc, saying "Oh yeah, I took this power, and it says my partner took (whichever Eevee took)
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We still dont have a claim from mcmc.
But more so, if you used your power, tell us the results. I don't think your power relies on mcmc claiming since it's D2 now.
If eevee claims now, then scum! Mcmc can claim without danger when he arrives as he no longer can be tried in guessing eevee's choice.
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Vote: Mcmc
This is getting ridiculous.
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I think you should go ahead and just use your power, Eevee. We're getting to the point where we're going to have to randomly lynch D2, which is just awful again. Mcmc claim aside, we need to get this game moving.
Grr, town....why sign up if you're not going to play. This looks like an awesome setup and one that would be fun to play, but we need to actually play it!
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Day 2 on Page 10 of a blitz game is kind of sad.
I literally have no strong reads. Janitor is a super strong thing -- I did say I expected scum to choose it because of the situation it puts us in.
Town's only chance here is Eevee using his power in an awesome way.
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Yes. He has to have picked the correct power, then pick the correct group of 3 and hopefully frame 2 scum in one go.
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Exhausted and going to sleep. Back in 7 hours!
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Vote Count 2.2:
Mcmcsalot (1): Twistedarcher
Not Voting: (2) Mcmcsalot, Eevee, Xeiron, Ashersky, Galzria, Robz888
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is Friday at 7:30pm forum time
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Yes. He has to have picked the correct power, then pick the correct group of 3 and hopefully frame 2 scum in one go.
No, he should aim to frame 3 townees in one go.
There may not be 2 scum as insomniac could be one.
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Yes. He has to have picked the correct power, then pick the correct group of 3 and hopefully frame 2 scum in one go.
No, he should aim to frame 3 townees in one go.
There may not be 2 scum as insomniac could be one.
If Eevee is telling the truth, finding three townies would be big. I do think choosing his top three town reads makes sense. I'd do me, TA, and mcmc.
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I haven't reread I'm sosososo sorry, I am a vt.
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I haven't reread I'm sosososo sorry, I am a vt.
Thank you.
That means we can finally conclude that eevee is IC.
Eevee, what is your power?
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Eevee, what is your power?
I think it is frustrating us by still being asleep.
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Number two. Sadly exaxtly one of xeiron, TA and ashersky is a witch. Crap.
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Number two. Sadly exaxtly one of xeiron, TA and ashersky is a witch. Crap.
vote: xeiron
I have a town read on TA.
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Number two. Sadly exaxtly one of xeiron, TA and ashersky is a witch. Crap.
Then we should lynch among these three.
My immediate reaction is that TA as scum.
I will do a re-read and see what I can find.
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Ok. So one of ashersky and xeiron is a witch. I'm leaning xeiron but there's soooo little to go on.
Also probably one of robz galzria and mcmc is a witch OR insomniac was a witch.
Ash, do you have a scum read on xeiron at all? I'd rather lynch one of you two since its 50/50. I also have a town read on you and would prefer xeiron currently. And I find him ever so slightly scummy but there's just so little to go on...
unvote btw
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If ins was town, two of robz, mcmc and galz are scum. If scum, then one of them is.
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If ins was town, two of robz, mcmc and galz are scum. If scum, then one of them is.
uhm wait no just 2 scum, what am I thinking
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Vote Count 2.3:
xeiron (1): ashersky
Not Voting: (1) Mcmcsalot, ashersky, Eevee, Galz, xeiron, Robz, Twisted
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is Friday at 7:30pm forum time
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correction:
Vote Count 2.3:
xeiron (1): ashersky
Not Voting: (6) Mcmcsalot, Eevee, Galz, xeiron, Robz, Twisted
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is Friday at 7:30pm forum time
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3 scum would be brutallll.
I think one of Mcmc/Galz/Robz is scum, but I think it's safer to lynch from myself/Ashersky/Xeiron. So those 3 get a pass for today, and hopefully we hit scum and make 2 IC today.
If we hit scum town basically wins:
Either we win off the bat (I still think Insom was town though) or we have 3 IC, 2 non-IC town, 1 Scum. Tomorrow we'll have 2 IC, 2 non-IC town, 1 scum. So scum would need to be last of Mcmc/Galz/Robz to survive if they want to win.
So, we need to hit scum today!
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Just did a re-read on Xeiron (it took about 3 minutes...). Not a lot there. The only thing that even slightly stuck out is below, but even this isn't much.
Ashersky seems towny to me. I don't understand the setup well enough to make a decision on whether he is correct though. (No inclinations to believe either way, I do think liopoil made a lot of effort to make this balanced, and day 1 massclaims usually arent favorable in balanced setups).
As I understand the setup there are one or two powerroles that choses an power. They are told what the other PR chose. If there are only one PR, scum choose what the PR is told the other PR chose. As far as i know scum is never told what the PR chooses, and this -together with no nk night one- is what i wants us take advantage of.
This is probably nothing, but maybe it's trying to deflect from having known the setup previously? In sort of a "hey guys, I don't completely understand the setup since I'm not a witch, but I have read it and know all about it" way.
But, like I said, it's not a lot.
There's also the votes -- the weirdest one was probably the vote on Galz, which he made immediately after Galz posted, to "break a tie" (also the same reason he voted Robz). Weird, but not damning. There's just not a lot here to go on. I'll go back and read Ashersky now.
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Just re-read Ashersky, as well. Get a mostly towny-vibe for the theory, and for his activity. I haven't at any point read a post by him and thought "hmm, that was scummy".
I also agree with hide the ashes. Why is Dress up good? It is a dangerous choice as it can backfire by targeting a witch.
Because the janitor thing is big, I think. With only one PR, the chance of creating confusion is greater, by design. I think scum wants town to be as confused as possible, while town PR's job is to unconfuse us as best they can.
Also, if I'm scum and I know there's only one PR, I'm DEFINITELY fake-claiming town PR. The chances the real town PR took the "see if you have a PR friend" power are low, in my estimation.
Not sure if this is WIFOM or what, if Ashersky's scum. Obviously, given that he was the first to claim VT, he couldn't fake-claim PR, but would his partner have?
Trying to determine if, knowing that there's one PR instead of two, mass-claiming is a good idea for scum. You don't want to do it with 2 PR, since that's two targets you have, unless you want to make one the lynch target D1. I think a massclaim with 1 PR is better than a massclaim with 2 PR, since you have more opportunity to counter-claim and to kill the one IC. But man, I don't know. A lot of this isn't actually scummy, it's just "what would scum Ashersky do". There's definite possibilities he's scum, but I'd lean Xeiron.
Vote: Xeiron
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Galz, you mentioned that you thought Xeiron was scummy, followed by Ashersky, due to something about the PMs. Care to elaborate, if you can? Also, is it negated by the fact that they can't both be scum?
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Sorry. Was coaching last night and fell in the final inning 15-14. The ump'ing was terrible, and while our team didn't play perfect ball (so I cannot lay the blame directly on the Umps...), they did directly cost us at least 4 runs. I felt like doing nothing else except steaming after last nights game.
Anyway, rant over, what I had on them is nothing. It only mattered if PM's were private, because of the wording used in the PM's, which I more or less copied in my first RVS post of the game:
Points at Eevee
"He's a Witch!"
Vote: Eevee
If the PM's weren't public, anybody with a town PM would've realized this was just following instructions from our own PM. Thus anybody wanting to lynch me would mean they didn't get the "inside" reference. Since PM's are public though, the point is moot.
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Sorry to hear about your game, Galz. Hopefully next time the breaks will fall your way!
Deadline's in like 3 hours...come on guys, we need some activity. Everyone should be voting for one of myself/Ash/Xeiron shortly.
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Well, I thought lynch was at 3 pm for some reason. I really have no idea why. Scratch that last post.
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I'm thinking either Xeiron or TA. Why should I go for the other guy?
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I'm thinking either Xeiron or TA. Why should I go for the other guy?
What do you think of the idea that Ashersky, as scum, set this whole thing up just to out you? Scum may very well have been planning on claiming VT the whole time. Now that he knows for certain that you're the IC, you're easy pickings. It's easy to give town!cred to an idea that works... in theory - but if he's scum that town!cred gets him completely ignored. How many more mislynches would he need for us to make to win?
Eh, just my take on it. I don't trust trusting anybody. :P Especially when they so... "naturally" have a great understanding of a setup.
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Because I'm not a witch!
Seriously, though, I'm voting for Xeiron because while he hasn't been all that scummy, he hasn't been as towny as Ashersky has. His voting has been slightly off -- he should know that he doesn't have to break ties (which was the justification for Robz and Galz votes) that far in advance of the deadline.
I really don't have any case on Xeiron, since there's been so little posting this game and there's so little wagon analysis to do from D1, but I just think he's more likely scum than Ashersky.
This doesn't really answer your question though :( But there's just not a lot for me to work with to convince you, unfortunately.
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ashersky tends to come up with these plans, knowledge of the setup isn't a scumtell for him I don't think.
However, I do realize he could be scum. I don't know what I can do about that, we need to make a judgement call and that's the read I'm most comfortable with.
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ashersky tends to come up with these plans, knowledge of the setup isn't a scumtell for him I don't think.
However, I do realize he could be scum. I don't know what I can do about that, we need to make a judgement call and that's the read I'm most comfortable with.
Eh, ok. I guess I just naturally see things in an opposite light.
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I'm thinking either Xeiron or TA. Why should I go for the other guy?
What do you think of the idea that Ashersky, as scum, set this whole thing up just to out you? Scum may very well have been planning on claiming VT the whole time. Now that he knows for certain that you're the IC, you're easy pickings. It's easy to give town!cred to an idea that works... in theory - but if he's scum that town!cred gets him completely ignored. How many more mislynches would he need for us to make to win?
Eh, just my take on it. I don't trust trusting anybody. :P Especially when they so... "naturally" have a great understanding of a setup.
I think scum needs 2 mislynches to win. 5/2 currently, mislynch breaks us to 3/2 D3, then it's lylo or mylo or I still don't understand the difference between the 2.
Hmm. So if Ashersky's scum, he knows there's only 1 PR. He knows PR will be outed, and that he won't have to worry about any ICs past day 2.
He DID try to name the team that Eevee would investigate -- myself/Ashersky/mcmc. Maybe he knew this would result in one scum, meaning there's 1 scum among Galz/Robz/Xeiron (unless Insom is the second scum).
So this logic would result in either an Ashersky/Galz or Ashersky/Robz team. And really, while it would be nice if Insom was the scum, we should probably assume he isn't, right? Just to make sure.
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Here now.
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Here now.
Thoughts on who the scum is?
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Here now.
Thoughts on who the scum is?
Among me/Xeiron/Ash, specifically.
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Eevee says he knows how to use science! The mob discusses the meaning of this new technology
Vote Count 2.4:
Xeiron (2): Ashersky, TwistedArcher
Not Voting (5): Eevee, Mcmcsalot, Galzria, Xeiron, Robz888
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is tonight at 7:30pm forum time
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Eevee says he knows how to use science! The mob discusses the meaning of this new technology
Vote Count 2.4:
Xeiron (2): Ashersky, TwistedArcher
Not Voting (5): Eevee, Mcmcsalot, Galzria, Xeiron, Robz888
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is tonight at 7:30pm forum time
Eevee, how likely do you think it is that both townies in your set of Ash/Xei/TA would together quickly jump on the one scum in the group? How likely do you think it is that Xeiron is one of the two townies, and 1 scum / 1 town jumped on him?
I guess basically I'm asking: Is it more likely that Ash/TA = town, voting for Xeiron scum, or is it more likely that Xeiron = town, with 1 scum 1 town voting for him?
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Eevee says he knows how to use science! The mob discusses the meaning of this new technology
Vote Count 2.4:
Xeiron (2): Ashersky, TwistedArcher
Not Voting (5): Eevee, Mcmcsalot, Galzria, Xeiron, Robz888
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is tonight at 7:30pm forum time
Eevee, how likely do you think it is that both townies in your set of Ash/Xei/TA would together quickly jump on the one scum in the group? How likely do you think it is that Xeiron is one of the two townies, and 1 scum / 1 town jumped on him?
I guess basically I'm asking: Is it more likely that Ash/TA = town, voting for Xeiron scum, or is it more likely that Xeiron = town, with 1 scum 1 town voting for him?
I personally find the second more likely, as I don't think two individual town members both come to the same conclusion so quickly and easily. Granted, you've given Ash a free pass (that I don't agree with, but accept why) - and if TA simply accepts your logic than Xeiron must be scum. Still, I personally find it rather more unlikely that both are town than that one is town and the other scum.
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Eevee says he knows how to use science! The mob discusses the meaning of this new technology
Vote Count 2.4:
Xeiron (2): Ashersky, TwistedArcher
Not Voting (5): Eevee, Mcmcsalot, Galzria, Xeiron, Robz888
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is tonight at 7:30pm forum time
Eevee, how likely do you think it is that both townies in your set of Ash/Xei/TA would together quickly jump on the one scum in the group? How likely do you think it is that Xeiron is one of the two townies, and 1 scum / 1 town jumped on him?
I guess basically I'm asking: Is it more likely that Ash/TA = town, voting for Xeiron scum, or is it more likely that Xeiron = town, with 1 scum 1 town voting for him?
I personally find the second more likely, as I don't think two individual town members both come to the same conclusion so quickly and easily. Granted, you've given Ash a free pass (that I don't agree with, but accept why) - and if TA simply accepts your logic than Xeiron must be scum. Still, I personally find it rather more unlikely that both are town than that one is town and the other scum.
I voted for Xeiron mostly because I have a town read on Ashersky -- Xeiron's done some slightly scummy things, but there's not a whole lot there, as I've said. Ashersky also voted Xeiron because he thought I was towny. Interestingly enough, we haven't come to the same conclusion about Xeiron's scumminess, but rather done it by process of elimination.
I would like to hear Ashersky talk about Xeiron's scumminess and if there's anything there.
My finding Ash towny has very little to do with Eevee finding Ash towny, in the sense that I'm not sheeping his town-read, it's my own town read. I trust my own reads more than I trust Eevee's, because I have more information than Eevee (I know what he is, and I know what I am, while he only knows what he is.) I probably should have fought the Insomniac lynch more, and not accepted Eevee's read, but I wasn't going to change anything, with everyone else sheeping his read.
I also find it interesting so many people were okay following Eevee's read without putting in their own input. I'm guessing it's more down to inactivity than anything else, but Ashersky saying he wouldn't vote for Insomniac reads towny to me, if it's not BS, which I don't think it is.
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Yes. He has to have picked the correct power, then pick the correct group of 3 and hopefully frame 2 scum in one go.
No, he should aim to frame 3 townees in one go.
There may not be 2 scum as insomniac could be one.
If Eevee is telling the truth, finding three townies would be big. I do think choosing his top three town reads makes sense. I'd do me, TA, and mcmc.
Actually, this is really strange, stranger than I thought as first glance.
Why on earth is Mcmc one of your top town reads, Ash? He has TWO posts all game. Only ONE post before this. Eevee never expressed a town read on Mcmc whatsoever. Putting Mcmc on that list is really strange, as if you want to get two townies in the same group with you, so that you don't have either 0 or 2 scum results, both of which devastate town.
This is...weirder than anything else I've seen this game, I think. Why do you have a town read on Mcmc?
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Okay, not going to be Xeiron. Either TA for ashersky's earlier towny stuff or ashersky for the weird mcmc read.
Ashersky, why the townread on mcmc?
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3 hours to go!
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I'm on a train until 8 pm and I only have 15% on my phone so I'm gonna power down until like 7 or so :( ill be back at 7 or a bit before.
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I was writing on a longer case on TA until battery died, making me lose all my writing.
This time I will start with the short version: vote: ashersky
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I was writing on a longer case on TA until battery died, making me lose all my writing.
This time I will start with the short version: vote: ashersky
This post confuses me.
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I have three things to say about TA's post.
1. He has suprisingly little useful content in his many posts. I wont blame him, as we made a plan early in the game, and then had to wait a long time before eveyone claimed, leaving us with little to do. I do, however, get the feeling that TA has a personal goal of being the top contributer, thus all his post when there are nothing to be said. Could indicate scum looking for towncred.
2. TA writes clean accurate posts that are thought through. Does not imply scum, but being scum often imply that you think through your posts.
Makes a contrast to Asherskys sloppy inaccurate posts.
3. He is defending Insomniac.
See post 168, 174, 175, 209.
He makes it clear he want to lynch someone else.
If TA is scum then Insomiac is a likely partner.
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Here is the Catch.
If Insomiac is scum. We have won.
We can afford two mislynces among TA, Ashersky and myself. The third one is 100% scum thanks to eevee.
This means we do not have to prioritize Insomniacs scumpartners. We will get them anyway.
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There are 7 alive. If we mislynch here, scum kill Eevee (It's now D2). That means there will be 5 alive tomorrow. If Insomniac was not scum, that means we consist of 3 town, 2 scum. We cannot mislynch at that point. That means we have just one mislynch.
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vote: ashersky
You all are ridiculous. Remind me to just never ever try as town because this is what you do.
Galzria and one of TA/X is your team. I'm done.
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not allowed ashersky, get back here.
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Vote: TwistedArcher and everyone sheep me, this is what we'll do today.
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My case on Ashersky.
The thing that jumps out when reading ashersky is his inacurate posts.
He has a number of errors in his claims about the setup, guesses about scum and PR choices.
Almost all of this is stuff he would know for sure if he is scum.
#67. Scum will pick Dress up with one PR.- would know as scum.
#74. Claims scum should fake claim.
#75. Confuses the choice number in PR-pm.
#80. Seems not to notice the lack of NK after d1.
#89. And #99. Claims no nk exists in the game. Would know as scum. Could know as town
#93 claims both pr choses the same power.
Would probably know as scum.
All this gives the impression that ash do not double check his facts before posting. Scum usually do double check posts. Some town points here.
There migth be a possibility that ash is playing stupid by deliberatly posting stuff he would know is wrong as scum in order to gain towncred.
There is also a possibility that he just did not read the setup to every detail. I am not sure what I believe.
Some scummy posts:
See post #81. How many times exactly did you have to read "you are a town-aligned vanilla mob-member" before you knew you were town.
And why did this post come right after someone quoted a pm bringing attention to the pms at the front post?
#110 when did ash read the scum QT? Joking aside. This can be scum-ash casting suspicion on the lurkers.
#78 Here i have question for everybody. Is it common to not read the setup befor a game? I always do and I therfore react when Ash claims that he did not.
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Conclusion.
I find TA more scummy than ash, but because I think insomn is the one most likely to be TA's scumbuddy I think an Ash lynch gives us the best winning chances.
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Vote: TwistedArcher and everyone sheep me, this is what we'll do today.
Care to give us an explanation. I think an ash lynch is bettet
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Vote: TA
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Vote Count 2.5:
xeiron (1): Twisted
ashersky (2): xeiron, ashersky
Twisted (2): Eevee, Galzria
Not Voting: (2) Mcmcsalot, Robz
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is Friday at 7:30pm forum time
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Here now. Yay outlets.
Eevee, I think you're misusing IC. Allowing everyone to absolve themselves from having a reason to bandwagon is bad. If I flip town, how are you going to be able to analyze the bandwagon?
Ash, come bak and vote xeiron. He's had some scummy posts this page.
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Conclusion.
I find TA more scummy than ash, but because I think insomn is the one most likely to be TA's scumbuddy I think an Ash lynch gives us the best winning chances.
This one and 279 are xeiron going for the win. Scum needs two mislynches if insomniac is town. This is basically giving reasons for both of them.
Galz and eevee said they didn't want xeiron lynched. He's now lining up me and ashersky.
Assuming insomnia is scum is a HUGE assumption. We have to assume otherwise. We have to assume there's 2 scum left and thn let ourselves be pleasantly surprised if were wrong.
Xeiron is banking on the town cred you just gave him for the win. He doesn't care which of me and ash gets lynched so he's giving reasons for us both. "I find TA scummier but I'd rather lynch ash". How does that make sense? He's going to lynch ash now then turn to me when ash shows up town.
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I have three things to say about TA's post.
1. He has suprisingly little useful content in his many posts. I wont blame him, as we made a plan early in the game, and then had to wait a long time before eveyone claimed, leaving us with little to do. I do, however, get the feeling that TA has a personal goal of being the top contributer, thus all his post when there are nothing to be said. Could indicate scum looking for towncred.
2. TA writes clean accurate posts that are thought through. Does not imply scum, but being scum often imply that you think through your posts.
Makes a contrast to Asherskys sloppy inaccurate posts.
3. He is defending Insomniac.
See post 168, 174, 175, 209.
He makes it clear he want to lynch someone else.
If TA is scum then Insomiac is a likely partner.
These are weak reasons. I have more content than most this game, you can't dispute that. I have also been the highest poster in every game I've been in its just how I play. If you also find writing clear reasonable posts a scum trait...then idk what to tell you. Everyone scum or town should write clear posts!!!
I defend insom cause I think he was town. Ashersky also said he thought insom was own and wouldn't have lynched him. Why call me out but not him? I think insom is town because no one defended him. I know I'm town, and if insom was scum he would have fought more and someone would have made a case somewhere else. I realize this fits me but this is why I think insom was town.
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Eevee if you're going to bring towns wrath upon me you need to give a better reason. You should guide the town yes but you have only one vote, not 7. Convince people why I'm scum don't just say we're lynching TA today. We still have an hour.
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Ash why are you so frustrated? I get that's its been inactive but we need you around to win this game!
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Reminder:
there is 1 hour until the deadline. (7:30) At the deadline, the player with the most votes will be burned. In case of a tie, a no lynch will occur.
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Conclusion.
I find TA more scummy than ash, but because I think insomn is the one most likely to be TA's scumbuddy I think an Ash lynch gives us the best winning chances.
This one and 279 are xeiron going for the win. Scum needs two mislynches if insomniac is town. This is basically giving reasons for both of them.
Galz and eevee said they didn't want xeiron lynched. He's now lining up me and ashersky.
Assuming insomnia is scum is a HUGE assumption. We have to assume otherwise. We have to assume there's 2 scum left and thn let ourselves be pleasantly surprised if were wrong.
Xeiron is banking on the town cred you just gave him for the win. He doesn't care which of me and ash gets lynched so he's giving reasons for us both. "I find TA scummier but I'd rather lynch ash". How does that make sense? He's going to lynch ash now then turn to me when ash shows up town.
I am not assuming insomniac is scum. I am saying that if you are scum, then insomniac is your most likely scumpartner. And if the two of you are scumpair it wont matter if we lynch ashersky. It also wont matter if we lynch me next. If I am right about TA and Insomn we win anyhow.
If the scumteam is Ash and Galzria (or robz or mcmc). It will matter if we lynch TA now.
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Conclusion.
I find TA more scummy than ash, but because I think insomn is the one most likely to be TA's scumbuddy I think an Ash lynch gives us the best winning chances.
This one and 279 are xeiron going for the win. Scum needs two mislynches if insomniac is town. This is basically giving reasons for both of them.
Galz and eevee said they didn't want xeiron lynched. He's now lining up me and ashersky.
Assuming insomnia is scum is a HUGE assumption. We have to assume otherwise. We have to assume there's 2 scum left and thn let ourselves be pleasantly surprised if were wrong.
Xeiron is banking on the town cred you just gave him for the win. He doesn't care which of me and ash gets lynched so he's giving reasons for us both. "I find TA scummier but I'd rather lynch ash". How does that make sense? He's going to lynch ash now then turn to me when ash shows up town.
I am not assuming insomniac is scum. I am saying that if you are scum, then insomniac is your most likely scumpartner. And if the two of you are scumpair it wont matter if we lynch ashersky. It also wont matter if we lynch me next. If I am right about TA and Insomn we win anyhow.
If the scumteam is Ash and Galzria (or robz or mcmc). It will matter if we lynch TA now.
Vote: Xeiron. I bolder your scum slip for you. Eevee confirmed exactly ONE scum in the three.
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Conclusion.
I find TA more scummy than ash, but because I think insomn is the one most likely to be TA's scumbuddy I think an Ash lynch gives us the best winning chances.
This one and 279 are xeiron going for the win. Scum needs two mislynches if insomniac is town. This is basically giving reasons for both of them.
Galz and eevee said they didn't want xeiron lynched. He's now lining up me and ashersky.
Assuming insomnia is scum is a HUGE assumption. We have to assume otherwise. We have to assume there's 2 scum left and thn let ourselves be pleasantly surprised if were wrong.
Xeiron is banking on the town cred you just gave him for the win. He doesn't care which of me and ash gets lynched so he's giving reasons for us both. "I find TA scummier but I'd rather lynch ash". How does that make sense? He's going to lynch ash now then turn to me when ash shows up town.
I am not assuming insomniac is scum. I am saying that if you are scum, then insomniac is your most likely scumpartner. And if the two of you are scumpair it wont matter if we lynch ashersky. It also wont matter if we lynch me next. If I am right about TA and Insomn we win anyhow.
If the scumteam is Ash and Galzria (or robz or mcmc). It will matter if we lynch TA now.
And if the scum team is you and galz/robz/mcmc this is the perfect plan.
I want to find scum NOW. I'm so confused that you don't want to find scum now. I'm confused you are locked in on if TA=scum then insom = scum is sooo misleading.
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Conclusion.
I find TA more scummy than ash, but because I think insomn is the one most likely to be TA's scumbuddy I think an Ash lynch gives us the best winning chances.
This one and 279 are xeiron going for the win. Scum needs two mislynches if insomniac is town. This is basically giving reasons for both of them.
Galz and eevee said they didn't want xeiron lynched. He's now lining up me and ashersky.
Assuming insomnia is scum is a HUGE assumption. We have to assume otherwise. We have to assume there's 2 scum left and thn let ourselves be pleasantly surprised if were wrong.
Xeiron is banking on the town cred you just gave him for the win. He doesn't care which of me and ash gets lynched so he's giving reasons for us both. "I find TA scummier but I'd rather lynch ash". How does that make sense? He's going to lynch ash now then turn to me when ash shows up town.
I am not assuming insomniac is scum. I am saying that if you are scum, then insomniac is your most likely scumpartner. And if the two of you are scumpair it wont matter if we lynch ashersky. It also wont matter if we lynch me next. If I am right about TA and Insomn we win anyhow.
If the scumteam is Ash and Galzria (or robz or mcmc). It will matter if we lynch TA now.
Vote: Xeiron. I bolder your scum slip for you. Eevee confirmed exactly ONE scum in the three.
Not a scum slip I think. He means if me and insom are scum pair then town will still win despite lunching you.
Actually if insom is scum town wins regardless I thonk
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Conclusion.
I find TA more scummy than ash, but because I think insomn is the one most likely to be TA's scumbuddy I think an Ash lynch gives us the best winning chances.
This one and 279 are xeiron going for the win. Scum needs two mislynches if insomniac is town. This is basically giving reasons for both of them.
Galz and eevee said they didn't want xeiron lynched. He's now lining up me and ashersky.
Assuming insomnia is scum is a HUGE assumption. We have to assume otherwise. We have to assume there's 2 scum left and thn let ourselves be pleasantly surprised if were wrong.
Xeiron is banking on the town cred you just gave him for the win. He doesn't care which of me and ash gets lynched so he's giving reasons for us both. "I find TA scummier but I'd rather lynch ash". How does that make sense? He's going to lynch ash now then turn to me when ash shows up town.
I am not assuming insomniac is scum. I am saying that if you are scum, then insomniac is your most likely scumpartner. And if the two of you are scumpair it wont matter if we lynch ashersky. It also wont matter if we lynch me next. If I am right about TA and Insomn we win anyhow.
If the scumteam is Ash and Galzria (or robz or mcmc). It will matter if we lynch TA now.
Vote: Xeiron. I bolder your scum slip for you. Eevee confirmed exactly ONE scum in the three.
If TA and Insomniac is a scumpair, then we can lynch ashersky now and still win 100% of the time.
Sorry if that was not clear.
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Why is he voting for me? Banking on it being me and Insom?
Whatever. This game is over if we mislynch here.
Mcmc is town, though. Scum mcmc would have 100 posts by now.
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Conclusion.
I find TA more scummy than ash, but because I think insomn is the one most likely to be TA's scumbuddy I think an Ash lynch gives us the best winning chances.
This one and 279 are xeiron going for the win. Scum needs two mislynches if insomniac is town. This is basically giving reasons for both of them.
Galz and eevee said they didn't want xeiron lynched. He's now lining up me and ashersky.
Assuming insomnia is scum is a HUGE assumption. We have to assume otherwise. We have to assume there's 2 scum left and thn let ourselves be pleasantly surprised if were wrong.
Xeiron is banking on the town cred you just gave him for the win. He doesn't care which of me and ash gets lynched so he's giving reasons for us both. "I find TA scummier but I'd rather lynch ash". How does that make sense? He's going to lynch ash now then turn to me when ash shows up town.
I am not assuming insomniac is scum. I am saying that if you are scum, then insomniac is your most likely scumpartner. And if the two of you are scumpair it wont matter if we lynch ashersky. It also wont matter if we lynch me next. If I am right about TA and Insomn we win anyhow.
If the scumteam is Ash and Galzria (or robz or mcmc). It will matter if we lynch TA now.
Vote: Xeiron. I bolder your scum slip for you. Eevee confirmed exactly ONE scum in the three.
If TA and Insomniac is a scumpair, then we can lynch ashersky now and still win 100% of the time.
Sorry if that was not clear.
Huh? So if we lynch town we win 100% of the time? That makes zero sense. Lynch me, then what? Two scum still alive dude.
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Conclusion.
I find TA more scummy than ash, but because I think insomn is the one most likely to be TA's scumbuddy I think an Ash lynch gives us the best winning chances.
This one and 279 are xeiron going for the win. Scum needs two mislynches if insomniac is town. This is basically giving reasons for both of them.
Galz and eevee said they didn't want xeiron lynched. He's now lining up me and ashersky.
Assuming insomnia is scum is a HUGE assumption. We have to assume otherwise. We have to assume there's 2 scum left and thn let ourselves be pleasantly surprised if were wrong.
Xeiron is banking on the town cred you just gave him for the win. He doesn't care which of me and ash gets lynched so he's giving reasons for us both. "I find TA scummier but I'd rather lynch ash". How does that make sense? He's going to lynch ash now then turn to me when ash shows up town.
I am not assuming insomniac is scum. I am saying that if you are scum, then insomniac is your most likely scumpartner. And if the two of you are scumpair it wont matter if we lynch ashersky. It also wont matter if we lynch me next. If I am right about TA and Insomn we win anyhow.
If the scumteam is Ash and Galzria (or robz or mcmc). It will matter if we lynch TA now.
Vote: Xeiron. I bolder your scum slip for you. Eevee confirmed exactly ONE scum in the three.
Not a scum slip I think. He means if me and insom are scum pair then town will still win despite lunching you.
Actually if insom is scum town wins regardless I thonk
Correct.
Since i find the pair TA-insomn much more likely than ash-insomn i want to lynch ash.
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Why is he voting for me? Banking on it being me and Insom?
Whatever. This game is over if we mislynch here.
Mcmc is town, though. Scum mcmc would have 100 posts by now.
Don't worry he will switch to me and get my lynch through.
Eevee, why are you not thinking it's xeiron? Solely on the basis that me and ash came to the same conclusion in voting him?
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Let's break this down.
"I think TA is more likely to be scum than ashersky."
Oh? So we should lynch him then.
"I prefer lynching ashersky."
What?
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Why is he voting for me? Banking on it being me and Insom?
Whatever. This game is over if we mislynch here.
Mcmc is town, though. Scum mcmc would have 100 posts by now.
Wrong. We can afford this mislynch. And one more if and only if Insomniac is scum.
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Galzria is X's partner. Scum cannot survive if we hit the right one of the three. That's three ICs! Galz def saves his partner.
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Xeiron is convinced insom is scum. Why I don't know. There's nothing that points to it. You really think a random d1 lynch would go through that easy on a scum? No way he doesn't fight it!
What is your insom scum read based on? That I defended him?
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Why is he voting for me? Banking on it being me and Insom?
Whatever. This game is over if we mislynch here.
Mcmc is town, though. Scum mcmc would have 100 posts by now.
Wrong. We can afford this mislynch. And one more if and only if Insomniac is scum.
WHY DO YOU WANT A MISLYNCH HERE? BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM.
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Vote Count 2.6:
xeiron (2): Twisted, ashersky
ashersky (1): xeiron
Twisted (2): Eevee, Galzria
Not Voting: (2) Mcmcsalot, Robz888
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is Friday at 7:30pm forum time
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Where the heck are robz and mcmc? Get in here and help us lynch this scum!
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What if Insom was the only real PR, Eevee lied, and Galz is his partner?
One scum in three is an easy way to get mislynches.
(That would suck, but I believe Eevee.)
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Insom claimed vt
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And had a period where it was clear he was dying and didn't claim. No way he's pr, zero
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I think a witch getting to two votes from the other suspects is less likely, so that's why I'm ruling out xeiron. Ashersky resorting to the frustrated selfvote was 100% a fabricated message to me, but I think it's more likely he did it as town because it's bit of a bold move and I think ash would feel good about his chances without resorting to it as scum.
TA's frustration reads like scum caught for wrong reasons.
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What if Insom was the only real PR, Eevee lied, and Galz is his partner?
One scum in three is an easy way to get mislynches.
(That would suck, but I believe Eevee.)
Crazy theories time? I think scum ash did that.
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I think a witch getting to two votes from the other suspects is less likely, so that's why I'm ruling out xeiron. Ashersky resorting to the frustrated selfvote was 100% a fabricated message to me, but I think it's more likely he did it as town because it's bit of a bold move and I think ash would feel good about his chances without resorting to it as scum.
TA's frustration reads like scum caught for wrong reasons.
Or me and ash just had good reads on one another. I'm frustrated because you are putting a bad lynch through and even worse you will learn nothing from it! We are going to be no closer tomorrow unless you all wise up and lynch xeiron.
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Or you are giving scum ashersky a pass on voting for me. How will you read into people's votes when you tell them who to vote for
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Because people can either take or not take my advice. :)
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19 minutes
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Let's break this down.
"I think TA is more likely to be scum than ashersky."
Oh? So we should lynch him then.
"I prefer lynching ashersky."
What?
I will break it down.
Possible scum teams, and my guess at percentages:
TA 60%
---- + insomiac 60%*60% = 36%: can lynch amyone
---- + anyone else 60% * 40% = 24%: should lynch TA to win.
Ash 40%
---- + insomniac 40%* 20% = 8% can lynch anyone
---- + anyone else(prob galzria) 40% * 80% = 32 should lynch Ash to win.
This means I think we need to lynch ash in 32% of the cases, and Ta in 24% in the remaining 44% we have already won.
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Fair enough. I'd like to know why galz is voting for me though.
Xeiron that puts insoms scum chance at 42%. You are basing your whole case on assumptions that you can't prove, unless you are scum then you know the opposite is true!!!
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Fair enough. I'd like to know why galz is voting for me though.
Xeiron that puts insoms scum chance at 42%. You are basing your whole case on assumptions that you can't prove, unless you are scum then you know the opposite is true!!!
Galzria is voting for you because he is scum.
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Fair enough. I'd like to know why galz is voting for me though.
Xeiron that puts insoms scum chance at 42%. You are basing your whole case on assumptions that you can't prove, unless you are scum then you know the opposite is true!!!
Galzria is voting for you because he is scum.
I don't think he'd be that obvious. He'd be in here talking more, I think.
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Fair enough. I'd like to know why galz is voting for me though.
Xeiron that puts insoms scum chance at 42%. You are basing your whole case on assumptions that you can't prove, unless you are scum then you know the opposite is true!!!
I am basing my vote om my reads, yes.
Only unusual thing is that i put numbers to them.
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I think a witch getting to two votes from the other suspects is less likely, so that's why I'm ruling out xeiron. Ashersky resorting to the frustrated selfvote was 100% a fabricated message to me, but I think it's more likely he did it as town because it's bit of a bold move and I think ash would feel good about his chances without resorting to it as scum.
TA's frustration reads like scum caught for wrong reasons.
Self vote was better than a big f*** *** to everyone, which is what I was feeling. I just kept saying CivilityPledgeCivilityPledgeCivilityPledge over and over.
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Fair enough. I'd like to know why galz is voting for me though.
Xeiron that puts insoms scum chance at 42%. You are basing your whole case on assumptions that you can't prove, unless you are scum then you know the opposite is true!!!
Galzria is voting for you because he is scum.
I don't think he'd be that obvious. He'd be in here talking more, I think.
Plant a vote and disappear is a tried and true scum tactic.
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I'm sure one of the lurkers is scum. Robz or Mcmc. Just sitting back letting this mislynch happen, happy to not have to move the bandwagon.
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Like, Robz and Mcmc are both online, AND LETTING THIS HAPPEN. One of them must be scum happy to watch this happen!!
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I think a witch getting to two votes from the other suspects is less likely, so that's why I'm ruling out xeiron. Ashersky resorting to the frustrated selfvote was 100% a fabricated message to me, but I think it's more likely he did it as town because it's bit of a bold move and I think ash would feel good about his chances without resorting to it as scum.
TA's frustration reads like scum caught for wrong reasons.
Self vote was better than a big f*** *** to everyone, which is what I was feeling. I just kept saying CivilityPledgeCivilityPledgeCivilityPledge over and over.
Okay, what made you so upset?
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I think a witch getting to two votes from the other suspects is less likely, so that's why I'm ruling out xeiron. Ashersky resorting to the frustrated selfvote was 100% a fabricated message to me, but I think it's more likely he did it as town because it's bit of a bold move and I think ash would feel good about his chances without resorting to it as scum.
TA's frustration reads like scum caught for wrong reasons.
Self vote was better than a big f*** *** to everyone, which is what I was feeling. I just kept saying CivilityPledgeCivilityPledgeCivilityPledge over and over.
Okay, what made you so upset?
The fact that no one is taking this game seriously? It's the end of the day and we have over 25% of the people who haven't voted, given reads, etc.
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vote Twistedarcherto break the tie.
No lynch is the worst we can do.
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Ahh, I am here rereading. I'm caught up. So the three were TA ash and who?
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Ahh, I am here rereading. I'm caught up. So the three were TA ash and who?
Me
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vote Twistedarcherto break the tie.
No lynch is the worst we can do.
Yep. Sucks going down like this. Eevee, I hope you reconsider. You're leading a bandwagon with at least 1 scum.
Scum reads:
Xeiron and Mcmc/Robz. Don't think that Galz is scum?
Please pretty please lynch Xeiron tomorrow.
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Ahh, I am here rereading. I'm caught up. So the three were TA ash and who?
I'd say save me, but we'd be stuck at 3 vs 3 then. And any lynch is better than a no lynch, even if it's me...
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Vote Count 2.7:
xeiron (2): TwistedArcher, ashersky
TwistedArcher (3): Eevee, Galzria, xeiron
Not Voting: (2) Mcmcsalot, Robz888
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is Friday at 7:30pm forum time
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3 on me, not 2, lio
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Sort of want to ashersky still, but I guess we have to go with this.
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Dangit, it's you or ashersky. I should not get this pass from ash, he is a smart player and I don't know why me lurking like crazy to the point of hurtin town is a town read I care about winning no matter what.
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I'd do Ashersky over myself :/ Sorry ASh, I really think you're town, but I KNOW I'm town.
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Eevee, Mcmc, will you consider Xeiron?
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vote: ashersky self votes anger, stupi town read on me not accepteable
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Please consider Xeiron...not Ash...
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Not xeiron today, no. Too late.
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Vote Count 2.8:
xeiron (2): TwistedArcher, ashersky
TwistedArcher (3): Eevee, Galzria, xeiron
Ashersky (1): Mcmcsalot
Not Voting: (1) Robz888
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is Friday at 7:30pm forum time
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I would vote xeiron over TA, xeiron has made weird analysis about insom being scum(I doubt it) and linking that to TA. But I think if he was scum he would have gone after ash not ta
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It's not. You vote then we're good. Your vote is the only one we need to lynch the scum
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Bye :(
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Eevee says his science tells him that one of TwistedArcher, Xeiron, and Ashersky is a witch. The mob forms around them, examining them for clues. Eevee notices that TwistedArcher has a wart, a sure sign of a witch. Mcmcsalot, TwistedArcher, and ashersky on the other hand notice suspicious noses on others. Galzria reminds them that they put the nose on them themself, and so they happily carry TwistedArcher off to be burned. Right before they reach the pyre, TwistedArcher proclaims, "I'm not a witch!" Xeiron throws him onto the scales, sees that he clearly weighs the same as a duck, therefore floats in water, so must be made of wood, which means that (the mob pauses here to think this through for a minute)... he's a witch! Such reasoning is unprecedented for the villagers, and so xeiron confidently throws TwistedArcher into the flames. Rumor has it that as TwistedArcher fell into the flames he said, "oh, I guess I'm a witch."
Final Vote Count:
xeiron (2): TwistedArcher, Ashersky
Ashersky (1): mcmcsalot
TwistedArcher (3): Eevee, Galzria, Xeiron
Not Voting (1): Robz888
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Because a deadline was reached and TwistedArcher had the most votes, he was lynched without a majority.
TwistedArcher has been lynched. He was a Mafia-Aligned Witch
While the mob was busy burning witches, they didn't notice that Eevee was missing. When they come back from a successful burning, they notice his absence and deduce that he has been turned into a newt.
Eevee, a Town-Aligned Sir Bedevere Witch hunter has been turned into a newt. Sadly, he will never get better.
While triumphant in the previous day, the mob is still not satisfied. They still suspected there is yet another witch lurking in the shadows. They set out to burn him, wherever he is.
Day 3 Start! Thread Unlocked!
Vote Count 3.1:
Not voting (5): Mcmcsalot, Robz888, Galzria, Xeiron, Ashersky
With 5 alive is takes 3 to lynch
Deadline is Sunday at 2:00am forum time. This is subject to change if players wish to change it, as it not convenient.
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Deadline is Sunday at 2:00am forum time. This is subject to change if players wish to change it, as it not convenient.
Please comment on this if it is not a good idea. I am willing to move it to as late as noon on sunday.
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Ta was scum, but not with insomniac... Good thing you did not listen to me.
Anyways we now have two IC and three scum candidates. This should end well.
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Well, I was wrong. Sorry X.
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So, Galz/Robz/mcmc.
What do you think, X?
Also, anyone votes, they are scum.
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Please ignore Eevee's posts. He is a newt. Newts do not talk. His posts have been deleted, and if you saw them, disregard them.
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Deadline is Sunday at 2:00am forum time. This is subject to change if players wish to change it, as it not convenient.
Please comment on this if it is not a good idea. I am willing to move it to as late as noon on sunday.
I'm 14 hour ahead, so that's six am Monday for me. Problem is, Memorial Day. Noon is better, I think.
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My gut reads:
Robz >>> Galz >>> mcmc
I'll reread.
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Robz has 11 posts, 2 were pre-game. All one liners. Claimed VT, thought the hidden flip was cool, had zero reads or suspects.
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Galz has 15 posts, some fun with PM language, deflects away from X, was ultimately correct that when TA and I were voting together it was 1 and 1.
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mcmc has 11 posts, only 5 in game. VT claim, agreed with my plan, doesn't like my town read on him.
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Man, three lurkers for the possible final scum slot. No interactions to look at, really. This sucks.
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X, any thoughts?
3 possible bad guys, start talking.
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im here, I will be posting tons more in the comming time period, had to make dinner ect but should be available soon. Super strong chances to win now, insom was town and ash/xeiron are town so we have 2 chances to lynch out of me/robz/galz so we just have to find one of the two people who are town to pick to the end. Though I guess scumhunting is better and then re analyzing post flip. Robz me and galz should all make a case on which of the other two is the scum, x and ash should refrain from voicing opinions.
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I suggest you reread the whole game knowing who is town.
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Okay reread everything and crap, the whole game has been our three townies and TA. I suspect galz over robz because he has been short and less analytical this game than I am used to him being.
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Okay reread everything and crap, the whole game has been our three townies and TA. I suspect galz over robz because he has been short and less analytical this game than I am used to him being.
It's blitz and I'm busy. That makes me care less. However, if you suspect me, you also suspect that I bussed - which would've truly been a driving factor in TA's lynch. Remember, this is lurker!Galz. I could've said nothing and let Eevee's instruction out there to die.
You also need to believe that I intentionally staged the PM breadcrumb, with the eventual plan of vocally suspecting people who voted me after it on the grounds that I wasn't sure PM's are public... Instead of just having a town PM and not being sure PM's were public.
That's a whole lot of things you need to believe scum!Galz did, vs town!galz just not caring. /shrug. Your choice. Bu
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I'm very sure this is accurate; each player has 15 minutes from this post to correct me.
Vote Count 1.Final:
LYNCHED--Insom (5): Eevee, Galz, xeiron, Robz, Twisted
Galz (1): ashersky
Robz (1): Insom
Not Voting: (1) Mcmcsalot
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is Thursday at 1:30pm forum time
Final Vote Count:
xeiron (2): TwistedArcher, Ashersky
Ashersky (1): mcmcsalot
TwistedArcher (3): Eevee, Galzria, Xeiron
Not Voting (1): Robz888
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Because a deadline was reached and TwistedArcher had the most votes, he was lynched without a majority.
For analysis
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If I understand correctly now, we've got 2 IC's in Ash/Xeiron, correct?
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Correct.
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1 scum in mcmc, Galz, and Robz.
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1 scum in mcmc, Galz, and Robz.
One mislyncch available. So two tries in that three.
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5 players:
2 IC
1 Scum
3 unconfirmed
We have 2 lynches to play with. (If we lynch wrong, it's 3 alive, 1 scum).
Question: Why is mcmc trying to scum hunt? Isn't it more productive that each of Robz/mcmc/myself spend our time arguing why we're each individually town? Like, from my perspective as long as the two lynched are Robz/mcmc, in any order, town wins, right?
Anyway, see:
Okay reread everything and crap, the whole game has been our three townies and TA. I suspect galz over robz because he has been short and less analytical this game than I am used to him being.
It's blitz and I'm busy. That makes me care less. However, if you suspect me, you also suspect that I bussed - which would've truly been a driving factor in TA's lynch. Remember, this is lurker!Galz. I could've said nothing and let Eevee's instruction out there to die.
You also need to believe that I intentionally staged the PM breadcrumb, with the eventual plan of vocally suspecting people who voted me after it on the grounds that I wasn't sure PM's are public... Instead of just having a town PM and not being sure PM's were public.
That's a whole lot of things you need to believe scum!Galz did, vs town!galz just not caring. /shrug. Your choice. Bu
For my thoughts on myself. Take 'em or leave 'em.
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Hmm, cannot tell if that makes him townier or scummier, the im busy and don't care statement reads scummy to me, same as my origional read through galz is coming off like he doesn't care which I don't believe to be true. Though robz not being around to fight TA's lynch makes more sense than galz bussing.
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Hmm, cannot tell if that makes him townier or scummier, the im busy and don't care statement reads scummy to me, same as my origional read through galz is coming off like he doesn't care which I don't believe to be true. Though robz not being around to fight TA's lynch makes more sense than galz bussing.
Who busses with a 2-man team when you know it makes 2 ICs?
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We have all posted around 15 times and said almost nothing your great case for why your town is you don't care...I think it would be more productive for you to say which of me or robz is scum and why, then if we do lynch one of me/robz we have you on record about the other one.
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My math is wrong, but right. It's 6/4, not 5/3. Same principle.
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My math is wrong, but right. It's 6/4, not 5/3. Same principle.
No, it is 5/3. There are 5 alive.
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okay, read robz posts he has said nothing at all Robz >> Galz >> mcmc is my lynch order preferred.
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We have all posted around 15 times and said almost nothing your great case for why your town is you don't care...I think it would be more productive for you to say which of me or robz is scum and why, then if we do lynch one of me/robz we have you on record about the other one.
I've no idea, and with nothing to work with (as you're so quick to point out), that's not likely to change. And quite honestly, I don't care. I care that Ash/Xeiron think I'm town, because if we lynch you and Robz or Robz and you, town wins.
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The three of us could lynch Robz right now.
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We have all posted around 15 times and said almost nothing your great case for why your town is you don't care...I think it would be more productive for you to say which of me or robz is scum and why, then if we do lynch one of me/robz we have you on record about the other one.
I've no idea, and with nothing to work with (as you're so quick to point out), that's not likely to change. And quite honestly, I don't care. I care that Ash/Xeiron think I'm town, because if we lynch you and Robz or Robz and you, town wins.
from your pesrpective but not from ash/x, so I don't want you convincing them your town they have to trust you them, I want you convincing them me or robz is scum so that they can see if they believe you and when your right or wrong can see if you were wrong town or tricky scum.
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Ok mcmc, I think you're scummier than Robz. Robz has nothing for or against him - he would be absent as scum or town. But your instance on "finding scum" and putting real thoughts down is scummy because it's an attempt to set up "well obviously X is just scum who forced the mislynch of Y". You want concrete statements so that you can spin them around later.
On the other hand, I could honestly care less (I think I've said as much, yes?) We lynch you then Robz or Robz then you, it doesn't matter to me. I'm town, and town wins that way. At that point I've no reason to care which order it's done in.
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so we lynch robz and have the remaining ic decide between us if the game is still on? Thats better than deciding between one of us and zero content robz
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so we lynch robz and have the remaining ic decide between us if the game is still on? Thats better than deciding between one of us and zero content robz
I think the IC's should decide. I'll give them my opinion if they ask for it. Otherwise I'll follow them.
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I do believe robz is the right choice, he has a good chance of being scum, wasn't around during TA's lynch and hasn't really done anything. If he's not scum we still have another chance. If we lynch me or galz and we flip town, it is going to be an impossible decision between robz and whose left.
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Waiting for X to weigh in. I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.
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Waiting for X to weigh in. I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.
That's the problem I'm having. I agree, and if I didn't know my own alignment (from your perspective, basically), I would almost feel like the right move is to lynch me+mcmc. But I would hate myself if Robz lurked his way to a win that way.
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Waiting for X to weigh in. I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.
I prefer Robz as well, but there is no hurry.
We should discuss mcmc and Galz so there is more date to take an dicision should we need it.
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Mcmc and Robz didn't vote for TA. That is a point against both.
Mcmc was skeptical of me. That's a point in his favor.
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It's blitz and I'm busy. That makes me care less. However, if you suspect me, you also suspect that I bussed - which would've truly been a driving factor in TA's lynch. Remember, this is lurker!Galz. I could've said nothing and let Eevee's instruction out there to die.
You also need to believe that I intentionally staged the PM breadcrumb, with the eventual plan of vocally suspecting people who voted me after it on the grounds that I wasn't sure PM's are public... Instead of just having a town PM and not being sure PM's were public.
That's a whole lot of things you need to believe scum!Galz did, vs town!galz just not caring. /shrug. Your choice. Bu
I will not give you many town point for this.
You voted TA right after eevee. When eevee targed insomniac the day before everyone sheeped him imeadiatly. At that time you had no reson to believe that TA was not outright doomed, just as Insomniac was. It would be valid for scum! Galzria to bus his partner if he was doomed anyway. Only later did it turn out to be a much more open lynch than D1. It would be a valid action for town! Galzria to sheep eevee as well, of course. null read here.
It is funny that you mentioned the PM-breadcrumb yourself. I did notice it D2, and it made me wonder if this whole episode is just a trick planned from the start of the game to give you towncred.
Here is how it would work:
I've read nothing of the setup.
However.
Points at Eevee
"He's a Witch!"
Vote: Eevee
You start by laying your "trap", taking care to mention you have not read the setup:
I have literally read about 10 words out of each of the last 40 posts. Barely, barely skimmed.
Anyway, good 'ol fashion vanilla mob out to catch some witches.
Keep saying you have not read the thread wery well, witch could explain that you missed the pm's quoted in thread.
Gotta go dark for work (wasn't expecting to start new employment until 1st. They jumped the gun on me).
Vote: Insomniac
That's 3. If ya'll switch and lynch me instead, that's fine. I won't cry too much. But I am as claimed - Vanilla Town.
I actually DO suspect Xeiron, but it's PM related and I'm not sure if PM's are public or not so I don't know if it's a real case or not - and I don't have time to check now nor do I want to break any rules. Suffice to say if I die at some point here and you see my flip, I suspect him most. Ashersky is a close second for the same reason, but gets a pass for all his theory talk.
Gotta run. Have fun!
Points out that you know something pm-related.
Sorry. Was coaching last night and fell in the final inning 15-14. The ump'ing was terrible, and while our team didn't play perfect ball (so I cannot lay the blame directly on the Umps...), they did directly cost us at least 4 runs. I felt like doing nothing else except steaming after last nights game.
Anyway, rant over, what I had on them is nothing. It only mattered if PM's were private, because of the wording used in the PM's, which I more or less copied in my first RVS post of the game:
Points at Eevee
"He's a Witch!"
Vote: Eevee
If the PM's weren't public, anybody with a town PM would've realized this was just following instructions from our own PM. Thus anybody wanting to lynch me would mean they didn't get the "inside" reference. Since PM's are public though, the point is moot.
Here you explain your "trap", but unfortunatly no one was caucht.
What this this post really say though, even if you do not spell it out, is that you must be town as you knew the town PM without reading the front page.
And then you had to point it out to us in fear that we had missed it.
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Mcmc and Robz didn't vote for TA. That is a point against both.
Mcmc was skeptical of me. That's a point in his favor.
It is a point against mcmc.
Robz was not there so no points for choice of target, but major scumpoints for lurking.
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My gut reads:
Robz >>> Galz >>> mcmc
I feel the same at the moment.
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It's blitz and I'm busy. That makes me care less. However, if you suspect me, you also suspect that I bussed - which would've truly been a driving factor in TA's lynch. Remember, this is lurker!Galz. I could've said nothing and let Eevee's instruction out there to die.
You also need to believe that I intentionally staged the PM breadcrumb, with the eventual plan of vocally suspecting people who voted me after it on the grounds that I wasn't sure PM's are public... Instead of just having a town PM and not being sure PM's were public.
That's a whole lot of things you need to believe scum!Galz did, vs town!galz just not caring. /shrug. Your choice. Bu
I will not give you many town point for this.
You voted TA right after eevee. When eevee targed insomniac the day before everyone sheeped him imeadiatly. At that time you had no reson to believe that TA was not outright doomed, just as Insomniac was. It would be valid for scum! Galzria to bus his partner if he was doomed anyway. Only later did it turn out to be a much more open lynch than D1. It would be a valid action for town! Galzria to sheep eevee as well, of course. null read here.
It is funny that you mentioned the PM-breadcrumb yourself. I did notice it D2, and it made me wonder if this whole episode is just a trick planned from the start of the game to give you towncred.
Here is how it would work:
I've read nothing of the setup.
However.
Points at Eevee
"He's a Witch!"
Vote: Eevee
You start by laying your "trap", taking care to mention you have not read the setup:
I have literally read about 10 words out of each of the last 40 posts. Barely, barely skimmed.
Anyway, good 'ol fashion vanilla mob out to catch some witches.
Keep saying you have not read the thread wery well, witch could explain that you missed the pm's quoted in thread.
Gotta go dark for work (wasn't expecting to start new employment until 1st. They jumped the gun on me).
Vote: Insomniac
That's 3. If ya'll switch and lynch me instead, that's fine. I won't cry too much. But I am as claimed - Vanilla Town.
I actually DO suspect Xeiron, but it's PM related and I'm not sure if PM's are public or not so I don't know if it's a real case or not - and I don't have time to check now nor do I want to break any rules. Suffice to say if I die at some point here and you see my flip, I suspect him most. Ashersky is a close second for the same reason, but gets a pass for all his theory talk.
Gotta run. Have fun!
Points out that you know something pm-related.
Sorry. Was coaching last night and fell in the final inning 15-14. The ump'ing was terrible, and while our team didn't play perfect ball (so I cannot lay the blame directly on the Umps...), they did directly cost us at least 4 runs. I felt like doing nothing else except steaming after last nights game.
Anyway, rant over, what I had on them is nothing. It only mattered if PM's were private, because of the wording used in the PM's, which I more or less copied in my first RVS post of the game:
Points at Eevee
"He's a Witch!"
Vote: Eevee
If the PM's weren't public, anybody with a town PM would've realized this was just following instructions from our own PM. Thus anybody wanting to lynch me would mean they didn't get the "inside" reference. Since PM's are public though, the point is moot.
Here you explain your "trap", but unfortunatly no one was caucht.
What this this post really say though, even if you do not spell it out, is that you must be town as you knew the town PM without reading the front page.
And then you had to point it out to us in fear that we had missed it.
You're thinking 1000x harder than I ever did. But your choice. See what you want.
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Here, let me make it easier for you:
vote: Galzria
Hammer it out, will you? That makes your choice between 2 people.
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And before you start going "OMG OBVSCUM SELF VOTE TACTIC" (which you of course will), see this post:
Waiting for X to weigh in. I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.
That's the problem I'm having. I agree, and if I didn't know my own alignment (from your perspective, basically), I would almost feel like the right move is to lynch me+mcmc. But I would hate myself if Robz lurked his way to a win that way.
So lynch me, and then decide if you want to let mcmc win or not. Robz isn't scum though.
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Galz >> robz >> mcmc new order. Because I am pretty sure galz is scum based on his recent posts. So I don't think there will even be a decision to make after this.
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And before you start going "OMG OBVSCUM SELF VOTE TACTIC" (which you of course will), see this post:
Waiting for X to weigh in. I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.
That's the problem I'm having. I agree, and if I didn't know my own alignment (from your perspective, basically), I would almost feel like the right move is to lynch me+mcmc. But I would hate myself if Robz lurked his way to a win that way.
So lynch me, and then decide if you want to let mcmc win or not. Robz isn't scum though.
So thinking I'm scum your best option is to lynch you and make one of ash/x decide who is scum between me and no posts robz. That is a very difficult choice hence why I wanted to vote robz first, but now I think your scum.
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And before you start going "OMG OBVSCUM SELF VOTE TACTIC" (which you of course will), see this post:
Waiting for X to weigh in. I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.
That's the problem I'm having. I agree, and if I didn't know my own alignment (from your perspective, basically), I would almost feel like the right move is to lynch me+mcmc. But I would hate myself if Robz lurked his way to a win that way.
So lynch me, and then decide if you want to let mcmc win or not. Robz isn't scum though.
So thinking I'm scum your best option is to lynch you and make one of ash/x decide who is scum between me and no posts robz. That is a very difficult choice hence why I wanted to vote robz first, but now I think your scum.
Actually it's a very easy choice. Robz isn't scum, you are. And Ashersky knows this. (Or will once I flip):
Waiting for X to weigh in. I prefer Robz at this point, although my gut warns me the final scum would be scrambling to stay alive.
The fact that you're all over this is just further proof that you're scum looking for any way you can to win. Robz doesn't give a fuck. And he's town. You know it, I know it, Ashersky knows it. So there's no reason to lynch him and force them into deciding between two people that are actually here. Lynch me, lynch you - town wins. Good game.
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Ash, listen to me:
Lynch me now, and lynch mcmc tomorrow. If you lynch Robz, you're a fool. He's not scum and we both know it. READ mcmc's posts. Read them from a perspective that he's scum. It's so damn obvious it hurts. The easiest way for me to convince you that I'm town and seeing this (and not scum and claiming this) is to lynch me - and with our mislynch available this is possible. So lynch me, get my flip and lynch mcmc tomorrow.
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Xe, don't vote. Let this play out. I think I know what to do, though.
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Vote Count 3.2:
Galzria (1): Galzria
Not Voting (4): Mcmcsalot, Robz888, Xeiron, Ashersky
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline has been moved to Noon on Sunday for memorial day weekend.
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Yup I'm scum because I came back and care, robz is town because he is not helping at all, ash made that terrible argument in my favor just a bit ago, and it's still a terrible argument. Last blitz game I was town and almost lynched at deadline and I was posting like crazy, both scum were offline. People's availability doesn't = alignment.
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Yup I'm scum because I came back and care, robz is town because he is not helping at all, ash made that terrible argument in my favor just a bit ago, and it's still a terrible argument. Last blitz game I was town and almost lynched at deadline and I was posting like crazy, both scum were offline. People's availability doesn't = alignment.
Nope. But I've never talked about availability. I've talked about participation. But whatever, you're scum, and that's ok. It's ok to say "Hi, my name's mcmc, I'm scum and I have a problem'. Don't worry. We won't make fun of you here.
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Ash, listen to me:
Lynch me now, and lynch mcmc tomorrow. If you lynch Robz, you're a fool. He's not scum and we both know it. READ mcmc's posts. Read them from a perspective that he's scum. It's so damn obvious it hurts. The easiest way for me to convince you that I'm town and seeing this (and not scum and claiming this) is to lynch me - and with our mislynch available this is possible. So lynch me, get my flip and lynch mcmc tomorrow.
Why so sure?
I could see robz as someone who would experiment to find out just how much you could lurk as scum.
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Ash, listen to me:
Lynch me now, and lynch mcmc tomorrow. If you lynch Robz, you're a fool. He's not scum and we both know it. READ mcmc's posts. Read them from a perspective that he's scum. It's so damn obvious it hurts. The easiest way for me to convince you that I'm town and seeing this (and not scum and claiming this) is to lynch me - and with our mislynch available this is possible. So lynch me, get my flip and lynch mcmc tomorrow.
Why so sure?
I could see robz as someone who would experiment to find out just how much you could lurk as scum.
You're treating Robz like he's new. Or like this is his first rodeo. There's no need for him to "experiment" as anything. I've played mafia with him here for over a year. BM. ZM. RMM. Every type under the sun. Robz doesn't need or want to "test" anything. He's mega-lurked as scum. He's mega-lurked as town. Each has their different types of attitude though. This is town!lurk Robz.
Robz town meta aside, this is so blatantly scum!mcmc it hurts. I don't know how anybody would have difficulty seeing it. I mean, I really don't care to die first, just make sure it's not in vain. Lynch mcmc next so town still wins.
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Let this hit deadline, no lynch is worse for town than town lynch, if galz pulls his vote he's scum we no lynch and win tomorrow.
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Let this hit deadline, no lynch is worse for town than town lynch, if galz pulls his vote he's scum we no lynch and win tomorrow.
So why are we wasting time? That's so ridiculous. "Let's just time out, that way Galz is lynched. And if he unvotes himself, lynch him tomorrow!"
.... Dude, freaking lynch me now. Why wait? All you're doing is trying to make yourself sound all nice and townie. "Look what a great townie idea I'm having!". But there's nothing there except a lot of wasted time. I'm not moving my vote, so you might as well save everybody 2 days of sitting on their asses. Lynch me, and then they can lynch you.
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I have to agree that lynching Galzria seems to be the best we can do today.
vote: Galzria
Ash, do you agree with a Galzria lynch?
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Hammer it out Ash. Just don't back off lynching mcmc tomorrow.
Also, remember to ask for a prod of Robz. You'll need his vote to take out mcmc. Xeiron, don't be stupid tomorrow. While I'm addressing Ash, in all likelyhood mcmc has set to kill him already. So you and Robz will be the two town alive. If you listen to mcmc and lynch Robz instead I'll be really pissed off.
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Are you asking for a prod on robz888 now?
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Are you asking for a prod on robz888 now?
No need. I'd rather he be prodded to come back when needed most! Ha! You can, sure.
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For those keeping track at home:
- Galzria cannot be scum, because actively advocating and pushing his own lynch results in his loss if he is. Those who know Galzria know that he always plays to win.
- Robz cannot be scum because ultimate!lurk Robz cannot win as scum. When Robz lurks as scum he's still around often enough to plant his vote. He has to be. Completely absent Robz is town Robz. If it comes down to X/Y/Robz, and he hasn't been around to vote, how can he hope to win? Y can only ever accumulate 1 vote, as can X. Robz is the only viable lynch at that point. Ultimate!Lurk Robz simply cannot win as scum.
- Mcmc is scum. The only thing he's cared about is lining up lynches. At first it was Robz, but then he jumped at the chance to push my self-vote. He knows Robz is town and knows pushing his lynch tomorrow will be easy. Town!mcmc recognizes that Galzria losses playing this way as scum and refuses to support the lynch. Scum!mcmc doesn't care and just wants the free lynch.
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For those keeping track at home:
- Galzria cannot be scum, because actively advocating and pushing his own lynch results in his loss if he is. Those who know Galzria know that he always plays to win.
- Robz cannot be scum because ultimate!lurk Robz cannot win as scum. When Robz lurks as scum he's still around often enough to plant his vote. He has to be. Completely absent Robz is town Robz. If it comes down to X/Y/Robz, and he hasn't been around to vote, how can he hope to win? Y can only ever accumulate 1 vote, as can X. Robz is the only viable lynch at that point. Ultimate!Lurk Robz simply cannot win as scum.
- Mcmc is scum. The only thing he's cared about is lining up lynches. At first it was Robz, but then he jumped at the chance to push my self-vote. He knows Robz is town and knows pushing his lynch tomorrow will be easy. Town!mcmc recognizes that Galzria losses playing this way as scum and refuses to support the lynch. Scum!mcmc doesn't care and just wants the free lynch.
Wrong wrong wrong, I want robz lynched its the smart choice because making a decision between the two people actually posting is a million times easier. Robz could be scum, if he is and he wins it was a great plan. All you are arguing is robz would never carry out that plan as scum, it is a possible thing to do and if he wins its smart. You are the one who did not care about who was lynched, you wanted to do no scum hunting because convincing ash/x you were town was all you needed to do(true if your scum or town) but then you decided I had to be scum ad robz could t be scum so you self vote?(this is where I don't get it, even if town!galz thinks I'm scum why not try to get me lynched. Why not lynch robz and hope you can convince them of my scummyness, why want to lynch you and leave them with a hard decision) So you jumped up in my eyes as the remaining scum. I think your voting yourself is to look townie as you have said and will convince them not to lynch you. If you are town give a better argument then mcmc is obvi scum robz is obvi town the more information the better. Hence why we should be making cases and lynching robz.
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Robz cannot win by not playing. End of story. There's no "it's smart play if he does". He CAN'T. Because once it's down to 3 players neither of the two remaining town can die! Robz ONLY wins by playing.
But it really doesn't matter. You know he's town and will argue anything to get him lynched. Your point is do wrong it's funny though.
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And there's no other argument needed. It's so freaking obvious Robz cannot be scum, no matter what you want to argue. It's impossible for him to win if he's scum and chooses not to play. EVERY other time he's lurked as scum he's had enough awareness to realize he needs to be present to at least vote - and he has. If he doesn't, it is impossible for him to win. Impossible.
Robz is as obvtown as is possible to be. Lynching me makes the decision tomorrow 100x easier, not harder. The only question for the IC's is which between you and I are scum. Once I flip town it's game over, town wins.
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Ok im here, let me catch up. This is a really busy weekend for me, I have my parents in town visiting me and we are seeing the sights. Sorry about that, though, I know I'm probably dooming the town via inaction. Let me read...
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Wow. Interesting game!
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Uh, I do agree that mcmc is probably scum, not Galz.
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Let me show you something...
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Right before that TA lynch, mcmc pops in, and it looks to me like TA is advising him from a scum-scum perspective.
Ahh, I am here rereading. I'm caught up. So the three were TA ash and who?
Ahh, I am here rereading. I'm caught up. So the three were TA ash and who?
I'd say save me, but we'd be stuck at 3 vs 3 then. And any lynch is better than a no lynch, even if it's me...
If mcmc had voted for xeiron, and it was a 3-3 split, would that have been No Lynch? What would have happened there? Because obviously mcmc wants to not have TA lynched if they are scum together. I mean it kind of looks to me like they were trying to work that out--a tad too publicly--what was best and what was even possible.
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WAIT. Can the scum chat privately?
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They can. Hmm.
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Ehhh, I still say it's gotta be mcmc. If it's Galz, I mean, Galz knows he still has to face someone tomorrow. And then, let's say it's me and him, well he's going to say, "No, it can't be me, I was ready to die, I volunteered for lynch!" And I'm going to say, "That was obviously a scum gambit," and the other townies are going to believe me, probably. Therefore, I think it's sincere. Therefore, Vote: mcmcsalot
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Surprise robz is here you mean if he's scum he could win??! vote: robz
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Vote Count 3.3:
Galzria (2): Galzria, Xeiron
Mcmcsalot (1): Robz888
Robz888 (1): Mcmcsalot
Not Voting (1): Ashersky
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is Sunday at noon forum time
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Surprise robz is here you mean if he's scum he could win??! vote: robz
I mean that if he's scum, this tactic is going to open him up to too much criticism tomorrow.
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Surprise robz is here you mean if he's scum he could win??! vote: robz
I mean that if he's scum, this tactic is going to open him up to too much criticism tomorrow.
What? I am saying that galz scum!robz theory holds no water anymore. Scum!robz is here to vote and can win. Galz whole things was if robz isn't here town won't vote for themselves and he can't win. He's here he can win he could be scum we have no clue because he has sai nothing hence him being the best lynch.
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Tomorrow town makes an informed decision on me and galz something that cannot happen if robz is alive.
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If robz is alive tomorrow you make a guess on whether or not he would play a game a scum without posting. I would rather look at ingame things than guess.
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Galz what do you have to say now that robz is back and voting?
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Galz what do you have to say now that robz is back and voting?
That you're still opportunistic scum trying to turn the case to suit you after Robz was prodded to come back.
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vote: mcmc
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If Galz is scum, he deserves the win for his well-played gambit. Plus, we can still lynch him the next day.
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Remember X, one of us dies after this day ends. The other makes the choice. I expect Robz and Galz to vote for each other if one is scum.
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Everyone had taken a stance. They all know who they think the witch is. Curiously, Galzria suspects himself. I'm not sure that he's right in the head.
Vote Count 3.4:
Galzria (2): Galzria, Xeiron
Mcmcsalot (2): Robz888, Ashersky
Robz888 (1): Mcmcsalot
Not voting: (0)
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is Sunday at Noon.
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I'll put my money where my mouth is and hang my head in shame if wrong.
Vote: mcmc
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Is that hammer?
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I think it is
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Yes
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So am I scum?
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I think so, yes.
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Apologies to TA, good job galz, I really thought your plan was going to backfire.
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I toooootaly should not have joined this game, I never talked to my scum partner once and was not here to help him ever, truly feel terrible and it has nothing to do with losing my scum record
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The perfect streak is over!
Good game guys.
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And for he record:
D1 ash comes up with crazy claim plan. Town finally listens. Plan helps town win.
;D
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Pr was terrible sided for town but two scum in 8 was really strong, you know if we had 2 scum playing. Also 30hr deadlines, really lol
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And for he record:
D1 ash comes up with crazy claim plan. Town finally listens. Plan helps town win.
;D
Your plan was not crazy, no kill d1, definitely pr should claim, especially when they are told the power of their partner.
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oh and because pr almost certainly becomes vt by D2
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I would say mvp to ash for judging correctly, galz your plan was good but I think it had a huuuge chance to backfire.
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THREAD LOCKED!
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Galzria came to his senses. He realized that he knows he isn't a witch. And if he isn't a witch, mcmc might be! Into the fire mcmc went. He asks if he is a witch, galzria says yes, and mcmc agrees.
Final Vote Count:
Galzria (1): Xeiron
Mcmcsalot (3): Robz888, Ashersky, Galzria
Robz888 (1): mcmcsalot
With 5 alive it took 3 to lynch
Mcmcsalot has been lynched. He was a Mafia-Aligned Witch
Game Over! The town win!
(Eevee, Robz888, Insomniac, Galzria, Xeiron, and Ashersky)
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I toooootaly should not have joined this game, I never talked to my scum partner once and was not here to help him ever, truly feel terrible and it has nothing to do with losing my scum record
Thing is, I just never honestly felt like you were looking at todays situation through the lens of a townie. The tact you were taking just felt wrong. It was... "let's just get a lynch through then duke it out tomorrow". I dunno. The emphasis just read like your focus was on tomorrow, rather than using the fact that we had two lynches to get it right. It's weird, and I can't really explain it, but the tone came through clearly to me. I had very little doubt by the end.
I would say mvp to ash for judging correctly, galz your plan was good but I think it had a huuuge chance to backfire.
wasn't
I think the thing you need to understand is that it wasn't a gambit in the traditional sense. I wasn't trying to avoid being lynched. It's part of why I knew you were scum. I think it was very obvious that I had 0 issues being the lynch today. If I got hammered I would not have felt I failed. My intention was to draw attention to the fact that you were scum. That was easiest for me to do by being completely willing to die for the cause. I know that you recognized that I was serious. If you were town I just honestly feel that would've given you pause. You would've debated more openly about how stupid I was being. You would've concluded that I was likely town, and thus you would be uncomfortable voting me - not that you wouldn't (I deserved it, which was the point), but you wouldn't have jumped at the chance to lynch me over it. That locked my read on you more than anything. So I don't consider that it could've easily backfired. Dying was a perfectly reasonable and acceptable outcome for me.
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(thread unlocked of course)
mafia Qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/8R2vQDLCfyWf
Mod Qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6tSny7R9Nvg
speccy: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/XvhMYfiK3M2V
Witch hunter: eevee
witches: TA, mcmc
VTs: insomniac, robz, galzria, ashersky, xeiron
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I think most of town played well. TA did well as scum. Lurkers didn't hurt us too much.
Once Galz self-voted, I knew he wasn't scum. I wanted to see Robz post, and nothing changed there. That consistency was either town or the greatest scum performance ever. I went with the more likely.
That left mcmc, who was the only one acting "traditionally" scummy. You were the only one pushing a lynch at all. The no lynch mention was also a flag.
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Congratulations to everyone, and thank you the to mods for posting, sorry for ruining it with my lack of posting. And again, sorry TA I feel so bad, I mean I lost my streak but I ruined any chance you had of getting one and that sucks. Bad partners make being scum zero fun, I promise to do better next time.
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I toooootaly should not have joined this game, I never talked to my scum partner once and was not here to help him ever, truly feel terrible and it has nothing to do with losing my scum record
Thing is, I just never honestly felt like you were looking at todays situation through the lens of a townie. The tact you were taking just felt wrong. It was... "let's just get a lynch through then duke it out tomorrow". I dunno. The emphasis just read like your focus was on tomorrow, rather than using the fact that we had two lynches to get it right. It's weird, and I can't really explain it, but the tone came through clearly to me. I had very little doubt by the end.
I would say mvp to ash for judging correctly, galz your plan was good but I think it had a huuuge chance to backfire.
wasn't
I think the thing you need to understand is that it wasn't a gambit in the traditional sense. I wasn't trying to avoid being lynched. It's part of why I knew you were scum. I think it was very obvious that I had 0 issues being the lynch today. If I got hammered I would not have felt I failed. My intention was to draw attention to the fact that you were scum. That was easiest for me to do by being completely willing to die for the cause. I know that you recognized that I was serious. If you were town I just honestly feel that would've given you pause. You would've debated more openly about how stupid I was being. You would've concluded that I was likely town, and thus you would be uncomfortable voting me - not that you wouldn't (I deserved it, which was the point), but you wouldn't have jumped at the chance to lynch me over it. That locked my read on you more than anything. So I don't consider that it could've easily backfired. Dying was a perfectly reasonable and acceptable outcome for me.
So xieron, would you have lynched me tomorow if galz had died today? I figured I could out play robz
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I take it you would have killed me?
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as soon as ashersky voted for mcmc I knew galzria was going to hammer and win. Mcmc, you probably should have hammered galzria at that point. sure, you're pretty much dead the next day, but you stay alive a little longer.
But really, town had a huge advantage as soon as mcmc claimed VT. In the case of a day 1 massclaim scum had to claim witch hunter. And speaking of massclaim, that was a mistake, but it worked out because mcmc and TA both claimed VT.
mcmc went back and forth between you and xeiron many times. I think his plan was to kill you if he lynches galz, kill xeiron if he lynches robz
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I take it you would have killed me?
I think he would've had to. You were more likely to listen to me based on just my own reads than Xeiron was. Part of having played more games together, I think. X's comment about Robz possibly "experimenting" showed his unfamiliarity with our meta's. (Not a criticism of you Xeiron, by any means. I just think it made mcmc's choice an easy one).
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I take it you would have killed me?
I think he would've had to. You were more likely to listen to me based on just my own reads than Xeiron was. Part of having played more games together, I think. X's comment about Robz possibly "experimenting" showed his unfamiliarity with our meta's. (Not a criticism of you Xeiron, by any means. I just think it made mcmc's choice an easy one).
as soon as ashersky voted for mcmc I knew galzria was going to hammer and win. Mcmc, you probably should have hammered galzria at that point. sure, you're pretty much dead the next day, but you stay alive a little longer.
But really, town had a huge advantage as soon as mcmc claimed VT. In the case of a day 1 massclaim scum had to claim witch hunter. And speaking of massclaim, that was a mistake, but it worked out because mcmc and TA both claimed VT.
mcmc went back and forth between you and xeiron many times. I think his plan was to kill you if he lynches galz, kill xeiron if he lynches robz
My above statement is of course premised by my being lynched. I wasn't really considering Robz lynch, so dunno about the correct move there.
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Congrats town! You guys deserved this one!
Mcmc, no hard feelings :) ultimately we were both unable to survive being 1 of 3 suspected and we needed to do better than that!
Thanks lio and the others for the game.
I really loved the setup. I think pr #2 was a little strong but what can you do. Would like to play this one again
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I'll maintain that power #2 was balanced, and I could explain why. there's a lot of theory about this set-up that was completely un-explored. I can explain everything behind it, but maybe that's not a good idea if this set-up is potentially going to be used again. If it were to be used again, the scum powers do need a couple slight tweaks. I knew this even before the game started, but was too lazy to fix them :P
MVP is tough. I think once TA was lynched it was pretty much over. It was pretty much impossible for mcmc to win at that point. This post: Vote: TwistedArcher and everyone sheep me, this is what we'll do today.
was a game-changer. But galzria was an important part of that wagon too, and basically sealed it for town on day three. I'm a bit interested to hear who other people think deserve it.
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I think eevee deserves it for reading me correctly and forcing through my lynch when everyone else was unsure. But everyone on town played an excellent game!
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Haha, I still haven't read the setup or any PM except the one I was sent. :P
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I think Eevee, ashersky, xeiron, and Galz all played well. But Eevee sealed the deal with that post you quoted, so I would give it to Eevee.
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Nice to win! And I'm glad that for once I read Galz correctly.
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I think Eevee, ashersky, xeiron, and Galz all played well. But Eevee sealed the deal with that post you quoted, so I would give it to Eevee.
That was the turning point. Had we lynch X instead, we could have still won, but it would have been much harder.
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Yay! We won! Good job!
Not that this is particularly impressive but
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It's mcmc, calling it.
I would have gone for mcmc already before galzrias gambit.
This was a fun setup, I agree, but maybe better suited for a slower game? I feel that blitz works best if its just about reading people, no complicated theory involved.
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MVP: Eevee
for pretty much deciding "let's lynch TA today!" His investigation may not have been as successful as it could have been, but it didn't matter because that won the game.
agreed, this would be better as a normal game. I chose blitz because the forum needed a blitz game, not another normal game, and also a set-up of 8 players seemed well-suited for blitz. But yeah, you didn't have time to figure the set-up out. That said, I was surprised at the low level of activity this game. That ended up being really good for town though. mcmc's absence was big reason TA was lynched, and TA, being the most active player, got suspected more for it.
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I'm surprised a scum member didn't fakeclaim Cop. Mcmcsalot was in the perfect spot to do that as scum, so I wonder why he didn't.
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So part of the me not fake claiming thing, is just a comfort thing. I never fake claim and I don't think I ever will(wifom) there may have been a bastard game but thats different. I am not comfortable in my ability to successfully pull off a fake claim and would rather just duke it out against the ic, oh and I had I think literally no time to think about it.
Funny thing, i totally forgot about eevee for mvp because i wasnt around for that at all lol he deserves it!
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as soon as ashersky voted for mcmc I knew galzria was going to hammer and win. Mcmc, you probably should have hammered galzria at that point. sure, you're pretty much dead the next day, but you stay alive a little longer.
But really, town had a huge advantage as soon as mcmc claimed VT. In the case of a day 1 massclaim scum had to claim witch hunter. And speaking of massclaim, that was a mistake, but it worked out because mcmc and TA both claimed VT.
mcmc went back and forth between you and xeiron many times. I think his plan was to kill you if he lynches galz, kill xeiron if he lynches robz
Oh yea, I thought he was getting lynched if you read the scum qt, I totally thought deadline was at 7:30
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I was wrong. I knew Galz was town but would have lynched robz for the absenteeism on day 3. That said I'm glad we got a win there. But I'm terribly dissapointed at how slow this game was. It didn't feel like blitz at all :(