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[liopoil]

Galzria came to his senses. He realized that he knows he isn't a witch. And if he isn't a witch, mcmc might be! Into the fire mcmc went. He asks if he is a witch, galzria says yes, and mcmc agrees.

Final Vote Count:

Galzria (1): Xeiron
Mcmcsalot (3): Robz888, Ashersky, Galzria
Robz888 (1): mcmcsalot

With 5 alive it took 3 to lynch

Mcmcsalot has been lynched. He was a Mafia-Aligned Witch

Game Over! The town win!
(Eevee, Robz888, Insomniac, Galzria, Xeiron, and Ashersky)

[Galzria]

I toooootaly should not have joined this game, I never talked to my scum partner once and was not here to help him ever, truly feel terrible and it has nothing to do with losing my scum record

Thing is, I just never honestly felt like you were looking at todays situation through the lens of a townie. The tact you were taking just felt wrong. It was... "let's just get a lynch through then duke it out tomorrow". I dunno. The emphasis just read like your focus was on tomorrow, rather than using the fact that we had two lynches to get it right. It's weird, and I can't really explain it, but the tone came through clearly to me. I had very little doubt by the end.

I would say mvp to ash for judging correctly, galz your plan was good but I think it had a huuuge chance to backfire.

wasn't

I think the thing you need to understand is that it wasn't a gambit in the traditional sense. I wasn't trying to avoid being lynched. It's part of why I knew you were scum. I think it was very obvious that I had 0 issues being the lynch today. If I got hammered I would not have felt I failed. My intention was to draw attention to the fact that you were scum. That was easiest for me to do by being completely willing to die for the cause. I know that you recognized that I was serious. If you were town I just honestly feel that would've given you pause. You would've debated more openly about how stupid I was being. You would've concluded that I was likely town, and thus you would be uncomfortable voting me - not that you wouldn't (I deserved it, which was the point), but you wouldn't have jumped at the chance to lynch me over it. That locked my read on you more than anything. So I don't consider that it could've easily backfired. Dying was a perfectly reasonable and acceptable outcome for me.

[liopoil]

(thread unlocked of course)

mafia Qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/8R2vQDLCfyWf
Mod Qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6tSny7R9Nvg
speccy: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/XvhMYfiK3M2V

Witch hunter: eevee
witches: TA, mcmc
VTs: insomniac, robz, galzria, ashersky, xeiron

[ashersky]

I think most of town played well.  TA did well as scum.  Lurkers didn't hurt us too much.

Once Galz self-voted, I knew he wasn't scum.  I wanted to see Robz post, and nothing changed there.  That consistency was either town or the greatest scum performance ever.  I went with the more likely.

That left mcmc, who was the only one acting "traditionally" scummy.  You were the only one pushing a lynch at all.  The no lynch mention was also a flag.

[mcmcsalot]

Congratulations to everyone, and thank you the to mods for posting, sorry for ruining it with my lack of posting. And again, sorry TA I feel so bad, I mean I lost my streak but I ruined any chance you had of getting one and that sucks. Bad partners make being scum zero fun, I promise to do better next time.

[mcmcsalot]

I toooootaly should not have joined this game, I never talked to my scum partner once and was not here to help him ever, truly feel terrible and it has nothing to do with losing my scum record

Thing is, I just never honestly felt like you were looking at todays situation through the lens of a townie. The tact you were taking just felt wrong. It was... "let's just get a lynch through then duke it out tomorrow". I dunno. The emphasis just read like your focus was on tomorrow, rather than using the fact that we had two lynches to get it right. It's weird, and I can't really explain it, but the tone came through clearly to me. I had very little doubt by the end.

I would say mvp to ash for judging correctly, galz your plan was good but I think it had a huuuge chance to backfire.

wasn't

I think the thing you need to understand is that it wasn't a gambit in the traditional sense. I wasn't trying to avoid being lynched. It's part of why I knew you were scum. I think it was very obvious that I had 0 issues being the lynch today. If I got hammered I would not have felt I failed. My intention was to draw attention to the fact that you were scum. That was easiest for me to do by being completely willing to die for the cause. I know that you recognized that I was serious. If you were town I just honestly feel that would've given you pause. You would've debated more openly about how stupid I was being. You would've concluded that I was likely town, and thus you would be uncomfortable voting me - not that you wouldn't (I deserved it, which was the point), but you wouldn't have jumped at the chance to lynch me over it. That locked my read on you more than anything. So I don't consider that it could've easily backfired. Dying was a perfectly reasonable and acceptable outcome for me.

So xieron, would you have lynched me tomorow if galz had died today? I figured I could out play robz

[ashersky]

I take it you would have killed me?

[liopoil]

as soon as ashersky voted for mcmc I knew galzria was going to hammer and win. Mcmc, you probably should have hammered galzria at that point. sure, you're pretty much dead the next day, but you stay alive a little longer.

But really, town had a huge advantage as soon as mcmc claimed VT. In the case of a day 1 massclaim scum had to claim witch hunter. And speaking of massclaim, that was a mistake, but it worked out because mcmc and TA both claimed VT.

mcmc went back and forth between you and xeiron many times. I think his plan was to kill you if he lynches galz, kill xeiron if he lynches  robz

[Galzria]

I take it you would have killed me?

I think he would've had to. You were more likely to listen to me based on just my own reads than Xeiron was. Part of having played more games together, I think. X's comment about Robz possibly "experimenting" showed his unfamiliarity with our meta's. (Not a criticism of you Xeiron, by any means. I just think it made mcmc's choice an easy one).

[Galzria]

I take it you would have killed me?

I think he would've had to. You were more likely to listen to me based on just my own reads than Xeiron was. Part of having played more games together, I think. X's comment about Robz possibly "experimenting" showed his unfamiliarity with our meta's. (Not a criticism of you Xeiron, by any means. I just think it made mcmc's choice an easy one).

as soon as ashersky voted for mcmc I knew galzria was going to hammer and win. Mcmc, you probably should have hammered galzria at that point. sure, you're pretty much dead the next day, but you stay alive a little longer.

But really, town had a huge advantage as soon as mcmc claimed VT. In the case of a day 1 massclaim scum had to claim witch hunter. And speaking of massclaim, that was a mistake, but it worked out because mcmc and TA both claimed VT.

mcmc went back and forth between you and xeiron many times. I think his plan was to kill you if he lynches galz, kill xeiron if he lynches  robz

My above statement is of course premised by my being lynched. I wasn't really considering Robz lynch, so dunno about the correct move there.

[Twistedarcher]

Congrats town! You guys deserved this one!

Mcmc, no hard feelings ultimately we were both unable to survive being 1 of 3 suspected and we needed to do better than that!

Thanks lio and the others for the game.

I really loved the setup. I think pr #2 was a little strong but what can you do. Would like to play this one again

[liopoil]

I'll maintain that power #2 was balanced, and I could explain why. there's a lot of theory about this set-up that was completely un-explored. I can explain everything behind it, but maybe that's not a good idea if this set-up is potentially going to be used again. If it were to be used again, the scum powers do need a couple slight tweaks. I knew this even before the game started, but was too lazy to fix them

MVP is tough. I think once TA was lynched it was pretty much over. It was pretty much impossible for mcmc to win at that point. This post:

Vote: TwistedArcher and everyone sheep me, this is what we'll do today.

was a game-changer. But galzria was an important part of that wagon too, and basically sealed it for town on day three. I'm a bit interested to hear who other people think deserve it.

[Twistedarcher]

I think eevee deserves it for reading me correctly and forcing through my lynch when everyone else was unsure. But everyone on town played an excellent game!

[Galzria]

Haha, I still haven't read the setup or any PM except the one I was sent.

[Robz888]

I think Eevee, ashersky, xeiron, and Galz all played well. But Eevee sealed the deal with that post you quoted, so I would give it to Eevee.

[Robz888]

Nice to win! And I'm glad that for once I read Galz correctly.

[ashersky]

I think Eevee, ashersky, xeiron, and Galz all played well. But Eevee sealed the deal with that post you quoted, so I would give it to Eevee.

That was the turning point.  Had we lynch X instead, we could have still won, but it would have been much harder.

[Eevee]

Yay! We won! Good job!

Not that this is particularly impressive but
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05-24-2013
08:45 PM ET (US)
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It's mcmc, calling it.

I would have gone for mcmc already before galzrias gambit.

This was a fun setup, I agree, but maybe better suited for a slower game? I feel that blitz works best if its just about reading people, no complicated theory involved.

[liopoil]

MVP: Eevee

for pretty much deciding "let's lynch TA today!" His investigation may not have been as successful as it could have been, but it didn't matter because that won the game.

agreed, this would be better as a normal game. I chose blitz because the forum needed a blitz game, not another normal game, and also a set-up of 8 players seemed well-suited for blitz. But yeah, you didn't have time to figure the set-up out. That said, I was surprised at the low level of activity this game. That ended up being really good for town though. mcmc's absence was big reason TA was lynched, and TA, being the most active player, got suspected more for it.

[Archetype]

I'm surprised a scum member didn't fakeclaim Cop. Mcmcsalot was in the perfect spot to do that as scum, so I wonder why he didn't.

[mcmcsalot]

So part of the me not fake claiming thing, is just a comfort thing. I never fake claim and I don't think I ever will(wifom) there may have been a bastard game but thats different. I am not comfortable in my ability to successfully pull off a fake claim and would rather just duke it out against the ic, oh and I had I think literally no time to think about it.

Funny thing, i totally forgot about eevee for mvp because i wasnt around for that at all lol he deserves it!

[mcmcsalot]

as soon as ashersky voted for mcmc I knew galzria was going to hammer and win. Mcmc, you probably should have hammered galzria at that point. sure, you're pretty much dead the next day, but you stay alive a little longer.

But really, town had a huge advantage as soon as mcmc claimed VT. In the case of a day 1 massclaim scum had to claim witch hunter. And speaking of massclaim, that was a mistake, but it worked out because mcmc and TA both claimed VT.

mcmc went back and forth between you and xeiron many times. I think his plan was to kill you if he lynches galz, kill xeiron if he lynches  robz

Oh yea, I thought he was getting lynched if you read the scum qt, I totally thought deadline was at 7:30

[Insomniac]

I was wrong. I knew Galz was town but would have lynched robz for the absenteeism on day 3. That said I'm glad we got a win there. But I'm terribly dissapointed at how slow this game was. It didn't feel like blitz at all